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Also, Jason, that quote by Harrison Livingston moves the center of the JFK plot from Dallas to New Orleans and Guy Banister.
That opens up a whole new can of worms.
For one thing, no less a figure than Jim Garrison already did his best to bring a JFK trial to New Orleans, in the trial of Clay Shaw. Garrison lost.
For another thing, it detracts from a proposition that the Dallas Police and Deputies killed JFK alone. If they need a leader, then why a leader from New Orleans, instead of one from Dallas?
All best,
--Paul -
Good points, Jason.
Is it possible that the Dallas Police and Deputies killed JFK alone, without an overlord? Yes, it is!
Their positions in Dallas and their contradictory WC testimony make this eminently possible.
However -- although we don't have to delve into the details of the infamous Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO), we do need to explain his existence in the Dallas plot in the first place.
For example, why is LHO featured in the Jack Martin film? Why is LHO featured in the Walker shooting?
The existence of LHO in the JFK saga drags General Walker into the scenario immediately. Is that really tangential? An accident? Irrelevant?
Also, consider General Walker as a Radical Right figure in Dallas. Good friend of the richest man in town, organizer of the Adlai Stevenson humiliation, leader of a local JBS chapter, leader of the Dallas Minutemen and a former US Army General with 30 years tenure including combat experience in WW2 and Korea -- younger than Sorrells, younger than Fritz, younger than Decker -- is his presence truly accidental?
All best,
--Paul -
Jason,
After all we have said on this thread in the past two months -- it seems clear that officials in the Dallas Police and Sheriff's Departments comprised the ground-crew of the JFK Assassination, and silencing of the Patsy.
However -- I have so far been unable to find material evidence linking anybody directly to General Walker except for James Hosty. Hosty personally admitted (1996) that he tracked General Walker as a professional necessity. Hosty also told Penn Jones, Jr. that Robert Alan Surrey was his "bridge parther." Surrey was the President of General Walker's publishing company.
Jeff Caufield found a direct contact point between General Walker and J.D. Tippit -- there at Austin's BBQ in Dallas, on weekends, where the JBS would meet.
Yet that is all the material evidence I have found. I feel certain that more must exist -- if my CT is correct. I believe that Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren deliberately "preserved" the JFK Assassination solution for future generations to see.
As for other, incidental material evidence, we can link Lee Harvey Oswald with DPD officer Roscoe White through the Oswald Backyard Photographs.
Also, we can link General Walker to Lee Harvey Oswald silently through the home movie of young Minuteman Jack T. Martin -- filming the bullet holes in Walker's home as well as Oswald being arrested on Canal Street, in the same roll of film.
But this is a far cry from what I ultimately need -- namely -- a directly linkage between General Walker and these seven people:
1. Sheriff Bill Decker
2. Captain Will Fritz
3. Chief Jesse Curry
4. SS agent Forrest Sorrels
5. FBI agent James Bookhout
6. USPD Inspector Harry Holmes
7. Deputy Buddy WalthersIn my opinion, all of these men were linked with General Walker through the John Birch Society and the local, "Friends of Walker" committee. I sincerely believe that material evidence of this linkage will eventually turn up.
There are many other players in the DPD and Sheriff's office, but these seven must appear in any material evidence -- since they are at the commanding rank, and their WC testimony breaks apart so quickly and so consistently. There's my opinion.
All best,
--Paul -
On 5/5/2018 at 3:43 PM, Jason Ward said:
...I expediently married two known facts:
- General Walker organized the October 1963 assault on Adlai Stevenson (spitting, hit on the head with a sign, etc.)
- Adlai Stevenson warned Kennedy to avoid Dallas because of this Walker-sponsored assault
I am aware of no evidence that Stevenson mentioned General Walker by name to JFK as part of this warning.
The FBI and Secret Service in Dallas were aware that General Walker was behind the assault on Stevenson, as shown by sources printed in this thread, but there is no evidence that Forrest Sorrels and James Hosty reported this detail to Washington. The ATF was all over the Minutemen and was not so keen to protect them as Sorrells and Hosty, but their duty portfolio did not extend to presidential protection, so they may have likewise remained silent about Walker's role.
