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Hi Daniel, i did reply but ??? I lost it somehow...agreed Doug Horne's work is essential also imo today to be up to date more or less, it has been some years since i went through all this at rich's , till reading doug's so i am also taking it as a refresher course, have patience as i am trying to with myself, here is a bit from posted info saved, might be of interest..for now, thanks much b..
IF.......we and all are expected to believe the large extended wound that we see in the phony autopsy photos,
of the slash to the President's neck is to be believed...well that is what they would like us to...
Then WHY would a tracheostomy be needed to have been performed in the first place..Why ever
would it have been necessary ....Would it not have been necessary by the medical personnel in
attendance, to have had to have worked immediately to have at least tried to staunch that immense flow of blood
into the throat..it also would have blown out the neck as they show, to such a degree, he would not have been breathing by any chance, or imagination, to warrant a trac....but no, all that was reported was a small trickle of blood appearing from a small entrance wound.
And if it was such a huge open slash, would it not have been easily dissected and the wound probed,??
......Instead Dr.Humes stated " Dissecting the neck was totally unnecessary and would have been Criminal.""
Criminal ??.....Therefore a proper autopsy was not completed........and ...."none of the autopsy findings therefore
suggested a penetrating wound to the back...."
Even though Humes consistently claimed that the wound was obscured by the trach.....his pretended ignorance
was contradicted by Ebersole , who more than oce said he was aware of the throat wound that night...
Ebersole as well told Dr.Mantik that he was aware of such ..based on a call by someone to Dallas after 10.30pm, Nov.22/63..
Info of Dr.D.Maniks.
At first at Parkland, the wound was described as just below the Adam's Apple, larynx, just to the right...approx 2 to 3 mm..which would mean above the tie and shirt collar that the President wore.....recall the autopsy photos are fabrications, they have moved their
so called tracheostomy,also...not just the head wounds... to where they decided it should go,in their fabrication......... IMO....
Now in the Pathological Examination Report..from Bethesda Naval Hospital......they seem to have moved such to read...the low, anterior neck at approximately
the third and fourth tracheal ring....also stating the wound is.......a long trachael wound with a 6.5 cm wound, ( that's what it states cm..) widely gaping irregular edges........page 432.."Assassination Science".
By the time of the W/C and the testimony was taken, the wound has grown anywhere from approx 5 ... up to 8 mm.......except for Dr.Jones and Nurse Henchliffe perhaps...
Dr. PERRY: This was situated in the lower anterior one-third of the neck, approximately 5 mm. in diameter. (3H372)
Dr. CARRICO: This was probably a 4-7 mm. wound, almost in the midline, maybe a little to the right of the midline, and below the thyroid cartilage. (6H3)
DR. CARRICO: There was a small wound, 5- to 8-mm. in size, located in the lower third of the neck, below the thyroid cartilage, the Adams apple. (3H361)
Dr. PERRY: I determined only the fact that there was a wound there, roughly 5 mm. in size or so. (6H9)
Dr. JONES: The wound in the throat was probably no larger than a quarter of an inch in diameter. . . . t was a very small, smooth wound. (6H54)
Nurse HENCHLIFFE: It was just a little hole in the middle of his neck. . . . About as big around as the end of my little finger. (6H141
fwiw the testimony of http://www.history-m...HSCA-Lipsey.htm
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Eugene Welcome Barnett
Thanks Bernie!
According to his testimony, he raced to the back of the TSBD because he thought the shots came from the top of the building. I guess Mr Lifton will now have to include him as one of Baker's cohorts in the conspiracy...
Your Welcome Greg, I am thinking he is the one that noted the pigeons, at the tme, taking off from the roof, how come the pigeons have been left out in all this ?? seems rather picky..
I have noted a correction in my post , his second name was not Welcome,
i have omitted it, though that is how it was sent to me,it was in error, i thought it rather neat, but not true, so please correct if copied...take care all.thanks....b -
Thankyou John for the heads up....take care...b
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Alexander Rorke
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hi zach; here is another comp done by james richards, you may be interested in..if not in your files, looking for the copy of original you posted but of course, never where you look.thanks for the information...and one of hargraves under arrest...and faces in dealey also..take care .b
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Daniel, you might be interested in this informative work of jerry mcknight...take care b..
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Correction, Eugene Barnett
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http://www.jfklancer...pdf/Camelot.pdf
INFORMATION FROM THE CAMELOT DOCUMENTS,,
A week after cradling her slain
husband in her lap in Dallas,
Jacqueline Kennedy summoned a
trusted journalist friend to her
home in Hyannisport, Mass.,
"obsessed," to use her word, with
the notion that her husband be
remembered as a hero.
Preface
With clarity and political savvy of a master spin artist, the
34-year-old widow spoke to the writer, Theodore H. White, for
four hours, urging him to tell the world -- through LIFE magazine
-- that Kennedy was truly "a man of magic," that his
presidency was truly special, that the era was, to use the words
she borrowed from a Broadway musical, "one brief shining
moment that was known as Camelot."
A year after Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis' death of cancer
at 64, the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston made public Mr.
White's notes [see next article] from that Nov. 29, 1963, interview
in which the romantic Camelot myth--one that would
remain fixed in the public's mind despite ensuing revelations of
chinks in the Kennedy armor -- was born.
The newly released papers include Mr. White's handwritten
notes from the interview and the typed manuscript of the
essay -- with editing marks by Mrs. Kennedy -- that appeared in
the Dec. 6, 1963, issue of LIFE. The writer donated the papers to
the Kennedy Library in 1969, stipulating that they remain sealed
until one year after her death. Called the "Camelot documents,"
they offer another small piece of the puzzle -- another glimpse
into the mind and soul of a private woman who, even in death,
has remained a source of endless fascination and mystery to so
many.
Perhaps most important, the papers reveal the extent to
which the sad, wan, yet tearless widow had a hand in shaping
the extraordinary Kennedy legacy. "She certainly wanted to take
control of history," said presidential historian Stephen E.
