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    Aubrey Rike

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    THIS WAS A POST I PICKED UP AT THE TIME on the Lancer board as a reminder of the name of aubrey's book, it was by randy owen who had met him at the conference and expressed his thoughts on his book and the man, i think it is appropriate and thank mr.owen's for posting his recall at the time..i certainly hope this is acceptable by him and the adm, i would have asked him for his permission, no i do not have it but i also do not have his email address, i hope this will clarify all....b

    Aubrey Rike: An Untold Story...Until Now"

    Sat Nov-29-08 10:16 PMby Randy Owen

    Aubrey Rike and the story of what he went through on November 22, 1963 is familiar to most researchers. Now, his story has been brilliantly told in the new book, “At the Door of Memory: A Witness to History and the Assassination of President Kennedy,” published by JFK Lancer. It made for fascinating reading on the flight back to Canada from Dallas for this year’s November in Dallas conference.

    (There are some awkward sentences in parts of the book, and a few pages after the photo on page 126 are out of order. But it is still a very good book!)

    Aubrey was kind enough to sit down with me for an interview on November 21, 2008. At times, it was very emotional, even after what may have been his 1,000th time telling his story and even after the passage of forty-five years. I could feel the emotion and nearly teared up a time or two. Thanks, Al, for sharing your experiences! He is a humble man and a master of understatement. At one point during our interview, he summed up his participation in the events of November 22: “It was quite a day.”

    But there is a part of Rike’s story that, to my knowledge, has not been told…until now. It involves two other employees of O’Neal’s Funeral Home and Aubrey’s “regular ambulance assistant," Dennis “Peanuts” McGuire. I asked Aubrey if had known the guys who picked up Oswald. Rike told me:

    “I would have been the one to pick up Oswald if I’d have been to work on time that morning. But my wife’s birthday is just, is the 26th or 27th. Anyway, we went to a birthday party that someone was having for her and I guess I drank too much or something. And I didn’t, I was supposed to go to work that next morning, the morning Oswald got shot. And I overslept, so I called Mike Hardin, asked him to stand by for me until I get over there. Mike and Peanuts, of course, he was already there—never late, and a dispatcher named Harold Wayne Wolfe, they were going to go eat breakfast. And as they was going to eat breakfast, they got the call of the shooting at city hall, I mean at the police station. Well, it was the city hall at that time. If I would have been to work on time, I would have been the one to pick up Oswald, too.”

    Michael Hardin is briefly mentioned in Michael Benson’s book “Who’s Who in the JFK Assassination: An A-to-Z Encyclopedia” (1993, Citadel Press, pp.171-172) as a “Dallas City ambulance driver” who “drove the dying Oswald from the DPD station to Parkland.” Harold Wayne Wolfe is not listed in the book.

    Hardin testified before the Warren Commission. Actually, his deposition was taken by WC assistant counsel Leon Hubert on March 31, 1964 in Dallas (WCH, Vol. 13, pp.94-99). He named Harold Wayne Wolfe as his “rider attendant.”

    Hardin and Wolfe both died at the age of thirty-eight within six years of each other. A few years ago, I did an online search of Texas Death Records and found that Michael Norfleet Hardin died on March 20, 1979 and Harold Wayne Wolfe died February 12, 1973.

    Aubrey told me, “Wayne committed suicide. Mike was thirty-eight. He had a heart attack and looked like a picture of health, really. But he loved that fried chicken.”

    Randy

    Aubrey Rike

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    SORRY TO READ THAT AUBREY HAS LEFT US, ANOTHER THAT WAS SO VALUED, I AM PLEASED THAT HE GOT HIS BOOK PUBLISHED THIS PAST YEAR I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING WITH INFORMATION FROM HIM THAT I HAD NOT HAD ACCESS TO IN THE PAST...B THE PHOTO OF HIM BELOW IS FROM 1994..

    GARY SHAW JOHN STOCKWELL

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    http://www.unixweblog.com/2010/04/gary-sha...spiracy-part-3/

    1 and 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCFMeHKecS0...player_embedded

    Instalar usando terminal Linex lenix.

