Bernice Moore

In the Bronson slide (above), I've been wondering recently who the two women in black dresses are who are located to the left (east) of the Newman family? Anybody know?

no names, the woman have been called the Bronson twins,in the photo research, and Pat yes, as seen here in Bronson DCM is in the street...a close up shows him holding up a finger signal or a closed fist signal i believe..which i have read in military signals is to stop, after which the limo did hesitate and slowed right down, and or stopped for a few seconds,some believe it was a signal to Greer, after which the head shot was accomplished... .fwiw.. David of course you believe the snappy zappy to be real, what else ?? omg here she is again..

Bernice,

I dug up Jack's original post and I posted a quote of it in the bottom of your post. I thought it was easier to read because it does not contain the "=20" in every sentence.

If you agree, just edit out the text you posted originally, if you disagree, edit out my comment in parentheses and the quote box below it.

Thanks Tom, i could not come upon the originl, wonder what all the 20s mean....?? b

Well then David, why did she say so, more than once...??? b

(The following added by Tom Scully for enhanced readability.):

Yesterday while reviewing some transcribed old notes taken many years ago

at the National Archives, David Lifton came across a long forgotten

information of the mother lode variety.

He was transcribing by hand, listening with earphones to audio tapes made

on the afternoon of 11-22-63, from KRLD Radio tape reels.

The reel was an interview by Jay Hogan of Mary Moorman and Jean Hill at

3:30 pm...on KRLD RADIO excerpts, Tape 5B and 6A at NARA.

I am excerpting from the lengthy transcript several relevant parts of the

interviews. Decide for yourself the importance of this first day evidence:

HOGAN:

Q: Hello, Mrs. Moorman?

A: Yes.

Q You took the picture just after the shooting, or just before?

A: Evidently, just immediately, as the. . . Cause he was, he was looking, you know,

whenever I got the camera focused and then I snapped it in my picture, he slumped over.

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

Q: About how close were you?

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

A: 10 or fifteen foot, I, no more . . . Because I fall behind my camera.

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

Q: Were you up on that grassy bank there?

A: We stepped out in the street. We were right at the car.

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

Q: How many shots did you hear? You say "shots rang out".

A: Oh, oh, I don't know. I think three or four is what I, I uh, that I heard.

Q: Uh huh.

A: (continuing) that I'm sure of. Now, I don't know, there might have been more.

It just took seconds for me to realize what was happening.

Q: Yeah, uh, what as your first thought?

A: That those ARE shots. I mean, he had been HIT.

And that they're liable to hit me, cause I'm right at the car,

so I decided the place for me is to get on the ground (laughs)

Q: So huh, how did the president respond to this shot. I mean, did he just

slump suddenly?

A: He grabbed his chest, and of course, Mrs. Kennedy jumped up immediately,

and fell over him; and she said: "My God, he's been shot."

Q: Did you notice any other reactions...

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

A: Uh, they hesitated just for a moment [referring, I believe, to the car itself,

rather than to the behavior of any particular individual--dsl] cause I think they

were like I was, you know--'Was that a shot," or was itj ust a backfire, or

just what? And then, course, he clutched himself and they immediately sped up,

real fast, you know, like--to get OUT of there. And, uh, the police, there were

several motorcycles around him; and, uh, they stopped, and uh--one or two must

of went with him, And one ran up the hill, and a friend that was with me ran up

the hill across the street from where the shots came from.

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

Q: It (shots) seemed fairly close by?

A: Yes, uh huh.

Q And form what direction did they seem to be?

A: Oh, Lord? North. Just back there (at--laughs)

Q: Just just right at you?

A: Yes, sir.

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

A: The sound popped, well it just sounded like, well, you know, there might

have been a firecracker right there in that car.

Q: And in your picture, uh, you uh took this picture just BEFORE the shot?

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

A: Evidently, at the minute (means "instant") that he, that it hit him because,

uh, we was we was looking, at me, or I mean, he was looking, you know, at the

people when my picture came out. They just slumped over, so I must have got it.

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

A: Yes, uh huh. You could see he's clutched, he's bent over, and she's... and she

hadn't even gotten up in my picture, and she DID get up, STOOD UP, in the car.

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

Q: Uh huh. And you and your friend Miss Hill, uh, were together there

at the scene. Was anybody else with you?

A No, uh uh.

Q: OK, well we sure thank you.

FROM HERE ON OUT, the interview continues with Jean Hill

Q: (continuing)

And also, here, we do have Miss Hill. Miss Hill, you were an

eyewitness, also?

A: Yes, I was . I suppose we were the people closest to the

President's car at the time.

Q: Uh, that as about 10 or fifteen feet, you'd say?

A: Not anymore than that at all.

Q: Uh huh. You were both looking right at the presidential car, then?

A: Yes, we were looking right at the President. We were looking at his face.

As Mary took the picture, I was looking at him. And he grabbed his hands across

his ch-when two shots rang out. He grabbed his hands across his chest. I have

never seen anyone killed, or in pain before like that but there was this odd

look came across his face, and he pitched forward onto Jackie's lap.

DSL NOTE: I believe this must mean: "to the side onto Jackie's lap" --because Jackie was

to the left of JFK, not in front of JFK. In my interview of the Newman's, circa 1971, in

person, and on tape, they talk of JFK falling to the side, or being thrust towards Jackie.

A: And uh, she immediately, we were close enough to even hear her, and

everything, and she fell across him and says "My God, he's been shot."

Q: ..... Did you notice particularly any of the other people around? At the time (she cuts in)

A: There was NO one around us on our side of the street. We had planned it that way;

we wanted to be down there by ourselves; that’s the reason we had gotten almost

to the underpass, so we’d be completely in the clear.

Q: Any other reactions form the other people in the motorcae, that you recall?

A: The motorcade was stunned after the first two shots, and it came to a momentary halt,

and about that time 4 more uh, 3 to 4 more shots again rang out, and I guess it just didn't

register with me. Mary was uh had gotten down on the ground and was pulling at my leg,

saying "Get , get down, they're shooting, get down, they're shooting; and I didn't even

realize it. And I just kept sitting there looking. And uh uh just about that time, well,

of course, some of the motorcycles pulled away. And some of them pulled over to the side

and started running up the bank; there's a hill on the other side (she is interrupted)

Q: Yes, Maam.

A: And the shots came from there. After they were momentarily stopped--after the

first two shots--THEN they sped away REAL quickly.