Even so, Hoover had multiple tentacles of domestic intelligence and I think he'd be very interested in understanding the Stevenson incident.
Did Hoover know Walker was behind the Stevenson incident before JFK went to Dallas? I will look into the reports he received right now as it's clear Hoover knew very well of the extreme right's capacity for violence and their hatred of Kennedy.
Jason
Hi Jason,
I'm going back a couple of weeks, because there is still so much data to review -- we are covering so much ground that it is sometimes useful to review a past point.
You're right that Adlai Stevenson did not name General Walker in his warning to JFK about Dallas (that was recorded by anybody). In my view, this is because Adlai Stevenson and his closest advisors were so myopic that they never looked around the USA to fairly estimate their opposition. They honestly didn't know Dallas politics. We know more about it today than the UN officials in 1963 knew.
It's different with the FBI. They had the voice of every policeman in the USA, potentially. There was no dirt in the USA that they didn't hear. Your documents show that the FBI and Secret Service in Dallas know about General Walker -- but here are some documents that show that EVERYBODY in Dallas knew it.
http://www.pet880.com/images/19631023_Dallas_Morning_News.pdf
http://www.pet880.com/images/19631024_Dallas_Morning_News.pdf
http://www.pet880.com/images/19631024_Texas_Observer.pdf
Next: to get an idea about the true excitement of the attack on Adlai Stevenson outside of the Auditorium, after his incomplete speech, here's this local news report:
http://www.pet880.com/images/19631025_Dallas_Morning_News.pdf
Further: here is an interview of Larrie Schmidt, the morning after the humiliation of Adlai Stevenson, with Larrie taking satisfaction in a job well done, as he told me in 2012.
http://www.pet880.com/images/19631027_Dallas_Times_Herald.jpg
Finally, here's an interview of General Walker, about two weeks later, with Walker taking satisfaction in a job well done.
http://www.pet880.com/images/19631108_Walkers_UpsDown_Flag.JPG
As we can see, this news was widespread in Dallas. Yet I am convinced that people outside of Dallas didn't really care very much about it. They had their own, local problems.
All best,
--Paul -
22 hours ago, Jason Ward said:
Just to be clear, Oswald is purposed towards FPCC infiltration in New Orleans according to your CT?
But there is no FPCC in New Orleans until Oswald shows up, so what are they hoping to do; infiltrate up nationally? Or identify local Castroites/communists in New Orleans?
Jason
Hi Jason,
In my reading, the Mexico City trip by Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) at the end of the summer of 1963 was the payoff for this FPCC scam.
We have documents from The Hardway-Lopez Report (2003) that reveal exactly what LHO was doing in Mexico City. He brought a Fake Resume to prove that he was a Fake Official from the Fake FPCC in New Orleans.
In that Fake Resume he included a Fake Communist Party membership card (while Communists didn't have membership cards). LHO also included newspaper clippings from New Orleans that reported his arrest for his "street fight" with Carlos Bringuier, and his radio and TV appearances in New Orleans in which he claimed he represented the FPCC.
With this massive amount of Fake ID, it is clear to me that LHO was trying to get an expedited Visa to Cuba as an "official" FPCC Secretary. This was the strategy. Evidently LHO was promised a lot of money if he could help a Havana Team kill Fidel Castro. That's my reading.
The clerks at the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City could barely stifle their laughter. They most likely had a printed list of official FPCC Secretaries -- and Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't on their list. Fidel Castro would soon hear of this farce.
All best,
--Paul -
17 hours ago, Jason Ward said:
Hi Paul,
I'm just exploring possibilities here.
I'm aware that many see the 10APR63 attack on Walker as a staged event which may or not have actually involved LHO. OTOH, you say George de Mohrenschildt incited Oswald's naturally leftist views so much that Marina's testimony about Oswald saying he shot at Walker is 100% true. In any case, the Oswalds bolt for New Orleans days after Walker is attacked. New Orleans in the summer of 1963 seems essential to both the assassination authors and the coverup.
Events are apparently accelerating which will spiral in to Oswald's November roll. Enter Carlos Bringuier & his pal Arnesto Rodriguez.
