Bernice Moore

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Hi Jack: Here's the photo..... B...

Alan : You got it .... Ron, fellas, here it is...... ""At the afternoon reception a crowd of nearly 2000 jammed the Chrystal Ballroom of the Ba ? Hotel to hear Vice President Johnson lash out at vociferous critics of the government. Before shaking hands for nearly an hour, the vice president said he had not come to "say something ugly" about anyone. " My heart is not filled with fear or hate or hyprocisy" he said. SCORES DETRACTORS "I see some people that are filled with hate and fear and hypocrisy and I say "God, forgive them" he said to cheers from the Democrats assembled. "I sympathize with these few who are in the minority, if they think this country is in as bad shape as they say it is, if they think our government is stupid and disloyal well, I wonder why they agree to stay here anyway ?" he said. He said " the President of the United States is like the a pilot and the election is when the nation picks an airplane and a pilot for the next four years.. COMMON DANGER "Once you pick him and you're flying across the water in bad weather, don't go up and open the door and try to knock him in the head. He's the only pilot you have and if the plane goes down, you go with it." "At least wait (until ?)( the election?) at November before you shoot him down".. The vice president said he had supported President Eisenhower............"" B.......

Hi Jack: Your photo.... B..

Craig & Bill....... What I do see, is that you are both still, trying to think for Mary and arrange her words to suit your purposes....... cest le vie.... B...

