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Jim, I'm new to the Education Forum, and have been searching for threads that approximate my own theory. Your comments are interesting because you address most of my main concerns: (1) the April 10th shooting at General Walker; (2) Marina's testimony about the Walker shooting, including the letter she identified as Lee Oswald's in WC evidence; (3) George DeMohrenschildt's testimony about the Walker shooting.
I find Marina's testimony believable (all of it, actually; I would like to see hard proof if I'm mistaken about this.) DeMohrenschildt's testimony confirms Marina's testimony. I feel I am on solid ground as I build my theory on this starting point.
Paul, The whole case against Oswald (as far as the Walker attempt goes) all hinges on Marina's testimony and I'm astonished to find anyone could find it believable. One of my favourite moments is when she testifies that Oswald took his rifle out of the house and buried it somewhere 3 days after the shooting but then realises how absurd this is so changes her mind immediately:
Mrs. OSWALD: Three days after the attempt--3 days after this attempt, he took the rifle from the house, took it somewhere and buried it.
Mr. LIEBELER: Three days after the attempt?
Mrs. OSWALD: Yes, yes.
Mr. LIEBELER: So that he actually took the rifle out of the house and took it away and hid it somewhere?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mrs. OSWALD: No; the day Lee shot at Walker, he buried the rifle because when he came home and told me that he shot at General Walker and I asked him where the rifle was and he said he buried it. (11H293)
The whole idea of Oswald taking a shot at Walker is only believable if he had an accomplice anyway. I mean, he didn't drive so, what, did he take his rifle on the bus? Or was he walking the streets with it?
As far as the hard evidence goes, there is none because the bullet recovered from the scene was quite clearly switched for one fired from Oswald's rifle.
The real bullet that was recovered from Walker's home was so badly mutilated that the Dallas Police Department said they were unable to run any ballistic tests on it. However the police report (found in CE 2001 24H39) did note that the bullet was a "steel jacket." I invite you to look at a colour photo of CE 573, the bullet entered into evidence by the commission, for it is immediately obvious that bullet is not steel jacketed. No one with any knowledge of firearms would describe it as such. Walker himself, a 30 year career army officer with extensive combat experience, knew that CE 573 was not the bullet fired through the window of his study for he had held the real bullet in his hand on the evening of the shooting. When Walker saw CE 573 on television in 1979 he was so outraged that he began a campaign to have the government "withdraw the substituted bullet."
Martin, thanks for the response. I have some questions about your doubts, here. Allen Dulles once suggested that all the truth about the JFK conspiracy is contained within the Warren Commission documents - if we 'split hairs'.
My questions have to do with Marina's fumbling about the Walker shooting. We notice Jeanne DeMohrenschildt fumbling about the incident, also, even worse than Marina. We notice George DeMohrenschildt changing his testimony, too.
But their fumbling betrays the events they tried to hide, I believe. Look at Marina's change of testimony -- she was looking at mental image picture of something that happened approximately "three days" after the April 10th shooting. According to the collective testimony, what event was that? It was the visit by George and Jeanne DeMohrenschildt to the Oswald home at 10pm on Easter Sunday (or perhaps the Saturday before, as some testimony avers).
Yes - Marina fumbled - but she finally spat out the truth. Oswald buried the rifle the night of the shooting. But why did she begin to lie about it? The clue is the "three days" time period. The DeMohrenschildt visit was far more revealing to everybody concerned than the uncomfortable silences conveyed. Marina at that time knew that George and Jeanne knew; and in a way she was relieved that somebody with a more stable head than Lee Oswald was now part of the picture.
Days later, when (as my theory goes) Banister and Ferrie invited Oswald to NOLA for an immediate covert project, he jumped at it, and Marina was relieved to get him out of Dallas. This was when Marina realized that the man she married had changed to the point of no-return. Lee had snapped, for some reason -- maybe it was because, as Jeanne DeMohrenschildt said, George Bouhe was buying Marina too many dresses (as Jeanne testified) and visiting Marina when Lee wasn't at home (as George testified). But he snapped.
So, yes, she began to lie according to her habitual secrecy, but then she stopped herself, remembered where she was, and told the truth.
OK - second point - as for that bullet. Although General Walker himself confirmed that the bullet fragments he found in his house did not match the bullets found in Oswald's rifle - General Walker still believed that Oswald was his April shooter, and maintained that position for the rest of his life. His explanation about the difference in bullets is that there were two shooters, and he always suspected that the CIA supplied the second shooter (and the other rifle). The Briscoe Center for American History has lots of examples of Walker's papers on this topic.
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Also, Paul,
Don't get your Schmidts mixed up. Volkmar Schmidt did come to USA from Germany but to work for the Magnolia Oil company, not for Walker. It was the Schmidt who placed the ad in the newspaper who came to USA from US Army in Germany to infiltrate the Conservative organizations.
JFKcountercoup: Volkmar Schmidt Interview
BK
Many thanks for the distinction, William. I was getting these two mixed up.
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I find Marina's testimony believable (all of it, actually; I would like to see hard proof if I'm mistaken about this.) DeMohrenschildt's testimony confirms Marina's testimony. I feel I am on solid ground as I build my theory on this starting point.
Tragically Paul, this could be the longest thread here if everyone gives just one example...
I'll get the ball rolling...
From Marina's HSCA testimony....
Mrs Porter: We had a short wave radio, I believe that is what you call, when you can listen to the foreign stations.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=38623
From FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Section 101
An examination of the radio and power supply was made by SA Winton P Walter, Electronics... the dial of the radio is marked "DB" (long wave) and "CB" (medium wave)... the radio will not receive short-wave radio broadcasts...
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62388&relPageId=15
Thanks for the response, Greg. Yet the example you shared might be considered a mistake, rather than a deliberate lie.
It is possible for somebody who is trained in chemistry (as Marina Porter was) to be ignorant about electronics. The differences between short-wave, medium-wave and long-wave radio are not known to everybody. I myself wouldn't count that as a lie.
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...Remember it is (present tense) Lee Harvey Oswald's wife that still believes and is the primary source for the information that implicates Oswald in the Walker shooting....can't get a person much closer to Oswald at the time who would today have perhaps more reasons to deny than to continue saying that Oswald was the person who shot at Walker.
...George Demohrenschildt...thought Oswald had attempted to assassinate Walker and even mentioned it directly to Oswald the day after the attempted assassination of Walker. Demohrenschildt then, apparently, gets a nice government contract in Haiti with, as many suggest, the help of US Intelligence. There are also the photographs of Walker's home that Marina had in her possession that showed Walker's residence and construction work that was done in the days immediately preceding the Walker incident. The backyard photos....just prior to the attempt on Walker...
...As Delgado suggested, if Oswald went to Germany on his way to the Soviet Union he could easily have been on an airplane with Walker who was, in the same time frame, traveling to either Hamburg or Frankfurt. If I paraphrase what Oswald is alledged to have said, Oswald believed that Walker was the leader of a very bad organization (motive) and if sombody would have stopped Hitler....
...All the above information could be used for either setting Oswald up as a patsy or having him as the shooter...Rather than accepting this possibility it seems researchers believe the only way to prove conspiracy is to prove that Oswald was not the shooter...
Jim Root
Jim, I'm new to the Education Forum, and have been searching for threads that approximate my own theory. Your comments are interesting because you address most of my main concerns: (1) the April 10th shooting at General Walker; (2) Marina's testimony about the Walker shooting, including the letter she identified as Lee Oswald's in WC evidence; (3) George DeMohrenschildt's testimony about the Walker shooting.
I find Marina's testimony believable (all of it, actually; I would like to see hard proof if I'm mistaken about this.) DeMohrenschildt's testimony confirms Marina's testimony. I feel I am on solid ground as I build my theory on this starting point.
I'd add two more concerns: (4) Volkmar Schmidt's testimony that at a party he tried to convince Lee Oswald that General Walker was pure evil; and (5) DeMohrenschildt's written statement to the HSCA (viz. his article, "I'm a Patsy! I'm a Patsy!") in which he said he also tried to convince Lee Oswald that General Walker was a bad person, and called him 'General Fokker' as a nickname to Lee Oswald, who laughed and also started calling General Walker 'General Fokker'.
Anyway, George DeMohrenschildt did not admit during his 1964 Warren Commission testimony that he urged Lee Oswald to hate General Walker. He was going to admit this to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1977 -- and did in writing -- but then he committed suicide instead. Also, in part of his testimony, George de Mohrenschildt said that he and Oswald were close with Volkmar Schmidt, and they saw him often, and they called him 'Messer' Schmidt as a nickname. Volkmar Schmidt is on video - a number of times - admitting that he spent a long time at that party convincing Oswald how bad Walker was - calling him a 'fascist' and so on.
(This raises another concern: (6) Lee Oswald's signed photo to George DeMohrenschildt with the joke, 'Hunter of fascists, Ha Ha' written on the back.)
I'd like to ask Schmidt more about this, because Schmidt came to Texas from Munich specifically to work for Walker full time! What changed his mind? Is it possible that General Walker (who was a lifetime bachelor) stepped out of line with Schmidt? I have read such things. But Schmidt at one point admired Walker, and then turned against him sharply. That's what the evidence suggests.
Here's my theory; George DeMohrenschildt told the WC that he and Jeanne found out about the Wed10Apr63 shooting at Walker on Easter Sun14Apr63. His written testimony to the HSCA admitted that he and Jeanne suspected it before they visited the Oswalds at 10pm on Easter Sunday, and that Jeanne wanted to search for the rifle on the pretext of touring the Oswald's new apartment (and Jeanne flubbed this testimony to the WC, very obviously). When they found the rifle, they quickly left the Oswald's apartment and never saw the Oswald's again - ever. It frightened them. That's their story. I find the combination of their WC and HSCA testimony believable. But I still think it is incomplete. What's missing is the further connection with General Walker. I believe that George and Jeanne told somebody about Oswald and the Walker shooting that very night. (Maybe Dymitri; maybe the CIA.) And whoever they told called General Walker that very night, and that is when Oswald became the patsy.
General Walker demonstrated many times in his personal correspondence that he knew Oswald was his shooter long before Marina told the FBI. Walker's archives in the Briscoe Center for American History at UT Austin document the many times he tried to convince people that Oswald was his shooter. This even came out in the Warren Commission testimony, as Liebeler tried to get Walker to explain how a German newspaper that interviewed Walker on the night after the JFK assassination, knew that Oswald was Walker's April shooter before anybody else did..
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http://www.amazon.com/review/R201FAZLB1ZD40
I gave the Morris Bealle Books a high Thumbs UP, as Bealle would never sell out to the Corporatists. Rare Breed in newspaper men. I don't think any Morris Bealles exist in todays reporting.
Morris Bealle was one of the rare Newspaper Men of the times. His several books on the Rockefellers are highly important historical accounts that get one very close to solving the JFK assassination...
In Morris Bealle's, GUNS OF THE REGRESSIVE RIGHT, we have a fictional account of a Presidential Assassination. President Joe Smith (i.e. JFK) is in conflict with the John Spruce Society (i.e. JBS). The 'Establishment' of 'Invisible Men' is in-between them - promoting communism in Latin America in order to produce chaos so that their Corporations can move in under the pretext of restoring order.
