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    Altgens 6 LARGE as originally downloaded from Corbis ( Last Chance )

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    quote '' likely it took five seconds of discussions before the SS decided they needed to cover the president'' ss roberts in the queen mary certainly never did send them to cover the President, in fact when ss Ready tried to leave as did Hill...AIC Roberts called him back... .....http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/03-VP.html

    Robin, thanks again for the Altgens, beautiful take....b

    South Knoll Witness: Mr. Plumlee

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    ]darn, it worked for me, i will have another scout around...b......doug there is another thread here on the forum, that jack and others relate what tom found within the cancellare, have not had time yet to check the info in the threads to try to find it, but will have a go.best b

    Parts 1-6 still work on the Mary Ferrell site. Parts 7-9 do not due "to an A&E copyright claim."

    I think you can still find parts 7-9 on YouTube by Googling: The Men Who Killed Kennedy Part 7 etc.

    thank you michael, hope your well...take care..b

    South Knoll Witness: Mr. Plumlee

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    tony try......;;

    http://video.google....845631&q=&hl=en# http://www.impiousdi...rectlink&id=238

    b

    Doug here is the Wilson thread, hopefully it is the one that contains info on the Cancellare, about what he found...b

    http://educationforu...showtopic=14895 New book...A DEEPER DARKER TRUTH - The Education Forum

    here is the original thread re tom;s work...http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9508

    thanks..b http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9508

    South Knoll Witness: Mr. Plumlee

    in JFK Assassination Debate

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    Bernice, A&E put a copyright block on Mary Ferrell's access to "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ~ just tried to watch it. Tony

    My complete thanks for these photos ~ to an expert! TD
    here are just a few of the photo information that may help to clarify for you..b the photo with the writing and drawing on it, they were made by Tosh, some years back...of him and Sergio's approximate spot..at the time..
    your welcome Tony, Doug, hi, i will see if i can put my hands on the book, and will have a look..if i only knew where exactly it was,:blink: in the many manys, here we go again.thanks, take good care, so good to see you here, and posting..it has .been so very long..best b tom worked on the south side elm sewer opening,but i will check the book.... [[ posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk 11-22-96 by: Daeron <STAHLP@IX.NETCOM.COM>]] "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------ The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for information every step of the way. There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who - through their investigations, research, released information - have shed light on the dark corners of this event/ The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and photonics techniques in the stell industry. He has now applied this techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques- the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his work seriously or at least tried to replicate it. He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery. However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head shot). This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in 1992, who found: a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade. :lol: the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23 minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making his way clear and free. The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime, with the perpetrators getting away scott free. After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the rear). His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake' material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there. Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes. i think A DEEPER DARKER TRUTH is the 6th part in the men WKK..ERROR

    http://www.maryferre..._Killed_Kennedy

    <DIV>.IT IS THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE</DIV> 6TH PART..

    South Knoll Witness: Mr. Plumlee

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    Bernice, A&E put a copyright block on Mary Ferrell's access to "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ~ just tried to watch it. Tony

    My complete thanks for these photos ~ to an expert! TD
    here are just a few of the photo information that may help to clarify for you..b the photo with the writing and drawing on it, they were made by Tosh, some years back...of him and Sergio's approximate spot..at the time..
    your welcome Tony, Doug, hi, i will see if i can put my hands on the book, and will have a look..if i only knew where exactly it was,:blink: in the many manys, here we go again.thanks, take good care, so good to see you here, and posting..it has .been so very long..best b tom worked on the south side elm sewer opening,but i will check the book.... [[ posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk 11-22-96 by: Daeron <STAHLP@IX.NETCOM.COM>]] "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------ The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for information every step of the way. There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who - through their investigations, research, released information - have shed light on the dark corners of this event/ The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and photonics techniques in the stell industry. He has now applied this techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques- the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his work seriously or at least tried to replicate it. He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery. However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head shot). This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in 1992, who found: a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade. :lol: the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23 minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making his way clear and free. The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime, with the perpetrators getting away scott free. After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the rear). His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake' material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there. Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes. i think A DEEPER DARKER TRUTH is the 6th part in the men WKK..ERROR

    http://www.maryferre..._Killed_Kennedy

    <DIV>.IT IS THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE</DIV> 6TH PART..

    darn, it worked for me, i will have another scout around...b......doug there is another thread here on the forum, that jack and others relate what tom found within the cancellare, have not had time yet to check the info in the threads to try to find it, but will have a go.best b

    South Knoll Witness: Mr. Plumlee

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    My complete thanks for these photos ~ to an expert! TD
    here are just a few of the photo information that may help to clarify for you..b the photo with the writing and drawing on it, they were made by Tosh, some years back...of him and Sergio's approximate spot..at the time..
    your welcome Tony, Doug, hi, i will see if i can put my hands on the book, and will have a look..if i only knew where exactly it was,:blink: in the many manys, here we go again.thanks, take good care, so good to see you here, and posting..it has .been so very long..best b tom worked on the south side elm sewer opening,but i will check the book.... [[ posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk 11-22-96 by: Daeron <STAHLP@IX.NETCOM.COM>]] "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------ The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for information every step of the way. There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who - through their investigations, research, released information - have shed light on the dark corners of this event/ The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and photonics techniques in the steel industry. He has now applied this techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques- the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his work seriously or at least tried to replicate it. He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery. However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head shot). This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in 1992, who found: a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade. :lol: the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23 minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making his way clear and free. The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime, with the perpetrators getting away scott free. After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the rear). His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake' material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there. Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes. i think A DEEPER DARKER TRUTH is the 6th part in the men WKK..ERROR

    http://www.maryferre..._Killed_Kennedy

    <DIV>.IT IS THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE</DIV> 6TH PART..

