David Von Pein

Sounds like the WFAA-TV coverage. They used a couple of different "chalkboard" maps that day. http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com / More 11/22/63 WFAA-TV Screen Captures

But you do realize that CBS themselves interviewed a huge number of witnesses connected with the assassination, don't you? (See my list above.)

James DiEugenio's conspiracy-slanted opinions aside, the two CBS-TV specials (aired in September 1964 and June 1967) are, IMO, very good and very informative programs, with the second program (the 4-parter in '67) giving various conspiracy theorists ample airtime to voice their opinions (including Jim Garrison himself). Many, many witnesses, including quite a few who belong in the "Very Rarely Heard From" category, were interviewed by CBS News for those two in-depth programs in 1964 and 1967 (which are interviews that I certainly appreciate having on film and videotape very much), including Abraham Zapruder, Dr. Malcolm Perry, Dr. James Humes, Darrell Tomlinson, Earlene Roberts, Cecil McWatters, Helen Markham, Garland Slack, Domingo Benavides, M.N. McDonald, H. Louis Nichols, James Jarman, Charles Brehm, William Whaley, James Altgens, Arnold Rowland, Bonnie Ray Williams, Roy Truly, Marrion Baker, Seymour Weitzman, Howard Brennan, O.P. Wright, Mary Moorman, S.M. Holland, Johnny Brewer, Marina Oswald, Murray Jackson, Charles Givens, Linnie Mae Randle, Marguerite Oswald, Ruth Paine, John Connally, Nellie Connally, Buell Wesley Frazier, Harold Norman, Jesse Curry, Ted Callaway, Carolyn Walther, Malcolm Price, Jean Hill, and George Senator. The two CBS programs provide a veritable Who's Who of the JFK assassination, plus a very reasonable evaluation of the evidence associated with the events of November 22, 1963 (IMO).* * Conspiracy theorists will quite naturally (and vehemently) disagree with my last statement above. It's also good to know that excerpts from the 1964 and 1967 CBS-TV JFK specials, plus the 1964 David Wolper film "Four Days In November" and the 1993 PBS-TV three-hour documentary "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?", are being shown on a regular basis to college students in Wisconsin by Professor John McAdams. (And, just in case you think that Prof. McAdams shows his students only "Lone Assassin" programs, he told me recently that he shows Oliver Stone's film "JFK"---uncut---to his students as well.) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Also See: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Here are some photos taken in or near Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.... http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/Dealey Plaza Photos (Nov. 22, 1963) SUPER-LARGE VERSION OF THE SECOND PICTURE ABOVE

I don't see what the mystery is here. Any number of witnesses could have provided the information about the suspect moving (i.e., "running") west on Jefferson Boulevard just after the Tippit shooting. Those witnesses would include Callaway, Patterson, Guinyard, Reynolds, Searcy, Lewis, and Russell.

I've located the text of that 1996 interview with Johnny Brewer. It can be found here. On the second page of the interview—here—Brewer does, indeed, say that the radio station he was listening to on 11/22/63 could have been KLIF. But he then adds, "but I honestly don't know". ____________________________________________________________________________________

I know nothing of the kind. The two "Davis" bullet shells have a perfect, unbroken, 1-man chain of possession (Doughty & Dhority). Each officer marked the shell they got from the Davis girls. Check Dale Myers' book for up-close photos showing those markings. And those 2 shells were fired in Revolver V510210. CTers have no way out re: those two shells.

It's fun to fantasize, isn't it Jim H.? You must think so, because you sure do a lot of it around here.