Either Mary was wrong in her recollection... or The Moorman, Altens, Muchmore and Zapruder films were altered to move her OUT of the street. I have it figured out...do you? ****************************** Why is it, that people who were not there, continually try to put Their words into the mouths of the witnesses......And continually, try to say what they meant...?? It doesn't work that way.... These people were, intelligent, they were there, they had seen what had occurred, the researchers had not, anyone who does such, and it is continually done by some....is for their own reasons .. Mary stated what she did on Nov. 22/63..at approx 3.30 pm.....and she repeated it, in 1997... That should tell the researchers I would think something??? They were her words..you cannot change them.. Simply because they do not fit in with whomever's theory, or scenario.....does not give the researchers who try to do so, that right....... why is it that some of those researchers will believe some of the witnesses verbatum when they do fit their theory,.......... but will not accept other witnesses statements, when they do not, that is a double standard... Mary stated what she did, no one can change her words, they were and are Hers.... Deal with them, not what anyone supposes.... Deal with the documentation and evidence we have, do not try to change it.......IMO... 11-22-63, from KRLD Radio tape reels.The reel was an interview by Jay Hogan of Mary Moorman and Jean Hill at 3:30 pm...on KRLD RADIO excerpts, Tape 5B and 6A at NARA. Excerpts HOGAN: Q: Hello, Mrs. Moorman? A: Yes. Q You took the picture just after the shootong ,or just before? A: Evidently, just immediately, as the....Cause, he was looking, you know whenever I got the camera focused and I snapped it in my picture, he slumped over. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q:About how close were you ? (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: 10 or fifteen foot, I, no more. . . Because I fell behind my camera. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: Were you up on that grassy bank there? A: We stepped out in the street. WE WERE RIGHT AT THE CAR. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: How many shots did you hear? You say "shots rang out". A: Oh, oh, I don't know. I think three or four is what I, I uh, that I heard. Q: Uh huh. A: (continuing) that I'm sure of. Now, I don't know, there might have been more. It just took seconds for me to realize what was happening. Q: Yeah, uh, what as your first thought? A: That those ARE shots. I mean, he had been HIT. And that they're liable to hit me, cause I'm right at the car. so I decided the place for me is to get on the ground (laughs). Q: So huh, how did the president respond to this shot. I mean, did he just slump suddenly? A: He grabbed his chest, and of course, Mrs. Kennedy jumped up immediately, and fell over him; and she said: "My God, he's been shot." Q: Did you notice any other reactions... (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: Uh, they hesitated just for a moment [referring, I believe, to the car itself, rather than to the behavior of any particular individual--dsl] cause I think they were like I was, you know--'Was that a shot," or was it just a backfire, or just what? And then, course, he clutched himself and they immediately sped up, real fast, you know, like--to get OUT of there. And, uh, the police, there were several motorcycles around him; and, uh, they stopped, and uh--one or two must of went with him, And one ran up the hill, and a friend that was with me ran up the hill across the street from where the shots came from. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: It (shots) seemed fairly close by? A: Yes, uh huh. Q And from what direction did they seem to be? A: Oh, Lord? North. Just back there (at--laughs) Q: Just just right at you? A: Yes, sir. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: The sound popped, well it just sounded like, well, you know, there might have been a firecracker right there in that car. Q: And in your picture, uh, you took this picture just BEFORE the shot? (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A:Evidently, at the minute ( means "instant" that he, that hit him because, uh we was ,we was looking, at me,or I mean, he was looking, you know at the people when my picture came out. They just slumped over, so I must have got it.... (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: Yes, uh huh. You could see he's clutched, he's bent over, and she's... and she hadn't even gotten up in my picture, and she DID get up, STOOD UP, in the car. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: Uh huh. And you and your friend Miss Hill, uh, were together there at the scene. Was anybody else with you? A No, uh uh. Q: OK, well we sure thank you. FROM HERE ON OUT, the interview continues with Jean Hill This was posted here on the EF by Jack White from David Lifton Feb.07... ******************************* I found this partial copy of an interview of Mary Moorman, in a search a couple of years back.... Mary stated she WAS in the street again, when she took her polaroid.....in 1997..... While being interviewed by KRLD ....The interview was originally, and kindly provided by Debra Conway..... Moorman: "UH, just immediately before the presidential car came into view, we were, you know, there was just tremendous excitement. And my friend who was with me ( Jean Hill ) we were right ready to take the picture. And she's not timid. She, as the car approached us, she did hollar for the president . " Mr.President, look this way ! AND I'D STEPPED OUT OFF THE CURB INTO THE STREET TO TAKE THE PICTURE. AND SNAPPED IT IMMEDIATELY .And that evidently was the first shot .You know I could hear the sound.And. Jones: "Now, when you heard the sound, did you immediately think 'rifle shot'..?" Moorman: "Oh no. A firecracker, maybe. There was another one just immediately following which I still thought was a firecracker. And then I stepped back up on to the grassy area. I guess just, people were falling around us, you know. Knowing something was wrong . I cetainly didn't know what was wrong. " ********************************** Mary took ONE polaroid Photo of the President, and ONE of the motorcyle cop...earlier..... Only ONE of the PRESIDENT.........and in that photo, he was taking a shot to the head...she did Not take any photo of him approaching her, ....so how anyone can possibly try to make it out that what she took, was as they turned the corner, has anything to do with an earlier one that she took of the Motorcycle Policeman... Simply does not and cannot gel...Deal with what Mary says, that day, not what you want to think she says..... B.....

Sorry Jack I got them in the wrong order... B...

Photo from Jack..... B.....

Quote Craig Lamson: "Really??? Please explain how short Mary, standing off the curb and in the guttter has her lens OVER the top of the windshield of the closest motorcycle, which IIRC was 54 inches tall?????? Wanna try again?"" You figure it out, your the one objecting......To Mary's information. If you do not believe the witnesses who were there, and their almost immediate interviews, while you and the rest of us were not... ....That, is entirely up to you.. B.. ********************** Chris: This photo below is from Jack....... B.......