Below is a snippet from General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy by Jeffrey Caufield. I've looked at the source he cites and this summary seems accurate from the available evidence. In particular, Bringuier associate Arnesto Rodriguez has something of a close relationship with Oswald it seems, although his name is absent from any CT I've seen.
Furthermore, I'm wondering if Bringuier's contacts with Oswald are perhaps more intricate than the simplistic version Bringuier wants us to believe.
1. Is Oswald more deeply immersed in anti-Castro activities in New Orleans than Bringuier and the WC want us to believe?
2. How deeply involved is Oswald with the New Orleans anti-Castro activists?
Hi Jason,
I am aware of three different Walker-did-it CT's now, namely:
A. Jim Root's (ca. 2005)
B. Mine (ca. 2010)
C. Jeff Caufield's (ca. 2015)A. For Jim Root, the relationship of General Walker with Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was direct, and began immediately before LHO "fake defected" to the USSR in late 1959. This was exactly the time when President Eisenhower sent General Walker to Germany.
B. For me, the relationship of General Walker to LHO was never direct, but began after the Walker shooting of April 10, 1963, four days later, when Voshinin told the FBI. After the FBI told Walker, General Walker began to track LHO like a hawk.
C. For Jeff Caufield, the relationship of General Walker to LHO was direct, and started soon after LHO returned to Texas from the USSR. General Walker took LHO under his wing, and used LHO for a "false flag" shooting attempt on April 10, 1963, for publicity. It was this sneaky success that led LHO and others to believe General Walker when he said that the JFK shooting would also be a "false flag" attempt.
One point upon which all three of us agree -- LHO was never a Communist at any time, nor was he ever a genuine officer of the FPCC. He was always a "Fake Communist" for personal interests or Rightist intrigue.
You and I agree solidly, Jason, that New Orleans in the summer of 1963 is a crucial element to all CT's. After Jim Garrison, it is impossible to ignore this period. Whether Jim Garrison was correct in his conclusions is disputed -- but whether he was correct in his history of New Orleans in the summer of 1963, is indisputable.
It is notable, however, that although the FBI knows a lot about the Guy Banister period at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans, the Warren Commission offers only the slightest hint of the New Orleans period in the WC testimony.
What we obtain from the WC testimony is mainly from the attorney, Dean Andrews, Jr. who was the person who announced "Clay Bertrand" to the world. Bertrand, a very wealthy homosexual in New Orleans, hired Dean Andrews to assist LHO with LHO's Marine discharge dispute.
Secondly, we hear from Carlos Bringuier, who had an alleged "fight" with LHO on Canal Street over Fidel Castro, when LHO was arrested. Bringuier sticks to his story to this very day.
Thirdly, we hear from the arresting officer of that stunt. Oddly, at New Orleans prison, LHO asked to speak with the FBI. Imagine that. The FBI destroyed the notes of that interview, IIRC.
Fourthly, we hear of "mistaken identity" sightings of LHO in New Orleans -- useless information.
Clearly, Jim Garrison collected a hundred times more information about LHO in New Orleans in the summer of 1963. Nobody ever collected more on this period. It is interesting that Jeff Caufield used all of Jim Garrison's papers to construct his own CT.
As for Arnesto Rodriguez, his name first appeared to me in the book by Caufield (2015), but from those snippets I don't detect a close relationship. There is hear-say, but nothing tangible. A recording of LHO from radio and TV broadcasts was available starting in 1963 and can still be found today -- so that is proof of nothing. Rodriguez mainly repeats the words of Carlos Bringuier, word-for-word, like a puppet.Going only by the papers of Jim Garrison, Jeff Caufield says that a Radical Right CT of the JFK Assassination is the most plausible. Garrison turned to a CIA-did-it CT only near the end of his investigation -- partly because nobody from Dallas dared step forward.
I will respond to your numbered, blue questions from the viewpoint of Jim Garrsion.
1. Oswald is totally immersed in anti-Castro activities in New Orleans. Bringuier knew this, and lied to the WC. Bringuier is one of the WC witnesses we will want to analyze as we scrutinize the Radical Right -- though his story seems quite self-consistent.