(DELETED FOR BREVITY)

Q: Well, thank you Miss Hill, and also Miss Moorman, for speaking with us about this.

A. Thankyou.

ANNOUNCER: That's two eyewitnesses to the murdered president, who saw on his face the

anguish of his very last hour alive. Before we go back to CBS, here again are some

announcements of special local importance.

TO SUMMARIZE:

MOORMAN

1. HOW CLOSE TO CAR: 10 or fifteen foot, I, no more

2. WHERE WERE YOU: We stepped out in the street

3. HOW MANY SHOTS: three or four ... there might have been more.

4. WHAT DID MRS. KENNEDY DO: Mrs. Kennedy jumped up immediately, and fell over him;

and she said: "My God, he's been shot."

5. WHAT DID THE LIMO DO: they hesitated just for a moment...and they immediately sped up

6. WHAT DID THE MOTORCYCLES DO: they stopped

7. WHERE DID THE SHOTS COME FROM: Oh, Lord? North.

8. WHAT DID YOUR PHOTO SHOW MRS. K DOING: he's bent over, and she's... and she

hadn't even gotten up in my picture, and she DID get up, STOOD UP, in the car.

HILL:

1. HOW CLOSE TO CAR: about 10 or fifteen feet...not anymore than that at all.

2. WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT DO: he pitched forward onto Jackie's lap.

3. WHAT DID MRS. K DO: she fell across him and says "My God, he's been shot."

4. WERE THERE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND YOU: There was NO one around us on our side of the street

5. WHAT DID THE LIMO DO:The motorcade was stunned after the first two shots, and it came

to a momentary halt. After they were momentarily stopped--after the first two shots--THEN

they sped away REAL quickly.

6. WHERE DID THE SHOTS COME FROM: there's a hill on the other side...and the shots came

from there.

THIS IS FIRST DAY TESTIMONY FROM THE TWO CLOSEST WITNESSES.

Jack

Moorman said she was on the grass, not the street, when taking the infamous Polaroid picture.

I wonder why she said that, when during her interview on Elm Street with Gary Mack, he had to prevent her from saying "we stepped out into the street" multiple times?

Curious.

Yes, she did step out on the street before the President's limo arrived. She stepped into the street to take a picture of Police Officer George Lumpkin. Moorman said she stepped back onto the edge of the curb on the grass before taking her infamous photo. Duncan has posted a link to the interview, so you can hear her make this comment yourself.

But that is not what she said in 97.......b...

Mary has stated she WAS in the street , when she took her polaroid.....

She was interviewed by KRLD in 1997....The interview was originally, and =

kindly provided by Debra Conway.....

Moorman: " UH, just immediately before the presidential car came into =

view, we were, you know, there was just tremendous excitement. And my =

friend who was with me ( Jean Hill ) we were right ready to take the =

picture. And she's not timid. She, as the car approached us, she did =

hollar for the president . " Mr.President, look this way !=20

AND I'D STEPPED OUT OFF THE CURB INTO THE STREET TO TAKE THE PICTURE. =

AND SNAPPED IT IMMEDIATELY..And that evidently was the first shot . You =

know I could hear the sound.And.

Jones: "Now, when you heard the sound, did you immediately think 'rifle =

shot'..?"

Moorman: "Oh no. A firecracker, maybe. There was another one just =

immediately following which I still thought was a firecracker. And then =

I stepped back up on to the grassy area. I guess just, people were =

falling around us, you know.

Knowing something was wrong . I cetainly didn't know what was wrong. "

:blink:She seems to have had great difficulty through the years, about where she stood, she has changed her mind, too often, to be taken seriously any longer....imo...b

Sounds like you are talking about Jean Hill not Mary Moorman!

Cheers

NO, MARY, CHECK THROUGH GOOGLE AND THE VIDEOS AS WELL, ALSO HERE IN OLDER THREADS...FOR INFORMATION...IF YOU HAVE NOT COME UPON IT......TAKE CARE B..

:blink:She seems to have had great difficulty through the years, about where she stood, she has changed her mind, too often, to be taken seriously any longer....imo...b

" "...The major forum for your nation's greater role in world affairs is that of protector of the weak and voice of the small, the United Nations. From Cork to the Congo (ed add : Che'), from Galway to the Gaza Strip, from this legislative assembly to the United Nations, Ireland is sending its most talented men to do the world's most important work--the work of peace.

In a sense, this export of talent is in keeping with an historic Irish role--but you no longer go as exiles and emigrants but for the service of your country and, indeed, of all men. Like the Irish missionaries of medieval days, like the "wild geese" after the Battle of the Boyne, you are not content to sit by your fireside while others are in need of your help. Nor are you content with the recollections of the past when you face the responsibilities of the present.

Twenty-six sons of Ireland have died in the Congo; many others have been wounded. I pay tribute to them and to all of you for your commitment and dedication to world order. And their sacrifice reminds us all that we must not falter now.

The United Nations must be fully and fairly financed. Its peace- keeping machinery must be strengthened. Its institutions must be developed until some day, and perhaps some distant day, a world of law is achieved.

Ireland's influence in the United Nations is far greater than your relative size. You have not hesitated to take the lead on such sensitive issues as the Kashmir dispute. And you sponsored that most vital resolution, adopted by the General Assembly, which opposed the spread of nuclear arms to any nation not now possessing them, urging an international agreement with inspection and controls. And I pledge to you that the United States of America will do all in its power to achieve such an agreement and fulfill your resolution.

I speak of these matters today--not because Ireland is unaware of its role--but I think it important that you know that we know what you have done. And I speak to remind the other small nations that they, too, can and must help build a world peace. They, too, as we all are, are dependent on the United Nations for security, for an equal chance to be heard, for progress towards a world made safe for diversity.

The peace-keeping machinery of the United Nations cannot work without the help of the smaller nations, nations whose forces threaten no one and whose forces can thus help create a world in which no nation is threatened. Great powers have their responsibilities and their burdens, but the smaller nations of the world must fulfill their obligations as well.

A great Irish poet once wrote: "I believe profoundly . . . in the future of Ireland . . . that this is an isle of destiny, that that destiny will be glorious . . . and that when our hour is come, we will have something to give to the world." "

http://irelandyoutube.blogspot.com/2007/12...to-ireland.html (youtube)

Che' dropped into Dublin in dec 1964.