Game over. Make all the excuses you can conjure: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/08/Lee Harvey Oswald's Revolver

Even after all these years of putting up with the silly rantings of conspiracy theorists, it still burns both sides of my toast when I hear these CTers insist that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't fire a single shot at Officer J.D. Tippit---despite the fact that Sweet Lee was caught red-handed with the Tippit murder weapon in his hands just 35 minutes after murdering the 11-year veteran Dallas patrolman. Plus, I'd like to know how on this Earth Tippit could have been declared "DOA" at Methodist Hospital at 1:15 PM (as many conspiracy theorists firmly believe) when we know that his body was still lying in the middle of Tenth Street as late as 1:18 PM? The ambulance didn't even arrive to pick up Tippit's body until 1:18:59 PM [see Dale Myers' "With Malice", page 104, 1998 edition]. Let me guess --- Conspiracy theorists think that the Dudley Hughes ambulance slip is a fake too, right? That ambulance call slip was stamped with the time of 1:18 PM ["With Malice", page 101, 1998 edition].

Here's an e-mail exchange I had with Dale Myers on April 19th and April 20th, 2019.... Subject: J.C. Brewer and the Tippit radio report Date: 4/19/2019; 5:05 PM EDT From: Dale K. Myers To: David Von Pein ----------------------------- David, I was alerted to this thread and found your comment: “...Such information is also not available in Dale Myers' exhaustive book on J.D. Tippit's murder, "With Malice"....” to be incorrect. My work on this issue was quite exhaustive and appears as endnote No. 617 (pages 738-739 of the 2013 Edition of “With Malice”) which I’ve pasted below for your convenience. Please give credit where credit is due. Dale ============================ "With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald And The Murder Of Officer J.D. Tippit" by Dale K. Myers (2013 Edition); Endnotes on pages 738 and 739: “[617] 7H2 (WCT [Warren Commission Testimony] of Johnny Calvin Brewer, April 2, 1964) [Note: The exact time that Brewer heard the radio broadcast on the shooting of Officer Tippit is not known, although it was very likely broadcast at about 1:31 p.m. over KBOX radio. There were five major radio stations covering the Dallas area -- WFAA (570 AM), WBAP (820 AM), KRLD (1080 AM), KBOX (1480 AM), and KLIF (1190 AM). All of them routinely monitored the Dallas police radio. A review of archival recordings made by the four [sic; actually five] radio stations show that neither the shooting in Oak Cliff nor its location was broadcast until after Oswald was arrested at 1:51 p.m. However, the archival recordings of two of the radio stations – WFAA and KBOX – do not cover the entire assassination period. The WFAA recordings begin at 1:47 p.m.; KBOX recordings begin at 1:35 p.m. A 1:59 p.m. KBOX report from newsman Sam Pate repeats information known to have been previously broadcast, including a report about the Tippit shooting (“Moments ago a police officer reported to have been shot down at Tenth and Patton in the Oak Cliff area. Several squads of police, approximately twenty men, ordered to the Oak Cliff area. A late word shows that the police officer was dead on arrival at Methodist Hospital.”). This KBOX report on the Tippit shooting was probably broadcast earlier on KBOX shortly after 1:31 p.m. when it was reported over the Dallas police radio that Tippit was DOA at Methodist Hospital. During a 2005 interview for The Sixth Floor Museum, Brewer said that in addition to hearing a report about the Tippit shooting prior to Oswald’s appearance in front of Hardy’s Shoe Store, he also heard a radio report that the President had died. (Interview of Johnny C. Brewer, The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, November 21, 2005) In his 1964 Warren Commission testimony, Brewer said that the president’s death was only a rumor. (7H2) Texas Theater ticket-seller Julia Postal was more specific about the timing of Oswald’s arrival at the theater. “I was listening to KLIF [on a little transistor radio], and I was down in the little box office, and they kept saying that Parkland hadn’t issued an official report, that [President Kennedy] had been removed from the operating table, and everyone wanted to surmise, but still hope...” (7H9 WCT of Julia Postal, April 2, 1964) According to Postal, they had just announced that Kennedy was dead when Oswald ducked into the theater. (24H221 CE2003, p.50, Affidavit of Julia Postal, December 4, 1963) KLIF archival radio recordings show that at 1:27 p.m. KLIF announcers began reporting the “strong rumor” that the President was dead. The official announcement came eight minutes later, at 1:35 p.m., nearly simultaneous with the Dallas police radio call for all units to report to the library at Marsalis and Jefferson – the call that was no doubt responsible for the police activity that drove Oswald to seek refuge in the lobby of Hardy’s Shoe Store and moments later, the Texas Theater. A KLIF radio log entry suggesting that the Tippit shooting and its location were broadcast shortly after White House press secretary Malcolm Kilduff’s 1:33 p.m. news conference on the president’s death, as reported in the 1998 edition of this volume, is misleading. A review of the actual recordings shows that newsman Roy Nichols’ brief report (“...there was a shooting a moment ago of a police officer in the 500 block of West Jefferson in Oak Cliff and he was dead on arrival at Methodist.”) wasn’t broadcast until 2:02 p.m. (KLIF, Dallas, Radio Log, November 22, 1963, Reel No.5, p.8, Entry #23, “Report of shooting of Police Officer in the 500 block of West Jefferson in Oak Cliff a few minutes ago.” Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library, Ann Arbor, MI)]” [End "With Malice" Quotes.] ============================ DVP's E-Mail Reply To Dale Myers.... Subject: Re: J.C. Brewer and the Tippit radio report Date: 4/20/2019; 1:11 AM EDT From: David Von Pein To: Dale K. Myers ----------------------------- Hi Dale, Thank you very much for the information regarding Johnny Brewer and the Tippit radio broadcasts that appears in Endnote No. 617 of the 2013 edition of your book, "With Malice". What I should have said in my Internet post on this matter is that the topic concerning Brewer and the radio stations isn't covered in the 1998 edition of "With Malice", which is the only edition of your book that I currently possess. I don't have the 2013 edition at the present time. The excerpts you have provided via your book's extensive Endnote #617 contain a lot of useful information on this topic. And I was very happy to verify that my own research that I've been doing this week (while utilizing the resources in my own audio/video collection) has been very close to perfect when it comes to some of the specific timestamps of the various radio bulletins that were aired on several of the Dallas-area stations on 11/22/63. Per the figures in your endnote, I hit some of them right on the nose---even though I had no access to any kind of "Radio Logs" for each of the stations. I'm very pleased about that. And I'm pleased to now have a second source (the endnote in your book) with which to verify some of those timestamps. Thanks again, Dale. I appreciate it very much. Regards, David Von Pein [End E-Mails.]