Ambrose, a critic of the rose-colored portrayals of the Kennedy
years, " and in so many ways she managed to do so."
Much of the substance of the Camelot interview appeared
in the LIFE essay, "For President Kennedy: An Epilogue." The
magazine held the presses that November night, at a cost of
$30,000 an hour for overtime, while Mr. White talked with Mrs.
Kennedy. He finally dictated his story to editors form the
telephone in the Kennedy kitchen at 2 a.m., with his interview
subject hovering nearby.
Mr. White, who died in 1986, revealed many more details
and impressions from the interview in his 1978 memoir, "In
Search of History,"
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White wrote in his memoir that
Mrs. Kennedy wanted him to "rescue Jack from all these `bitter
people' who were going to write about him in history. She did
not want Jack left to the historians.''
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This is an article I received from Gordon Winslow. I know its a litle small, sorry, perhaps you could save it blow it up a bit and maybe read it under mag-glass.
SK
Scott i did try , i blew it up but the wording was so distorted it could not be read,no go, sorry..b
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Here is another Forum thread that discusses this topic.
Oswald involved in fist fight?
This involved Jerry Buchanan and his brother Jim, who were an interesting pair to say the least.
I really do not believe this incident really happened and the "Oswald" in Florida was likely an impersonator.
Zach
Zach: It is the same thread but thank you for your dilligence...b
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Here are a couple links regarding Jerry Buchanan:
Apr 2, '63 - The New York Times reports:
"Seventeen heavily armed Cuban exiles planning to attack a Soviet tanker off Cuba were seized yesterday by a British force on a solitary islet in the Bahamas chain. The capture was apparently the first result of an agreement worked out late last week by Washington and London to cooperate in preventing raids by opponents of Premier Fidel Castro [in Miami], Cuban exiles reacted with a mixture of anger, defiance and gloom." The anti-Castro raiding party was led by Jerry Buchanan, a member of Frank Sturgis' International Anti-Communist Brigade."
Video and Original NY Times article attached.
ANTI-CASTRO RAIDERS ARRESTED - KENNEDY SPEAKS video 04/04/1963
Current Section: CE 2951 - FBI report dated March 30, 1964, of interview of Jerry Buchanan at Fairhope, Ala
Warren Commission Hearings, Volume XXVI
-- Zach
:)Good post Zach, thank you...b
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Hi Don, yes we have seen much whoop di do in the past, promising much, delivering nothing, in the end, of substance, relative to the assassination studies,I am thinking this will be another episode of the likes, i went to the jfk museum, to see what they had to say, see below, accordng to their information,there will be nothing pertaining to the many speculations, that have been made and hoped for by some, within their release..but there will be, some information of interest no doubt...take care..b:blink:
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Exhibits/Special-Exhibits/In-Her-Voice.aspx
In September 2011, the Kennedy Library will open a new exhibit
highlighting Mrs. Kennedy’s 1964 oral history interview. Sealed for 47
years and scheduled to be published in September is a series of
wide-ranging conversations with historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in
which Mrs. Kennedy reveals her thoughts and impressions on topics
spanning John F. Kennedy’s early campaigns to the Cuban Missile
Crisis. The conversations cover Mrs. Kennedy’s impressions of world
leaders and events, her role as First Lady, and her life as a wife and
mother living inside the White House.
In the exhibit, excerpts from these conversations will be presented
alongside the objects, documents, and photographs that chronicle the
events Mrs. Kennedy describes. This unique presentation, joining
iconic treasures from the Kennedy Library with the words of Mrs.
Kennedy, sheds new light both on the great events and personalities of
the 20th century, as well as on the extraordinary sensibilities of the
woman describing them.
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I thought that report was BS when I read it.
But that is the British tabloid scene.
I don't think it is bullxxxx. It was also in the National Enquirer months ago, they may be a tabloid but are usually spot on
(ask John Edwards for example). ABC likely edited that out of the tapes is my guess. The big story here is that Caroline is releasing them
now, not 75 years after her death as her mother wished. One has to wonder why. I have my reasons. The book complete with cds can be preordered at Amazon. I ordered mine
a few days ago.
Dawn
I think most of us in those first few days thought LBJ was involved. I sure did, at 14. Jackie refused to change her blood covered clothing. So that the "world can see what you did to my husband".
One has to wonder to whom she was referring. And if she did not offer her private thoughts on the assassination why did the tapes have to be kept secret for so long?
I think JFK Jr was murdered -(plenty of proof online, spend some time on google)- and that Caroline herself may have been threatened when she was about to run for office.
Because this is entirely out of character for her.
Dawn
Hi Dawn; FYI they were to be held for 50 years,after her death, Jackie Kennedy had requested that the tapes, which total eight hours and were made just four months after her husband was killed, not be released until 50 years after her death. But her daughter, Caroline Kennedy, agreed to let ABC have access to the tapes now - just 17 years after her mother's death.yes there is much on the web re JFKjrs death, some information is quite interesting, but the same as with his Father, hard proof evidence is needed, perhaps some day...take care..b
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Coming in Sept; His Three Songs for America , settings of the words of Martin Luther King, J.F. Kennedy, and R.F. Kennedy
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsburger/52373256-53/festival-september-music-amram.html.csp
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someone had asked. i believe, if abc actually had the tapes, according to this info, yes they do..b
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/re...rted_abc_says/
The story quickly made the rounds of the Internet, but ABC, the
network that actually has the tapes, dismissed the Mail’s claims as
bogus .........
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Jackie Kennedy believed, CORRECTLY, that it was Lyndon Johnson and his Texas oil men who were behind the JFK assassination. Bingo! And that the Vietnam war and favorable tax treatments for oil companies were big reasons in the JFK assassination. Bingo! And no doubt she knew that LBJ was going to be dropped from the 1964 ticket and that LBJ was highly threatened by this. Bingo!