    South Knoll Witness: Mr. Plumlee

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    Bernice, I'm new here and defer to expertise when I encounter it ~ yours. Thank you for the thread. Tony DeFiore

    HEY THERE DOUG, GOOD TO SEE YOU.......there are a couple of threads that Tosh replied in, on the south side,with much of his information shared, here is one such, a search will inevitably turn up tother......b

    http://educationforu...opic=15526&st=0 SOUTH KNOLL #2 -

    YOUR WELCOME .....I KNOW A BIT ABOUT MUCH WITHIN, I GUESS, AT TIMES WHEN THE GREY CELLS ARE WORKING, BUT AM NOT AN EXPERT ON ANY....:blink:specifically,i suppose i could be called a pack rat..expert, perhaps.. :lol: .thanks b..

    South Knoll Witness: Mr. Plumlee

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    my understanding is that he walked down from where he stood along a path about halfway up the slope diagonally up to the tracks around the abutment across the rails and to the carpark beyond.

    FWIW; John, i cannot come up with the other link but, i find many i have copied, many posts within the files, here is a reply to you from Tosh, dated Oct 22.06.this may explain for some, exactly what he stated,,,b

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    Mary Moorman, age 78, to speak on JFK assassination

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    Don, that'll teach you to agree with me anytime, when Pat's around:lol: :lol: ..:blink: ...thanks..............see we are known :ph34r:not to..:blink:in the past....like hardly ever..... :lol: :lol: ... have a good day gentlemen...b..ps kellerman mentions after shots into the limo..

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkellerman.htm However, Kellerman did provided evidence that suggested that more than three shots were fired at President John F. Kennedy. He told the Warren Commission that after the first shot was fired "a flurry of shells come into the car". He also claimed that he had seen film that argued against the idea of a lone gunman. However, it appeared that members of the Warren Commission did not want to hear about this and the questioning quickly moved on to another topic.

    Recollections of Abraham Bolden

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    I agree.

    It is so unbeleivably unfortunate that:

    1.) Garrison's files were lost or buried or stolen

    2.) Edwin Black's 1975 masterly article was not widely circulated

    3.) The HSCA (there is no other way to say it) covered up the Chicago Plot

    This all contributed to the very late but great contribution that Bolden's story made.

    Then to top it off, what Waldron and Hartmann did with Black was a disgrace. They deliberately tried to mislead about Black's article and then made sure you would never find it in its original form in Chicago Independent.

    I think what Bolden was put through shows just how malignant a cover up the WC actually was. These guys were not playing slo pitch, they were playing hardball. They had an agenda, and they were going to stick to it. And no honest Secret Service agent was going to mess it up.

    But imagine if Bolden had been allowed to speak in public about what he knew! I mean would that have shaken things up? THey had tried to kill JFK in Chicago three weeks earlier suing the same kind of scenario with a patsy almost eerily parallel to Oswald? ANd they covered it up?

    IF they had not, Dallas very likely may not have happened. Since the plots and patsys were so similar that if the SS and FBI had all the info in advance, they had to have realized that the TSBD or Dal Tex building would have paralleled the warehouse on Jackson in Chicago. Plus, Oswald was just too close in profile to Vallee not to be picked up.

    Now we have Black's article, Bolden's book and the work of Jim Douglass to fill this all in.

    quote; Edwin Black's 1975 masterly article was not widely circulated ''.........Jim is this article still available, the connection to len's pdf copy does not load any longer, .....THANKS....B

    Mary Moorman, age 78, to speak on JFK assassination

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    John ''One of the themes of the May 24 interview, it seemed to me, was discrediting Jean Hill. I know many find her a problematic witness. I don’t have a strong opinion about her. Haven’t read The Last Dissenting Witness."" iMO there has been much of using Mary's information to discredit Jean Hill's, too much so, thereby using both of them to bolster up, whomevers theory of what happened, Mary has been treated very gently i shall put it, imo, in the research, this i think is the first time i have seen a discussion on the information that Mary also as many witnesses did, down through the years changed part of her recall, they are not allowed to change one sylable, apparently, and some will jump immediately in to protect her with their excuses of the why, as both the zappy film and the moorman photo's information is at stake, and again no new information uncovered can be allowed, all must stay as set in cement, no further research it seems is allowed.if you do, be prepared to be downed..I think it was David that mentioned about Jack, I imagine he's peaking in, if not he will be soon, and hopefully, his many cents will be very welcome, to see an old warrior back and in shape, get well soon Jack, missing you, and needing you..best b :)

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