It wasn't a female "officer". It was, as I said earlier, a female telephone operator at the Dallas Police Department. KLIF gave the name of the operator too---it was a "Mrs. Cripton" (sp?) or something similar to that. And she got that description, quite obviously, from her own police department. It was the official APB bulletin that went out over the air to all DPD officers at 12:44 or 12:45 PM CST. And, yes, it's a description that very likely originated (at least in part) with Howard L. Brennan. (The part about the "30-caliber rifle" didn't come from Brennan, however, since Brennan didn't know beans about rifles.) That detail probably came (originally) from Howard Brennan too. (Just as he says in his 11/22 affidavit.).... https://3.bp.blogspot.com/s1500/Howard-Brennan-Affidavit.gif Yeah, I agree, that one is strange. KLIF's 1:08 PM description of the SAME suspect suddenly changed to "approximately 5 feet, 8 inches tall, about 160 pounds". I haven't the foggiest idea how the President's killer managed to shrink two inches and lose five pounds in just five minutes (from 1:03 to 1:08). So, Cory, does this slight "description" discrepancy mean that I'm supposed to toss aside all of the other evidence in this case that clearly indicates that Lee Harvey Oswald was a double murderer on 11/22/63? Heaven help all reasonable people if that is what you're suggesting. Because the "bad memory" explanation makes by far the most sense (in my opinion).