"Ernesto Guevara de la Serna was born in Rosario, Argentina, the eldest of five children in a family of Spanish and Irish descent; both his father and mother were of Basque ancestry. One of Guevara's forebears, Patrick Lynch, was born in Galway, Ireland, in 1715. He left for Bilbao, Spain, and traveled from there to Argentina. Francisco Lynch (Guevara's great-grandfather) was born in 1817, and Ana Lynch (his grandmother) in 1868. Her son, Ernesto Guevara Lynch (Guevara's father) was born in 1900. Guevara Lynch married Celia de la Serna y Llosa in 1927 (one of her non-lineal ancestors was José de la Serna e Hinojosa, Spanish viceroy of Peru), and they had three sons and two daughters."

http://searchwarp.com/swa398670.htm

and march '65.

"Ernesto Che' Guevara was born on 14 June, 1928 in Rosario, Argentina, the eldest of five children into a family of Spanish, Basque and Irish descent. His father Ernesto Guevera Lynch said of his son, that his veins flowed with the blood of Irish rebels. His great-grandfather, Patrick Lynch allegedly left Galway, Ireland during the devastating famine in the 1840's. The name Lynch is one of the most common surnames in Ireland. The origin of the name comes from the Norman, de Lench, they established themselves in Galway becoming one of the fourteen tribes that dominated the city. Dr. Che Guevara arrived at Shannon Airport on Saturday, 13 March 1965. He was onboard a Cuban Airlines Britannia aircraft which had encountered mechanical difficulties during their flight from Prague, Czechoslovakia (present day Czech Republic) to Havana in Cuba. He was returning to Cuba after a three month tour, that had included China, Egypt, Algeria, Ghana, Mali, Dahomey, Congo-Brazzaville and Tanzania. In Algiers, on 24 February, he made what turned out to be his last public appearance on the international stage when he delivered a speech at an economic seminar on Afro-Asian solidarity. Guevara was accompanied by another revolutionary Dr. Osmani Cienfuegos, the Cuban Minister for Construction along with some other minor government officials. An Irish journalist named Alan Quinlan, working on a tip-off went to meet Che at Shannon airport. Upon first meeting him, the Commadante pretended that he did not speak English, however Quinlan coaxed him into speaking with him. Guevara remained tight-lipped about anything got to do with politics, but he did speak about his Irish connections and the name Lynch. Later that day he went into Limerick City, going to Hanratty's hotel on Glenworth St. He left Ireland the following day after the plane had been repaired, returning to Havana on 14 March 1965."

(Lots of Lynchs' settled in Massachusetts)

University to examine JFK's life

I heard from Jack's wife, Sue, this evening. Great news. The surgery turned out to be a triple (not a quadruple) bypass. It

lasted about two hours. Jack tolerated it fine. As of the time of her message, Jack was recovering in ICU.

Thank you Greg. Wonderful news.

God bless you Jack, come back soon.....best b

:blink:William F. Buckley still sounds as though he is talking in a tunnel..... partially humming.