"On the assassination, a second source said Jackie believed gunman Lee Harvey Oswald was "part of a much larger conspiracy." She became convinced that Vice-President Lyndon Johnson, JFK's successor, and a cabal of Texas tycoons were involved.
"Those businessmen expected that LBJ would give them more favourable treatment in Vietnam War contracts and oil policies.
"There is no doubt that Jackie wanted the truth to come out, but feared that she and her children, Caroline and John Jr, might also be marked for death by the ¬conspirators."
This is very significant. We now know that 2 of the closest women to John Kennedy: his wife Jackie Kennedy and his longtime secretary Evelyn Lincoln BOTH believed that Lyndon Johnson was behind the JFK assassination.
Arthur Schlesinger has stated that for a time Robert Kennedy (very, very close to Jackie) also believed that Johnson was behind the JFK assassination.
And it is well known that one of the closest women to Lyndon Johnson, Madeleine Duncan Brown, his long time mistress who he had a son Steven with in 1950, Madeleine Brown ALSO thought that Texas oil men were behind the JFK assassination and that Lyndon Johnson was a willing accomplice.
Folks, you need to listen! The evidence of Johnson's guilt just keeps piling up.
For the new readers here, please google "LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK". You can also email me at Morrow321@aol.com and I will give you my entire files on the LBJ-CIA assassination of JFK.
If Jackie believed LBJ had killed her husband, how does that explain the way she speaks to LBJ on the phone about 10 days after the Assassination? First she sounds like a little girl because he sent her something and she's thanking him. Then he starts talking flirtatiously with her and Jackie responds in the same manner.
If she harbored any thought that LBJ was behind it, how does that explain her reaction to LBJ on the phone?
Link:http://whitehousetapes.net/clip/lyndon-johnson-jacqueline-kennedy-lbj-and-jacqueline-kennedy
Kathy C
Hi KATHY; It is being reported now by abc that the original posting of that info was done and then picked up from a forum type site, and took off from there, this is about the latest, i am sure there will be much more coming.I'm waiting till I hear them like many others, and see a transcript, after the show, nothing is ever as whoop ti do, in all this as we are usually led to believe, anything for a head line with some, just wait for a bit longer they are to come out in SEPT.....take care b
http://www.bellingha...-tapes-not.html
Aug, 8, 2011
Secret Jackie Kennedy tapes not as sordid as reported, ABC says
By DEBORAH NETBURN / Los Angeles Times
LOS ANGELES -- The British newspaper the Daily Mail recently posted a story on its website claiming to have inside information on the secret tapes Jackie Kennedy made with historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. just months after her husband's death.
According to the Mail story, the tapes are filled with sordid information - including tales of the president's affair with a 19-year-old intern, Jackie Kennedy's belief that Lyndon Johnson and a cartel of Texas businessmen were responsible for John F. Kennedy's assassination, and stories of her own affair with the movie star William Holden.
The story quickly made the rounds of the Internet, but ABC, the network that actually has the tapes, dismissed the Mail's claims as bogus.
"The tabloid reports about the content of the tapes are totally erroneous," a spokesperson from ABC said in a statement. "ABC News isn't releasing any content from those tapes until mid-September, at which point it will be clear how off base these reports are."
The Mail updated the original story to include ABC's response, but did not remove the original story from its site.
Jackie Kennedy had requested that the tapes, which total eight hours and were made just four months after her husband was killed, not be released until 50 years after her death. But her daughter, Caroline Kennedy, agreed to let ABC have access to the tapes now - just 17 years after her mother's death. The network is putting together a "20/20" special with Diane Sawyer in which Americans will get to hear the tapes for the first time. It's scheduled to air in September.
The special will coincide with the release of a new book based partly on the tapes: "Jacqueline Kennedy: Historic Conversations on Life with John F. Kennedy." It has a forward by Caroline Kennedy and annotations by historian Michael Beschloss.
"It is a great privilege to be able to share these recollections with the millions of people who admire my parents. My mother took very seriously the obligation to preserve and document the history of my father's administration - and these interviews are the result. I am honored to play a small part in that effort by bringing them forward in connection with the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy administration," Caroline Kennedy told ABC News.
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Scott i have found another of Carriles, very small, with no notation of those with him..b fwiw perhaps you will know..??
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small comp of roger craig. and fritz's outter office..
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LUIS POSADA
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This is the latest email from Michelle Palmer. What do you think I should do?
If you do not delete the references to my name, my writing, and myblog, on both your website and the forum:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=147641
I'm contacting an attorney.
This is your only warning.
Sincerely,
Michelle Palmer
My immediate response was to leave the comments on the web page. I don't take kindly to being threatened. However, as several people have pointed out, the woman is clearly disturbed and we should not take advantage of this.
Email from Roger Craig's daughter:There are a few items in your article about Roger Craig you just might want to correct for the sake of accuracy and truth in reporting. i) His marriage didn't end due to repeated harassment or threats - unless you count his repeated threats to end his own life. ii) The man was disturbed. As his daughter I would place money on the fact that he suffered from either Borderline Personality Disorder or Bi-polar depression. Those last two attempts on his life? The husband of the woman he was fooling around with. Trust me, I met her AND her daughters before the bastard killed himself. The husband met him at the door with that shoulder shot.
Articles like yours only serve to continue the myth. My father was a disturbed man. I'm not disputing that what he thought he saw was something different than what was reported. But let's face it, my dad didn't know a Mauser from a whatever. He was a Wisconsin farmboy who joined the army illegally, and was released from duty because he kept injuring himself - I note you don't mention all the self-inflicted scars from his tour of duty. Furthermore, it is EXACTLY this kind of dramatic license that killed my father. It fed his disease. It fed his paranoia. And in the end, it contributed to his self-destruction. You should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating this garbage.