I have no idea. I now have a distinct feeling that my previous hunch is accurate about you, Tony..... "I hope you're not hinting at the idea that Johnny Brewer really didn't listen to ANY radio broadcasts on 11/22 and that he just LATER made up a story about listening to the radio bulletins before spotting Oswald near his store. Tell me you're not travelling down that bumpy road, Tony." ~sigh~

Related Topic.... Julia Postal's December 4, 1963, affidavit is quite an interesting document too. In it, Julia says: "At approximately 1:30 PM or a little later I was working in the ticket office at the theater. I was listening to my transistor radio, and KLIF had just announced that President Kennedy was dead. I had just seen a police car go west on Jefferson. As the police went by, a man ducked inside the theater. .... I stepped from the box office to the front and looked west. When I turned around, Johnny Brewer, Manager of Hardy's Shoes Store, was standing there." The above details would seem to buttress and corroborate the testimony and statements of Johnny Brewer as well. By the way, KLIF officially announced the death of President Kennedy at precisely 1:35 PM CST (which would have been two minutes after Assistant White House Press Secretary Malcolm Kilduff had made the official announcement of JFK's death from Parkland Hospital). So Julia Postal's estimated time for when that event occurred was just about spot-on perfect.

I can't see how it makes much difference, since Brewer obviously already knew that information himself. I hope you're not hinting at the idea that Johnny Brewer really didn't listen to ANY radio broadcasts on 11/22 and that he just LATER made up a story about listening to the radio bulletins before spotting Oswald near his store. Tell me you're not travelling down that bumpy road, Tony.

And yet we know for a fact that KLIF definitely did broadcast a "description" of a "suspect" (in the Kennedy murder), and KLIF re-broadcast that description at least three times before 1:10 PM. And yet Julia apparently heard none of those re-broadcasts, even though she WAS listening to KLIF. ~shrug~ Or are you going to LIMIT it to a description of TIPPIT'S killer (from Postal's POV)? Even though Postal was obviously NOT (in her mind) limiting any "description" of the suspect to JUST the shooting of the police officer.... MRS. JULIA POSTAL --...so, I told Johnny about the fact that the President had been assassinated. "I don't know if this is the man they want," I said, "in there, but he is running from them for some reason," and I said "I am going to call the police..."

FOOTNOTE --- After re-examining my KLIF-Radio file, I've now discovered that there are 7 minutes of missing audio footage in the first 2-and-a-half hours of my 3-hour and 17-minute copy of KLIF's 11/22/63 assassination coverage. From the timestamps provided by the on-air reporters, I've been able to determine that the missing seven minutes occur between precisely 1:37 PM and 1:44 PM (CST). This, therefore, leaves open the possibility that a bulletin concerning the Tippit shooting could have been broadcast by KLIF during the AWOL seven-minute period. However, if such a bulletin was broadcast during that time period, it would likely have been at a time when Johnny Brewer wasn't even inside his Hardy's Shoe Store to hear the bulletin on his transistor radio, because Brewer by that time had probably already left his store and followed Oswald up the street to the Texas Theater. But we must always keep in mind the fact that nobody was looking at a stopwatch or a clock when these events were unfolding on Jefferson Boulevard in Oak Cliff on November 22nd, so the word "approximately" must always be inserted into discussions like this one when we're talking about "timelines", etc. http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Johnny Brewer And The Shooting Of J.D. Tippit

