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    THE TUNNELS UNDER DALLAS

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    Jim here is the information on Jack Brazil, that is available, what this information on the Dallas Tunnels does, is prove that Jack Brazil and Penn Jones as well as Jim Garrison who sent men into the area to check the North side overpass drain, were correct ..as well as the north drain being accessible for such, possible....and those that for years have insulted their efforts within their research are and have been proven very wrong in their assumptions.....there is also information on the adventures of Penn within his books and i believe i may have some i will have a look, thanks for your interest.

    see below a garrison man 1967...at the north side drain examining it..as well as Penn and Groden, and one of Jack's men coming out of the huge sewer opening that day...and yes, a tv crew was at Dealey that day and filmed the men, and it was shown on local tv that evening, but it has never surfaced, i tried well .we did a few years back to find Jack but to no avail..for now....thanks...b

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    Buell Wesley Frazier

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    FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

    Date 11/23/63

    LINNIE MAE RANDLE, 2439 West Fifth Street, Irving, Texas, phone Blackburn 3-8965, was interviewed at the Dallas Police Department.

    RANDLE advised that she is the sister of BUELL WESLEY FRAZIER, who is employed by the Texas School Book Depository and resides at her residence, stated that she met LEE HARVEY OSWALD through her brother, and has known OSWALD and his wife for about six weeks. RANDLE advised that OSWALD's wife is MARINA OSWALD, who resides at 2515 W. Fifth, Irving, Texas, and that OSWALD spends the weekends with his wife at the above mentioned address. Her brother, WESLEY FRAZIER, customarily drives LEE HARVEY OSWALD to 2515 West Fifth, Irving, Texas, on Friday night, and takes him back to work on Monday morning. He stated that OSWALD is also employed at the Texas School Book Depository.

    On the night of November 21, 1963, she observed FRAZIER letting LEE HARVEY OSWALD out of FRAZIER's car at 2515 West Fifth. Subsequently, she asked FRAZIER why OSWALD was visiting his wife on Thursday evening, as he usually did not visit her until Friday evening each week. FRAZIER told her that OSWALD claimed he was visiting his wife the night of November 21, 1963, because he is fixing up his apartment and RUTH PAINE, with whom his wife resides at 2515 West Fifth, Irving, was going to give him some curtain rods.

    RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile. Thereafter, she observed OSWALD walk to the front, or entrance area, of her residence where he waited for FRAZIER to come out of the house and give him a ride to work.

    RANDLE stated while at the Dallas Police Department on the evening of November 22, 1963, officers of the Dallas Police Department had exhibited to her some brown package paper, however she had not been able to positively identify it as being identical with the above-mentioned brown package, due to the fact she had only observed the brown package from her residence window at a distance.

    on 11/22/63 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 89-43

    by Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUT/cah/tjd

    Date dictated 11/23/63

    http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/randl_l1.htm

    Political killings

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    Apparently not, Ian...even though some seem to swear to such, or condescend when such is hinted at....though it appears some may have learnt a little something though...''The tapes also show police outfitting Ray in a bulletproof vest to ensure that unlike John F Kennedy's assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, he would make it to trial alive''

    thanks..b

    A Shot from The Left

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    Correct David, also the Harper fragment was found more towards the centre of the park, i believe...this area i have always found interesting, a possible north or south drain shot from the overpass.....thanks, for now...b David here is a wee bit further in the text from Jerry Dealey...re the south side overpass shot...fyi...b.

    ''There were 2 Dallas Police Officers stationed on the Underpass, but

    they were down at the Main St (middle) and Elm St end. A shooter in

    the angle would have been sheltered from them and the 20-30 railroad

    workers up there, and have access to the Postal Annex parking lot..''

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    How many rifles were found on the 6th floor?

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    Interesting that it says "LEE" in handwritting... when if we are to accept Armstrong's premise... HARVEY here is making an interesting statement....

    B, do you know when he got the bracelet and whether HE engraves it or it was done for him by ???