President Smith and his younger brother (i.e. RFK) are raising so many barriers for their international plot that they hire a foreign expert 'Santos' to develop a plan to assassination the President. Santos hires a professional hit man Sammy Tata, for $100,000 (where 1963 dollars are worth ten times more today). He also hires Grant Osteen (i.e. Lee Harvey Oswald), a disgruntled ex-Marine with a dishonorable discharge for once defecting to Russia, for $50,000. He also hires a coordinator, Colonel Mark McClay, a WW2 veteran and an expert in the US bureaucracy (i.e. Walker?) and finally, a member of the mafia, Bimstein, to eliminate both the hit-man and the decoy on the get-away boat (i.e. Ruby).
Everything goes according to plan until Osteen is arrested unexpectedly. The writing is good, and I am impressed at how many pieces Bealle correctly guessed in 1964.
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...Decades ago, I got to know Marina Porter, quite well, as a matter of fact....
DSL
This is most interesting - I didn't know this about your work, Mr. Lifton.
Robert Morrow tells me that you've compiled a lot of information about Lee Oswald - and I didn't know that about your work, either.
I would like to hear your views about a difference of opinion between myself and another researcher. I happen to believe, well, everything that Marina Oswald told the Warren Commission. After reviewing her testimony several times, I consistently come away impressed by her sincerity.
After all, she repeatedly said that the Warren Commission would not let her see all the evidence, and that Lee Oswald consistently withheld facts and basic truths from her, and without that evidence she was bluntly unsure of what to think. Still, based on the evidence she was allowed to see, it did appear that Oswald was (at least) one guilty party in the JFK assassination. I think that's an honest approach.
However, the person debating with me does not believe anything Marina said -- he thinks she lied about everything, especially the following:
1. That Marina took (at least one of) those pictures of Lee Oswald holding a rifle, a handgun and commie newspapers
2. That Lee Oswald gave George de Mohrenschildt one of those photographs marked, 'Hunter of fascists, ha ha,' and signed by Lee.
3. That Lee Oswald showed Marina his photos of General Walker's house which he had compiled into an assassination plan book
4. That Lee Oswald wrote a letter of instructions, telling Marina what to do in case Lee got arrested
5. That Lee Oswald confessed to her that he tried to shoot General Edwin Walker on April 10, 1963
6. That four days later, George and Jeanne De Mohrenschildt guessed that Lee was Walker's shooter, the last time they ever saw each other.
These six vital events in Lee Oswald's biography were sworn to be true by Marina Oswald (now Marina Porter), but are doubted by those who believe that the FBI and perhaps General Walker and others faked all those photographs, faked the letter, faked the Walker connection -- all to frame Oswald.
In my opinion, if Marina is tellling the truth, then these facts support my theory, namely, that Oswald's shooting at General Walker was the motivation suffered by Walker & Company in their decision to make Oswald their patsy.
What do you stand on these six points, Mr. Lifton? I'm most curious.
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General Edward Lansdale who was identified by Col. Fletcher Prouty and Gen. Victor Krulak is an excellent choice for having supervised the ground crew of the JFK assassination.
Prouty and Krulak identified Lansdale in this photograph:
http://www.prouty.org/tramps1.jpg
Major General Edward Lansdale was probably in operational charge of the assassination in Dallas. JFK did not make him ambassador to Vietnam in 1961, which Lansdale coveted. JFK did make Lansdale the Head of Operation Mongoose which was filled to the brim with CIA and anti-Castro Cubans who hated JFK as much as they hated Fidel Castro. Here is a photo of Lansdale taken on the sidewalk in front of and just a few feet west of the Texas School Book Depository: !
http://www.apfn.net/dcia/tramps1.jpg Fletcher Prouty gives his insights: http://www.prouty.org/letter.html Here is a 3/14/85
letter by Gen. Victor H. Krulak also identifying Edward Lansdale at the TSBD on 11/22/63:
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html Edward Lansdale, the CIA’s assassinations expert, - his presence in Dallas indicts the CIA.
Here is a Lansdale bio: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/COLDlansdale.htm Also, Wikipedia on Lansdale: : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lansdale Forget the 3 tramps, the identification of Lansdale by Fletcher Prouty and
General Krulak is the jewel in that photo! Edward Lansdale had a rectangular head: http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=gen+edward+lansdale&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
More on Ed Lansdale and his black warfare in the 1950’s in Vietnam: http://www.historynet.com/ed-lansdales-black-warfare-in-1950s-vietnam.htm
[in the book Edward Lansdale’s Cold War by Jonathan Nashel, there is a picture taken in 1986, the year before Lansdale died, of Lansdale and a bunch of 1980’s Cold Warriors, including Oliver North. [p. 126, Edward Lansdale’s Cold War]. Oliver North considered himself a protégé of Lansdale and referred to himself as “Lansdalian.” The Washington Post says Oliver North “was already Lansdale-ized when he reached the NSC. Oliver North had a plan to suspend the U.S. Constitution called Rex 84 Alpha, short for Readiness Exercise 1984. North also had a similar plan called “Operation Sledgehammer.” (See Al Martin’s blockbuster book The Conspirators: Confessions of an Iran-Contra Insider. Jeb Bush and Oliver North come off looking very, very bad in this book.)
Robert, I'm impressed with this new insight. This is more ground-level than your usual HL Hunt focus. Today we seem to agree on the Pentagon as the level at which the scope of the Dallas hit would be properly managed. The Secret Service lacks this wide a scope; ditto the CIA proper; they were bit-players. A General, especially one with Special Operations experience, has a scope wide enough for the planning, the execution and the long-term cover-up.
Lansdale? Your letter from Fletcher Prouty was like cold water in my face. Contrary to Canfield and Weberman in their book, COUP DE ETAT IN AMERICA (1975) the three tramps were not the November shooters. (That should have been clear because the tramp who looked like Howard Hunt was short, while the tramp who liked like Frank Sturgis was tall.) Prouty and Krulak, two men who knew Lansdale personally, say the man with his back to the camera in the tramps photo was General Lansdale. And as Canfield and Weberman already pointed out, the policemen guarding the tramps were bogus (they were posing for the camera and didn't know how to hold their weapons or dress properly). So, Fletcher Prouty is right - the tramps were another decoy. But why were they led by a Military General?!?
Prouty successfully placed Lansdale at the Dallas scene -- but that is barely circumstantial evidence. Prouty failed to give Lansdale a believable motive for the JFK hit. However, a second General at the Dallas scene could give weight to my proposal that General Walker (who had a powerful motive) was the center of the cyclone. Military Generals stick together; that could be an adequate motive for Lansdale to be in Dallas; to support Walker by leading a team of decoys.
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Like you, I'm very interested in "the Jack Martin film." The Collectors Archive seems to have vanished, so I wonder if anyone has documentary evidence of the film or its provenance. My understanding is that it was provided to the FBI by "a tourist" named or called "Jack Martin," but I am not sure that the Warren Commission received it.
Hopefully, Bill Kelly can tell you a little about Jack Martin, although there are several, but you are referring to the Jack Martin who filmed in Dallas on November 22, 1963....
And let me tell you from having a detailed examination of this guy, he is in the middle of everything....
It would not be an exaggeration in the least to say that he had a "sixth sense" about the importance of Lee Harvey Oswald,
and yes, I am being facetious....Or rather, I believe he was just too "in the right place at the right time," that day for it to be "dumb luck."
The guy even had New Orleans connections....He is, how do you say, "all over the place."
Regarding the title of this thread and it's "seemingly incompatibility to a plot that was hatched by CIA Cold Warriors
and provided a role to the Secret Service and Army Intelligence and local right wingers;" the whole essence of the JFK assassination is summed up in one revealing insight.
There is not a point of historical reference to the type of assassination that resulted in JFK's death....
Although the Lincoln assassination.....if you believe John Wilkes Booth didn't have confederates and there was collusion
within Lincoln's cabinet, is something of that nature.
The point I am trying to make, is that for the sake of argument, IF and count me among those who believe the premise;
IF the assassination of JFK was a massive conspiracy.....the planners and specifically those who controlled those
at the lower level, were black ops specialists....
In other words, think of it as, can the average American even conceptualize what kind of cast of characters from A to Z would be involved in such a thing...No!
Another point and I detest using the following as analogous, but it just fits too well.
The scene in the movie JFK where Senator Long [Walter Matthau] is on the jet with Jim Garrison [Kevin Costner]
and the quote:
If I were investigatin', I'd round up the 100 best riflemen in the world and find out which ones were in Dallas that day."
The point is, if the braintrust of the US Government had acted as they should, [and read Manchester's Death of A President, to understand all the bigwigs in Washington were extremely worried as soon as Oswald was arrested
that the Dallas Police Department would not ensure Oswald's safety; period.]
The possibility of a Soviet or Cuban plot was ostensibly the dominant fear, to read the official histories, but
the persons who knew black ops never voiced a concern over a black operation or a banana republic style coup d'etat.
But what should have happened is what did eventually happen in the Philippines after Marcos' ouster in the "peaceful revolution" which resulted in the ascension of Benito Aquino's widow Corazon Aquino. She ordered an investigation and [bTW, there are striking similarities between the assassination of Benito Aquino on the tarmac of the airport in Manila and what happened in Dallas]
When Corazon Aquino convened the investigation, it led directly to the conviction and imprisonment of a large number of Marcos' General's and members of the intelligence network.
What should have happened is our government should have had enough integrity to investigate ALL the Intelligence
agencies and the Cabinet. With what we know now and what could have been done, the same result could have happened
as what took place in the Philippines in the aftermath of the short administration of Cory Aquino, as a matter of fact it was that event which led me back to doing JFK research.
I realize their are a lot of people who just read the books and examine the theories, but what I am really trying to say is that the assassination of JFK WAS a black op, and if the proper response had taken place, C.D. Jackson, Allen Dulles, David Atlee Phillips, and Richard Helms should have been detained and treated as suspects......
But the rub is, is that there was so many who knew in advance and who wanted it to happen of that group that the idea that those sacred cows in the intelligence agencies would even be questioned, let alone detained, was as about as possible as Goldwater defeating JFK in 1964 had JFK lived. Because to a great degree, THEY WERE THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, albeit Dulles had been fired by JFK over the BOP, he did get a pretty nice cameo as a member of the Warren Commission
That Germanic themes pop up everywhere in the whole post assassination investigation is a clue in itself...
Thanks, Rob Howard, for your feedback. I'd like to respond to a few of your interesting points:
1. It would be great to learn more about Jack Martin in this thread; I mean the Jack Martin who worked for Guy Banister, who was pistol-whipped by Guy Banister on 11/22/1963, who complained to Jim Garrison about it, and who eventually told Garrison everything he knew about 544 Camp Street on the condition of lifetime anonymity. This is the biography I want to explore more, because in my opinion, this same Jack Martin made the "Jack Martin Film" or home movie. If I'm wrong about this, I'd like to know how.