Photo below from Jack......... Statement from Mary Moorman...... Yesterday while reviewing some transcribed old notes taken many years ago at the National Archives, David Lifton came across a long forgotten information of the mother lode variety. He was transcribing by hand, listening with earphones to audio tapes made on the afternoon of 11-22-63, from KRLD Radio tape reels. The reel was an interview by Jay Hogan of Mary Moorman and Jean Hill at 3:30 pm...on KRLD RADIO excerpts, Tape 5B and 6A at NARA. I am excerpting from the lengthy transcript several relevant parts of the interviews. Decide for yourself the importance of this first day evidence: HOGAN: Q: Hello, Mrs. Moorman? A: Yes. Q You took the picture just after the shooting, or just before? A: Evidently, just immediately, as the. . . Cause he was, he was looking, you know, whenever I got the camera focused and then I snapped it in my picture, he slumped over. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: About how close were you? (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: 10 or fifteen foot, I, no more . . . Because I fall behind my camera. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: Were you up on that grassy bank there? A: We stepped out in the street. We were right at the car. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: How many shots did you hear? You say "shots rang out". A: Oh, oh, I don't know. I think three or four is what I, I uh, that I heard. Q: Uh huh. A: (continuing) that I'm sure of. Now, I don't know, there might have been more. It just took seconds for me to realize what was happening. Q: Yeah, uh, what as your first thought? A: That those ARE shots. I mean, he had been HIT. And that they're liable to hit me, cause I'm right at the car. so I decided the place for me is to get on the ground (laughs) Q: So huh, how did the president respond to this shot. I mean, did he just slump suddenly? A: He grabbed his chest, and of course, Mrs. Kennedy jumped up immediately, and fell over him; and she said: "My God, he's been shot." Q: Did you notice any other reactions... (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: Uh, they hesitated just for a moment [referring, I believe, to the car itself, rather than to the behavior of any particular individual--dsl] cause I think they were like I was, you know--'Was that a shot," or was itj ust a backfire, or just what? And then, course, he clutched himself and they immediately sped up, real fast, you know, like--to get OUT of there. And, uh, the police, there were several motorcycles around him; and, uh, they stopped, and uh--one or two must of went with him, And one ran up the hill, and a friend that was with me ran up the hill across the street from where the shots came from. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: It (shots) seemed fairly close by? A: Yes, uh huh. Q And form what direction did they seem to be? A: Oh, Lord? North Just back there (at--laughs) Q: Just just right at you? A: Yes, sir. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: The sound popped, well it just sounded like, well, you know, there might have been a firecracker right there in that car. Q: And in your picture, uh, you took this picture just BEFORE the shot? (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: Evidenty, at the minute ( means "instant" that he, that it hit him because,uh, we was we was looking, at me, or I mean, he was looking, you know at the people when my picture came out. They just slumped over, so I must have got it. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) A: Yes, uh huh. You could see he's clutched, he's bent over, and she's... and she hadn't even gotten up in my picture, and she DID get up, STOOD UP, in the car. (DELETED FOR BREVITY) Q: Uh huh. And you and your friend Miss Hill, uh, were together there at the scene. Was anybody else with you? A No, uh uh. Q: OK, well we sure thank you. FROM HERE ON OUT, the interview continues with Jean Hill This was posted here on the EF by Jack White from David Lifton Feb.07... ******************************* I found this partial copy of an interview of Mary Moorman, in a search a couple of years back.... Mary stated she WAS in the street again, when she took her polaroid....in 1997...... While being interviewed by KRLD ....The interview was originally, and kindly provided by Debra Conway..... Moorman: " UH, just immediately before the presidential car came into view, we were, you know, there was just tremendous excitement. And my friend who was with me ( Jean Hill ) we were right ready to take the picture. And she's not timid. She, as the car approached us, she did hollar for the president . " Mr.President, look this way ! AND I'D STEPPED OUT OFF THE CURB INTO THE STREET TO TAKE THE PICTURE. AND SNAPPED IT IMMEDIATELY .And that evidently was the first shot .You know I could hear the sound.And. Jones: "Now, when you heard the sound, did you immediately think 'rifle shot'..?" Moorman: "Oh no. A firecracker, maybe. There was another one just immediately following which I still thought was a firecracker. And then I stepped back up on to the grassy area. I guess just, people were falling around us, you know. Knowing something was wrong . I cetainly didn't know what was wrong. " B.........