HERE IS ONE OF THE first report articles compiled by Michael Parks...fyi alt.conspiracy.jfk on Aug. 22,'96 =by bhart@cyberramp.net (Michael Parks) =3D his comments remain ]] == FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS TIMES HERALD, =11/24/63 ...as police prepared to transfer Oswald...to the county jail =on Sunday, they indicated there was little hope at that point of =obtaining a confession of the President's murder. Another employee of =the firm (TSBD) was interviewed at length Saturday after appearing =voluntarily. Capt. W.P. Gannaway of the Police Department's Special =Services Bureau said this man's name has been in the subversive files of =the department since 1955. He was not jailed and police said he was not =arrested. =------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. =FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS TIMES HERALD, 11/23/63 =Officer Tippit was shot TWICE by the fleeing man - who police said was =Oswald - and who was arrested within less than an hour in an Oak Cliff =theater. In the BACK of the President's head was a gaping hole in some =respects simular to the head wound Lincoln suffered in the Ford Theater. =Another bullet hole was in President Kennedy's neck, just below the =adam's apple. When Dr. Clark first looked at the stricken President, he =saw "a large gaping wound in the back of the head. There was loss of =tissue." He indicated that he knew at that instant there was no hope. =Wounds in the lower front portion of the neck and the right rear side of =the head ended the life of President John F. Kennedy, say doctors at =Parkland Hospital. Dr. Perry was busy with the wound in the President's =neck. "It was a midline in the lower portion of the neck in the =front.....Below the Adam's apple.....It was an entrance wound in the =neck." Back at Parkland, two unidentified plainclothes officers were =asking to be taken to Gov. Connally's room so they could recover the =bullet slug. (SAY WHAT???!!! M.P.) Sheriff Decker's voice came on. ="Notify my office to empty. Send everybody...." (This statement was not =completed in this paper. M.P.) At 2:30 P.M., police announced their =search of the Texas Book Depository Building was finished. Famed surgeon =Dr. Robert R. Shaw, who previously had performed the first chest and =heart surgery in Afghanistan, was the chief surgeon on Govt. Connally's =case. ------------------------------------------------------------------ =4. FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, =11/25/63 The Justice Department announced in Washington that Assistant =Atty. Gen. Jack Miller Jr., who heads its criminal division, was flying =to Dallas to confer with U.S. District Attorney Barefoot Sanders. A =spoksman refused to say whether the federal government considered the =assassination case closed or whether there was a possibility others were =involved. (This was found in the Early City or 3 star Edition. This note =was dropped in all later editions of the paper. M.P.) Sheriff Bill =Decker said officers "did everything humanly possible" to protect both =President Kennedy and the man accused of assassinating him. "I don't =think it would make a bit of difference if Oswald had been transferred =at night," Decker said. "If someone is determined to commit murder, it's =almost impossible to stop him." Officers said Rubenstein apparently =mingled with reporters and photographers and, in this way, got a chance =to shoot Oswald. Wade recalled he saw Rubenstein with reporters Friday =night when they interviewed Oswald briefly. Rubenstein, who introduced =himself to Wade, may have been plotting the slaying at that time. (This =was found in the Early City or 3 star Edition. It was dropped in later =editions of this paper. M.P.) Rubenstein, who was described as a man =with a quick temper, is expected to plead temporary insanity. (Again, =this was found in the Early City or 3 star Edition and was dropped in =later editions. M.P.) In a telephone conversation with Homicide Capt. =Will Fritz, Mrs. (Eva) Grant (Ruby's sister) said: "You know that no one =else could have gotten in that building - but all the boys (policemen) =knew Jack." Dallas detectives found two large wads of bills and silver =when they searched his (Ruby's) apartment Sunday afternoon. One was in a =closet and the other was found in a chest drawer. The amount was not =disclosed. In an article written for the Associated Press by Dallas =policeman M.N. McDonald and printed in this paper, he states: "I was =cruising towards Oak Cliff, across the river (Trinity that splits Dallas =almost in half). I got a call about 1:30 p.m. The radio dispatcher, G.D. =Henslee, first told me to check the alleys. The next tip was that a guy =that fitted the description they were giving was in a branch library out =in Oak Cliff. This didn't take long to be a phoney. The next one said a =man acting funny was holed up in the balcony of the Texas Theater. I =headed that way in a hurry. The cashier at the picture show was the one =who called in to say this guy was acting supicious and hidden out in the =balcony." Hugh Aynesworth did a large article about Ruby killing Oswald. =In later editions of this paper, the following quotes were added to his =article: "Chief Curry noted he could have moved Oswald secretly 'in the =dark of night,' but had promised reporters and photographers from =throughout the free world that he would make the transfer during the =day." "Police took precautions against any incident. Six armed policemen =surrounded the cart and attendants as it was moved to the green =ambulance." "One reporter said he heard the slayer add, "I did it for =Jackie so she wouldn't have to go through all that...coming back here =for the trial and everything." "But in Evansville, Ind., entertainer =Bill Demar told the Associated Press he is positive Oswald was a patron =in Rubenstein's night club nine days ago. Demar, who has a memory act, =said Oswald was amoung those who called out an object for him to =remember." =------------------------------------------------------------------ 3. =FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS TIMES HERALD, 11/22/63 =The motorcade had just turned into Houston Street from Main Street when =a shot rang out. Pigeons flew up from the street. Then, two more shots =rang out and Mr. Kennedy fell to the floor of the car. The shots seemed =to come from the extension of Elm Street from just beyond the Texas =Textbook Depository building at the corner of Elm and Houston Streets. =Sgt. G.D. Henley, police dispatcher, directed ALL available police units =to the downtown area near the western edge of downtown Dallas. Witnesses =said six or seven shots were fired. The BURSTS were clearly heard. =Reporters about five car lengths behind the chief executive heard what =sounded like three BURSTS of gunfire. Fire equipment was rushed to the =building from which the shots were believed to have been fired. Firemen =roped off the area as SECRET SERVICE men (?) and city police swarmed =through the building. Partolman W.E. Barker saw workers in the Texas =School Book Depository pecking on a window from the third floor and =pointing to a man wearing horn-rimmed glasses, a plaid coat and rain =coat. The officer immediately arrested the man for =questioning......Officers on the case would not explain what connection =the man might have with the shooting nor would they identify him. =------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. =FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 11/23/63 =The President died in a sixth-floor surgery room at Parkland Hospital at =1 p.m., about 40 minutes after the assassin had sent a Mauser 7.62 =bullet smashing into his head....(** or two star edition paper). The =President died in a sixth floor surgery room at Parkland Hospital at 1 =p.m., about 40 minutes after the assassin had sent a Mauser 6.5 rifle =bullet smashing into his head...(*** or three star edition paper). The =assassin, firing from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book =Depository Building near the Triple Underpass sent a Mauser 6.5 rifle =bullet smashing into the President's head...(**** or four star edition =paper). He (the assassin) fired at least three carefully measured shots =into the car. (**) The original plans for President Kennedy's visit =called for a fast ride from Dallas Love Field to a Trade Mart luncheon. =Then Democratic leaders urged the President to ride in motorcade through =Fort Worth and Dallas to give more voters a chance to see him. Jack C. =Cason, president of the depository, said the sixth floor was used soley =as a "dead storage" area. It was stacked about eight feet high with =books. Cason, who left the scene about 30 minutes before the president's =caravan rode down Main Street, said the firm often had difficulty =finding employes who had fallen asleep amidst the stacks of books. ="Somethimes it will be three or four days without anybody going up to =the sixth floor to get anything," Cason said. He said the "dead storage" =area was used to keep books already stocked in the basement and on the =second and fourth floors. Only when they ran out of copies there does =anybody generally go to the sixth floor. Cason said the killer was =apparently "well aware" of the building's layout because there was no =elevator that goes up to the sixth floor from the front entrance. He =would have had to get off the elevator on the fourth floor, walk to the =back of the building and get the stairs or one of the two freight =elevators on the sixth. They (the local police) arrested several =persons, amoung them a Fort Worth man who was said to be driving a car =linked with the slayer. Dealey Plaza and assassination witness Mary E. =Woodward stated: "...After acknowledging our