2. You suggest that the essence of the JFK assassination can be summarized in a sentence: that there is no precedent in history for it. I tend to agree; the first parallel that comes to mind is Nero's assassination in ancient Rome, when he was given up by his Praetorian Guard. But even with Nero, nobody proposed a patsy for it.
Also, whenever any US President was assassinated, the assassin always boasted loudly to the press that he did it, that the President deserved it, and that he would do it again. The JFK assassination didn't have that common scenario. It seems, rather, that whoever killed JFK was ashamed of it, and they wanted to hide their involvement at any cost. So this was a sort of underhanded, sneaky kind of assassination.
Also, because of the many loose ends that were so quickly tied up, it necessarily involved large numbers of people, and they planned each step meticulously. The closest examples I've read about were Italian mob hits that included patsies who were quickly killed. Also, the burning of the German Reichstag, probably by the Nazi Party, used a retarded patsy who could not defend himself and was quickly executed.
So, the closest parallel to an assassination of this kind, that I can think of, is the ZR/Rifle plan by CIA agent, William Harvey. (Now, I'm not saying that William Harvey was part of the ground-crew, only that the plan to hit Kennedy resembles his plan to a significant degree.)
3. In your theory, Rob, the conspiracy to hit JFK was a Black Op, and the planners and supervisors of the ground-crew were Black Ops specialists. This also agrees with Fletcher Prouty, who was very close to the events. Yet, for me, even Black Ops specialists take orders from superiors, like the Military Commandos who standardized the procedures during WW2.
I think you recognized, Rob, that the Secret Service isn't placed highly enough to coordinate all the loose ends of an action of this magnitude. Their manipulation was indispensible, but their control of the entire procedure would have been impossible. Yet the Pentagon is surely placed highly enough.
I don't accuse the Pentagon, directly. Yet the Pentagon is so large that its bureaucracy is as unweildy as any Corporation bureacracy, and bad guys can sneak around in a large bureacracy for a long time. All that were needed inside the Pentagon were a few highly placed bad apples, perhaps friends of an ex-General (like Walker) who had a strong, justifiable vendetta against the Kennedys.
This is not either/or. Fletcher Prouty also cited the General from whom he himself took orders. It was definitely a group effort.
4. You cited Senator Long, Rob, when he told Garrison that he'd round up the 100 best riflemen in the world and find out which were in Dallas that day. I would add an obserrvation. I would say that 100 of the best riflemen in the world lived in Dallas! There were so many members of the NRA, so many members of the Ku Klux Klan, so many members of the Minutemen, so many ex-Military men, including those who had served under General Walker, that nobody needed to go outside Dallas to find superb shooters with the utmost loyalty to their paramilitary leaders. This is a distinct possibility, in my theory.
5. The difference in the experience of LBJ and Corazon Aquino is this: Corozon knew she had a segment of the military on her side - a segment large enough to make the arrests of the assassinating Generals in her country. LBJ did not have this, because, I suspect, JFK did not have it. JFK had alienated the Pentagon for so many sequential months that his support dwindled to near-zero. The same applies to JFK's alienation of the FBI, of the CIA (i.e. Cord Meyer), of the Secret Service (i.e. those who procured girls for him), and so on. So, anybody who knew about this Dallas plot could fairly safely presume that nobody anywhere in the Government would break the silence. It was nearly unanimous - JFK had precious few friends in his own Government.
6. Was it Black Ops? Of course - but this does not link it onlyto the CIA. There are plenty of trained marksmen in the USA who practice with their rifles on a daily basis, and who are always available for a patriotic emergency. At this point, it is a matter of grasping their politics and their definition of a patriotic emergency.
7. And with a leader like General Edwin Walker, who was fiercely right-wing, the climate was too dangerous in Dallas for JFK to have ventured into that motorcade. That's my theory.
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5...Walker sheets dated 10/1989:
"DEALEY PLAZA DALLAS - APRIL TO NOVEMBER: ...As the prime suspect in Dallas Police custody by midnight, following an "Attempted Assassination" at 9pm, April 10th, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald was released from custody on Kennedy orders...the release was accomplished before working hours on April 11th 1963..."
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6...Kerrville Daily Times on Sunday, January 19, 1992:
"...The President went to Dallas knowing and protecting his November assassin Lee H. Oswald from prosecution for his April Crime - "Attempted Assassinati of the former General working at his desk in his Dallas home, 9:00pm, April 10." The Kennedy protection included an early-morning, secret release of the prime suspect Lee H. Oswald, from Dallas Police custody on Kennedy orders, April 11. The President did not live to know that he knew his assassin but everyone else lived to know that he did, and that his assassin could not be prosecuted for the November Crime bcause of his Kennedy protection for his April Crime..."
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13...To HSCA, June 23, 1975:
Dear Senator Church:
The Warren Commission found and concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to assassinate the undersigned at his home, at 9pm. on April 10, 1963. The initial and immediate investigation at the time of the incident reported two men at my home, one with a gun, seen by an eye-witness -- a neighbor. Within days I was informed by a Lieutenant on the Dallas City Police Force that Oswald was in custody by 12pm that night for questioning. He was released on a higher authority than that in Dallas. There were two men, not a "Lonely Loner". Please inform me if the CIA was involved in this attempted assassination?
Yours sincerely,
Edwin A. Walker
--- END QUOTE EDWIN A. WALKER ---
It is just this post-JFK assassination behavior by Gen. Edwin Walker that makes me think he was NOT directly involved in the JFK assassination. He is stirring the pot a bit too much, writing letters, talking about Oswald supposedly shooting him, writing letters to the HSCA ... the real killers would just SHUT UP and not draw attention to themselves.
I think Walker was probably personally friends with the murderers of JFK, but they did not let him into the plot or tell him about it. I am thinking of H.L. Hunt.
By the way, I do not think at all that Oswald shot at Walker. I think that concept is ridiculous and just disinfo that the government tried to wrap Oswald with.
Actually, Robert, I think that your doubts are interesting and deserve a lot of consideration; which is the very reason that I favored this thread by Chris Halbower, who more than 2.5 years ago posed the problem unusually well:
But isn't it interesting that Marina provided pictures? This means one of two things:
A. Oswald was involved in the Walker shooting
B. The pictures were planted and Oswald was innocent.
...If Oswald was not involved, there was a conspiracy to frame Oswald for the Walker shooting...
In order for Oswald to be innocent of shooting at Walker, then Walker (and/or his confederates) had to plant a lot of evidence, and he had to do it at the extreme earliest, a few hours after Kennedy was shot and killed.
I say this because we have material evidence that can hardly be doubted -- namely, a German newspaper in Munich that published an interview between a reporter and Edwin Walker taken the day after Kennedy was shot, where Edwin Walker was already telling the reporter that Oswald was his shooter! On November 23rd!
Now - how likely is Chris' item 'B' above, such that Walker would: {a} take all these photos of his house; {b} write a fake letter framing Oswald; {c} plant these among Marina's possessions; {d} request J. Edgar Hoover and his men to force Marina to say that Oswald was his April shooter; and {e} do all this before his 11/23/1963 interview with the Deutsche Nationalzeitung?
For simplicity I will boil the choices down to the two extremes:
* Readers who say it is unlikely agree with me -- that Oswald was the shooter, that Walker found out about it months before Marina told anybody in the world, and this was his (and/or his confederates) motivation to frame Oswald as the patsy.
* On the other hand, Robert, readers who say it is likely agree with you. Yet let's proceed slowly: you seem to suggest that by calling all this inordinate and superfluous attention to himself, that he is simply trying to push himself in front of the camera for no good reason . Yet there is so much of this pot stirring that what I find hard to believe is that there is no reason for it!
On the contrary - let's say, for the sake of argument, that Edwin Walker made up the whole April-shooter-Oswald story, and then took enormous trouble to plant all this evidence, and arrange with the FBI to accept his story and sell it to Marina and the world. Yes, that is what your position must eventually imply Robert.
Now, doesn't this extreme and bizarre behavior suggest the behavior of a guilty person? Is this not classic cover-up behavior? Who covers up so intensely except the guilty party?
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Paul, is there any correspondence there between Ned Touchstone or John Sullivan (memory name, head of Louisiana Sovereignty Commission. Even, while I'm at it, Eastland, Birdsong, Beckwith, Van Landringham, etc: in that milieu, in the archive?
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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18063&view=findpost&p=233221
http://mdah.state.ms...43|1|1|1|43755| search button down the bottom for Ned Touchstone. Look out for "The Councilor" edition that reports the arrival in Shreveport as well as the reporting (in German and translation and some commentary) about the German article re Oswald.
Perhaps there is a way to track these guys in the days following the assassination too.
Good questions, good leads, John. I'll look these up. It will take some time, as the Walker archives are stored offsite, and must be specially ordered, and can only be viewed during limited hours. Also, they are all still in folders in cardboard boxes, and not completely indexed yet. So, as I say, it will take some time, but eventually I expect to answer your question, one way or the other.
Best regards...
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George de Mohrenschildt, who reported to the world vojhd or head of the White Russian National Fascist Organization, Anastase Vonsiatsky, also believed that Oswald was "led" by others. Later De Mohrenschildt was to go so far as to say he felt "responsible" for Oswald's behavior.
The proposed testimony of George de Mohrenschildt (DM) to the HSCA was disappointing, as the man was in 1977 a wreck, having lost his lucrative Haiti contract due to the scandal caused by his subpoena to testify before the Warren Commission in 1964, his subsequent poverty, and his wife's leaving him.
But his testimony to the Warren Commission is worth repeating. He sympathized with Oswald, and defended him as a patsy - even in 1964. But he also showed his true colors many times. When he spoke about the Hedonist Club in Dallas, for example, he admitted that he once repeated the views of a famous Nazi. He knew this upset one of his Jewish associates; but he didn't care. He also admitted to taking hiking to South America in 1959 to take pictures and drawings of the site of the Bay of Pigs! He had been arrested on charges of spying numerous times.
The testimony of his wife, Jeanne DM, showed her true colors as somebody who 'preferred to live among whites,' and who was disappointed with New York City because she 'expected more from white people.' In other conversations she suggested George DM had served the Nazis.
George DM also admitted that he and Volkmar Schmidt tried to convince Oswald that Walker was a terrible person. (In his essay, I'm A Patsy!, George DM and Oswald would call Walker, General Fokker.) For this reason, Volkmar Schmidt once said he felt somewhat 'responsible' for Oswald's attempt to kill Walker. Perhaps George DM shared that responsibility, too.
Why was somebody like George DM, from a wealthy and noble family, enormously educated, well-connected, spending so much time with Oswald and Marina?
The reasons might be shocking. George DM was a womanizer, and not ashamed of it. When George DM and George Bouhe first decided to pay the Oswald's a visit (as they had heard of their presence in Fort Worth through the Russian Emigre grapevine) they simply drove over to the Oswald residence uninvited, unknown, in the mid-afternoon when Lee Oswald was not at home. They were more interested in Marina. Marina did invite them in and offered them a glass of wine. George Bouhe was smitten with Marina. Over the course of the next several weeks, according to Jeanne DM, George Bouhe would give Marina "more than a hundred dresses," and when questioned she insisted this was no exaggeration, since she helped Marina pack when she would embark on one of her many address changes in Fort Worth and Dallas.