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    Gary Shaw & John Stockwell: JFK Assassination Conspiracy (Part 3)

    below is the photo A CANCELLARE 4 referred to in the conversation and a comp of the mr.hunt possibly being present that day..on the left in the photo......B

    Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    I have great respect for you Dr.Jim as well as your work that you provide so willingly, therefore also your decisions and beliefs, you have found within yourself to believe that all Judith has stated and what documents etc that she has provided to you as being sufficient to draw your conclusion that she is the real deal as you have mentioned..and that is your prerogative and as I say i respect such...what you have posted for us and she had supplied to you, we, many, have seen in the past except for the one photo which was new to me, they were posted at Rich's as well as at the lancer forums in the past, and i believe they are still there within RICH'S archives, they were some months back,,..a part of me wishes he had been here during this long stressful thread , but then another does not ,as i know he would have been extremely upset at some of what has been said and has occurred, '' and as JFK said

    For in the final analysis, our most basic common link, is that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's futures, and we are all mortal.

    we are all mortal, therefore we all at times make mistakes, move too quickly, act before contemplating and so on,

    John F. Kennedy, Speech at The American University, Washington, D.C., June 10, 1963

    Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings.

    John F. Kennedy, speech at The American University, Washington, D.C., June 10, 1963

    and Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man but we lost him before he had the chance to teach us how.and we still stumble each and every day.... and my favourite ''

    So, let us not be blind to our differences - but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved.

    John F. Kennedy

    we human beings are AT most times our own worse enemies, not just within the research as i have thought at times. We fly off the handle, before we think, my old granny used to say to me as well as my bro, if you cannot say anything nice, do not say anything, well our mother picked it up and for years that was the daily reminder,as we left for school, as ''Mr dobs in the movie 'Harvey'' states, words to the effect, '' in this world you can be oh so smart or oh so pleasant, he then says well I ,,.was oh so smart for many years, and i recommend being oh so pleasant''...all we must do, I believe is put others before ourselves, their thoughts and feelings...IMO...

    As i believe and hope i made clear i have read Ed's books,and each post here, as well as studying and reading some thousands of posts during the 12 years or so at the alts in following as the information,as it was made available and her previous set of books and have her new one on order,the DVDs and Cd's that were made available were obtained , as well as many others we took the time to peruse as much as possible and also went to the expense of having all, plus the black op radio DVD.. i did find them all of great interest, and informative but also within Ed's and Judyth's books I was disappointed as many others were that there was not the documented proof that was available to him at that time and he chose not to supply,nor the documentation she had promised, i must now being human wonder if ED ever did try or make any effort to.find the proof, .perhaps as Kathy has supplied the link to the N.O city archives it is not too late.someone may be able to bring forth the information needed..the proof is in the pudding as they say,and these are his books and his puddings to prove..i cannot blame anyone for not believing what they cannot see in the way of documentation, we as researchers have been taught and inundated very early on, that that is a must, the final piece for whatever is to be accepted as a given, he and she as well as others are very aware of that fact..as far as JudYth being in N.O AT THE TIME OF LHO THAT WAS ACCEPTED AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT SHE WAS AN EXTREMELY GIFTED YOUNG WOMAN IN SCIENCE also is a given..and that they SHE AND LHO worked at REILLYS AT THE SAME TIME ALSO, AND IMO THAT SHE HAS PROVEN , BUT NO MORE AND NO LESS...NEITHER HAS ED HASLAM..I WISH SHE AND HE HAD BEEN ABLE TO SUPPLY THE DOCUMENTATION FOR ALL THE REST BUT THAT WAS NOT TO BE, perhaps at some date in the future he will be able to provide further.SO THEREFORE WE AS INDIVIDUALS MUST DECIDE FOR OURSELVES EXACTLY HOW MUCH WE WILL BELIEVE HONESTLY IN WHAT HAS BEEN STATED AS TRUTH, SOME APPARENTLY WILL,ACCEPT IT AS BEING ENOUGH, SOME WILL NOT, THAT IS VERY HUMAN. AND To each their own, as it is and should be..AFTER STUDYING AND READING ALL THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO the JFK-assassination-related parts of her account simply do not pass the smell test for me. that is my decision I am very hopeful as you have made mention of perhaps in the future old friendships will be able to be mended and put again on a solid footing..i realized many pages ago how stressful this all was for you and that many were feeling the stress of this terribly contentious, long thread,

    and for all who have worked together for so long and or perhaps quietly supporting whom they consider their peers within the JFK research studies such as WELL AS others who believe in your work, that you have so willingly shared and made available, even some who disagree with your findings as well, were feeling the stress of this terrible up heaving long thread,and there are as we know a relative few i believe, who were happy to see such, too bad, their most earnest wishes will not take place and the group as called at times by others will not and has not disintegrated within harsh meaningless words..