I have now removed all references to Craig's daughter on my webpage on Roger Craig. As you can from above, I was only doing what I was asked. You just cannot please some people.
ok just so everybody knows deanna and her mom changed there names not for privacy they were the ones paranoid our family never seen then or knew what there name were i personaly seen deanna at roger funeral in 75 and my moms im 79 and her and her mom wore shades and kept to themselves talk about paranoia what does that tell you about there mental states roger never hid BUT MOLLY AND DEANNA DID so think about that and see who was disturbed
Jerry; it wasn't a matter of roger being paranoid of they after him, following him etc...alone, if so, as his wife,i think his first was also positive she was being followed, i think her name was Hahn or similar at the time,see the documents below, that name in mentioned, i believe the information she related is after his death, when she was still in posession of his manuscript, his was discussed on rich's jfk forum at the time, and i believe that information came out..then again you would know the dates much better, than i or anyone, apparently, they, whomever were also sneaking around and continued to do so after ...i found these in a search a few years ago, within mary ferrell documents they may help in some way, to show that there were people after or at least following members of the family...and she had reported it to the police,...posted below, fwtaw..take care.. sorry the docs did not post 1 to 4, see the bottom of each to read in the correct order...b
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Lee,
I didn't say you claimed it was Craig.
I don't know for a fact that Craig ever sat down and identified himself either.
But Penn Jones knew Craig very well and he told me years ago (1976-77) that it was Craig. Also, Penn's Forgive My Grief 3 (revised) has great photo of Craig from the waist up from December of 1969. It's a dead ringer for the man identified as Craig in the Murray photos by Penn AND by Shaw and Harris (both of whom also knew Craig) in their book Cover-Ups. I've also seen other known photos of Craig and they match as well. Finally, video of Craig in Mark Lane's Two Men in Dallas matches up.
I've never heard of the man being identified as anjyone but Craig. He most certainly is thin enough (we are talking about the same man right, the man in the background in a suit, on the North side fo Elm, right?) I'd love to hear who they claim it is.
But, regardless, even if that man in Murray is not Craig, it STILL doesn't matter.
You see, Craig stated that he saw the rambler after Walthers came up to him on the North side of Elm, by the Fort Worth Turnpike sign and told him that a bullet had struck the curb on the south side of Elm. In the Murray photos, traffic is moving well, the "rambler" (behind the bus) is also moving well. But Walthers is still on the south side of Elm investigating the spot when the "rambler" is already headed down Elm. There is simply not enough time for time for Walthers to finish up, wait for traffic (which would include the passing "rambler", cross Elm, talk to Craig, and for Craig to cross to Elm – the car in question would already be well down Elm, likely out of Dealey Plaza.
Todd
I didn't claim that Craig is in the photograph.
I don't believe that that photograph is of Roger Craig in Murray and Allen, Todd. The guy is not thin enough and I IIRC other researchers have identified that man as somebody else. For me, it is the presence of the station wagon that is more significant and, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe Roger Craig ever identified himself as being that person in that particular photograph.
Certainly there are other witnesses.
However, the photos, Murray and Allen, show Craig on the North side of Elm and Walthers on the South side of Elm as the supposed rambler is visible coming down Elm. The problem is that Craig was very specific that Walthers came up to him while he (Craig) was on the North side of Elm and that he (Craig) then crossed over to the south side of Elm. It was while he was on the south side of Elm, looking to see where a bullet had struck, that he heard the whistle and saw the rambler. So the photos show that the timing is wrong for that car to be the rambler Craig saw.
Greg,
You wrote, "The fact is that Craig was a better witness, and there was infinitely more support (in both film and other witnesses) for his story than Mary's."
What "film", either still or motion, supports Craig's story and how?
Todd
Are you in agreement that there are witnesses that support Craig's story, Todd?
I think Greg is tucked up in bed right now but from my perspective the photographs of the station wagon on Elm and the Oswald lookalike walking down toward Elm Street past the concrete ornaments within the timeframes as detailed by Craig gives his story much more weight than Bledsoe's especially when combined with the addition of further corroborating witnesses.
Mary Bledsoe never proved she knew Oswald. I don't believe for a second that she was a "landlady" of anyone, let alone Oswald. I'd like to think that Police today are a little more rigorous in confirming relationships between people during criminal investigations rather than just taking one person's word for it.
If there was one other single witness on record that supported Mary's alleged relationship with Oswald then I would give it slightly more weight rather than shaking my head in utter disbelief. Her son may have been a good start. Or Cecil McWatters who remembered a lot about the events on his bus, but doesn't remember the memorable Mary.
Or then again, maybe he did...
FWIW...comp James Richards
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Chris; here's a short one, mentioning summers...fwiw...b
http://educationforu...?showtopic=9357
there is another thread titled..Altgens Malcolm Summers..Purvis..
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 but i cannot link to it...perhaps you can find in search i could not...b
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Sirhan Sirhan file now available at California State Archives
http://www.sacbee.co...alifornias.html
http://www.sos.ca.gov/admin/press-releases/2011/db11-030.pdf
I have noted a correction in my post , his second name was not Welcome,
i have omitted it, though that is how it was sent to me,it was in error, i thought it rather neat, but not true, so please correct if copied...take care all.thanks....b
The Difference
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
fwiw information from.......
OVERLOOKED MEDICAL EVIDENCE-RELATED GEMS
Compiled by Vince Palamara
vmplac@telerama.com
As of June - 2003, write Vince Palamara at vincebethel@yahoo.com
Dr. Charles Crenshaw---
Vindication:
WC references to his presence on 11/22/63: 6 H 40 (Baxter), 6 H 31-32
(McClelland), 6 H 80-81 (Salyer), 6 H 141 (Henchcliffe), 6 H 60
(Curtis)+15 H 761: index;
:-) :-) :-) Completely overlooked WC reference to his presence on
11/24/63: 21 H 265(report by Parkland Administrator Charles
Price)---"Dr. Charles Crenshaw was in the corridor and said they had
been alerted. He said, 'You're not going to put him [Oswald] in the same
room the President was in, are you?' told him I surely was glad he
had thought of it and by all means, not to.";
January 1964 "Texas State Journal of Medicine" article entitled "Three
Patients at Parkland", p. 72---"Dr. Jenkins recalls that the following
physicians were members of the resuscitation team: Drs. Jenkins and
Akin…Drs. Gerry Gustafson, Dale Coln, and Charles Crenshaw, all
residents in surgery, who were prepared to introduce cannulae into the
veins via cutdowns or percutaneous puncture…three members of the staff
were performing venous cutdowns, one in each lower extremity and one in
the left forearm. These were performed by Drs. Coln, Crenshaw, and
Gustafson."