Chris...I have just done the comparison I had in mind. IT PROVES THAT MOORMAN WAS STANDING IN THE STREET! I will ask Bernice to post it here. Thanks. Jack ********************** Here you go Jack... Best B...

In Hollands recall on the uTube he states that the smoke drifted out from those two trees..after mentioning where the shot that he heard , came from, in that specific area.. From his testimony... Mr. MORRISON - That is Elm Street. It would be behind the fence, wouldn't it? Mr. HOLLAND - Well, I have got the fence running up here, and this car would be back in there [indicating]. This is the trees out here, which would--and that is approximately the same location as---the car and the trees that I saw the smoke would probably be the same location. snip Mr. HOLLAND - It was muddy, and you could have if you could have counted them, I imagine it would have been a hundred tracks just in that one location. It was just---- Mr. STERN - And then you saw some mud on the bumper? Mr. HOLLAND - Mud on the bumper in two spots. Mr. STERN - As if someone had cleaned his foot, or--- Mr. HOLLAND - Well, as if someone had cleaned their foot, or stood up on the bumper to see over the fence. Mr. STERN - I see. snip Mr. STERN - And did you notice anything about this station wagon? Mr. HOLLAND - I was in front of the cars, then I went in front of the cars. Mr. STERN - In front of the cars--- Mr. HOLLAND - The cars they were parked pretty close to the fence, and I came up in front of the cars and got over to the fence and then walked back down looking around, just like the rest of them. Mr. STERN - And that was later you came behind the station wagon? Mr. HOLLAND - Oh, maybe 3 or 4 minutes after I got up there, and 3 or 4 minutes after I got up to the end of the fence. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/holland.htm Below is Sam on the overpass, taken I believe in 1967.....He had a seemingly clear veiw of the fence area, and all....and perhaps even somewhat better of the fence that day, Nov.22..63...as the trees and all had four more years of growth on them....when this was taken... B......

Bernice, you didn't mention another very real possibility, and that is that some people look at the same information and just simply reach different conclusions. I realize this is very frustrating, it makes some people appear crazy in response, especially on internet forums, but it is a reality nevertheless. Just to give you one well-known, well-trodden example, look at the three tramps' arrest. Some people absolutely, positively, without any fear of contradiction, know that Howard Hunt was one of them! But wait! Others are totally, soul-jarringly convinced it's Chauncey Holt! How can it be? Is someone lying? Taking an alternate position to spread disinformation? Employing a distraction technique? Is it, as you suggest, an instance of someone not having the capability to think for themselves? Or having a go-along, get-along mentality? I think not. It's just a simple human behavior in all its glory. In any event, CTs certainly won't win any converts by suggesting that those who believe differently are mentally challenged, constitutionally incapable or even criminally liable. *************** Hi Mark: Well that, as I stated was and is my opinion, and all have the right to theirs also.... I do think that positive documented evidence, such as autopsy photos, etc, and such is quite different from viewing a photo, and giving an opinion. .......but to each their own. With those who are being handled, the capability of being able to think for themselves mentally has been taken away, as they have a job to do..and those that do not spend the time within the research and therefore do not know enough, and do go along to get along, ......well that is their responsibilty, not anyone elses. It is out there... Quote :""In any event, CTs certainly won't win any converts by suggesting that those who believe differently are mentally challenged, constitutionally incapable or even criminally liable."" I did not suggest anyone was "" mentally challenged, constitutionally incapable or criminally liable,"" those are your words, Wow, glad they are not mine....and as far as converts, I am not in that business, I just try to get the information out there.....I would hope that people would think for themselves and not be manipulated...but... Thanks for your opinion, carry on as they say..... B...