    “I realized many pages ago how stressful this must be for you, and that others must be feeling stressed also by this terribly contentious, long thread, such as Dean who admires you, and others who believe in the work . Of course, no doubt others were happy to see harsh words used. JFK told us that we are all human, which we certainly are, in spades. The old phrase comes to mind: to err is human, to forgive devine.

    ---

    ..I THANK YOU KIND SIR FOR YOUR REPLY AND YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS THAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED WITHIN..AND WISH YOU AND YOURS ALL THE VERY BEST.

    NOW, IF POSSIBLE, FOR HEAVENS SAKE,CAN WE ALL GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS OF RESEARCH

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    THE PLAY PERHAPS HAS ENDED AND ALL SHOULD PERHAPS TAKE A BREAK AND A REST, AND THEN CARRY ON AND GET BACK TO THEIR WORK AND ALLOW THIS THREAD TO QUIETLY REST, HOPEFULLY, THE SHOW IS OVER, ME THINKS MORE THAN ENOUGH HAS BEEN SAID

    I CANNOT THINK OF ANYTHING FURTHER THAT SHOULD BE POSTED HERE IMO..

    PERHAPS WE ALL COULD, LET THE SLEEPING RESEARCHERS LIE PLEASE.FOR AWHILE.....IF ANYONE MUST SAY ANYTHING FURTHER RELATED TO THE INFORMATION AND OR THE JUDYTH STUDIES,THAT IS WORTHY OF SUCH,, PERHAPS YOU COULD START A NEW THREAD ON A NEW NON-CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC.

    AGAIN THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO..AS WELL AS TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU ON THIS FORUM.FOR YOUR WORK AND CONTRIBUTIONS.IT TAKES A VILLAGE..

    . THANK YOU ALL..KINDLY AND TAKE GOOD CARE...PS AND A THANK YOU TO JOHN SIMKIN FOR ALLOWING THIS LONG DEBATE...PS... PLEASE EXCUSE AGAIN THE CAPS,IT WAS VERY EARLY IN THE DAY FOR ME WHEN I BEGAN TRYING TO COMPOSE THIS REPLY.. AGAIN VERY SORRY ABOUT THAT...B

    Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    ON ED HASLAM,WHY NOT BECAUSE AFTER ALL HE HAS WRITTEN TWO BOOKS, WHICH I HAVE AND READ, HE IS THE AUTHOR RESEARCHER OF SUCH, YET IN ALL THE YEARS THAT IT TOOK HIM TO DO SO, HE NEGLECTED TO DO OR COMPLETE HIS RESEARCH, HE DID NOT FIND AS FAR AS WE KNOW NOR NAME HIS OLD GIRLFRIEND NOR GET HER INFORMATION NOR STATEMENT RECALLING HER INFORMATION PERTAINING TO SAID PARTY, HE DID NOT GO TO THE N/O ARCHIVES WITHIN THE CITY BEFORE KATRINA RUINED ALL,SO I HAVE READ, TO SEARCH FOR THE INFORMATION OF WHOM OWNED OR RENTED THAT APARTTMENT HOUSE AT THE TIME OF THE PARTY, NOR OBTAIN THE COPIES OF DOCUMENTS OF WHOM WERE LIVING THERE,HE ALSO MENTIONED YEARS BACK OF BEING REMINDED OF SUCH BY SEEING THE NAME JUDY BAKER ON AN OFFICE DOOR, BEFORE JUDYTH WAS IN CONTACT WITH HIM, I BLIEVE ALSO WHEN HE WAS ON THE ALTS YEARS BACK IT WAS JUDY BAKER THAT THEN EVENTUALLY CHANGED TO JUDYTH,SO PERHAPS NOW IT SHOULD BE ED'S WORK TO BE CRITIQUED UPON, IN A NEW THREAD AND ASKED SOME DIRECT QUESTIONS OF THE WHY NOTS,ABOUT WHAT IS OR HAS NOT BEEN DONE NOR VERIFIED WITHIN HIS BOOK AND RESEARCH, OUT OF WHICH JUDYTH BAKER AND HER INFormation FIRST WAS INTRODUCED, IF JOHN ARMSTRONG'S WORK, AND MANY OTHER'S SUCH AS YOURSELF, CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR WORK THEN WHY HAS ED HASLAM HAD A FREE PASS,IMO SO FAR, THAT IS WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE...WHERE IS HIS VERIFICATION DOCUMENTATION AND PROOF OF WHAT HE HAS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM MEETING ANOTHER JUDYTH BAKER WHO HELD A PARTY WHO WAS INTERESTED IN LHO AND EVEN THOUGH ED WAS HE REFUSED TO TALK WITH HER...ED NEEDS TO NOW PROVIDE OTHERS HIS PROOF SO THAT RESEARCHERS DO NOT THINK THAT ALL THIS COULD HAVE JUST BEEN PERHAPS ANOTHER CONVENIENT STORY ..WITH BEST REGARDS....B