???---
Geraldo's "Now It Can Be Told", 4/2/92 (excerpt inc. on James Fetzer's
video "JFK: The Assassination, The Cover-Up, and Beyond", 1994; see p.
93 of Michael; Benson's "Who's Who on the JFK Assassination")--- G.
Robert Blakey of the HSCA makes the claim that they did talk to Crenshaw
but he "was not the best witness" (?);
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vindication re: Dr. Williams---
some have doubted he was there...
21 H 215 (Nurse Bertha Lozano's report)---"Then the president's body was
escorted out. The crowd vanished, and then I felt so confused that I
just had to leave the desk for a few minutes. I later went to the dining
room with Pat Hutton AND A DR. WILLIAMS and had coffee and afterwards,
went home."
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Maybe Burkley wasn't all bad---
22 H 93-97: 11/27/63 report of his activities surrounding the
assassination of JFK [see also Manchester, p. 670]---(22 H 94 and
97)"[at Parkland]It was evident that death was imminent and that he was
in a hopeless condition."; [at Bethesda]"…his appearance in the casket
gave no evidence of the injury he had received.": perhaps because the
wound was in the BACK of the head?
11/22/63 Press Conference by Asst. WH Press sec. Mac Kilduff (please see
"Best Evidence", pp. 330-331 and photo 28 [Kilduff Press Conference,
11/22/63, Transcript 1327B-LBJ Library; USSS RIF# 154-10002-10194]: "Dr.
Burkley told me, it is a simple matter, Tom, of a bullet right through
the head": he then points to his right temple! Question: "can you say
where the bullet entered his head, Mac?" "It is my understanding that it
entered in the temple, the right temple."; "They [the shots] came from
the right side." [see Thomas Atkins' film clip as shown in "The Men Who
Killed Kennedy", "The Jim Garrison Tapes" video 1992, "JFK: The Case for
Conspiracy" video 1993, "High Treason 2", p. 290, Groden's "TKOAP", p.
59; "POTP", p. 408] This information was repeated by Chet Huntley on NBC
that day: ""President Kennedy, we are now informed, was shot in the
right temple. 'It was a simple matter of a bullet right through the
head,' said Dr. George Burkley, the White House medical officer." [NBC
video, 11/22/63, 1:47 p.m. CST; clip repeated in Prof. James Fetzer's
video "JFK: The Assassination, The Cover-Up, and Beyond"];
"Reasonable Doubt", p. 49 (1982 interview by Henry Hurt+letters of
10/6/82 and 10/14/82)---believed that President Kennedy's assassination
was the result of a conspiracy;
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Larry O'Brien: overlooked---
His book entitled "No Final Victories: A Life in Politics from John F.
Kennedy to Watergate" (1974) [see also "Reflections on JFK's
Assassiantion" by John B. Jovich (1988), pages 35 and 37]---At Parkland
Hospial: "It was chaotic, doctors, nurses running in and out. Medical
equipment being wheeled into the room. At one point Jackie and I stepped
into the adjoining room where the President's body lay. All I recall is
***I thought he looked as he always had.***"
MAYBE BECAUSE THE DAMAGE WAS TO THE REAR OF THE HEAD?
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Dave Powers...no, not him, too?!---
Interviewed for Ralph Martin's "A Hero For Our Time" (1983): see esp.
pages 519 and 545---Powers appears strongly to be the source for the
following sentence: "The third shot tore off the ***top back half of his
head "and we could see the hair and all the stuff go right up in the
air", an aide said."***;
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Elizabeth Wright, WIFE of O.P. Wright---
21 H 198: page from lengthy/ 10-page (21 H 193-202) 12/11/63 report on
activities 11/22-11/24/63 [see also Manchester, p. 675]---"Mr. Wright
had somewhere down the line asked me if I could ascertain the path of
the bullet---or bullets---determine the path, and find out where the
instrument of injury actually was." (!);
Chief of Security O.P. Wright--
21 H 229-332: report of activities 11/22/63---NOTHING about CE399!
Part 4 of "CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report" 6/28/67 [see also "Post
Mortem", p. 46]---"...I got hold of a Secret Service man and THEY[sic?]
didn't seem to be interested in coming and looking at the bullet in the
position it was in then. So I went back to the area where Mr. Tomlinson
was and picked up the bullet and put it in my pocket, and I carried it
some 30 or 40 minutes. And I gave it to a Secret Service man that was
guarding the main door into the emergency room...";
for more on this issue, see-
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara.htm
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DR. WILLIAM ZEDLITZ'S PRESENCE AT PARKLAND HOSPITAL ON NOVEMBER 22,
1963, AS VERIFIED BY DR. MARTIN G. WHITE (WARREN COMMISSION VOLUME 6,
PAGE 83): Arlen Specter: "And what doctors were present at the time you
left the room?" Dr. White: "Well, it would be impossible for me to tell
you all the people that were there, but I knew Dr. Carrico, Dr. Baxter,
Dr. Perry, and Dr. Zedelitz, Z-e-d-e-l-i-t-z (spelling)---I know they
were there." Arlen Specter: "Doctor who---what is his first name?" Dr.
White: "William Zedelitz." Arlen Specter: "To what extent did he
participate?" Dr. White: "I don't believe that he did any---I don't know
what he did other than the fact that when I was doing the cutdown he
assisted me by just placing some tape over the catheters we used to do
this with." Arlen Specter: "Is he an intern as you are?" Dr. White: "He
is a surgical resident here at this hospital." [This is the reason why
no one has ever contacted him before---he misspelled his last name!]