2. Oswald works with Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Jack S. Martin, Fred Crisman, Tommy Beckham, Ed Butler and Carlos Bringuier to create a Fake FPCC at 544 Camp Street.
Jim Garrison was the first person in US History to figure that out. Well, after all, he was the District Attorney of New Orleans in 1962-1973, so this was his professional purview.
This was total immersion for LHO. Anybody who knows the history of the FPCC -- for example, Harry Dean, a former Secretary of the FPCC in Chicago -- knows that the FPCC was secretly a Communist organization collecting funds for Fidel Castro.
To infiltrate the FPCC was a dangerous task -- as Harry Dean had warned General Walker, Loran Hall, Gabby Gabaldon, John Rousselot, Larry Howard and various JBS members in Southern California in mid-September 1963.
It was well known in underground political circles, moreover, that any genuine Officer of the FPCC would get an expedited visa to Cuba.
In a Radical Right CT, the purpose of LHO in Mexico City was to display his Fake FPCC credentials (published in the Hardway-Lopez Report, 2003) to get an expedited visa to Cuba. Given this, LHO was proposed to join an assassination plot in Havana to kill Fidel Casto. (This was part of "The AMLASH Legacy," according to David Altee Phillips, 1988).
So, this is how deeply LHO was involved in anti-Castro activities, period. This is how we know Bringuier is lying -- Bringuier was also immersed in anti-Castro activities -- and also working with Guy Banister and Ed Butler at 544 Camp Street.
All best,
--Paul -
10 hours ago, Jason Ward said:
Hi Paul,
The fact that there are two officially mandated outbursts of violence from Lee Harvey Oswald prior to 22NOV63 is, IMO, important to the Oswald-as-Commie mask the assassination plotters hoped to broadcast to the public, don't you agree?
One of the two key plot points in the patsification of Lee Harvey Oswald are the 1963 outbursts of violence against:
- General Edwin Walker, one time leader of the John Birch Society
- Carlos Bringuier, currently -14MAY2018- a John Birch Society member
Apart from their JBS connection, General Walker and Carlos Bringuier are colleagues on the Radical Right speaking tours of the 1960s. Why does Oswald target these two?
1. Are Bringuier and Walker connected through Guy Banister?
2. Bringuier denies knowing Guy Banister....is he telling the truth?
3. According to Carlos Bringuier, Jim Garrison thinks Oswald is lured to New Orleans by William Riley
4. According to Harold Weisberg, Bringuier and Walker meet in Dallas
5. Walker, Surrey, Bringuier Oswald....are they all linked?
6. Is Oswald at an October 1963 meeting of the DRE in Dallas, the same meeting attended by General Walker?Hi Jason,
These are are all great questions, and I'm pleased for the opportunity to offer my opinion about them.
A. I tentatively disagree with any direct relationship between the Walker shooting in Dallas, and LHO's Bringuier scuffle in New Orleans.
*** They are unrelated in degree of violence. That's the first clue. A fair fight is one thing -- sniper fire is something else entirely.
*** Yet they are not even related in terms of Communist orientation. The shooters at General Walker were never arrested.
B. IMHO, the Walker shooting was motivated by George De Mohrenschildt (DM). I have been saying this for years, following my study of the biography of George DM by Bruce Campbell Adamson (1999).
*** As a Russian refugee, George DM hated both Communists and Fascists -- a consequence of WW2.*** George DM had the ear of Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) from 6/1962 to 3/1963. At that time, LHO called General Walker, "General Fokker" (c.f. George DM's 1977 manuscript).
C. HOWEVER -- I must now explain the bizare circumstance that General Walker and Carlos Bringuier knew each other very well, through the John Birch Society, and that LHO interacted with both -- Walker as a target, and Bringuier as a confederate.
D. The key to my interpretation is that LHO *actually* clashed with Walker, but cooperated with Bringuier by *pretending* to clash with him.
E. The question becomes this: How do we understand this triplet: Walker-LHO-Bringuier?
I will now address your numbered questions in blue:
1. My first belief is that Bringuier and Walker are connected through Guy Banister.
*** My opinion may change depending on the date of that JBS Speakers' Poster that you posted, Jason. It says "February," but not the YEAR. Yet the YEAR is crucial.