cheers, he (JFK) faced =forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise =coming from behind us and a little to the right. My first reaction, and =also my friends', (Maggie Brown, Aurelia Alonzo and Ann Donaldson) was =that it was a joke, someone had backfired their car. Apparently the =driver and occupants of the President's car had the same impression, =because instead of speeding up, the car came almost to a halt. Things =are a little hazy from this point, but I don't believe anyone was hit =with the first bullet. The President and Mrs. Kennedy turned and looked =around, as if they, too, didn't believe the noise was really coming from =a gun. Then after a moment's pause there was another shot and I saw the =President start slumping in the car. This was followed rapidly by =another shot. Mrs. Kennedy stood up in the car, turned half-way around, =then fell on top of her husband's body.....Next to us were two Negro =women. One collapsed in the other's arms, weeping and uttering what =everyone was thinking: 'THEY shot him'." "THEY'VE shot him...THEY'VE =shot the President," screamed a middle-aged man holding the hand of a =small boy. Dozens of people thought the reports from the killer's muzzle =were just firecrackers. A FEW pointed towards the textbook building. BUT =MOST ran to the west side of the building thinking the shots came from =behind the bushes and a fence dividing the street from a railroad yard. =Deputy Police Chief George Lumpkin used scores of firemen and policemen =in a systematic search of the building. An officer entered and told the =lawmen that a policeman, J.D. Tippit, had just been killed. No details. =An employe of the textbook firm walked up: "I don't know if you're =interested in this...but one of the fellows who works here is gone. =Can't find him anywhere." Mrs. John Connally told the governor's =administrative aide Julian Read Friday she believes the assassin's first =bullet struck President Kennedy." =------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. =FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE FORT WORTH STAR TELEGRAM, =11/24/63 A paraffin test showed positive results on both the hands and =cheek of the 24-year-old ex-Marine. This, officers said, showed that the =man had fired a gun, probably a rifle. Joe Rodriguez Molina, a co-worker =of Oswald's, was given a lie detector test and was being questioned. His =home was also searched. As evidence mounted Saturday night, information =from a Dallas couple placed Oswald at the intersection of the building =used by the assassin a short time after the fatal shots were fired. Leon =Stanfield and his wife, Diane, who had heard an early radio report of =the shooting, told police they stopped their car for a red light at the =intersection and asked a young man they later identified as Oswald: "Is =the President dead?" Mrs. Stanfield said the man replied, "No, he's =going to wait and let us hang him." Oswald was on the Federal Bureau of =Investigation's list as a suspected subversive. Police here said the FBI =knew Oswald was in Dallas working in a building that fronted the =President's motorcade route. A spokesman for the FBI in Washington, =however, denied Saturday that the FBI had questioned Oswald or had him =under surveillance at any time in recent months. =------------------------------------------------------------------ 7. =FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 11/24/63 =A fingerprint expert has obtained evidence which allegegdly links Lee =Harvey Oswald with the assassination of President Kennedy. (No name to =this expert or what the fingerprint was found on. M.P.) "We've got a =print that matches Oswald's," one investigator said. (Again, no name or =location of where this print was found. M.P.) They (investigators) said =that three spent shells found near the officer's body (Tippit) matched =those in the revolver which Oswald carried in the near-by Texas Theater. =Fritz said a bus transfer slip confirms Oswald's admission that he drove =from the area where President Kennedy was shot to Oak Cliff, where =Officer Tippit was slain, in a bus and a taxi. (There had been VARIOUS =reports that a man fitting Oswald's discription was seen entering a =station wagon.) "The witness said Tippit pulled his car over to the curb =and there was a conversation between Tippit and the murderer," Wade =said. "Tippit got out of his car and started towards the murderer who =pulled his pistol and fired three shots into Tippit's body. He then =ejected the cartridge hulls, reloaded his revolver and fled." The Texas =School Book Depository is privately owned by Jack C. Cason and O.V. =Truly. Oswald was classified as a part-time employe - a handy man - and =earned $1.25 a hour, Cason said. Truly (R.S., the superintendent of the =TSBD) said he saw Oswald about the building Friday prior to the shooting =and said there was "no indication of nerviousness." The next time he saw =Oswald was right after the shooting when he and a Dallas policeman =started a check of the building. "The policeman threw a gun into =Oswald's stomach and asked me if Oswald belonged there. I told him 'yes' =and we both went on up the stairs for a check on the other floors. =Oswald looked a bit startled - just as you or I would if someone =suddenly threw a gun on you - but he didn't appear too nervious nor =panicky." Truly aid he placed "no significance" on Oswald's presence =there "until later when we found him missing and I reported it." The =building was built in 1903 and is owned by the D. Harold Byrd =Associates. The school depository firm moved in in 1960 and took a 15 =year-lease. It was previously occupied by a wholesale grocery firm. =Cason said they remodled most of the building, except the sixth floor =where Oswald allegedly stalked his victim. On the first floor is the =general shipping area and the second is the company's administrative =offices. The third and fourth floors are occupied by publishers' =manufacturing representatives. The fifth floor and basement are used for =filling book orders. Cason said the sixth floor is seldom used. He said =an employe might go up there two or three times a week. There are two =freight elevators that go to the sixth floor, but a passenger elevator =only reaches the fourth floor. Lee Harvey Oswald, charged with murdering =President Kennedy, was interviewed by the FBI here six days before the =Friday assassination. But word of the interview with the former defector =to Russia was not conveyed to the U.S. Secret Service and Dallas police, =reliable soures told The Dallas Morning News Saturday. However, in =Washington, a spokesman for the FBI said it was "incorrect" that the FBI =had questioned Oswald or had him under surveillance at any time in =resent months, the Associated Press reported. The interview reportedly =was held Nov. 16 - at a time when the Secret Service and police =officials were coordinating security plans for the President's ill-fated =Dallas visit. These sources said the Oswald interview added more data to =an already "thick file" the FBI has on the 24-year old avowed Marxist =who defected to Russia in 1959 and returned in 1962. In retracting his =earlier statement about the FBI interview, Curry told gathered =reporters: "I do not want to accuse the FBI of withholding information. =They have no obligation to help us." In an article printed in the Early =City Edition from the North American Newspaper Alliance, written by =Priscilla Johnson on her interview with Oswald in Moscow, she states: ="He had no friends in Russia and he didn't speak a word of the =language." =------------------------------------------------------------------ 8. =FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 11/28/63 =Here are more tidbits from an article Oswald Planned to Ride by Scene, =taken from the Dallas Morning News, 11/28/63. Again, the earliest =reports are the most accurate. All EMPHASES are my own. (Up till now =this story tells of Oswald's escape from the TSBD, the Tippit killing =and him fleeing from the scene. I pick it up at this point. M.P.) Oswald =was reported in a used furniture store that occupies a tall, =weather-beaten green frame building at 413 E. Jefferson. About the same =time, spectators at a service station further west up the street saw him =run into a vacant lot, where police say the killer discarded his newly =acquired jacket and three pistol shells. (This makes ya wonder just how =many shell where found. If three were found here and the Davis sisters =found two and so did Benavides, that makes Oswald carrying a =seven-shooter. M.P.) Then followed a chase in and out of alleyways in =the Jefferson - Beckley - Cumberland - Zang area. About 1:45 p.m. Julie =Postal, cashier at the Texas Theater at 231 W. Jefferson saw a hurrying =stranger rush past her into the theater. TO THIS DAY, SHE CAN'T RECALL =WHETHER OR NOT HE BOUGHT A TICKET. "I was so upset listening to the =radio about the President and all," she said. (Brewer rushed up, Postal =called the police and the story continues): The cashier immediately =called police - who had just sped en masse to a false alarm at the =Dallas Library branch on Jefferson, further to the east. The police =sirens wailed again. Oddly enough, it was at th ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7AAFF.20C0FF10Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =charset=3Diso-8859-1"><BASE=20href=3Dhttp://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/08-Parks-36-items/first.reports><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=3DGENERATOR><STYLE></STYLE></HEAD><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff><DIV> </DIV>[[ the following series was posted on =alt.conspiracy.jfk on=20Aug. 22,'96 by bhart@cyberramp.net (Michael Parks) =3D his comments =remain ]]=20=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==20------------ First Reports out of Dallas, November 1963 ------------- 1. =FIRST=20REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS TIMES HERALD, 11/24/63 ...as =police=20prepared to transfer Oswald...to the county jail on Sunday, they =indicated there=20was little hope at that point of obtaining a confession of the =President's=20murder. Another employee of the firm (TSBD) was interviewed at length =Saturday=20after appearing voluntarily. Capt. W.P. Gannaway of the Police =Department's=20Special Services Bureau said this man's name has been in the subversive =files of=20the department since 1955. He was not jailed and police said he was not=20arrested. =------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.