11/4/98 mletter from Dr. William Zedlitz to Vince Palamara---
"At first glance the president seemed to be in extremely serious
condition as he was not responding to any of the stimuli around him, and
obviously had a massive head injury to the right occipito-parietal area
(right posterior-lateral) of his cranium. This area was a mass of bloody
tissue with multiple skin, hair, and bony fragments matted together with
blood and brain tissue and covered an area approximately ten by twelve
centimeters in diameter. His left eye also seemed to be bulging from his
eyesocket. At this point, Dr. Carrico indicated that he was unable to
effectively ventilate the patient via the endotracheal tube. Dr. Baxter
and Perry immediately began to perform a tracheostomy. Prior to making
the incision, it was noted that a small (5mm to 7mm) hole in the front
of the neck below the thyroid cartilage was present. This was in the
exact location where the tracheostomy was to be performed. Dr. Baxter
and Perry decided to do the procedure by extending the transverse
incision on either side of this hole so that the tracheostomy tube ended
up being inserted in the site of the former hole."
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Robert E. Schorlemer, M.D.---
"I was a senior medical student making rounds in the E.R. (at Parkland
Hospital) with second-year surgery resident, Dr. James Carrico, to
evaluate who was to be admitted from the night-shift holdovers. We were
moving from one stall to another when we heard banging of doors from the
triage station at the front of the ER. Shortly thereafter, we heard
screaming from the front asking for more stretchers, and right after
that Gov. Connally was pushed through the hall door on a gurney. He was
wearing a gray silk suit with alligator shoes and was moaning and
gasping for air.
Red Duke, the chief resident in surgery manning the ER, jumped up
from the nurses' station, and we all moved into ER operating room #1 to
take care of him. I opened his shirt to see a chest wound on his right
side sucking air. Red directed that a Vaseline gauze pad be placed over
the wound to help seal the pneumothorax that was
produced by this until they could get a chest tube placed. I did this.
At that point, Jim
Carrico said, "Let's go to the next room to get ready for the next case
coming in."
As we walked out of the room, President Kennedy was wheeled into the
hallway
separating the two rooms. In my disbelief, I figured that this had to be
his double as no one could believe that the president could be placed in
such jeopardy. As one could see, half of the calivarium of the skull had
been blown away with the underlying brain exposed and the flap produced
lying behind his head. Some agonal movements were being made, and Jim
directed that I get the IV started while he tried to intubate him. His
comment was, "Boy, I'm lucky to have been able to intubate him because
the trachea was severed by one of the bullets."
http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/jfk/index.html
[memories: San Antonio/ Houston]
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Dr. Donald Curtis---
9/30/98 letter to Vince Palamara---"1. The wound involving the right
posterior lateral surface of the skull appeared to me to be an exit
wound or a tangential entrance wound. 2. I am unaware as to the details
of the "official story" therefore I am unable to comment on my
interpretation."
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Dr. Donald Seldin---
8/27/98 letter to Vince Palamara---"The bullet struck the President in
the forehead and literally exploded in his skull, so that the entire
frontal, parietal and temporal bones were shattered…I believe that the
official story is accurate in all details." [!]
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FOR THE DYING/ "DEAD" AGENT, PERHAPS?---
Nurse Bertha Lozano:
21 H 213-215: report of activities 11/22-11/24/63 [see also Manchester,
p. 672]---"…obtained a carriage from Booth #5, with the help of Dr. Bill
Midgett who helped me roll it out to the entrance."; SEPARATE from JFK
and Connally: "A technician came to the desk and asked me to expect a
private pateint who was bleeding…Blood technicians came to ask me who
"Mr. X" was who did not have an E.R. number. Hematology also came with
the same problem and was told the same thing."
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Milton T. Wright, Jr. :Texas Highway Patrolman(driver of Mayor Cabell's
car):
a) 18 H 802: report dated 11/28/63---"At the hospital we unloaded the
Governor first and then the President. Then we were instructed to keep
the news media away from the car."---nothing specific about the wounds;
President from the car to the stretcher. As I recall about a 1/4
[quarter] of his head was missing, mostly to the left of the back of the
head. I believe he died instantly from the wound I saw.";
c) 9/3/98 e-mail to Vince Palamara---" the wound was left ear to back of
head, generally."
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Dr. Robert Shaw: did he work for LIFE???---
11/29/63 "Houston Post"---"The assassin was behind him[JFK], yet the
bullet entered at the front of his neck. Mr. Kennedy must have turned to
his left to talk to Mrs. Kennedy or to wave to someone."...
12/6/63 "Life Magazine" article by Paul Mandel:
"the 8 mm. film shows the President turning his body far around to the
right as he waves to someone in the crowd. His throat is
exposed---towards the sniper's nest---just before he clutches it."
(reproduced in "Reasonable Doubt" by Henry Hurt)]
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Evelyn Lincoln & Bill Greer: Parkland autopsy???---
Lincoln:
4/21/91 interview with Harry Livingstone for "High Treason 2", pp.
435-437---"…I remember coming into Parkland Hospital, and Dr. Burkley
telling me that he [JFK] had gone, and Jackie was sitting outside of the
place where he was being kept---they were doing the autopsy or whatever
they were doing, and I went up to her and tried to console her."; "I
never looked at any of that [the autopsy materials]. Nothing. I kept it,
and then Bobby [Kennedy] moved it into another room. It was all sealed
up. I never saw any of it…I had no access to it."; "It was a conspiracy.
There was no doubt about that...J. Edgar Hoover was involved in it.";
"Bloody Treason" by Noel Twyman, p. 831 and
"Assassination Science" by James Fetzer,p. 372: 10/7/94 letter to
Richard Duncan---"As for the assassination is concerned [sic] it is my
belief that there was a conspiracy because there were those that
disliked him and felt the only way to get rid of him was to assassinate
him. These five conspirators , in my opinion, were Lyndon B. Johnson, J.