From Dale Myers (in 2015).... ---- Quote On: ---- "The death certificate "discrepancy" - as I noted in "With Malice" - was explained during a 1983 interview I conducted with the late Dr. Paul Moellenhoff, who attended Tippit at Methodist. He told me that the clocks within the emergency area at Methodist showed different times - neither of them accurate as it turns out. He used the 1:15 p.m. time shown on one of the clocks. The time reported to the FBI by Dr. Liquori (With Malice [WM], 2013 [edition], p.557) - 1:24 pm - is probably the accurate one based on the recorded timing of Bowley's call, the recorded departure of the ambulance from 10th and Patton, and the known drive time from 10th and Patton to Methodist Hospital. DPD Officer Davenport noted that Moellenhoff removed one slug from Tippit's body at 1:30 pm (WM 2013 p.536). That same time (1:30 pm) made its way into Leavelle's homicide report (WM 2013 p.519) as the time Tippit was pronounced DOA (which couldn't possibly be true, right? You don't pull a slug from a body until after he's pronounced dead). This matches up with Moellenhoff's 1983 recollection that he removed a slug from the body within ten minutes of declaring Tippit DOA. My caption under the death certificate (WM 2013 p.506) seeks to clarify the discrepancy between the Time of Injury (1:18 pm) and the time Death Occurred (1:15 pm). Again, it stems from my conversation with Dr. Moellenhoff. The 1:18 pm time, of course, probably refers to the time that Bowley's radio call was received - not the actual time Tippit was shot. The 1:15 p.m. notation (although close in time to the actual moment of the shooting, as far as I can calculate) probably stems from Dr. Moellenhoff's use of an inaccurate Methodist emergency room clock. Interesting, huh? All this fuss because no one at Methodist bothered to synchronize the clocks to actual time (some running fast, some running slow). Can you imagine how many other death certificates were marked with times that were off by a few minutes? But what does it matter in those cases? Not one whit." -- Dale K. Myers; February 7, 2015 http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/tippit-timelines.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/tippit-timelines.html

But it depends on which "shooting" you're referring to. If you mean the Tippit shooting, then I think you're right---there was no radio report regarding the shooter's description put out within 15 minutes (or so) of the Tippit murder. But there was most definitely a "description" of President Kennedy's assassin broadcast on the radio, and that description was aired on KLIF Radio (the station that Tony Krome just said Brewer was listening to) as early as 12:54 PM (Dallas time), which would corroborate what Brewer said to Eddie Barker in his CBS-TV interview in 1964 when Brewer said this: "Right after the President was shot, they broadcast a description on the radio of this man..." If, in fact, Brewer was listening to KLIF Radio that day, the description he would have heard at 12:54 PM would have initially come from a female telephone operator at the Dallas Police Department, who quickly provided the description of the alleged Presidential assassin for a KLIF reporter who was recording the phone call for later broadcast. The description she provided was: "White male, 30 [years old], 5-10, 165, 30-caliber rifle, and I believe it was at Elm and Houston where it came from; now I don't know definitely and I don't like to say." [The audio can be heard below.] https://drive.google.com/file/KLIF-Radio Bulletin (12:54 PM CST) And then, two minutes later at 12:56 PM, KLIF's Gary DeLaune repeats the description (a little slower and clearer this time, with DeLaune adding two key words---"slender build"---to the description): https://drive.google.com/file/KLIF-Radio Bulletin (12:56 PM CST) For the record, the "5-10, 165 pounds" description was repeated again just three minutes later on KLIF, at 12:59 PM CST, and then yet again four minutes later at 1:03 PM. That description that was aired multiple times by KLIF, of course, doesn't quite match Johnny Brewer's figures that he provided in his '64 CBS interview. He said in that interview that the description he heard concerning Kennedy's assassin (not the description of Tippit's killer) was "5-8, 5-9, 150 pounds", which is not accurate. But that error can likely be attributed to a slightly bad memory on Mr. Brewer's part. But there is one KLIF bulletin (aired at 1:08 PM) which says that the assassin of JFK was "approximately 5 feet, 8 inches tall [and] weighs about 160 pounds".

Please point out to me where within this video John Brewer ever utters the words "part of the description". You're not going to find any such utterance by Brewer in that interview. Plus, why would Brewer need to rely on anybody else's description of the man when he (Brewer) can see for himself that Oswald was wearing a "brown shirt"?

OK. Thanks.

When did he say that?