    Bernice, I believe the New Orleans property ownership records are online. I found this after reading your post regarding Katrina. As an example:

    http://qpublic.net/la/orleans/search.html

    THANKYOU KATHY AFTER KATRINA AS WE FOLLOWED THERE WAS A NEWSPAPER REPORT THEY HAD ALL BEEN LOST IN THE ARCHIVES IN THE BASEMENTS, I WILL LOOK INTO THESE AGAIN THANKS...B

    SECRECY NEWS FROM FAS

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    SECRECY NEWS

    from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy

    Volume 2010, Issue No. 32

    April 21, 2010

    Secrecy News Blog: http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/

    ** STATE DEPT SEEKS PUBLIC INPUT ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN U.S.

    ** PRIVACY IMPACT OF INTERNET SECURITY IS CLASSIFIED, NSA SAYS

    ** ACTIVITIES OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, 1976-2009

    STATE DEPT SEEKS PUBLIC INPUT ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN U.S.

    The U.S. State Department is inviting members of the public to present their concerns about human rights in the United States as part of the Universal Periodic Review (UPR) process, in which the human rights records of all UN Member States are to be reviewed.

    "In the pursuit of a transparent and effective UPR process, the Department of State is encouraging the American public, including non-governmental organizations and civil society more broadly, to provide input regarding human rights in the United States directly to the Department of State."

    "Your feedback is vital for us to better gauge the U.S. human rights situation now, and how protection of human rights can be improved in our country and around the world," the State Department website said. "We look forward to receiving your comments."

    The Federation of American Scientists asked the State Department to turn its attention to those cases where a resolution of alleged human rights violations has been barred by the government's use of the state secrets privilege.

    "There are innocent individuals who have been swept up in U.S. Government counterterrorism operations, wrongly detained, 'rendered' surreptitiously to foreign countries, subjected to extreme physical and mental stress, or otherwise wronged," we wrote. "In some cases, like those of persons such as Maher Arar and Khaled el-Masri, efforts to seek legal remedies have been blocked by the Government's invocation of the state secrets privilege. As a result, the alleged abuses committed in such cases remain unresolved, and there is no way for the affected individuals to be made whole."

    "If the judicial process in such cases is foreclosed by the state secrets privilege, then an alternate procedure should be created to rectify the wrongs that may have been committed," we suggested.

    PRIVACY IMPACT OF INTERNET SECURITY IS CLASSIFIED, NSA SAYS

    New technologies could be used to improve internet security but the impact of those technologies on personal privacy is classified information, the director of the National Security Agency told Congress last week.

    "How could the Internet be designed differently to provide much greater inherent security?" the Senate Armed Services Committee asked Lt. General Keith Alexander, who has been nominated to lead the new U.S. Cyber Command.

    "The design of the Internet is - and will continue to evolve - based on technological advancements. These new technologies will enhance mobility and, if properly implemented, security," replied Gen. Alexander in his written answers (pdf) in advance of an April 15 Committee hearing.

    "What would the impact be on privacy, both pro and con?" the Committee continued.

    The answer to that question was "provided in the classified supplement" to the General's response, and was not made public (see question 27).

    "It is astounding that Lt. Gen. Alexander's remarks on the impact on privacy of future modifications to the Internet under his command should be withheld from the public," wrote Jared Kaprove and John Verdi of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), especially given the President's declared commitment to upholding privacy protection in the nation's cybersecurity policy.