IMO...... I have read in Bugliosi's.."Reclaiming History ".....3 pages on the subject of L.C.D.R William Pitzer and Dennis David... ...He has not, will not mention the name Alan Eaglesham, the one man, the one site on the web, who has all the latest up to date informative, research ...re William Pitzer .......amazing ....not..... .....The same old, go around to get along....LNr, preaching the Gov. cover-up of never having included, near what has been uncovered, and is available......Only and specifically, what leads people to believe that the conpiracy researchers are in error.. again and again throughout his tome. As has been proven repeatedly ......by the Minion LN'rs..on the web.....who have either fallen for, through no fault of their own except in not having the capability of perhaps thinking for themselves, or with the same old mentality of going along to get along, appears again and again....Or in some cases are employed by said government, and or are paid off in some way, by those who do work for such, and are manipulated.....and therefore the pretense of not knowing of what they speak..continues.... .......He, Bugliosi appears that he is now just like all the rest of them, a Government controlled hireling, pretending to be one of those "know nothing".....minions... The cover-up distortion, manipulation, the lies by the continuing omissions continues.....but as we all must keep in mind...when On Nov.24th, 1963, nearly 44 years ago...when Deptuy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach, in a memo stated... ""It is importabt that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy's Assassination be made public "In a Way" that will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement to this effect be made now: That he did not have confederates who are still at large: and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at a trial. Speculation Must Be Cut Off......."" Bugliosi on Pitzer by Allan Eaglesham What words best describe Vincent Bugliosi’s coverage of the death of LCDR William B. Pitzer on pages 560–563 of the endnotes for Reclaiming History? Unscholarly, inaccurate, incomplete, shoddy, biased… Instead of discussing the salient features of the case, Bugliosi attacks the veracity of the “messenger,” Dennis David, who stated in a Waukegan, Illinois, News-Sun article in 1975 that he believed that Pitzer had been murdered in October 1966, possibly because of what he (WBP) knew of President Kennedy’s wounds. The lawyer impugns Dennis David’s honesty on the grounds that authors Harrison Livingston and Robert Groden stated that David claimed to have been present at the autopsy on President Kennedy’s body (whereas his name is absent from the HSCA list of those present). Here are the quotes from Livingstone and Groden [1]. "Dennis David, a medical corpsman present at the autopsy, was…" "Dennis David, a witness at the autopsy, said…" http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Bugliosi/ B.......

""The fence slats were 3.5 inches in width according to Groden. The fence has been replaced several times over since the assassination and the newer slats are not the same. The average human face is between 8 to 10 inches in width. Gary Mack did a study on the fence in the late 90's. Gary wrote: " .... from research I did in 1995 and 1997. The knoll stockade fence slats were 3" wide. The metal support posts were 80-84 inches apart on the parking lot side, but most were 81" apart. I did not make notes about specific distances for each post and all the posts have since been replaced in slightly different location. Initially, when the fence was installed a few years before the assassination, it was built with Michigan White Cedar wood, which was purchased in Dallas at Sears."" Bill: Could I ask you a couple of questions.. Gary says the metal support posts poles were approx 8o to 84 inches or so apart..most being 81inches. In the photos I am enclosing below, Sam and Mark Lane are seen somewhere approximately where Sam the smoke that day.... drift out from the fence.. from the other side of Elm St. This would be in the area of approximately the third from the corner upright fence post....and would be approx.in the range of 23 to 25 feet from the corner of the fence.... In the photo of Sam approaching the gas pipe......In this we see, what appears to be the fence metal poles upright standing out as you peer down the fence line....each being approx 81 inches or so apart... The third photo approximately where he and Mark Lane stood looking out towards the original lamp post, and sign. Correct.?...Thanks for a reply... B...

Jack: Here is the next one... Best B..

Hi Jack: Some photo.... B...

***************** Hi Jack: Here you go..... Take care.........B

************** Thanks John: The 40th anniversary, when at least a thousand attended the knoll..and more over the complete week-end.. However the newspapers, reported a few hundred if any at all.... Same old...with the media... Much appreciation for all the work you and all do in regard to the videos, they are of great value to all.. B...