=20FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS TIMES HERALD, 11/23/63 =Officer=20Tippit was shot TWICE by the fleeing man - who police said was Oswald - =and who=20was arrested within less than an hour in an Oak Cliff theater. In the =BACK of=20the President's head was a gaping hole in some respects simular to the =head=20wound Lincoln suffered in the Ford Theater. Another bullet hole was in =President=20Kennedy's neck, just below the adam's apple. When Dr. Clark first looked =at the=20stricken President, he saw "a large gaping wound in the back of the =head. There=20was loss of tissue." He indicated that he knew at that instant there was =no=20hope. Wounds in the lower front portion of the neck and the right rear =side of=20the head ended the life of President John F. Kennedy, say doctors at =Parkland=20Hospital. Dr. Perry was busy with the wound in the President's neck. "It =was a=20midline in the lower portion of the neck in the front.....Below the =Adam's=20apple.....It was an entrance wound in the neck." Back at Parkland, two=20unidentified plainclothes officers were asking to be taken to Gov. =Connally's=20room so they could recover the bullet slug. (SAY WHAT???!!! M.P.) =Sheriff=20Decker's voice came on. "Notify my office to empty. Send everybody...." =(This=20statement was not completed in this paper. M.P.) At 2:30 P.M., police =announced=20their search of the Texas Book Depository Building was finished. Famed =surgeon=20Dr. Robert R. Shaw, who previously had performed the first chest and =heart=20surgery in Afghanistan, was the chief surgeon on Govt. Connally's case.=20------------------------------------------------------------------ 4. =FIRST=20REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 11/25/63 The =Justice=20Department announced in Washington that Assistant Atty. Gen. Jack Miller =Jr.,=20who heads its criminal division, was flying to Dallas to confer with =U.S.=20District Attorney Barefoot Sanders. A spoksman refused to say whether =the=20federal government considered the assassination case closed or whether =there was=20a possibility others were involved. (This was found in the Early City or =3 star=20Edition. This note was dropped in all later editions of the paper. M.P.) =Sheriff=20Bill Decker said officers "did everything humanly possible" to protect =both=20President Kennedy and the man accused of assassinating him. "I don't =think it=20would make a bit of difference if Oswald had been transferred at night," =Decker=20said. "If someone is determined to commit murder, it's almost impossible =to stop=20him." Officers said Rubenstein apparently mingled with reporters and=20photographers and, in this way, got a chance to shoot Oswald. Wade =recalled he=20saw Rubenstein with reporters Friday night when they interviewed Oswald =briefly.=20Rubenstein, who introduced himself to Wade, may have been plotting the =slaying=20at that time. (This was found in the Early City or 3 star Edition. It =was=20dropped in later editions of this paper. M.P.) Rubenstein, who was =described as=20a man with a quick temper, is expected to plead temporary insanity. =(Again, this=20was found in the Early City or 3 star Edition and was dropped in later =editions.=20M.P.) In a telephone conversation with Homicide Capt. Will Fritz, Mrs. =(Eva)=20Grant (Ruby's sister) said: "You know that no one else could have gotten =in that=20building - but all the boys (policemen) knew Jack." Dallas detectives =found two=20large wads of bills and silver when they searched his (Ruby's) apartment =Sunday=20afternoon. One was in a closet and the other was found in a chest =drawer. The=20amount was not disclosed. In an article written for the Associated Press =by=20Dallas policeman M.N. McDonald and printed in this paper, he states: "I =was=20cruising towards Oak Cliff, across the river (Trinity that splits Dallas =almost=20in half). I got a call about 1:30 p.m. The radio dispatcher, G.D. =Henslee, first=20told me to check the alleys. The next tip was that a guy that fitted the =description they were giving was in a branch library out in Oak Cliff. =This=20didn't take long to be a phoney. The next one said a man acting funny =was holed=20up in the balcony of the Texas Theater. I headed that way in a hurry. =The=20cashier at the picture show was the one who called in to say this guy =was acting=20supicious and hidden out in the balcony." Hugh Aynesworth did a large =article=20about Ruby killing Oswald. In later editions of this paper, the =following quotes=20were added to his article: "Chief Curry noted he could have moved Oswald =secretly 'in the dark of night,' but had promised reporters and =photographers=20from throughout the free world that he would make the transfer during =the day."=20"Police took precautions against any incident. Six armed policemen =surrounded=20the cart and attendants as it was moved to the green ambulance." "One =reporter=20said he heard the slayer add, "I did it for Jackie so she wouldn't have =to go=20through all that...coming back here for the trial and everything." "But =in=20Evansville, Ind., entertainer Bill Demar told the Associated Press he is =positive Oswald was a patron in Rubenstein's night club nine days ago. =Demar,=20who has a memory act, said Oswald was amoung those who called out an =object for=20him to remember."=20------------------------------------------------------------------ 3. =FIRST=20REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS TIMES HERALD, 11/22/63 The =motorcade=20had just turned into Houston Street from Main Street when a shot rang =out.=20Pigeons flew up from the street. Then, two more shots rang out and Mr. =Kennedy=20fell to the floor of the car. The shots seemed to come from the =extension of Elm=20Street from just beyond the Texas Textbook Depository building at the =corner of=20Elm and Houston Streets. Sgt. G.D. Henley, police dispatcher, directed =ALL=20available police units to the downtown area near the western edge of =downtown=20Dallas. Witnesses said six or seven shots were fired. The BURSTS were =clearly=20heard. Reporters about five car lengths behind the chief executive heard =what=20sounded like three BURSTS of gunfire. Fire equipment was rushed to the =building=20from which the shots were believed to have been fired. Firemen roped off =the=20area as SECRET SERVICE men (?) and city police swarmed through the =building.=20Partolman W.E. Barker saw workers in the Texas School Book Depository =pecking on=20a window from the third floor and pointing to a man wearing horn-rimmed =glasses,=20a plaid coat and rain coat. The officer immediately arrested the man for =questioning......Officers on the case would not explain what connection =the man=20might have with the shooting nor would they identify him.=20------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. =FIRST=20REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 11/23/63 The =President=20died in a sixth-floor surgery room at Parkland Hospital at 1 p.m., about =40=20minutes after the assassin had sent a Mauser 7.62 bullet smashing into =his=20head....(** or two star edition paper). The President died in a sixth =floor=20surgery room at Parkland Hospital at 1 p.m., about 40 minutes after the =assassin=20had sent a Mauser 6.5 rifle bullet smashing into his head...(*** or =three star=20edition paper). The assassin, firing from the sixth floor of the Texas =School=20Book Depository Building near the Triple Underpass sent a Mauser 6.5 =rifle=20bullet smashing into the President's head...(**** or four star edition =paper).=20He (the assassin) fired at least three carefully measured shots into the =car.=20(**) The original plans for President Kennedy's visit called for a fast =ride=20from Dallas Love Field to a Trade Mart luncheon. Then Democratic leaders =urged=20the President to ride in motorcade through Fort Worth and Dallas to give =more=20voters a chance to see him. Jack C. Cason, president of the depository, =said the=20sixth floor was used soley as a "dead storage" area. It was stacked =about eight=20feet high with books. Cason, who left the scene about 30 minutes before =the=20president's caravan rode down Main Street, said the firm often had =difficulty=20finding employes who had fallen asleep amidst the stacks of books. ="Somethimes=20it will be three or four days without anybody going up to the sixth =floor to get=20anything," Cason said. He said the "dead storage" area was used to keep =books=20already stocked in the basement and on the second and fourth floors. =Only when=20they ran out of copies there does anybody generally go to the sixth =floor. Cason=20said the killer was apparently "well aware" of the building's layout =because=20there was no elevator that goes up to the sixth floor from the front =entrance.