This was not ordinary American culture in Dallas in 1963. This all came out in the Warren Commission (WC) testimony, but the lawyers did not press these points of impropriety - because these were not germane to the case being heard. Or were they? Jeanne de Morhenschildt believed that Oswald was driven into a jealous rage by all these gifts for Marina, especially by George Bouhe, whom he began to threaten, so that Bouhe felt intimidated.
It seems George DM was playing a shameless game of cat and mouse with Oswald. But Lee seemed to really enjoy it. He genuinely liked George DM, and seemed to like very few other people in Texas then. He tried to please George DM, and called him his friend. Insofar as Oswald was still connected with extreme right-wing Marine ideals, he began to complain to George DM and Volkmar Scmidt (whom George and Lee called, 'Messer Schmidt'). Lee complained about the Bay of Pigs and the great tragedy of the Cuban Exiles who were abandoned by the USA.
But to take his mind off that, George DM and V. Schmidt taught Oswald about General Edwin Walker. This was a truly wicked man - a fascist - they taught him. They may have whipped Oswald up to such a state of suggestion that he was driven by their arguments to assassinate Walker on 4/10/1963. (Schmidt said he thought this was the case.) If so, this would best explain why George DM had a copy of that famous photo of Oswald and firearms, and signed on the back, "to my friend George from Lee Oswald - Hunter of Fascists."
I believe this theme comes through the WC testimony if we engage in some creative 'hair splitting'.
Anyway - everything reaches an apex on 4/10/1963 when Oswald (and possibly one other person, now unknown) attempted to kill General Walker. We've become numb to this, but in its day it was important news. Especially in Dallas - as the would-be assassin was still on the loose - there was daily talk about the April 10th shooting.
As the testimony of George and Jeanne DM tell it -- they decide to visit the Oswalds on Easter Sunday (4/14/1963) at about 10pm. They have a toy rabbit for the baby - who will not be awake because it is so late. They knock on the Oswald's door and there's no answer. So they bang on the door. The lights go on, and one of them (Jeanne says she cannot remember which one) comes to the door in PJ's. This is just a friendly Easter visit...but Jeanne wastes no time in asking for a tour of the apartment.
Yet in her testimony, Jeanne DM could not remember if this was her first visit there or not! She got nervous and the attorney noticed it. She then explained that this *must* have been her first time there, otherwise, why would she ask for a tour? Such rationalization is typical of lying behavior. Yet since the attorney let this slide, let us overlook it for now. The fact remains that Jeanne insisted on a tour of the apartment. The search came to a halt when Jeanne noticed the rifle in the closet. 'Why do you have a rifle?' 'Well, Lee likes to have one, to shoot leaves in the park when he takes the baby for walks.' Such a ridiculous answer escaped nobody.
Yet Jeanne herself hesitates here. She was surprised, she claimed, since she was not used to seeing these guns, or rifles, or whatever they are called, with these knicknacks or telescopic sights on them. Although, she also admitted, her father was a rifle-buff and had a large collection, so she was raised around guns and rifles all her life. Besides, she loved skeet shooting: "absolutely loved it."
In any case, she stops the tour there, and calls out to George that she found a rifle in the apartment. The mood is tense as a hush fills the apartment. Then George DM breaks the silence with a joke - 'Lee, did you take a pot-shot at General Walker?' There is a little more stunned silence - and then George DM breaks out in a laugh, as if to say, 'only joking!' At this point everybody is relieved and has a good hearty laugh - except Lee, who chuckles suspiciously. Then the evening is quickly ended and the visitors leave.
Now - when Marina first told this story to the WC, it was different. When the de Mohrenschildt's first entered the house George immediately joked to Lee, 'Lee, how is it that you missed Walker?' Marina said that Lee looked at her, as if to say, did you tell him? And she looked at Lee as if to say, did you tell him? No, was their silent answer to each other, so after a moments hesitation, they all laughed if somewhat nervously. (But when Marina was asked by the WC about the discrepancy in the stories, she said with conviction that her account was rushed and nervous, and that George DM's account was the correct one.)
There is an interesting addition to this story in George DM's 1977 essay, "I'm a Patsy, I'm a Patsy,' namely, that on the drive over to the Oswald's home, the de Mohrenschildt's worried out loud whether Lee was the shooter at General Walker! This never came out in the WC testimony, but it is so revealing. I believe it is the single most revealing item in the entire testimony of George and Jeanne DM, namely, the Walker shooting episode.
Their discovery that Lee was that sort of a hothead would prompt them to break all ties with the Oswald's, and avoid them as far as possible from that moment on.
Furthermore, George's discovery that Lee was Walker's shooter could not have ended there. George and Jeanne were ultra-conservative and well-connected. George told *somebody* about this, even if it was only his brother, Dimytri von Mohrenschildt (or Anastase Vonsiatsky). But Dimytri was well connected. Like a wildfire this report from George de Mohrenschildt would reach the ears of General Walker, Guy Banister and David Ferrie - and all the people they trusted.
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But isn't it interesting that Marina provided pictures? This means one of two things:
A. Oswald was involved in the Walker shooting
B. The pictures were planted and Oswald was innocent.
If Oswald was involved, there was a conspiracy to shoot Walker (see my arguments above). If Oswald was not involved, there was a conspiracy to frame Oswald for the Walker shooting.
The Tippet shooting has been called the Rosetta Stone of the JFK assassination. Why would Oswald shoot a police officer unless he was guilty of killing the President? I submit that the Walker shooting is the Rosetta Stone of the Tippet murder. To prove Oswald had a previous capacity to commit violence, the Walker shooting was pinned on him.
But what of the accomplice?
Once the Warren Commission established that Marina had numerous pictures of Walker's place taken by Oswald, physical evidence existed that linked Oswald to the Walker shooting. However the Warren Commission curiously ignored the conspiracy angle of the Walker shooting. Was this by design?
Is it not a fatal flaw in the Warren Commission's findings to conclude that Oswald was part of a conspiracy to shoot General Walker in April 1963 but was a lone nut in the murders of Kennedy and Tippet in November 1963? Thus, the incontravertible evidence of a conspiracy to kill Walker was glossed over. The only evidentiary value offered was that Oswald tried to kill Walker. No mention of an accomplice.
Does anyone know who Oswald's accomplice might be in Dallas, April 1963?
Chris, more than two-and-a-half years ago you asked some interesting questions without finding answers in this thread. I wish to address your questions again.
This year the Briscoe Center for American History in Austin, TX opened more of its Edwin A. Walker archives. I pass that library on my way to work, so I spent some time there last summer. What I found there might shed some light on these questions.
1. You may already be aware from General Walker's Warren Commission Testimony that attorney Liebeler failed to get an answer from Walker regarding how he knew that Oswald was his April shooter before 11/23/1963, when he spoke with Hasso Thorsten of the Deutsche Nationalzeitung on that day with that bit of news.
2. Liebeler had Walker on the ropes, because the evidence was clear - the newspaper had been printed - and the story was there. Here is how it opened in Munich on 11/29/1963: "The murderer of Kennedy made an attempt on General Walker's life early in the summer when General Walker was sitting in his study. The bullet missed Walker's head only by inches. Oswald was seized. The following investigation, as it was reported, was stopped through the influence of the US Attorney General, Robert Kennedy. If Oswald had been investigated, he eventually would have been imprisoned for many years, and so he would not have been in a position to commit the murder of the US President, Mr. John F. Kennedy."
3. It is interesting that Walker told Thorsten that "Oswald was seized." Walker repeated this story many times over the decades, sending it to many newspapers, even into the 1990's.
4. Walker believed that Jesse Curry had Oswald in custody on 4/10/1963, the night of the shooting, but Robert Kennedy called the Secret Service in Dallas to pressure Curry into releasing Oswald!
5. Here's another snippet from Walker's personal archives. It appears along with sheets dated 10/1989. These pages are signed by Walker's own hand:
"DEALEY PLAZA DALLAS - APRIL TO NOVEMBER: ...As the prime suspect in Dallas Police custody by midnight, following an "Attempted Assassination" at 9pm, April 10th, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald was released from custody on Kennedy orders...the release was accomplished before working hours on April 11th 1963..."
6. Here's another snippet from an editorial by Edwin A. Walker, Dallas, to the Kerrville Daily Times on Sunday, January 19, 1992:
"...The President went to Dallas knowing and protecting his November assassin Lee H. Oswald from prosecution for his April Crime - "Attempted Assassinati of the former General working at his desk in his Dallas home, 9:00pm, April 10." The Kennedy protection included an early-morning, secret release of the prime suspect Lee H. Oswald, from Dallas Police custody on Kennedy orders, April 11. The President did not live to know that he knew his assassin but everyone else lived to know that he did, and that his assassin could not be prosecuted for the November Crime bcause of his Kennedy protection for his April Crime..."
7. Walker was convinced that Oswald was his shooter -- and he did not need for Marina to announce it to the Warren Commission or the FBI in early December, 1963. How did he know?? That's the puzzle that Liebeler wanted to solve - but Walker would not tell him.
8. In fact, Walker misguided Liebeler and said that he really didn't believe that Oswald was his shooter! Yet Liebeler had proof to the contrary in the hard copy of the Deutsche Nationalzeitung of 11/29/1963, which provides a transcript of the phone conversation between Walker and Thorsten on 11/23/1963 - when Oswald was still alive in the Dallas jailhouse.
9. Much of this information is also available on the Mary Ferrell Foundation web site: (FBI Files on Edwin Walker, 116-165494 File, Section 2)
10. Now to address your question. Walker was convinced - from start to finish - that there were two shooters.
11. This is partly why Walker complained to the HSCA that the bullet they had did not match the bullet he saved from the April shooting. (The HSCA bullet had a copper jacket, and the Walker bullet had a steel jacket.)
12. But Walker was convinced that Oswald acted along with somebody else - probably the CIA or Secret Service or somebody sent by Robert Kennedy.
13. To the HSCA Walker also sent this fascinating letter on June 23, 1975:
------------- BEGIN QUOTE EDWIN A. WALKER ---------
Dear Senator Church:
The Warren Commission found and concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to assassinate the undersigned at his home, at 9pm. on April 10, 1963. The initial and immediate investigation at the time of the incident reported two men at my home, one with a gun, seen by an eye-witness -- a neighbor. Within days I was informed by a Lieutenant on the Dallas City Police Force that Oswald was in custody by 12pm that night for questioning. He was released on a higher authority than that in Dallas. There were two men, not a "Lonely Loner". Please inform me if the CIA was involved in this attempted assassination?
Yours sincerely,
Edwin A. Walker
----------- END QUOTE EDWIN A. WALKER ------
14. So, this shows that Walker, twelve years after the incident, was still concerned that the CIA was a part of the plot to kill him, and he hoped that Senator Church and the later HSCA would confirm his suspicisions.