Edgar Hoover, the Mafia, the CIA, and the Cubans in Florida. The House
Intelligence Committee investigation, also, came to the conclusion that
there was a conspiracy."[Lincoln conveyed the same thoughts to Anthony
Summers: see "The Fourth Decade" journal, May 1998 issue, p. 14];
Greer:
"The Asheville (NC) Citizen-Times", 11/6/83 interview of Greer (see
"High Treason 2", p. 572 [Palamara provided this to the author] and "The
Third Alternative-Survivor's Guilt; The Secret Service and the JFK
Murder" by Vince Palamara, p. 22)- "I stayed with (JFK) through the
examination and then through the autopsy, and was with him when they put
his body in the coffin and took him to Air Force One."
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Secret Service agent Andy Berger: FBI & CIA at Parkland---
18 H 795: Secret Service agent Andy Berger (who would go on to drive the
hearse containing JFK's body out of Parkland) reported of meeting the
following persons at Parkland Hospital shortly after the assassination:
a. FBI agent Vincent Drain (sent via Hoover!), the same agent who would
go on to accompany Agent Lawson during the transfer of critical
assassination evidence later on that weekend;
b. "a doctor friend of (Drain)" ;
c. an "unidentified CIA agent" who had credentials (like the FBI man
sent by Hoover, how could the CIA agent get to the Dallas hospital so
soon after the murder?);
[see Bill Sloan's "Breaking the Silence", pp. 181-185###; "The Man
Who Knew Too Much", numerous--see esp. pages 570-571 [see also "Who's
Who in the JFK Assassination" by Michael Benson (1993), pp. 40-41])]
### March 1993 interview of Parkland Hospital Chief telephone operator
Phyllis Bartlett ("JFK: Breaking The Silence", p. 185)---"…Ms.
Bartlett…recalled conversing at the time of the assassination with a man
fitting Hugh Howell's description. "My little office was overflowing
with as many as fifty people at once back then," she said, "but I do
remember talking to a short man with a crewcut who identified himself in
that capacity [CIA], and I do believe he said his name was Howell.";
d. an "unidentified FBI agent" [J. Doyle Williams]who did not have
credentials.;
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Another "J.D."...and this one ain't Tippit...
Nurse "J.D.", from San Angelo, Texas:
Page 69 of Abigail ("Dear Abby") Van Buren's 1993 book entitled "Where
were you when President Kennedy was Shot?" [all writers were shielded
with anonymity via initials]---"When Kennedy was shot, I was at
Parkland---a student nurse. I heard all the department chiefs being
paged. I saw all the press buses arriving; watched the E.R. grow
crowded; saw Jackie in her bloodstained pink suit. Thirty years later, I
find it hard to believe I was there.";
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Brad Parker has learned that the article, "Three Patients at Parkland",
while based on the
original reports made by the Parkland doctors, incorporated subtle
changes which he was
told were made by none other than Dr. Marion Jenkins! EXAMPLE---
WR 526-527 / 17 H 11-12 / CE 392: Dr. Robert McClelland's report written
11/22/63---"…a
massive gunshot wound of the head with a fragment wound of the
trachea…The cause of
death was due to massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of
the left temple.";
d) January 1964 Texas State Journal of Medicine article "Three Patients
at Parkland", p.
63---repeats the gist of his 11/22/63 report, but with one change"…a
massive gunshot
wound of the head with a fragment wound of the trachea…The cause of
death was due to
massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the ***right side
of the head.***"
Re: Parkland Hospital circa 1963-1964: "It is adjacent to and is the
major teaching hospital
for the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School. It is staffed
by the faculty of the
medical school and has 150 interns and residents in all medical
specialties." ("Texas State
Journal of Medicine", January 1964, Vol. 60, p. 61)
[i have over 175---see below]
January 1964 Texas State Journal of Medicine article "Three Patients at
Parkland", p.
73---"The [Oswald] operating team consisted of Drs. Shires, McClelland,
Perry, and Jones.
The anesthesia team consisted of Drs. Akin, Jenkins, and Dr. Harlan
Pollock, resident on
anesthesiology."
9/8/98 letter from Dr. Donald Jackson [21 H 171, 205, 215] to Vince
Palamara---"I continue
to be dissatisfied with the explanation of the Warren Commission. The
reason for my
skepticism is linked to discrepancies in descriptions of the Kennedy
wounds between the
Parkland Emergency Room and the autopsy findings. Drs. McClelland,
Perry, and Jenkins
gave accurate descriptions of the wounds as they saw them in the
Emergency Room.";
9/8/98 letter from Dr. William Risk ["JFK: Conspiracy of Silence", p.
183; 3 H 384; January
1964 Texas State Journal of Medicine article "Three Patients at
Parkland", pages 72 and 73
re: involvement in treatment of LHO; "The Search For Lee Harvey Oswald"
by Robert Groden
(1995), p. 202]to Vince Palamara---"...as a physician, I have the
feeling there was more
than one "shooter" and more than one bullet involved because of the
nature of the wounds.
I would suggest that, if you have not already done so, you get a copy of
an article from the
Journal of the Texas Medical Association, January 1964, entitled "Three
Patients at
Parkland." This article is a MEDICAL version of those days. The wounds
described there, to
me, suggest entrance and exit wounds which differ from the "one bullet
theory."
9/98 letter from Dr. Adolph Giesecke to Vince Palamara---"I did not
examine the President's
head and should never have said anything about the wounds. (I testified
to the Warren
Commission that the wound was on the left side. That was obviously
wrong)…I hope you
become convinced that there was only one gunman, Oswald, and all entry
wounds were from
the rear." [!] Ironically, Giesecke included with his letter a photocopy
of the "Three Patients
At Parkland" article that includes medical information that greatly
contradicts this view.
Vince
More irony:
8/26/98 letter from Dr. Malcolm Perry to Vince Palamara---"I did not
inspect the head
wound---I was much too busy. The only person who carefully evaluated the
head wound was
Dr. Kemp Clark, Chief of Neurosurgery (no one could be better
qualified). His testimony (and
mine) is in the Warren Report. His findings are consistent with those
described by Dr.