    Thanks

    DJ

    it states that it is a marine id bracelet, perhaps upon joining...i really have no idea, but will keep my eyes open if anything comes up..take care have a great safe happy easter holiday weekend ...b

    Question for the board

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    Anthony ; re photos, fyi, at the top of the Forums page, you will see on the left hand side...posted see below information by Evan, you may have not cleaned out your uploads and used up your alloted space, whatever have a read, it should clarify any related problems with such for you...b

    Important - Attachments & Disk Space

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    How many rifles were found on the 6th floor?

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    Paul, my memory did click in...lol.......the information i recall comes in Harold Weisbergs book,about LHO in new orleans...i found the following it may be helpful...b..

    http://www.maebrussell.com/The%20Warren%20Commission/Outline%20of%20Marina%20Oswald's%20testimony%202-3-64.html

    ''Lee had a rifle when they lived in New Orleans.

    •He would sit on the porch at night with his rifle, with a scope on it..''

    Harold's books have been reprinted, and are reasonably priced at Mary Farrel's...

    http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/MFF_Store

    DAL-TEX: "scope of a rifle mounted on a tripod"

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    Hi Mark..It is not a book it was The following photographs are scanned from the December 14th, 1963 issue of POST magazine ...http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/postphotos.html

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/postphotos.html

    not positive as i cannot see a date but this from my magazine file may be the one...one may be found perhaps on e.bay..perhaps...b..

    How many rifles were found on the 6th floor?

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    David and Bernice - what was the dp officer named Monty holding? I can't make out the photo, but if Monty said it was a venetian blind that sounds like 'curtain rods' to my ears.

    Assuming Oswald really did own a MC rifle but did not take it with him to work, a MC had to have been taken from the Paine's garage after Oswald was taken into custody. Is that even possible?

    It does raise another possibility. All the 'evidence' about Oswald and the rifle exists from before the Walker shooting. Mentions of it after that only state that it was wrapped in a blanket in the Paines garage. I recall someone, maybe Marina, saying that Oswald was practicing at home with a firing mechanism or something. Sorry to ask, but does anyone recall this better?

    Oswald was supposed to have ditched his rifle after the Walker incident and walked home. Wouldn't that leave the rifle in the weeds somewhere for some length of time? What if Walker recovered that rifle and used it to frame Oswald later?

    Interesting questions Paul... I hope I can do it some justice

    Montgomery comes out of the building and is photographed holding a paper bag.... this bag if fully extended yet from all appearances there should have been NOTHING in that bag...

    Again - it supposedly was folded up in the floor in the SE corner of the 6th floor. there was NOTHING inside as it was described laying on the floor.... and there would be no reason for Montgomery to putanything INSIDE the evidence as it was assumed it carried the unassembled rifle... why contaminate the evidence?

    GMACK from Monty's oral history tells us that a venetian blind was in the bag... which blind and from where, no one has an answer.

    "ALL THE EVIDENCE" about the rifle is from before Walker... what "evidence"? The Klein's documentation? the Photo? Marina's testimony?

    Could you please spell out what you refer to here so I have an understanding of what you are questioning.

    Neither Ruth nor Michael state that they EVER saw a rifle at thier home.

    Mr. JENNER - I 'don't wish to be persistent, but was there anything that you saw about the duffelbags that lead you at that time to even think for an instant that there was anything long, slim and hard like a pole?

    Mrs. PAINE - No.

    Mr. JENNER - Or a gun, a rifle?

    Mrs. PAINE - No.

    Mr. JENNER - No? Nothing?

    Mrs. PAINE - Nothing. I did not move these bags.

    Mr. JENNER - To the extent you saw them is all I am inquiring about. You did not touch them, you did not lift them, but you saw them.

    Mrs. PAINE - I did.

    Mr. JENNER - There appeared--the entire circumference of these bags which you could see was smooth?

    Mrs. PAINE - Well, smooth, bumpy, but irregular.

    Mr. JENNER - But no stick, no hard surface. Now, what about the diameter of these bags, these duffelbags, what would you say it was?

    Mrs. PAINE - About like this, 15, 18, 20 inches across.

    Mr. JENNER - Eighteen, twenty inches across?