15. In another signed letter from General Walker, this one to Representative Lamar Smith in 1990, Walker requests the release of all JFK assassination files. This was to be in celebration of the Berlin Wall coming down, as well as in protest of the lockdown of JFK files for 75 years. Walker was quite aged at this time, but he wanted to see *everybody* who tried to kill him on April 10, 1963.
There is more in the Briscoe Center, Chris, but I wanted to address your questions with this today.
Best regards...
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Lamar Waldron posted 24 parallels between CIA assassin recruiter QJWIN and Michel Victor Mertz as an endnote supplement to Legacy of Secrecy.
See http://www.legacyofsecrecy.com/documents.html
Similar or the same information was published in Waldron and Hartmann's Ultimate Sacrifice in chapter 43, note 40.
It's worth a look but best understood in the context of the books.
According to the article, 'Prince of Theives' by E. Burton Mercer (Probable Cause Australia, 11/1994) the true identity of QJ/WIN was the WW2 French Army captain, Michael Victor Mertz.
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What kind of confusing crap is this?
First of all he was was killed by Foreign a Intelligence Operation ( the CIA ) operating out of Mexico City.
I have to admit I never read the rest of your nonsense.
Look at the facts and you can see the government ordered the Secret Service to facilitate the murder of John Fitgerald Kennedy, the President of the United States.
The CIA ( or John Simkin's definition of intelligence operations ) were the boots on the ground and those functioning as the "government" ordered, planned and covered up the regicide.
Peter, let's see if I can clarify the thread. Nobody has discounted the possibility of a Secret Service participation at some level. No conclusion has been agreed upon that the JFK hit was guided by foreign intelligence.
Rather, the theme as I see it is to measure the extent to which foreign operators were involved, and how they would have been involved given the facts of the case, and the suspects considered.
For example, Cuban Exiles were involved -- exiles from the former Batista intelligence are likely suspects.
For example, Russian Exiles were involved -- children of exiles from the former Russian Monarchy (i.e. George de Morhenschildt)
For example, German ex-Nazis were involved -- not necessarily at a command level, but perhaps at an advisory level.
For example, foreign Mafia were involved -- i.e. Carlos Marcello was not a U.S. citizen
All of these foreign nationals have been widely identified as having been involved at some level in the JFK assassination.
Now - summing them all up, we have an extreme right-wing inside the USA. These were extremists by themselves, but combined together in their hatred for the Kennedy administration, we have a super-hatred.
Was there one extreme right-wing American who could unite and persony that super-hatred? Did that person live in Dallas, with plenty of control over the local right-wing in Dallas? If so, that person could and should be a prime suspect for the planning and ground execution of the plan to assassinate JFK.
This is more satisfying than asserting that "the government" ordered "the Secret Service" to kill Kennedy, because such a generalization does not name the ground-crew. This was always Allen Dulles' challenge to the conspiracy theorists -- if you can't name the ground-crew, then you really haven't solved anything at all.
So, to identify the ground-crew, we first need to define their political orientation. With the evidence available, the extreme right-wing fits the profile best.
I don't believe that reearchers have adequately explored General Edwin Walker. Would his extreme right-wing connections (not only in Dallas, or among the local Police, or the local oil barons, or even in Germany, but also in the local paramilitary, the official military and the Pentagon) be willing to coordinate under his supervision? I think so.
So we're exploring this; this is the gist of this thread, in my view, Peter. Does this clarify the thread for you?
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Who is Walker's good friend Dr. Frey?
Okay, I'll answer my own question.
Or rather, John Simkin answers, with a tip of the hat, errr umbrella to Mae Brussell.
Walker's good friend is Dr. Gerald Frey, the editor of the paper and associated with Gehlen's operation that debriefed refugees, with whom he must have been in contact with previously.
Also, Schmidt and the guys who put together the full page ad were formerly soldiers under Walker in Germany who came to Dallas to take over some conservative organizations, which should be noted.
It's certainly interesting that they named the hotel near the "Eagle's Nest," where the attempted assassination and coup took place in 1944, after Gen. Walker, as Volkmar Schmidt knew some of those guys, and mentioned that assassination attempt to Oswald, in relation to Gen. Walker.
JFKcountercoup: Volkmar Schmidt Interview
Which begs the question of whether Dr. Frey know any of these guys?
BK
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbrussel.htm
(3) Mae Brussell, TheNazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination (November, 1983)
The Eagle's Nest, now a mountain restaurant, was given toAdolf Hitler by nazi aide Martin Bormann for the fuhrer's 50th birthday. It isnot far from Hitler's former summer home in Berchtesgaden.
Nearby is the Platterhof Hotel, built for guests when theycame to pay their respects. The Platterhof has changed its name to the General Walker Hotel.
November 23, 1963,one day after Kennedy's death, Gen. Edwin Walker called Munich, Germany, from Shreveport, La.
Walker'simportant story, via transatlantic telephone, was to the nazi newspaperDeutsche National Zeitung un Soldaten-Zeitung. Walkercouldn't wait to tell them in Munichthat Lee Harvey Oswald, the lone suspect in the Dallasmurders, was the same person who shot through his window in April, 1963.
There was never one shred of evidence, or a reliablewitness, that could make this connection Dallaspolice and FBI were taken by surprise.
In order to cover this over-exuberance of trying to link aMarxist assassin to this altercation, it became necessary to have Ruth Painedeliver that ridiculous letter to Marina Oswald on December 3, 1964. The delayed letter was to have beenwritten the night Lee was out shooting in Walker'shome.
The only piece of bullet that remained in custody was neverpositively identified as coming from the 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, and there isno proof Oswald even handled this rifle.
Why was General Walker in such a hurry to get hisinformation printed in Germanybefore anybody in Dallas ever heardabout it?
Kurt-George Kiesinger had just been installed as Chancellorof West Germany and Franz-Josef Straus as finance minister.
Kissinger entered the radio propaganda division of NaziForeign Minister von Ribbentrop at age 36. He was then directing a world-wideradio propaganda apparatus with 195 specialists under his supervision duringthe war. He was the liaison officer, coordinating his department's work withthat of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels.
Richard Nixon and Kurt-George Kiesinger were soon, or maybe before, to becomepals. Nixon tried to hide his nazi past.
But General Walker, now home from military service in Munich,knew the importance of such propaganda. He was calling the same people who,under Hitler, published and controlled the newspapers. There were two motivesfor this call. First, it gave international attention to the fact that Oswald,the Marxist gunman, was shooting at Walker as well as the President. GeneralWalker knew too many people in the Defense Department and in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that could be part of this assassination.He made himself appear as a victim instead of a suspect.
The other reason, along with the expertise of RobertMorris's counter-intelligence and psychological warfare training, was to createa profile for Lee Harvey Oswald.
No possible motive could explain why Oswald would reallywant to kill President Kennedy. By having Oswald appear to shoot the right-wingGeneral Walker with his John Birch connections, his militant anti-communiststance, then shoot John Kennedy, the same Commie-symp Walkerwas accusing of treason, it would appear that Oswald was just nuts. He didn'tknow right from left.
The Munichnewspaper Walker called was linkedto the World Movement for a Second Anti-Komintern, part of the Gehlen and U.S.right. Some of Hitler's ex-Nazis and SS-men were on the Staff. The editor,Gerhard Frey, was a close friend with various nazi members of the WitikoLeague. The Witiko League and the Sudetendeutch Landsmannscraft wereorganizations for displaced refugees. By the summer of 1948 they formed largeorganizations and by 1955 Dr. Walter Becher was elected to the executive boardof the Witiko League. Becher was one of the kingpins of nazi frontorganizations.
Sen. Joe McCarthy, Charles Willoughby, Gen. Edwin Walker,and Robert Morris' links to the German Nazis converged when Dr. Walter Becherset up offices in Washington, D.C.in 1950.
By July 16, 1957,Becher, praised by American Opinion and other extreme right publications,started his policy of liberation. General Douglas MacArthur, Senator JoeMcCarthy, General Willoughby,members of the U.S. Congress or public officials then started openly to meetwith and cooperate with the Nazi resurgence.
Dan Smooth, former Dallas FBI agent is the type of personwho kept strong Nazi ties with Dr. Becher in Munich,to Western Goals today. His printed sheets were identical to the Goebbelspropaganda years ago, or to Walker'sdisinformation one day after Kennedy was killed.
Volkmar Schmidt came from Munich, Germany, to work fulltime for General Walker. How long did he work, and where was he on November 23, 1963, when Walkermade the call to the same city the CUSA imports came from?
The YAF crowd in Dallaswas an interesting gang: Col. Charles Willoughby, intelligence Chief for S.Pacific, Robert Morris, U.S.counter-intelligence and psychological warfare, Gen Edwin Walker, brought homefrom Munich by JFK, WilliamBuckley, CIA in Japan,Mexico, andelsewhere, Sen. John Tower, who gave the okay for Marina Oswald.
Many thanks for answering your good question, William, because I hadn't time to research it, but wish I did.
Yes, it once again involves a European Nazi connection to the American extreme right. Your citing Mae Brussell on this thread is most welcome.
So, the Dr. Frey that General Walker mentions in this interview with Hasso Thorsten is Dr. Gerhard Frey, the editor of the Deutsche Nationalzeitung newspaper for which Hasso Thorsten worked. As Dr. Frey was associated with former Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen (c.f. Mae Brussell) and since Gehlen was associated with Allen Dulles, we have a political connection that involves (without granting control to) international players.
Mae Brussell wrote: "The Munich newspaper Walker called was linked to the World Movement for a Second Anti-Komintern, part of the Gehlen and U.S. right."
The organization name, 'Second Anti-Komintern,' is poignant: Komintern stands for 'International Communist movement'. This anti-communist movement was the 'Second' because the Third Reich was the first. In other words, this was primarily (but not exclusively) a USA movement.
I'm also glad your response raised the name of Volkmar Schmidt, who admits that he tried to convince Oswald that General Walker was truly evil, and who expressed a guilty conscience for his role in Oswald's reported attack on Walker on April 10th. Insofar as Schmidt came from Munich, Germany, and that he worked for Walker for a time, how and why did he come to hate Walker so much?
Very interesting, William. Thanks for this.
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...But Walker contacting the HSCA over the bullet in evidence not being the one shot at him, makes me wonder if a conspirator would rock the boat like that....
It's a good question, Robert, and I'd like to see if I can make some progress with an alternative. I know the arguments claiming that Oswald never shot at Walker. One of those arguments came from Walker himself, in his Warren Commission testimony. Here's the well-known quote, so often taken out of context:
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Mr. LIEBELER. That is when you gave him this information about Oswald having attacked you?
General WALKER. I didn't give him all the information--I think the portion you are referring to, I didn't give him, because I had no way of knowing that Oswald attacked me. I still don't. And I am not very prone to say in fact he did. In fact, I have always claimed he did not, until we can get into the case or somebody tells us differently that he did.
-------- END WARREN COMMISSION TESTIMONY VOLUME 11 PAGE 426 ----
If we add this testimony to Walker's complaint to the HSCA that they had the wrong bullet, it might sound convincing that Walker disbelieved Oswald shot at him.