=20He would have had to get off the elevator on the fourth floor, walk to =the back=20of the building and get the stairs or one of the two freight elevators =on the=20sixth. They (the local police) arrested several persons, amoung them a =Fort=20Worth man who was said to be driving a car linked with the slayer. =Dealey Plaza=20and assassination witness Mary E. Woodward stated: "...After =acknowledging our=20cheers, he (JFK) faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible,=20ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to the right. My =first=20reaction, and also my friends', (Maggie Brown, Aurelia Alonzo and Ann =Donaldson)=20was that it was a joke, someone had backfired their car. Apparently the =driver=20and occupants of the President's car had the same impression, because =instead of=20speeding up, the car came almost to a halt. Things are a little hazy =from this=20point, but I don't believe anyone was hit with the first bullet. The =President=20and Mrs. Kennedy turned and looked around, as if they, too, didn't =believe the=20noise was really coming from a gun. Then after a moment's pause there =was=20another shot and I saw the President start slumping in the car. This was =followed rapidly by another shot. Mrs. Kennedy stood up in the car, =turned=20half-way around, then fell on top of her husband's body.....Next to us =were two=20Negro women. One collapsed in the other's arms, weeping and uttering =what=20everyone was thinking: 'THEY shot him'." "THEY'VE shot him...THEY'VE =shot the=20President," screamed a middle-aged man holding the hand of a small boy. =Dozens=20of people thought the reports from the killer's muzzle were just =firecrackers. A=20FEW pointed towards the textbook building. BUT MOST ran to the west side =of the=20building thinking the shots came from behind the bushes and a fence =dividing the=20street from a railroad yard. Deputy Police Chief George Lumpkin used =scores of=20firemen and policemen in a systematic search of the building. An officer =entered=20and told the lawmen that a policeman, J.D. Tippit, had just been killed. =No=20details. An employe of the textbook firm walked up: "I don't know if =you're=20interested in this...but one of the fellows who works here is gone. =Can't find=20him anywhere." Mrs. John Connally told the governor's administrative =aide Julian=20Read Friday she believes the assassin's first bullet struck President =Kennedy."=20------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. =FIRST=20REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE FORT WORTH STAR TELEGRAM, 11/24/63 =A=20paraffin test showed positive results on both the hands and cheek of the =24-year-old ex-Marine. This, officers said, showed that the man had =fired a gun,=20probably a rifle. Joe Rodriguez Molina, a co-worker of Oswald's, was =given a lie=20detector test and was being questioned. His home was also searched. As =evidence=20mounted Saturday night, information from a Dallas couple placed Oswald =at the=20intersection of the building used by the assassin a short time after the =fatal=20shots were fired. Leon Stanfield and his wife, Diane, who had heard an =early=20radio report of the shooting, told police they stopped their car for a =red light=20at the intersection and asked a young man they later identified as =Oswald: "Is=20the President dead?" Mrs. Stanfield said the man replied, "No, he's =going to=20wait and let us hang him." Oswald was on the Federal Bureau of =Investigation's=20list as a suspected subversive. Police here said the FBI knew Oswald was =in=20Dallas working in a building that fronted the President's motorcade =route. A=20spokesman for the FBI in Washington, however, denied Saturday that the =FBI had=20questioned Oswald or had him under surveillance at any time in recent =months.=20------------------------------------------------------------------ 7. =FIRST=20REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 11/24/63 A =fingerprint=20expert has obtained evidence which allegegdly links Lee Harvey Oswald =with the=20assassination of President Kennedy. (No name to this expert or what the=20fingerprint was found on. M.P.) "We've got a print that matches =Oswald's," one=20investigator said. (Again, no name or location of where this print was =found.=20M.P.) They (investigators) said that three spent shells found near the =officer's=20body (Tippit) matched those in the revolver which Oswald carried in the =near-by=20Texas Theater. Fritz said a bus transfer slip confirms Oswald's =admission that=20he drove from the area where President Kennedy was shot to Oak Cliff, =where=20Officer Tippit was slain, in a bus and a taxi. (There had been VARIOUS =reports=20that a man fitting Oswald's discription was seen entering a station =wagon.) "The=20witness said Tippit pulled his car over to the curb and there was a =conversation=20between Tippit and the murderer," Wade said. "Tippit got out of his car =and=20started towards the murderer who pulled his pistol and fired three shots =into=20Tippit's body. He then ejected the cartridge hulls, reloaded his =revolver and=20fled." The Texas School Book Depository is privately owned by Jack C. =Cason and=20O.V. Truly. Oswald was classified as a part-time employe - a handy man - =and=20earned $1.25 a hour, Cason said. Truly (R.S., the superintendent of the =TSBD)=20said he saw Oswald about the building Friday prior to the shooting and =said=20there was "no indication of nerviousness." The next time he saw Oswald =was right=20after the shooting when he and a Dallas policeman started a check of the =building. "The policeman threw a gun into Oswald's stomach and asked me =if=20Oswald belonged there. I told him 'yes' and we both went on up the =stairs for a=20check on the other floors. Oswald looked a bit startled - just as you or =I would=20if someone suddenly threw a gun on you - but he didn't appear too =nervious nor=20panicky." Truly aid he placed "no significance" on Oswald's presence =there=20"until later when we found him missing and I reported it." The building =was=20built in 1903 and is owned by the D. Harold Byrd Associates. The school=20depository firm moved in in 1960 and took a 15 year-lease. It was =previously=20occupied by a wholesale grocery firm. Cason said they remodled most of =the=20building, except the sixth floor where Oswald allegedly stalked his =victim. On=20the first floor is the general shipping area and the second is the =company's=20administrative offices. The third and fourth floors are occupied by =publishers'=20manufacturing representatives. The fifth floor and basement are used for =filling=20book orders. Cason said the sixth floor is seldom used. He said an =employe might=20go up there two or three times a week. There are two freight elevators =that go=20to the sixth floor, but a passenger elevator only reaches the fourth =floor. Lee=20Harvey Oswald, charged with murdering President Kennedy, was interviewed =by the=20FBI here six days before the Friday assassination. But word of the =interview=20with the former defector to Russia was not conveyed to the U.S. Secret =Service=20and Dallas police, reliable soures told The Dallas Morning News =Saturday.=20However, in Washington, a spokesman for the FBI said it was "incorrect" =that the=20FBI had questioned Oswald or had him under surveillance at any time in =resent=20months, the Associated Press reported. The interview reportedly was held =Nov. 16=20- at a time when the Secret Service and police officials were =coordinating=20security plans for the President's ill-fated Dallas visit. These sources =said=20the Oswald interview added more data to an already "thick file" the FBI =has on=20the 24-year old avowed Marxist who defected to Russia in 1959 and =returned in=201962. In retracting his earlier statement about the FBI interview, Curry =told=20gathered reporters: "I do not want to accuse the FBI of withholding =information.=20They have no obligation to help us." In an article printed in the Early =City=20Edition from the North American Newspaper Alliance, written by Priscilla =Johnson=20on her interview with Oswald in Moscow, she states: "He had no friends =in Russia=20and he didn't speak a word of the language."=20------------------------------------------------------------------ 8. =FIRST=20REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, 11/28/63 Here =are more=20tidbits from an article Oswald Planned to Ride by Scene, taken from the =Dallas=20Morning News, 11/28/63. Again, the earliest reports are the most =accurate. All=20EMPHASES are my own. (Up till now this story tells of Oswald's escape =from the=20TSBD, the Tippit killing and him fleeing from the scene. I pick it up at =this=20point. M.P.) Oswald was reported in a used furniture store that occupies =a tall,=20weather-beaten green frame building at 413 E. Jefferson. About the same =time,=20spectators at a service station further west up the street saw him run =into a=20vacant lot, where police say the killer discarded his newly acquired =jacket and=20three pistol shells. (This makes ya wonder just how many shell where =found. If=20three were found here and the Davis sisters found two and so did =Benavides, that=20makes Oswald carrying a seven-shooter. M.P.) Then followed a chase in =and out of=20alleyways in the Jefferson - Beckley - Cumberland - Zang area. About =1:45 p.m.=20Julie Postal, cashier at the Texas Theater at 231 W. Jefferson saw a =hurrying=20stranger rush past her into the theater. TO THIS DAY, SHE CAN'T RECALL =WHETHER=20OR NOT HE BOUGHT A TICKET. "I was so upset listening to the radio about =the=20President and all," she said. (Brewer rushed up, Postal called the =police and=20the story continues): The cashier immediately called police - who had =just sped=20en masse to a false alarm at the Dallas Library branch on Jefferson, =further to=20the east. The police sirens wailed again. Oddly enough, it was at th=20</BODY></HTML>------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7AAFF.20C0FF10--