*** If the year of that poster is 1963, then Walker knew Bringuier BEFORE the Walker shooting.
*** If the year of that poster is 1964, then Walker knew Bringuier AFTER the Walker shooting, from NOLA, and so from Guy Banister.
2. Bringuier denies knowing Guy Banister, and yet DRE shared the same address as Guy Banister, and they were on the same side in politics -- so Bruingieur isn't telling the Truth.
*** The Truth would have exposed the JFK Assassination plotters among the Radical Right confederates of General Walker in New Orleans.
3. According to Carlos Bringuier -- who wishes to hide the fact that Guy Banister managed LHO in New Orleans -- the reference to William Reiley is to Reiley Coffee Company in New Orleans, for whom LHO worked for 10 weeks.
4. According to Harold Weisberg, Bringuier and Walker meet in Dallas, but that was AFTER the Walker shooting.5. Walker, Surrey and Bringuier are clearly linked after the Walker shooting -- because Walker and Surrey were inseparable.
*** The Big Question I have is whether they were ever linked BEFORE the Walker shooting.
6. I always doubt "Oswald sighting" reports because they are so common, and every famous homicide case has its share of "mistaken identity" cases. Unless something material or tangible is identified aside from "I think I saw his face," then I discount it 100%.
All best,
--Paul -
On 5/13/2018 at 12:45 AM, Jason Ward said:
Hi Paul,
I want to review some more WC testimony but what you've brought up here is one of the strongest reasons I'm interested in looking at the Radical Right with you - New Orleans.
However, I might look at New Orleans with a somewhat different focus than most people because for me the most telling character in New Orleans is.....>>>Carlos Bringuier<<<
The fact that General Walker is close to Bringuier speaks volumes.
The fact that General Walker directs John T Martin to produce a film
- first of the window Oswald officially shot through in the Walker attack on 10APR63, and
- then films Oswald in New Orleans on Canal St with Carlos Bringuier
............speaks to a level of conspiracy to the point that Walker knows in advance what Oswald's actions will be.
On the morning of 22NOV63 the DPD already know the patsy's identity as we've seen in their conspicuous WC testimony. Likewise, since Walker knew where Oswald was going to be in the provocative "fight" with Carlos Bringuier in August of 1963, could we wonder if Walker knew in advance Oswald's role on 22NOV63, along with the DPD?
1. General Walker and Carlos Bringuier don't even try to hide their association with each other; they appear at "anti-communist leadership" schools together.
Oswald gets into a theatrical fight with Carlos Bringuier in New Orleans after earlier that spring shooting at General Walker's house in Dallas....but....Walker + Bringuier are friends....hmmmm....why is Oswald targeting these two friends?
2. Carlos Bringuier joins the "Christian Crusade" in speaking tours across the country, frequently with General Edwin Walker.....and monitored by the FBI:
3. Carlos Bringuier for the rest of his life insists Oswald is Castro's agent, just like the rest of the extreme right:
4. Jim Garrison was on to Bringuier and Walker and believes the Dealey Plaza operatives were General Walker's Minutemen:
5. Dr Jerry Rose made a point still almost never mentioned in the assassination "research" community: General Walker is linked to Carlos Bringuier
6. On 13OCT63 General Walker went to a meeting in support of Carlos Bringuier's DRE
7. Carlos Bringuier and General Walker together on tour:
8. Dr Carlos Bringuier in a recent photo, still a fixture of the John Birch Society:
Hi Jason,
If anything was ever going to change my mind that General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) were actually cooperating in the 10April1963 shooting at Walker in Dallas, it would be this connection with Carlos Bringuier.
For years I have insisted on this Forum that LHO truly shot at General Walker, and that General Walker then tracked and secretly manipulated LHO for the rest of 1963, until he could get LHO into a position to take revenge. In my CT, as I repeatedly said, General Walker took revenge by blaming the JFK Assassination on LHO, and then supporting the DPD to silence LHO in any way they chose.