My response is: (1) that Walker deliberately lied to the Warren Commission; and (2) that his complaint to the HSCA was intended to show that Oswald had other weapons at his disposal.
I will begin with (1). The context of the Warren Commission testimony is attorney Liebeler asking Walker to divulge the date when Walker told the German newsman, Hasso Thorsten, that Oswald was the April shooter. Liebeler had solid evidence that Walker told this to Thorston on 11/23/1963, the day after JFK was killed. The evidence was material - the Deutsche Nationalzeitung dated 11/29/1963, a newspaper in Munich, Germany.
Now, Walker was not on trial - but if suspects were truly pursued, Liebeler would have had Walker cornered. Believing that Oswald really was the April shooter, Liebeler was puzzled that Walker knew about it on 11/23/1963, weeks before the Warren Commission and the FBI found out from Marina. But Walker would not give up his information.
What other evidence do we have? The Briscoe Center for American History has recently General Edwin A. Walker's archives available to the public. I will type in snippets from documents typed and signed by Walker himself. The documents are not dated, but seem to be accompanied by a release bulletin of April 15, 1989.
------ BEGIN SNIPPET #1 BY EDWIN A. WALKER -------
THE DECEMBER COVER-UP: Reference the Secret Service Letter, Dallas, addressed to the Chief of Police, Jesse Curry, Dallas, a cross town letter initiated on December 2nd and dated December 26, 1963, one day after Christmas...In the censorship of the April crime the public would not know that the first official recognition and acknowledgment that Oswald was the April assassin was in April, not December, and not by the Secret Service or Marina. Tantamount to the Kennedy secret protection and release of Oswald from Dallas Police custody in April was the necessity to know his name, Lee Harvey Oswald, his custody as the prime suspect and his guilt.
------ END SNIPPET #1 BY EDWIN A. WALKER -------
The so-called December Cover-up letter was allegedly an order to Jesse Curry to deny that he had Oswald in custody on April 10, 1963, and that RFK via the Secret Service demanded Oswald's relese in April, 1963. Walker really believed this happened. He repeats it several times in his writings, and he calls it 'the April Crime'. He will later criticize Jesse Curry for hiding evidence that he knew to be true, in order to please the Secret Service. Here is another snippet showing this:
------ BEGIN SNIPPET #2 BY EDWIN A. WALKER -------
DEALEY PLAZA DALLAS - APRIL TO NOVEMBER: ...As the prime suspect in Dallas Police custody by midnight, following an "Attempted Assassination" at 9pm, April 10th, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald was released from custody on Kennedy orders. In the Kennedy secrecy and urgency to protect Oswald from prosecution and in the intent to protect Jack Rubenstein (Ruby), George de Mohrenschildt and Marina, the release was accomplished before working hours on April 11th 1963...In their relief of Dallas Police responsibility for the April Crime in their protection of Oswald, the Kennedys had relieved all Official Agencies of responsibility for him...In the protection of a fugitive from justice there could be no doubt of a mockery of it and their participation of it. Who would, could, should or dared, to have any knowledge or pass any information regarding him, "A Ward of the Kennedy State"? ...Certainly seven months were adequate to confirm the stigma and intimindation of such a censorship and for Oswald to become the knowing-willing instrument, in the only means to break the bondage of his Kennedy protection, with its protectors...
------ END SNIPPET #2 BY EDWIN A. WALKER -------
That is a very clear accusation of Oswald as the April shooter, of Jesse Curry as covering it up, and of the Kennedy's as controlling the entire matter. It is also interesting that the name of George de Mohrenschildt was named in this regard, without further details.
I find these snippets, and others like them, to be of enormous interest in the research of the JFK assassination. As for their late date, we have others that are of earlier dates - but none as early as the statment he made to Hasso Thorston on or about 11/23/1963.
Now, once we concede that Walker believed that Oswald was his April shooter, we must doubt his sworn testimony before attorney Liebeler. After all, this was Chief Justice Earl Warren's Commission, and Walker spent many years convincing thousands of people that Earl Warren deserved impeachment and did not hold legitimate authority.
Also, once we concede that Walker believed that Oswald was his April shooter, we must find some other explanation for (2), for his complaint to the HSCA that they had the wrong bullet. It was not to exonerate Oswald - clearly. Walker held Oswald guilty of the 'April Crime,' so the bullets that he found (which had steel jackets) which differed from the HSCA bullets (which had copper jackets) could only prove that Oswald had access to other weapons. From whom? Walker's implication is clear from these snippets -- from RFK himself.
So - we seem to be faced with a choice: (i) either Walker made up the story that Oswald was the April shooter, and asked J. Edgar Hoover and his men to give Marina photographs of Walker's house, and force her to repeat Walker's story; or (ii) Oswald really was the shooter, and Walker found out from underground sources that he would never divulge.
I am convinced of the latter choice. Finally, in my current theory, I believe George de Mohrenschildt was indirectly the source of Walker's information. The Warren Commission demonstrated clearly that George de Mohrenschildt found out about Oswald's shooting at Walker on Easter Sunday, 1963 -- four days after the shooting. I have little doubt that George de Mohrenschildt told someone about it (probably someone in the CIA), and that person told General Walker the same day. George de Mohrenschildt fled to Haiti that very week, earning General Walker's contempt.
That's my evidence, Robert. I look forward to your feedback, in case I may have missed something.
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Gen. Edwin Walker is certainly a fine candidate to have been involved in the JFK assassination. He certainly had a long history of hate of and opposition to the Kennedys. Being relieved of his military duties. Mississippi. RFK sending him to the funny farm.
And Walker was close to H.L. Hunt who I fully believe was involved in the JFK assassination.
But Walker contacting the HSCA over the bullet in evidence not being the one shot at him, makes me wonder if a conspirator would rock the boat like that.
Call Edwin Walker a "person of interest" in the JFK assassination, but I am not ready to make the arrest yet. I have no doubt that he knew Kennedy's murderers well.
And, no, foreign interest and foreign intelligence were not involved in the JFK assassination. Lyndon Johnson told Madeleine Brown that Texas oil men and the CIA killed JFK and I think he only left himself out of the complete picture.
I'm glad we can meet halfway on this, Robert. I'm also hesitant to propose an international plot - but that doesn't rule out international involvement at some level. I refer here to the neo-Nazi movement, which is not limited to one particular nation.
For example, notice the anti-semitism that General Walker showed in his interview. Also, the newspaper that he communicated with in Germany on the night after JFK's assassination was an openly neo-Nazi newspaper. Growing up in Southern California, I was surprised at how many anti-semitic newspapers still circulated there, even in the early 1970's. So, anti-semitism (neo-Nazi) sentiment still believed it had a chance at political power in the 1960's.
It seems to me that General Walker went over the deep end after his experiences in World War Two, and his tour of duty in Germany after the war. He seems to have made some ultra-right-wing contacts. Now - this doesn't mean they controlled him. Far from it. But he liked being the leader, and he grew up with a certain kind of folk, and he was used to leading that kind of folk. The USA demographic was changing fast after the war, but Germany was still old-fashioned, one might say. So yes, even though the new-rich among Texas oil-men were feeling their collective oats and reaching out for global political power, while the Germans were still bandaging their wounds from World War Two, the neo-Nazi connection appears to be live and well - even in Texas.
General Walker was an extreme right-winger. This was not an act. He was an American patriot and a great US General in World War Two, but he turned, at some point, and became so extremely right-wing that he clashed with Eisenhower, and then he crashed with Kennedy.
I think we tend to underestimate his influence in the South in 1963, because Texas oil has greater power today than it had in the 1960's, but General Walker is almost forgotten.
In an amusing anecdote - General Walker led the Texas right-wing campaign to Impeach Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren, and also against the United Nations. He called his opponents communists, of course, but also 'Antichrists', which was a euphemism in his anti-semitism. This made him no friends in high places, as you can imagine. But General Walker was stuck in the 1920's, one might say (when people fondly remembered that President Wilson advocated the KKK, and was nominated for the US Presidency largely because he successfully opposed the racial integration of Princeton University). I think General Walker really wanted to be President - of a different America than the one we saw in the 1960's.
Anyway - back to the anecdote. RFK defended his psychiatric detention of General Walker in 1962 based on a United Press article that claimed that General Walker had incited the anti-integration riot at Mississippi University. General Walker sued UP and won several million dollars in damages. But UP took the case to the Supreme Court, and it came to the desk of Earl Warren! Earl Warren upheld UP's appeal and denied Walker one penny of that money.
Best regards...
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I do not think Gen. Edwin Walker was involved in the JFK assassination because Walker wrote the HSCA and told them that the bullet that they had in evidence was NOT the one found in his house. Apparently, someone had swapped out bullets in an attempt to FRAME Oswald for the Walker shooting. You don't write the HSCA talking about the wrong bullet if you are in fact involved in the JFK assassination; you keep your mouth shut.
I have no doubt that Walker was professionally and socially acquainted with the killers of JFK, because I think his good friend HL Hunt was involved in the JFK assassination. And I am sure there were others that he knew...
Robert, I recently perused the General Edwin Walker archives through the Briscoe Center for American History at UT Austin, and found some good stuff about Walker and the Oswald incident. General Walker was convinced that Oswald tried to kill him - and he tried to publish this widely in several newspapers in the USA and in Germany. While it is true that General Walker told the HSCA that the bullet they had was NOT the one found in his house, this was meant to mock their sloppy work. General Walker personally LOVED the fact that Oswald tried to kill him, and failed, but was later successful in killing JFK. In his opinion - which is part of the latest news release he tried to publish - RFK knew all along that Oswald tried to kill General Walker, and the Dallas Police actually arrested Oswald, but RFK let Oswald go, presumably, wrote Walker, to try to kill Walker *again*. The fact that Oswald instead killed JFK (according to Walker) was ironic and poetic justice.
Also, you imply that General Walker was socially linked to main JFK plotters, and you cite his good friend HL Hunt. But I find it a bit more likely that HL Hunt was the one who was socially linked to the main JFK plotter - General Walker. HL Hunt could only provide the money. That was something that many, many people could do (and most readers here know the long list). But only a very few people could provide the ground-crew.
Best regards...
Robert, I'm pleased that even though we may disagree about sundry details about the conspiracy to assassinate JFK, we can proceed with open minds when new information is obtained. I think it's right that I should share some details that support my current opinion. Here goes.
As nearly everybody in this Forum knows, the Mary Ferrell Foundation web site is one of the most valuable and enduring sources of archives available to research the JFK assassination. I got the following article about General Edwin Walker from her web site (Re: FBI Files on Edwin Walker, 116-165494 File, Section 2).
---- START CITATION #1 FROM MARY FERRELL ----
On May 22, 1964, the FBI in Washington DC recorded a strange event that occurred in Munich, Germany on 11/23/1963, the day after JFK was killed. On the morning of 11/23/1963, Hasso Thorsten, reporter for the Deutsche Nationalzeitung und Soldztenzeistung (NZ) called Edwin Walker in his hotel room, seeking a story for its November 29, 1963 edition (No. 48, volumne XIII). The proposed story was to be, "The Strange Case of Oswald".