Well said, David....... B..

Bernice, These are for you!!!! Thanks!!! Kathy ***** Wasn't looking for anything let alone flowers, but thank you......... .....Just reaching for a little thought provoking common sense....more than one way to look at any subject... Thanks B...

Hi All: Agreed on no censorship.......then on the other hand, the Mods will be damned if they do, and damned if they don't.....Which has already occurred.....terrible job being a Mod.. one of the most unthankful......The members on any Forum, who take such responsibility are far and few.....So give them a break also.. What I have seen so far has been well thought out, imo......before any action has been taken, and also the final decision is always left to the Administration... What if, the offending post was deleted, if not relevant or was simply a bitchy type or personal attack type post....?? and not subject related in any way.....just a thought....but then there are those who will also say that is history also, so it is between a rock and a hard place.... Thanks B......

************ Kathy: FYI........ The only distributor of Harvey & Lee, is Shelby DellaRosa, exclusively.....it comes with a CD... The book has nothing to do with the JFKresearch Forum nor it's administration..... Andy at Last Hurrah does not carry the book..... B......... Bernice, I just learned that. I have the original manuscript, as I offered to proofread it. I meant well. And although you wear a halo around you but are always cutting into me, you don't know anything that transpired between me and him. And when you send him posts I made on this Forum, I believe that's illegal on this Forum. You're not supposed to take a post from here and post it on another Forum or send it to another Admin. I will complain to one of the moderators. You can be sure of that. Kathy ************** Excuse me Kathy: That information that I have posted, about the H & L book, has been well known for years by members on the JFKresearch F, it is far from unknown.. If that is what you call, giving the correct info out on this board about said book, cutting into you.......so be it in your imagination.. I have no idea, about your insinuations, nor what transpired, and that is the way I choose to keep it.. B....... I heard from the man whose name I'm not supposed to mention here. He had the entire post I made about Harvey and Lee and was very angry. And basically, I'm accusing you of meddling into my business and giving him that post. You're one of his spies. Or should I say Chief Informant? Kathy ******************************* Kathy: I have no idea what your problem is, and that is your personal business......but apparently you have one. You give me way too much credit in knowing what I do not... I have read your post above and you have made some unfounded personal accusations towards me, which is against this forums rules... There are many members who belong to many forums, registered here, as well as to the one I believe you are referring to.... I suggest you start a personal inquiry, of each......to get to the bottom of this, and see if and how many may have sent whatever, and that should include yourself..... You may have sent such yourself, seeing how you feel about, whom you call ""the man whose name I'm not supposed to mention here""........simply because I nor anyone else do not know that you did not, to stir the xxxxe storm..for your apparent personal reasons....and no ....you shall not be using me in the middle, to keep anything going. I have nothing futher to say to you, on this subject as it is non existant, as far as I am concerned, as I have had little to say in replys in the past to you, and you have shown once again the exact reason why.. Continue if you must..wasting resources... B.......

************ Kathy: FYI........ The only distributor of Harvey & Lee, is Shelby DellaRosa, exclusively.....it comes with a CD... The book has nothing to do with the JFKresearch Forum nor it's administration..... Andy at Last Hurrah does not carry the book..... B......... Bernice, I just learned that. I have the original manuscript, as I offered to proofread it. I meant well. And although you wear a halo around you but are always cutting into me, you don't know anything that transpired between me and him. And when you send him posts I made on this Forum, I believe that's illegal on this Forum. You're not supposed to take a post from here and post it on another Forum or send it to another Admin. I will complain to one of the moderators. You can be sure of that. Kathy ************** Excuse me Kathy: That information that I have posted, about the H & L book, has been well known for years by members on the JFKresearch F, it is far from unknown.. If that is what you call, giving the correct info out on this board about said book, cutting into you.......so be it in your imagination.. I have no idea, about your insinuations, nor what transpired, and that is the way I choose to keep it.. B.......