re two wounds, neck wound...HERE ARE a couple from Dallas, but only a part of one, someone posted a photo over.......for now..b

here are a couple more frames ed..fwtaw..dave..

why not just go to robins photo gallery and check the frames out there..i really do not know which or what you would like to see..so try robin's....b http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=7

david here is a comp i found,re nix, it may have some frames you may be interested in..b

How come nobody else needs a rain slicker?

Any more views of the "pillbox" would be appreciated.

some police officers still had there's due to the rain early in the morning, but why he still has his on is anyones guess..i really do not know which photos in nix that he has referred to..b

in the cupola thing, inside it, during the shooting

Where is that cupola again?

hi david...i believe he is meaning the pergola, top right hand corner, nix...

David Belcher Oil is mentioned on Baylor, Armstrong's.files....

http://alturl.com/hnzpp

jACK FYI HERE IS THE SHORT URL TO BAYLOR, JOHN'S INFO RESEARCHED MARINA ENGLISH...

B... http://alturl.com/v8ceu

I just posted a message about John's materials on the Zigers. It failed to appear on the thread. Why?

Jack

Well, this appeared. What the lost message said was that John's materials on the Zigers in his Baylor

collection is in Box 16, Notebook 1 ONLINE.

thanks for the information, Jack, best b;)

here are the attachments for any who wish...b

Robert ;''I like having Jim Phelps on this board. If anyone calls him a "lunatic" "kook" "loon" or a "nut" I am going to make sure the moderators hear about it in a quick fashion.

'' many have been called such, on here, it never stopped them from continuing, if so, it should not stop him, if, he thinks his reseach is important,you suggesting that he is so sensitive.?? is not for you to say...nor are any threats...b:blink:

hi dave there is mention of such within this thread fwiw...take care...b;)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14224

if this will upload here is a photo of connie and sam kritzberg taken in 1994.Pleased to see Connie is well,AND ACTIVE, YOU STILL GO GIRL... .b

Hi David; what i posted was the article that was asked for...i believe it as from the marsh collection as i have his intials on the folder...b