    Mrs. PAINE - Probably more than that.

    Mr. JENNER - This is 15 inches.

    Mrs. PAINE - About like this; a little more than 15, probably.

    Mr. JENNER - Was there a rifle packed in the back of the car?

    Mrs. PAINE - No.

    Mr. JENNER - You didn't see any kind of weapon?

    Mrs. PAINE - No.

    Mr. JENNER - Firearm, rifle, pistol, or otherwise?

    Mrs. PAINE - No; I saw nothing of that nature.

    Mr. JENNER - Did you drive them to your home?

    Mrs. PAINE - Yes.

    Mr. JENNER - Were the materials and things in your station wagon unpacked and placed in your home?

    Mrs. PAINE - Yes; immediately.

    Mr. JENNER - Did you see that being done, were you present?

    Mrs. PAINE - I helped do it; yes.

    Mr. JENNER - Did you see any weapon on that occasion?

    Mrs. PAINE - No.

    Mr. JENNER - Whether a rifle, pistol or--

    Mrs. PAINE - No.

    Mr. JENNER - Or any covering, any package, that looked as though it might have a weapon, pistol, or firearm?

    Mrs. PAINE - No.

    Representative BOGGS - Did you see the rifle that he had in the room in your home?

    Mrs. PAINE - In the garage, no.

    Representative BOGGS - In the garage, you never saw one?

    Mrs. PAINE - I never saw that rifle at all until the police showed it to me in the station on the 22d of November.

    Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever observe or hear prior to the assassination that Lee Oswald had been practicing with a rifle?

    Mr. PAINE - No, I didn't know prior to the assassination, we didn't know he had a rifle. I had supposed from my conversation with him back on Neely Street that he would like to have a rifle but I didn't gather that he did.

    Mr. LIEBELER - Aside from whether or not you knew that he had a rifle, did you ever hear or observe him practicing with a rifle?

    Mr. PAINE - No, I did not.

    ========== Marina says he buried the rifle.... yet he had no cleaning supplies and there is no indication of that ever happening.========

    Mr. RANKIN. Did he say any more than that about the shooting?

    Mrs. OSWALD. Of course in the morning I told him that I was worried, and that we can have a lot of trouble, and I asked him, "Where is the rifle? What did you do with it?"

    He said, that he had left it somewhere, that he had buried it, it seems to me, somewhere far from that place, because he said dogs could find it by smell. I don't know---I am not a criminologist.

    I think it's important to note that you've stated some conclusions about the rifle that really doesn't follow the evidence...

    Interesting conversation.... very enjoyable...

    DJ

    Yes , very interesting thread, thank you fellas, Monty said a venetian blind was inside.??....at Mary Farrel's site, there is information that they did eventually find blinds in the TSBD later, but not upon their first search, perhaps the blinds, curtain rods that LHO never took into the TSBD ??? ...........Paul, Marina mentions i believe Lee practicing the firing mechanism, but in New Orleans in the screened in sun room.. if memory serves me...b the DPD officer was...http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/montgom1.htm

    TESTIMONY OF L. D. MONTGOMERY

    DAL-TEX: "scope of a rifle mounted on a tripod"

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    Greg here is the information that goes along with the photos at that site,see post 10.. thanks for posting photos i have had troubles of late copying such,pc problems what else is new, anyway..here is the info,many thanks...

    This photograph appears on page 22. The caption reads,"From the same building where Oswald lay in ambush, a telescopic lens reconstructs an approximation of what the killer saw at the moment of tragedy". The photograph does appear to support the idea that a single shot could have hit both Kennedy and Texas Governor John Connally. However, the photograph, despite the caption, was not taken from the schoolbook depository. The distinctive brickwork of the schoolbook depository (see photo from pages 24-25) is clearly seen on the right hand side of the photograph, proving that the photograph was actually staged from the Daltex building. The traffic signs clearly in view indicate a much lower angle than would be seen from 6 floors up.

    Compare the above view of the street with that seen in the next photo taken from just INSIDE the 6th floor window of the Texas Schoolbook Depository from which Oswald was supposed to have fired

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