HOWEVER -- the fact that LHO plotted with Guy Banister in New Orleans in 1963 along with Cuban refugee, Carlos Bringuier, who was a personal friend of General Walker -- PLUS the fact that General Walker knew Carlos Bringuier as early as February, 1963, must make me pause and question my own CT.
Let's review the implications, consequences and possible outcomes of such a connection.
1. I am convinced that LHO and Carlos Bringuier worked with Ed Butler, the INCA propaganda expert, to obtain film of LHO on Canal Street, with radio and TV spots. My opinion echoes that of Jeff Caufield, who reports that Guy Banister and Ed Butler often worked together.
2. I am convinced that LHO and Carlos Bringuier "staged" the so-called "fight" on Canal Street in New Orleans. My opinion echoes that of the arresting officer.
*** Also, LHO wrote to the Communist Party USA the week before, to tell him that he had a fight with a Cuban refugee. So, it was all staged, IMHO.
3. I am convinced that General Walker directed a young Minuteman, Jack T. Martin, from his home in Minnesota, to Dallas to film the holes in Walker's house, to New Orleans to film LHO on Canal Street in a fight with Carlos Bringuier.
4. I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT, JASON, that General Walker clearly knew in advance exactly where LHO would be in New Orleans, on what day, at what time. with which associates, and doing what activity.
5. One implication is that General Walker, Carlos Bringuier and LHO were working together before April, 1963 -- that is a distinct possibility.
6. This would tend to validate Jeff Caufield's theory (2015) that LHO shooting at General Walker on April 10, 1963 was a "staged" or "false flag" publicity stunt.
7. Let us now stipulate this, for the sake of argument.
8. This suggests that LHO and General Walker were working together as early as February, 1963, at the same time that George De Mohrenschildt was telling LHO that General Walker was a terrible person, calling him, "General Fokker."
*** This was also the same time that Volkmar Schmidt was telling LHO that General Walker was "as bad as Hitler."
9. So -- if LHO was working with General Walker in February, 1963 -- then he would have been toying with George DM and Volkmar Schmidt, pretending to be their friend, when actually he was their political enemy.
10. Although that is a distinct possibility -- it doesn't have the ring of truth, IMHO.
11. The necessary evidence would be as follows: Do we have evidence of LHO and Bringuier at any time BEFORE the Walker shooting?
12. If we do, then Jeff Caufield's theory would have some serious weight behind it.
13. In this new theory, General Walker was even more crafty than I expected -- he hated LHO simply because LHO had allegedly "defected" to Russia, and had brought back to Dallas a Russian bride.
*** It was for this reason alone (and not because of any Walker shooting) that General Walker targeted LHO for a death sentence.
*** It was for this reason alone that General Walker worked on LHO for a solid year (from March 1963 or even earlier, perhaps going back to 1962) to sheep-dip LHO as a Communist, and an FPCC officer.
14. However, lacking any evidence that LHO knew Carlos Bringuier BEFORE the Walker shooting (April 10, 1963), this would be a serious argument AGAINST Caufield in my reading.
15. Unless we can find some evidence linking LHO with Carlos Bringuier BEFORE the Walker shooting, then I find myself back to my original CT.
*** In my original CT, the first that General Walker gave a hoot about LHO was AFTER the Walker shooting -- precisely because of the shooting. The shooting changed everything for both men.
*** On Easter Sunday, 1963, when the FBI called Walker to tell him what Natasha Voshinin said that morning, Walker immediately told Guy Banister his political associate in New Orleans.
*** By a lucky coincidence, Guy Banister's close associate in New Orleans, namely, David Ferrie, knew LHO since childhood. Manipulating LHO would now be a snap.
16. CONCLUSION: To make an earlier connection between General Walker and LHO than the Walker shooting -- MATERIAL EVIDENCE IS STILL REQUIRED.
All best,
--PaulP.S. Jason, you show a poster of an Anti-Communist School featuring many speakers, including segregationist Reverend Billy James Hargis, along with Carlos Bringuier and General Walker. The poster said this seminar was scheduled for "February" but I can't see a YEAR in that poster. Do you see a year mentioned? Is it 1963? Or is it 1964. That would also make a difference to my theory.