Here is a translation of the first paragraph of that story:
"The murderer of Kennedy made an attempt on General Walker's life early in the summer when General Walker was sitting in his study. The bullet missed Walker's head only by inches. Oswald was seized. The following investigation, as it was reported, was stopped through the influence of the US Attorney General, Robert Kennedy. If Oswald had been investigated, he eventually would have been imprisoned for many years, and so he would not have been in a position to commit the murder of the US President, Mr. John F. Kennedy."
---- END CITATION #1 FROM MARY FERRELL -----
Although these were the words in that German newspaper, I think General Walker himself sent them to the newspaper, because it is a prepared statement, and because the Briscoe Center archives on General Walker show that he sent this story to multiple papers in the USA over the decades. The Briscoe Center also has documents signed by Walker showing he sought to publish this same story as late as April 15, 1989 (just four years before his passing).
Following is another snippet from the Mary Ferrell web site. This is a transcript of a part of the actual telephone call between German reporter Hasso Thorston and General Edwin A. Walker on 11/23/1963. This conversation sounds contrived, i.e. it sounds scripted to me. Judge for yourself, and bear in mind that this conversation occurs only one day after JFK was assassinated.
---- START CITATION #2 FROM MARY FERRELL - WALKER INTERVIEW ON 11/23/1963 approx. 22:00 CST ----
HT: Hello. General Walker. It looks as though you are the man most in demand in America now.
EAW: Who is speaking? Are you calling from Louisiana or Dallas?
HT: This is Hasso Thorsten of the Deutsche National Zeitung - I am calling from Germany.
EAW: This is impossible...How did you find out? I left Dallas ten hours ago. Nobody knows...
HT: General, you are staying at the Hotel Captain Shreve in Shreveport Louisiana. Your room number is 701.
EAW: (laughing) Thorsten, it's [ten] o'clock, I am appearing on television in [nine] hours.
HT: I give you my word that there are no television cameras hidden in your room, General. You can talk to your friends in your pajamas.
EAW: You are the first, Thorsten, I mean it...but I must make sure. Give me your telephone number.
HT: (furnishes the direct telephone line connection Munich and Hamburg)
EAW: (Lauging) Okay! Let's have it.
HT: The news of Kennedy's death has barely jolted the world, when the usual choir started to tell them the slayer is an ultra-rightist.
EAW: The murderer was a well-known communist, one of the countless communits who have infiltrated our country.
HT: Unexpected? A bolt from the blue sky?
EAW: No. Kennedy's death did not come as a surprise, as is being claimed. Enough fuel has accumulated. It was only through the constant spreading of false reports that it had remained hidden.
HT: The assassin is said to belong to a pro-Castro organization, isn't that so?
EAW: Right! A trained Marxist.
HT: I am not unsympathetic, General, but this story of a US President coming out of the left and assassinated by the left appears, to a middle-of-the-road man like myself, to have quick a macabre twist.
EAW: Kennedy's death [came as no surprise].
HT: Are you going to say this on MEET THE PRESS tonight, General? Let us have, first of all, if you please, the official position you will take.
EAW: I repeat, you are the first to hear it. The President's tragic death urgently and forcibly brings home the point that the dangerous circumstances by which we are surrounded cannot be underestimated. MISTER Kennedy's death is not the great surprise which is now being depicted. The sympathy I experience for the Kennedy family is not less than the sympathy I experience for the million families who have given one or more victims to the cause of the struggle of freedom against communism. I grieve over the losses they have suffered. The sacrifice of this member of the Kennedy family is but one of the many sacrifices which are being made by everybody for freedom. During these very sad hours, [our need must] be the absolute need for strong unity, averting the divisive effect of reciprocal accusations which can only bring about more differences. We must stand together more than ever in our national devotion to [freedom] and human dignity.
HT: Dear General Walker, I thank you for those words. I thank you personally, regardless of their [obvious] worthiness.
EAW: It's all right...
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EAW: We have been taking about this Marxist assassin...this Oswald...Lee Oswald. I have just learned that John Abt from New York has offered to defend him in court.
HT: John Abt? Would you mind to spell it?
EAW: Attorney John A-B-T. From New York.
HT: This cannot be true. I had to make sure. Is it John Abt?
EAW: Right. Mr. Abt is an American Jew who defends all big communist cases.
HT: I will give our readers a short biography of Mr. Abt, General.
EAW: This is extremely interesting.
HT: How come you have one of them in your own 'Promised Land?'
EAW: (laughing) We'll keep in close touch, Thorsten. Give my regards to my German friends, especially Dr. Frey. One of the results will be that Germany and America will be able to become true partners. The relations between our two countries will develop on the basis of a real friendship among the people instead of being the result of a 'propaganda' friendship.
HT: Thank you, General Walker.
---- END CITATION #2 FROM MARY FERRELL - WALKER INTERVIEW 11/23/1963 approx. 22:00 CST ----
I have many problems with this so-called interview. It sounds scripted to me - as though Walker himself scripted most of it. Also, he refers to President Kennedy as MISTER Kennedy - which was also the term used in the Dallas Morning News full page Ad, charging JFK with communism.
The anti-semitism of the Interview is patent, and in the 1960's there were still plenty of anti-semites in the USA moving about in politics. Mary Ferrell's web site proposes that General Walker sought to use this interview to take suspicion away from the extreme right and place it on the communists. This was the plan all along among the Cuban Exiles, the rogue CIA agents, the Mafia and other criminals who planned the JFK hit -- it was calculated to stir public hatred of the communists in Cuba, to spark a full-scale invasion of Cuba, and finish what the Bay of Pigs failed to finish.
But why would General Walker show his hand so soon after the shooting? Oswald was still alive when General Walker concocted this interview. One day later, Oswald would be dead. At that point General Walker began to tell people that Oswald was his April 10th shooter. This is documented by the Briscoe Center, and by the Mary Ferrell Foundation.
I trust this is enough detail to substantiate my claims for now, Robert. As an aside to Jim Phelps -- this evidence presented by the Mary Ferrell Foundation and confirmed by the Briscoe Center clearly brings the German neo-Nazi movement onto the scene -- making an international connection.
Best regards...
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David
Ever since reading the Warren Report (over a decade ago) I have attempted to understand the man and recreate the events in the life of Edwin Walker. I have come to refer to him as a Forrest Gump type of character who, when researched, seems to appear as a footnote to many historical events of the 20th Century. I have repeatedly visited his home town and had numerous conversations with former comrades and neighbors in an attempt to understand a man that, discounting his far right activities of the 1960's, would, by any measure, be considered a GREAT American hero (in my opinion his Right Wing activity may have been a cover to gather intelligence).
In my opinion one of the greatest cover-ups of the Warren Report is the fact that Walker's life has been trivialized into a few events after 1961 while disregarding his life, career and associations from 1909 till 1961. In particular I find that his relationship with Maxwell Taylor is of great interest to the events surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Walker's travels, within his military career, are surpizing when you overlay the historical context of military intelligence, covert operations and international relations upon them. Starting from 1934 his military career becomes, to me, of unique interest for this forum.
Jim Root
Jim, I agree that General Edwin Walker was a hero of WW2 and deserves our respect. His angry clash with the Kennedys in 1962 divided the country with regard to our opinion about Walker -- we became for or against Walker in extremes. But he was a hero, and I tend to believe that the treatment he received at the hands of Attorney General RFK in 1962 was political -- because there seems to be no other reason to have committed him to an insane asylum, even if he did play an active role in the riots of Ole Miss in 1962 (which he always denied).
That said - I believe this injustice that he suffered at the hands of the Kennedys in 1962 gave him a material motive to pursue a paramilitary-style justice in Dallas in 1963.
Walker was a suspect named by the Warren Commission in the affidavits of Dean Andrews, Jack Ruby and Frank Ellsworth. Later, Gerry Patrick Hemming and Harry Dean expressed suspicions. Walker was unusually influential - even powerful - in Dallas in 1963. As any other rightist in Dallas, he was outspoken against the United Nations and called for the impeachment of Earl Warren, but Walker did this with a full-size billboard on his front lawn.
Walker was a leader among the righists in Dallas. In early November, 1963, Adlai Stevenson, our UN representative, was battered by an angry mob in Dallas, because the night before Edwin Walker had whipped up the crowd with angry speeches against the United Nations. So, Edwin Walker wanted a role in politics - this seems very clear.
In fact, General Walker resigned from the military after a brilliant career; notice that he didn't retire with a pension; he resigned *without* a pension. That was a hasty act. Why would an intelligent man do that? It was probably a protest against President Eisenhower criticizing any military personnel for making political speeches. Walker wanted to enter politics - and he ran for Texas Governor - but he lost to Connally. So he supported himself by making rightist speeches around the country to larger and larger crowds. He had an adoring fan base.
It was in this context that Walker called for a massive march on Ole Miss to protest racial integration there. He had political ambitions, and he was not going to give up on his political drive. If he couldn't win office, then he would support somebody who could - either Goldwater or Wallace.
His clash with the Kennedys was political, and one can make a case that the Kennedys made it personal. If so, I cannot envision Edwin Walker backing down from a fight.
From the evidence I see, the former General Edwin Walker is my prime suspect for the crucial Dallas ground-crew leadership.
Best regards,
--Paul Trejo
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Hi, Paul
I will be glad to send a copy of my 1990 manuscript/book - enlarged in 2000, you
can find some answers about Cuba, JFK, U.S. Intel. in chapter two, based on
personal experiences from 1958 to date, with documentation.
As you will see I am not a researcher,and sadly not a writer, and the manuscript/
book is the main way I contribute to the cause.
H J Dean
It's a real pleasure to meet you on his Forum, Harry. I currently have a copy of, "The Men Behind the Guns," by W.R. Morris (1978). In this tabloid-style booklet there is a transcript of you and W.R. Morris being interviewed in 1975 by Tom Snyder on "The Tomorrow Show", which I used to watch every night.
Your memoirs establish that Oswald was a member of US intelligence. This confirms that Oswald's role in the FPCC was entirely intended for the camera and news media in an effort to establish his 'street credentials' with the left wing. Presuming Oswald was not one of the actual shooters on 11/23/1963, why was he dancing around for Guy Banister in New Orleans for the whole summer? I think Banister was manipulating Oswald, and not the other way around. I would like to hear your views on this. It seems to me that Banister and Ferrie promised Oswald a big reward if he could sneak into Cuba and assasinate Castro.
(This, I believe, would explain why Oswald told Marina that he would be 'Prime Minister' of America one day. She thought he was joking, but it was easy to believe in 1963 that the man who assassinated Castro would be a hero in the USA, and might have a chance to be President. He didn't say 'President' to Marina, since in those days Russians only had Prime Ministers. This scenario could also explain how Banister and Ferrie manipulated Oswald so well.)
Another thing I remember from your interview as transcribed in Morris' book, is that you actually spoke with General Walker on occasion. That is of great interest to me. Is the Morris book the book you have in mind, Harry? Or is there something more?