Hume et al during the autopsy."
PERRY, BEFORE POSNER GOT TO HIM:
a) WR 521-522/ 17 H 6-7/ CE392: report written 11/22/63---"A large wound
of the right
posterior cranium…";
419-427; silent
film clip used in "Reasonable Doubt" (1988), "20/20" (4/92),
etc.]---"There was an entrance
wound in the neck…It appeared to be coming at him…The wound appeared to
be an entrance
wound in the front of the throat; yes, that is correct. The exit wound,
I don't know. It could
have been the head or there could have been a second wound of the head."
(apparently,
based off this conference, the Associated Press dispatch on 11/22/63
stated that Dr. Perry
"said the entrance wound was in the front of the head," while all the AP
wires for this day
stated that JFK had a large hole in the "back" of his head.);
c) UPI report published in the "New York World Telegram & Sun", 11/22/63
(see also the
11/23/63 "San Francisco Chronicle" [Groden's "TKOAP", p. 76])---"There
was an entrance
wound below his Adam's apple. There was another wound in the back of his
head.";
d) Filmed interview by Bob Welch, WBAP-TV/ NBC (Texas News), 11/23/63
[available on the
video "Kennedy In Texas" (1984) and, in edited form, on "The Two
Kennedys" (1976)]---"He
had a severe, lethal wound"; "There was a neck wound anteriorly and a
large wound of his
head in the right posterior area."; "passage of the bullet through the
neck"; "chest tubes
were put in place"; mentions the presence of Drs. Seldin and Bashour
[this was the second
conference that weekend---21 H 265: "this was a final conference to give
reporters who had
missed earlier conferences a chance to hear from (the) medical team and
to answer their
questions."];
AND
DR. KEMP CLARK:
a) WR 516-518/ 17 H 1-3 / CE 392 [undated summary; see also 21 H 150-152
:Clark's
11/23/63 report to Admiral Burkley with the verbatim summary . In
addition, see
"Assassination Science", pp. 416-418: this is an FBI report dated
11/25/63 which includes
the verbatim summary to Burkley from 11/23/63]---"..in the occipital
region of the skull…";
"There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region…"; "Both
cerebral and
cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound.";
President was
bleeding profusely from the back of the head . There was a large (3 x 3
cm) remnant of
cerebral tissue present…there was a smaller amount of cerebellar tissue
present also";
"There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into
the parietal
region…";
c) Parkland Press conference, 11/22/63, 3:16 PM CST ["Assassination
Science", pp. 427]---"
A missile had gone in or out of the back of his head…the back of his
head…I was busy with
his head wound…The head wound could have been either the exit wound from
the neck or it
could have been a tangential wound, as it was simply a large, gaping
loss of tissue.";
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10/13/98 letter from Dr. Ronald Jones to Vince Palamara----"I recently
testified on August
27, 1998 before the Assassination Review Panel regarding several issues
including these
that you ask. I was located on the left side of President Kennedy, the
region of his left
chest, where I inserted the left chest tube and did a cut down on the
left arm to place an IV
line. As a result I did not have clear view of the back side of the head
wound. President
Kennedy had very thick dark hair that covered the injured area. In my
opinion it was in the
occipital area in the back of the head. Because the scalp partially
covered the wound I
cannot give an exact size of the defect in the skull. There was no
obvious injury to the face.
The wound in the neck was very small, perhaps no larger than 1/4 of an
inch and the wound
in the back of the head was much larger. It was for this reason that I
initially thought that
the injury to the neck was an entrance wound. During the time the
President was at
Parkland Hospital the physicians did not roll him over after he was
pronounced dead and
thus did not appreciate the wound in the back which was discovered at
autopsy."
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>From Life, Nov 1983 v6 p48(24) 4 days that stopped America; the Kennedy
assassination, 20 years later. Doris G. Kinney; Marcia Smith; Penny
Ward Moser.----
At 1:15 Doris Nelson was eating lunch with other nurses in
the Parkland Hospital cafeteria. "We were talking
about what would happen if the President was in a car
wreck
or something," she remembers. "I said they'd
never bring him here, they'd take him to a hospital in
town." When Nelson returned to the emergency room, the
phone was ringing. "It was the switchboard operator. she
said, 'Doris, the President's been shot, and he'll be
here in five minutes.' I said, 'Yes, Phyllis [bartlett],
so what else
is new?'" At first, nobody believed Nelson either. "By the
time I got two doctors and the head nurse convinced, they
were rolling him down the hall." Nelson was
emergency room supervisor. "As I looked around, I didn't
see anyone from the higher echelon in the hospital,
so I thought, 'Doris, you've got it.'" Connally came
first.
"He had been pretty badly wounded, and his skin was
real pale. So I just ripped off his shirt to see where the
injuries were. I put him in Trauma Two. Right behind
him came the President. Jackie was walking beside him. A
rose was lying across the stretcher. I put him in
Trauma One." While physicians hovered over the President,
Nelson stood at the door, screening the flow of
nurses, doctors and Secret Service agents. "At one point,
Jackie decided to go into the room when they were
doing a tracheotomy on him. I though it was not in her
best
interest or in the best interest of the patient or the
physicians. I suggested she wait outside. But the agent in
charge said that if she wished to go in, that was her
prerogative." Nelson was impressed by the First Lady.
"Amazed at how poised she was. I asked her if she
would like to remove her gloves and wash her hands, and
she
said, 'No, thank you, I'm fine.' She seemed
almost in a trance.c Nelson herself was on automatic
pilot.
"About an hour after it was over, someone brought
me a cup of coffee. My hands started shaking so, I
couldn't
hold it. That's when it hit me." (Doris Nelson dies
last month of liver cander at 52, shortly after she gave
this interview.)
In the same article, Nurse Nelson showed a LIFE photographer the
location of the head wound:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/nelson.jpg
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