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On 5/13/2018 at 8:59 AM, Jason Ward said:
Hi Paul,
1. Sylvia Odio's famous moment in the assassination saga comes when Oswald IIRC is meant to be on a bus to Mexico City. Can you explain the timeline in your CT for these few days if you have one?
2. Is it plausible that Loran Hall, Hemming, Howard, Seymour, and/or others in the Interpen group were part of the Mexico City scenes? Could one or more of them, along with Oswald, explain the different voice and appearance descriptions attached to Oswald by various Mexico City witnesses?
Jason
Hi Jason,
1. In my timeline, Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) never took a bus to Mexico City.
2. Instead, on Wednesday, September 25, 1963, LHO was a passenger in an automobile, with two other men, driving from New Orleans to Dallas, leaving at perhaps 10 AM, and arriving about 8 hours later (about 7 PM) at the apartment of Silvia Odio. Spending perhaps 20 minutes with Miss Odio, they resumed their trip to the Mexican border.
3. They crossed the border of Mexico on Thursday, September 26, according to Mexican Immigration Records. "Oswald, Lee H." was officially logged as a passenger in a car.
4. By contrast, no bus records whatsoever exist to affirm that LHO was a passenger on any bus to Mexico at that time or any other time.
5. By contrast, the WC testimony of all three witnesses used by the WC to claim that LHO was a passenger on a bus, falls apart very quickly.
6. Silvia Odio could not remember when the three strangers came to her door. It is folly to try to hold her to a date. She repeatedly said she could only remember the week -- it was the final week in September, 1963. She was moving -- that's how she remembered that much. It was WRONG for the FBI or anybody to claim that Silvia Odio gave any date for this visit.
7. Silvia Odio physically described Loran Hall, Larry Howard and "Leon" Oswald very well. (BTW, there is no name "Lee" in Spanish, so Spanish speakers regularly substitute the common Spanish name, "Leon.")
*** She also correctly stated that the two men other than "Leon" supplied "war names" instead of their real names -- and that one started with "L" and the other started with "A". That also matches the modus operandi of Loran Hall and Larry Howard.
8. Silvia Odio refused to identify Loran Hall to the FBI -- IMHO because she feared Loran Hall as a violent maniac on speed, and Silvia had no confidence that the FBI would protect her, because she was contradicting the "Lone Nut" dogma of the FBI.
Anyway, Jason, there's my timeline.
All best,
--Paul -
On 5/11/2018 at 4:10 PM, Jason Ward said:
The FBI also had connected Loran Hall and Gerry Patrick Hemming to General Walker well before the assassination - see (1) below.
Can you clarify the obvious reasons you mention for those of us who are not so attuned to the obvious?
1. Loran and Hall with General Walker as known to the FBI in early 1963
2. The CIA was also aware of the Hemming - Walker friendliness
SOURCES
1 FBI, HSCA Subject File: Interpen. NARA 124-10294-10354
2 CIA, Russ Holmes Work File, NARA 104-10435-10025
Jason,
There are many other recorded contacts between Gerry Patrick Hemming, Loran Hall and General Walker in 1963. Here are just a few more:
A. Gerry Patrick Hemming said on this Forum (IIRC) that he and various Interpen comrades, including Loran Hall, visited General Walker only a few days after the April 10, 1963 shooting. They sat out on Walker's back porch at 4011 Turtle Creek Boulevard in Dallas, smoking cigarettes and drinking beer. Hemming said that he was amazed that General Walker looked so calm, cool and collected on his back porch -- when he should have been more timid, since somebody had tried to kill him just a few days earlier on that very spot -- and no shooter had yet been arrested.
B. In August, 1963, after Walker had won millions of dollars of judgments against the Associated Press for its articles reporting Walker's role at the Ole Miss race riots, Gerry Patrick Hemming sent General Walker a written request for money for Interpen, to continue paramilitary raids on Cuba. That letter is in various archives.