    Consequently, EPIC filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking disclosure of the classified supplement to General Alexander's answers. "There is a clear public interest in making known the Director's views on this critical topic," EPIC wrote in its request (pdf).

    ACTIVITIES OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, 1976-2009

    The Senate Intelligence Committee has posted a collection of its biennial public reports on the Committee's activities, from the first report in 1976 to the latest in 2009, providing a retrospective survey of intelligence controversies past and present.

    "The committee has unintentionally produced a profoundly biased political document," complained the late Sen. Daniel P. Moynihan in a statement appended to the very first report (pdf) in 1976. "The committee reports on a world in which very simply, the values which the United States hopefully stands for do not seem to be threatened by any activity save the activities of the U.S. Government.... Nowhere is the Committee for State Security of the Soviet Union (the KGB) even alluded to. There is a pattern of avoidance of the reality of totalitarian threat throughout this document."

    "I believe that my colleague misses the point," replied Sen. Joseph Biden in the same 1976 report. "At the heart of what is wrong with the intelligence community and what indeed has caused many of the abuses we have seen is the fact that most officials of the intelligence community do not know what they should and should not be doing.... We will not solve that problem by restating the obvious, that the Soviets operate a very effective intelligence service, unfettered by the restrictions of a vibrant constitution."

    _______________________________________________

    Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists.

    The Secrecy News Blog is at:

    http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/

    Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    What's the deal, Lee? You want to play "amateur philosopher"? I hate to say it again, but when people I like abuse logic, ignore evidence, and make fallacious arguments, again and again and again, there is a point at which I have to question their competence or their integrity. Do you think I LIKE being at odds with some of my oldest and dearest friends? Jack White, David Lifton, and Doug Weldon have been close friends and allies in the past. For some reason, this Judyth thing has affected them in ways that, in my considered opinion, has taken them off the deep end.

    For example, given my response to Pat, which of them has actually read DR. MARY'S MONKEY? Well, I am quite sure that Jack has not and that David will not. Doug is a possibility, but, to the best of my knowledge, he has not yet either. IF EVERYONE WOULD READ WHAT ED HASLAM HAS WRITTEN, based upon extremely patient and thorough research, MOST OF THIS CONTROVERSY WOULD SUBSIDE. I have posted a chapter of his from the revised version of MARY, FERRIE, AND THE MONKEY VIRUS, but so far as I can tell, no one here is actually reading it. That's the score.

    Of course, I would like to have my friends and truth, too. But when Dean Hagerman, for example, tells me that I am letting Judyth disrupt my relationships with some of my old friends, I am confronted with a dilemma. I KNOW THAT JUDYTH IS THE REAL DEAL. I HAVE STUDIED HER, TALKED WITH HER, READ ABOUT HER, EVALUATED THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST HER, AND I AM CONVINCED. I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. So what am I supposed to do? Dean says I should choose Jack (and Lifton and Weldon) and abandon Judyth. That is the conflict that I confront.

    I can only do that if I abandon my commitment to truth. If I have to choose between friendships and truth, I have to side with truth. If friendships take precedence over truth, then there is no truth, only friendships. Given who I am, that is not something that I can do. I want to have both. Who does not? But if I am compelled to choose between friends who abuse logic, ignore evidence, and make fallacious arguments, again and again and again, I have no choice but to stand with truth and let friendships go. Forced to choose, my choice is truth.

    And let me add one more point. I did not drag them into this. I created a thread to discuss Judyth because I find her story fascinating, not least of all because it transforms our understanding of the assassination, especially with regard to those mysterious days in New Orleans. What may have escaped notice in all of this is that Jack, David, and Doug HAVE BEEN ATTACKING ME. To the best of my knowledge, I have not initiated a single attack upon them. But I will not stand by and allow them to abuse a crucial witness whom I am convinced is telling the truth.

    As for friendships, I value them greatly. But if we place friendships ahead of truth, then there is no truth, only friendships. And that is something I am not willing to do.

    I don't get this Jim.

    Why can't you have both?

    I've always found the question of what is "truth" fascinating. Fact is Jim, the truth doesn't need us all to believe in it for it still to be true. Agreed?

    If I don't believe that the sun rises each morning and sets each evening it doesn't make the fact that it does any less true does it?