Best regards...
Paul
No, the men behind the guns was totally a Morris effort, as were several other
publications involving me re; the JFK/Castro etc; by him, which I learned about
after the year 2000. Morris and I had no connection other than the Tom Snyder show.
I wrote the 1990 manuscript/book for reason explained in the introduction of
it. The manuscript/book is really all I have to state on the subjects it
contains. It was written when all named in it and who were my associates were still
living. I believe all have since passed?
Harry,
I'm very interested in your manuscript. You may have been the closest to the center of the cyclone of anybody on this Forum.
How can I obtain a copy of your manuscript?
I need more facts, and I'm hoping you have them. Did Jack Martin (544 Camp Street) also serve under General Walker? Did David Ferrie also serve under General Walker? Did George De Mohrenschildt intimately know anybody who knew General Walker? This is pivotal - because the Warren Commission established that George De Mohrenschildt first suspected that Oswald was General Walker's April 10th shooter on April 14th, 1963 - Easter Sunday. If George DM told somebody close to him, and that person told General Walker, we would have a material motive for General Walker to punish Oswald by making him the patsy in his JFK plot.
Best regards...
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Hi, Paul
I will be glad to send a copy of my 1990 manuscript/book - enlarged in 2000, you
can find some answers about Cuba, JFK, U.S. Intel. in chapter two, based on
personal experiences from 1958 to date, with documentation.
As you will see I am not a researcher,and sadly not a writer, and the manuscript/
book is the main way I contribute to the cause.
H J Dean
It's a real pleasure to meet you on his Forum, Harry. I currently have a copy of, "The Men Behind the Guns," by W.R. Morris (1978). In this tabloid-style booklet there is a transcript of you and W.R. Morris being interviewed in 1975 by Tom Snyder on "The Tomorrow Show", which I used to watch every night.
Your memoirs establish that Oswald was a member of US intelligence. This confirms that Oswald's role in the FPCC was entirely intended for the camera and news media in an effort to establish his 'street credentials' with the left wing. Presuming Oswald was not one of the actual shooters on 11/23/1963, why was he dancing around for Guy Banister in New Orleans for the whole summer? I think Banister was manipulating Oswald, and not the other way around. I would like to hear your views on this. It seems to me that Banister and Ferrie promised Oswald a big reward if he could sneak into Cuba and assasinate Castro.
(This, I believe, would explain why Oswald told Marina that he would be 'Prime Minister' of America one day. She thought he was joking, but it was easy to believe in 1963 that the man who assassinated Castro would be a hero in the USA, and might have a chance to be President. He didn't say 'President' to Marina, since in those days Russians only had Prime Ministers. This scenario could also explain how Banister and Ferrie manipulated Oswald so well.)
Another thing I remember from your interview as transcribed in Morris' book, is that you actually spoke with General Walker on occasion. That is of great interest to me. Is the Morris book the book you have in mind, Harry? Or is there something more?
Best regards...
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...I think General Walker was up to his neck in the planning to off JFK...Read Harry Dean's insights on General Walker as he vistited the stronghold of the JBS in California. General Walker wanted JFK's head on the stick...
Jim, I'm glad you brought up the name of Harry Dean. He claims to have been in the room when some extremist John Birch Society members, including General Walker, planned every move of an assassination of JFK in Dallas for November, 1963. I find many aspects of Harry Dean's story believable. His big contribution, a I recall, was his report that General Walker and some extremist JBS members held a long meeting in Mexico City - around the time that Oswald was reportedly there.
Dean remembered the smoke filled room and the words that were spoken; they carefully plotted the minutes and seconds. Much money had come in to support their plot from many, many sources. Yet the men who planned the street details -- these are the men to identify. Harry Dean's report should be reviewed again, in my opinion.
Jack Ruby directly named the JBS and General Walker in a single sentence to Earl Warren (who said he didn't understand the sentence at all). Also, NOLA attorney Dean Andrews testified to the Warren Commission his suspicion that the JBS was involved. General Walker was an outspoken advocate of the JBS for years and years (even after some JBS members found him so noisy that they voted to kick him out).
Best regards...
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I do not think Gen. Edwin Walker was involved in the JFK assassination because Walker wrote the HSCA and told them that the bullet that they had in evidence was NOT the one found in his house. Apparently, someone had swapped out bullets in an attempt to FRAME Oswald for the Walker shooting. You don't write the HSCA talking about the wrong bullet if you are in fact involved in the JFK assassination; you keep your mouth shut.
I have no doubt that Walker was professionally and socially acquainted with the killers of JFK, because I think his good friend HL Hunt was involved in the JFK assassination. And I am sure there were others that he knew...
Robert, I recently perused the General Edwin Walker archives through the Briscoe Center for American History at UT Austin, and found some good stuff about Walker and the Oswald incident. General Walker was convinced that Oswald tried to kill him - and he tried to publish this widely in several newspapers in the USA and in Germany. While it is true that General Walker told the HSCA that the bullet they had was NOT the one found in his house, this was meant to mock their sloppy work. General Walker personally LOVED the fact that Oswald tried to kill him, and failed, but was later successful in killing JFK. In his opinion - which is part of the latest news release he tried to publish - RFK knew all along that Oswald tried to kill General Walker, and the Dallas Police actually arrested Oswald, but RFK let Oswald go, presumably, wrote Walker, to try to kill Walker *again*. The fact that Oswald instead killed JFK (according to Walker) was ironic and poetic justice.
Also, you imply that General Walker was socially linked to main JFK plotters, and you cite his good friend HL Hunt. But I find it a bit more likely that HL Hunt was the one who was socially linked to the main JFK plotter - General Walker. HL Hunt could only provide the money. That was something that many, many people could do (and most readers here know the long list). But only a very few people could provide the ground-crew.
Best regards...
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I look back to the Edwin Walker shooting incident as the key. It's been awhile since I read Dick Russell's The Man Who Knew Too Much, but he did some stellar original research here, and tied that to Larrie Schmidt and the Hunt Bros...
I'm glad that this thread has settled into speculations about the ground-crew in Dallas who actually managed and accomlished the shooting. The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) in 1979, after criticizing the Warren Commission and re-opening then re-closing the JFK assassination proceedings, concluded that Oswald probably had accomplices. This was hard to squeeze out of the US government, which still insisted on keeping hundreds of documents on this topic top secret.
After reading all of the volumes of the HSCA, I was impressed by the technical documentation more than the witness testimony. Actually, the witness testimony of the Warren Commission is superb by comparison. I recently reviewed the Warren Commission testimony in response to an interesting book by Jacques Zwart: ‘Invitation to Hair Splitting’ (1970). Zwart worked with Allen Dulles and claims Dulles led him to believe that the truth of the JFK assassination can be gleaned from the Warren Commission volumes by 'splitting hairs,' i.e. by reading between the lines, by reading what was *omitted* from the questions asked. Dulles wouldn’t tell him what he would find there – but assured him he would find them if he studied.
After all -- the Warren Commission was the first to suspect George De Mohrenschildt and General Edwin Walker of some role in the JFK assassination. They didn't press the matters like a prosecutor would do -- because they weren't prosecutors. Imagine how an able prosecutor would have made George De Mohrenschildt sing! "What? You didn't call the police when you learned that Oswald was General Walker's shooter?! Are you a man or a mouse?!"
Or imagine what an able prosecutor could have done with General Walker on the stand: "What? You wrote to a German neo-Nazi newspaper the day after the JFK assassination that Oswald was your shooter on 4/10/63, when Marina Oswald did not tell the FBI about that until two weeks later?! How did *you* know that?!" But we didn't want to prosecute these prime suspects who were so close to the ground-crew of the JFK hit.
I would like to propose a shift in this thread -- John Simkin started this thread with his speculations on who killed JFK with a list of high-level suspects who would have participated *at a distance*. And most of the suspects listed since then have been high-level in this way. I would like to shift the focus to the ground-crew. Who were the immediate supervisors of the shooters on that day?
In the current state of my research, General Edwin Walker is suspect number one. I believe he had more reason to hate the Kennedy's than just about anybody, and that includes Jimmy Hoffa and Carlos Marcello. RFK and JFK not only had General Walker arrested for the Ole Miss riots of 1962, but then had him locked up in an insane asylum! That's no way to treat one of the great Generals of World War Two. Dallas was Walker's town. The reason that Adlai Stevenson was battered in Dallas just weeks before JFK's motorcade there, was because General Walker had whipped up the crowd against the United Nations the night before. This is well-documented (c.f. Chris Cravens, "Edwin A. Walker and the Right Wing in Dallas, STSU, 1993).
General Walker was also a Dallas member of the John Birch Society (JBS) which has been a key supsect in this research since Jack Ruby named them to the Warren Commission (and associated General Walker's name with them).
Furthermore, General Walker was an officer of the Texas Minutemen, just as Guy Banister was. This outfit was more radical than the JBS ever was. If a person belonged to *both* organizations, and also lived in Dallas, he would be a prime suspect in any conspiracy to assassinate JFK, in my opinion.
Add to this the fact that the Dallas Police Force had many supporters of General Walker in their ranks. William W. Turner wrote ("Power on the Right" 1971) that the only candidates accepted for the Dallas Police Force in 1963 were members of the JBS, the Minutemen, the KKK or some other extremist, right-wing organization. Dallas in 1963 was the headquarters of most of the extreme right-wing groups in America.
And General Walker was right in the middle of all of it.
In my opinion - as an answer to the question of whodunnit - General Walker should be the prime suspect of the Dallas plotters, just as his associate in the Minutemen, Guy Banister, was a prime suspect of the New Orleans plotters. Jim Garrison exposed the ground-crew of the New Orleans plotters, but that turned out to be a feeble accusation without a strong link to the ground-crew of the Dallas plotters.
So - yes - General Walker is at the very heart of it, in my current opinion.
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Nelson Delgado
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Thanks for the response, Lee. You say that Marina's stories evolved over a period of months - but this makes sense under her circumstances of intense pressure in those days. Secrecy was how she lived her life. Coming out of her shell took time.
Yet when she confronts her Warren Commission interrogators, she seems to have calmed down quite a bit. The FBI had stopped threatening to deport her, evidently, and everybody calmed down. Also, Marina received lots and lots of money from sympathetic people around the USA who pitied a young widow with two babies, facing a possible prison term. She had security - she had money - her children were being cared for. Finally, she would tell the truth. She started with her life story - in written form - which she submitted to the Warren Commission. It included her family background and her Russian experiences with Lee Oswald.
Also, Lee had changed in Dallas. He never hit her in Russia. Suddenly, he began hitting her; really frightening her, in this far-away land.
So, yes - I guess what I'm saying is that initially she lied to the authorities, but later - during the Warren Commission, she came clean on everything - even with those false starts that Martin identified. I believe she eventually came clean.
As for the Robert Webster connection in the USSR, the data is inconclusive, so I find no implications, yet. But as for previous boyfriends in the USSR, her returned letter to one of them was the reason that Lee first beat Marina, according to her Warren Commission testimony.
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