    If I believe that sound is faster than light it doesn't make the fact that light is faster than sound any less true does it?

    Would you or Jack fall out with me and not treat me with respect because I believed that there is nothing after we die and you both believed in heaven?

    If your wife turned around and told you that she didn't believe a word Judyth said, would you divorce her? I think not...

    I'm awaiting some sanity to return and some further discussion of the issues if possible.

    Regards

    Lee

    DR.JIM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK AT YOU FOR A FEW MINUTES, I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR AWHILE AND THINK I SHOULD FOR OUR FRIENDSHIPS SAKE,

    YOU ARE CORRECT I DO NOT LIKE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE READ WITHIN THIS VERY LONG THREAD AND I HAVE READ EVERY POST, AND NOT JUST BY YOU, BUT BY SOME OTHERS AS WELL, NO USE PICKING STRAWS AS I WILL NOT BE, MY THOUGHTS ARE MY BUSINESS..

    LORDY I, HAVE WONDERED AT TIMES IF this thread would make a good subject for study for a thesis.

    It is NOT somehow typical that it has been tried to turn this into a critique of John Armstrong''s work. , we have seen this done in other threads, No doubt Armstrong is open to criticism. as your books were and Lifton's still is, and doug weldon's will be, and so on, Who ISN'T? OPEN TO CRITICISM , I THOUGHT IN THIS THREAD The issue here WAS TO BE JUDYTH Baker and the evidence for her claims.i have seen what she has presented as such, but i admit i find it lacking as i did in her first set of books..

    IT SEEMS TO ME AT TIMES WITHIN THE RESEARCH THAT WE START OUT OH SO SMART BUT GET OH SO MUCH STUPIDER AS THE THREADS GROW LONGER...

    AND THE INTENTIONS AND THE SUBJECT GETS LOST..SOMETIMES THE SHORTER THE BETTER SUFFICES.

    ALL WE NEED TO DO IMO IS TO treat PEOPLE with respect. AND treat FELLOW RESEARCHERS as your equals EVEN IF THEY ARE WITHOUT INITIALS AFTER THEIR NAMES AS SOME HAVE AND AS SOME SEEM TO LEAN ON TOO OFTEN,THOUGH ON THE OTHER HAND I AM NOT YOUR NOR MANYS PEER BECAUSE I HAVE NONE AFTER MY NAME BUT THEN YOU AND THEY CANNOT BE MINE EITHER AS YOU HAVE NOR THEY CAN EVER HAVE THE MANY CHILDREN I HAD,AND CHILDREN I RAISED, WE NEED TO STOP cALLING OTHERS names OR BELITTLING THEM,AND MAKING OTHER such IMPLICATIONS SUCH AS DERIDING THEM BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU OR WITH SOMEONE YOU DO, SO WHAT IF SOMEONE DOES NOT, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE NEVER AGREED WITH ALL THAT ANYONE HAS RESEARCHED IN ALL THE YEARS I HAVE KNOWN YOU.AND PEOPLE NEED TO NOT BE CONDESCENDING AND THEY NEED TO TRY AND KEEP A CIVIL TONGUE IN THEIR HEADS...I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE SPECIFICS OR DOTS WITH YOU,DR.JIM,EVEN IF THAT WAS WHAT YOU WANTED, WHICH I DOUBT,, I AM NOT GOING TO ALLOW YOU NOR ANYONE, PERHAPS TO ENCOURAGE SUCH,SO THAT EVENTUALLY YOU WOULD THROW AWAY ANOTHER FRIEND OR CHASE ANOTHER AWAY FROM YOU...AS FAR AS WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITHIN THS THREAD IT IS DONE, WHAT AMENDS WILL BE TAKEN IN THE FUTURE WILL BE IN THE FUTURE, '......NOW A VERY GOOD TOPIC THAT BILL KELLY MENTIONED, AND I WILL ASK, WHY IS IT AFTER ALL YOU AND JUDYTH HAVE HAD TO SAY ABOUT JACK'S ERRORS OR DOUG'S OR David lifton's opinions being wrong etc, why is it that you have not as far as i recall in this thread ever LEANED ON ED HASLAM,WHY NOT BECAUSE AFTER ALL HE HAS WRITTEN TWO BOOKS, WHICH I HAVE AND READ, HE IS THE AUTHOR RESEARCHER OF SUCH, YET IN ALL THE YEARS THAT IT TOOK HIM TO DO SO, HE NEGLECTED TO DO OR COMPLETE HIS RESEARCH, HE DID NOT FIND AS FAR AS WE KNOW NOR NAME HIS OLD GIRLFRIEND NOR GET HER INFORMATION NOR STATEMENT RECALLING HER INFORMATION PERTAINING TO SAID PARTY, HE DID NOT GO TO THE N/O ARCHIVES WITHIN THE CITY BEFORE KATRINA RUINED ALL,SO I HAVE READ, TO SEARCH FOR THE INFORMATION OF WHOM OWNED OR RENTED THAT APARTTMENT HOUSE AT THE TIME OF THE PARTY, NOR OBTAIN THE COPIES OF DOCUMENTS OF WHOM WERE LIVING THERE,HE ALSO MENTIONED YEARS BACK OF BEING REMINDED OF SUCH BY SEEING THE NAME JUDY BAKER ON AN OFFICE DOOR, BEFORE JUDYTH WAS IN CONTACT WITH HIM, I BLIEVE ALSO WHEN HE WAS ON THE ALTS YEARS BACK IT WAS JUDY BAKER THAT THEN EVENTUALLY CHANGED TO JUDYTH,SO PERHAPS NOW IT SHOULD BE ED'S WORK TO BE CRITIQUED UPON, IN A NEW THREAD AND ASKED SOME DIRECT QUESTIONS OF THE WHY NOTS,ABOUT WHAT IS OR HAS NOT BEEN DONE NOR VERIFIED WITHIN HIS BOOK AND RESEARCH, OUT OF WHICH JUDYTH BAKER AND HER INFormation FIRST WAS INTRODUCED, IF JOHN ARMSTRONG'S WORK, AND MANY OTHER'S SUCH AS YOURSELF, CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR WORK THEN WHY HAS ED HASLAM HAD A FREE PASS,IMO SO FAR, THAT IS WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE...WHERE IS HIS VERIFICATION DOCUMENTATION AND PROOF OF WHAT HE HAS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM MEETING ANOTHER JUDYTH BAKER WHO HELD A PARTY WHO WAS INTERESTED IN LHO AND EVEN THOUGH ED WAS HE REFUSED TO TALK WITH HER...ED NEEDS TO NOW PROVIDE OTHERS HIS PROOF SO THAT RESEARCHERS DO NOT THINK THAT ALL THIS COULD HAVE JUST BEEN PERHAPS ANOTHER CONVENIENT STORY ..WITH BEST REGARDS....B

    Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    I'd don't think it's right to cross post these theads, as this thread is supposed to be about JVB, and not John Armstrong or Jack White or Greg Parker, and the only purpose of doing it is to stick a pin in JF's former friend Jack White.

    We've all read this post in its proper setting, and Greg has thoughtfully stayed clear of this thead, and to cross post these threads is wrong.

    If there's nothing more to say about Judyth Vary Baker then let this thread die, or start a new one attacking Jack White, but I don't think all of the questions about JVB have been answered, especially why no one has bothered to investiate the other JVB, the one Ed Haslem met in New Orleans.

    BK

    I AGREE BILL IT APPEARS TO BE POSTED TO GET AT JACK AGAIN...IMO ALSO THAT IS WRONG...

    B

    NEW;;''the throat wound ''

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    i think we need to always think for ourselves, not allowing anyone to influence us too greatly, nor bully us into agreeing, what a boring world this would be if all did agree... :blink: to each their own in otherwards...you take care and continue with your studies, carry on as they say..we are all in error at times i have been a zillion times down through the years, some real dandies along the way... :rolleyes: i feel each is a learning experience, none are too intelligent that they never make mistakes...thanks b..

    NEW;;''the throat wound ''

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    b..

    B,

    Always a pleasure to hear from you.

    I always get a kick out of that photo. It misrepresents almost every angle of the SBT, and yet they used it to attempt to give the SBT veracity.

    No wonder the CT gang piled on it.

    Hope you have been well!

    Mike

    hi mike. i am about the same as always here there and anywhere, we keep plugging along, thanks hope all is well with you and your family, .specter was always apparently out of his element...especially when left on his own in charge... :rolleyes: b

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