C. Loran Hall told Jim Garrison that in late September 1963, Loran Hall and William Seymour were stopped for a traffic violation in Dallas while pulling a trailer of paramilitary supplies. Then, the Dallas cops found some bennies in the glove compartment, and Loran Hall was taken to jail. Minutes later, Robert Morris (General Walker's lawyer) came to bail Loran Hall out of jail. Then, Robert Morris drove to General Walker's house, and Loran Hall and William Seymour followed in their car and trailer. They visited with General Walker for a while. Loran Hall told Jim Garrison that Warren Reynolds was also at General Walker's house at the time, and in his opinion, Reynolds and Walker were having an affair.
OK, so when I said that "Loran Hall was not subpoenaed by the WC (for obvious reasons) but he was subpoenaed by Jim Garrison for the same reasons," what I meant by "obvious reasons," was that Loran Hall was plausibly linked to Lee Harvey Oswald as a possible accomplice in the JFK Assassination -- in multiple ways.
One way was in the Silvia Odio story. Although Silvia Odio refused to identify Loran Hall to the FBI (because, IMHO, Loran Hall terrified Silvia, and Silvia did not trust the FBI to protect her), the record is clear that the FBI quickly nailed Loran Hall for the Silvia Odio visit, and Loran Hall initially confessed that he had indeed visited Silvia Odio's apartment with Larry Howard and an LHO look-alike.
A few days later, Loran Hall retracted his confession. (Still the WC reported Hall's confession as a historical fact.)
Another way was with a direct connection between Loran Hall and Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans through Guy Banister, Gerry Patrick Hemming, Interpen and the paramilitary camp at Lake Pontchartrain managed by David Ferrie. The Warren Commission did not want to go there. Jim Garrison wanted to go there. (So did Jeff Caufield.)
All best,
--Paul -
4 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:
The rumor you referred to was that "Osborne claimed he spoke with Lee Harvey Oswald." The Australians didn't say he claimed that so they can't be a source of it and the FBI memo you quote says nothing about Osborne making such a claim.
Ron,
Yes I agree as a technicality. I didn't say that Osborne was the source of the rumor. The source of the rumor as a rumor (not a fact) came from the insinuation implied by the stipulation that: (1) Osborne was sitting next to LHO as the FBI said; and (2) the English speaking people were talking and laughing with each other as Mumford said.
GIven the subjective claims spread by the FBI and Mumford, the RUMOR arose that Osborne spoke to LHO.
Osborne never said he did. Nobody ever quoted him as saying that he did. There was never any material evidence that he did -- aside from the RUMOR as started by the FBI, Mumford and wildly, The Torbit Document.
What explains the commonplace assumption that Osborne spoke to LHO? It was mainly the FBI and the Warren Commission -- attempting to place LHO on a bus to Mexico City -- instead of as a passenger in a car entering Mexico City, as Mexican Immigration Records plainly indicate.
If the truth was known -- that LHO entered Mexico City as a passenger in a car -- then LHO could not be the Lone Nut -- he had accomplices.
So, the ultimate source of the rumor of Osborne talking to LHO is the Lone Nut theory started by J. Edgar Hoover and promulgated by the Warren Commission.
All best,
--Paul -
47 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:
I'm not aware of such a rumor. Two Australian ladies on the bus said they heard Osborne, Oswald, and the McFarland couple talking a lot and laughing.
Ron,
OK, that in itself is one source of the rumor -- Pamela Mumford and Patricia Winston from Australia. There is another source, namely, CE 2195, which is an FBI Memo of March 11, 1964, entitled, "Report of SA Emory E Horton. Here is n excerpt from that FBI memo:
Investigation disclosed LEE HARVEY OSWALD made a trip on Fleche Roja Bus leaving Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, 9/26/63 and arrived Mexico City, Mexico, 9/27/63 . OSWALD reportedly sat beside an elderly white male on this bus trip . The elderly white male has been identified by other English speaking passengers that were on that bus as ALBERT OSBORNE who is also known as JOHN HOWARD BOWEN.
I know I have seen this rumor in other places as well (e.g. The Torbitt Document), as a sort of dogma about LHO on that bus. (I personally claim that LHO was not on that bus.) The fact that OSBORNE lied about his identity and alias was used as evidence that OSBORNE lied about his denial of speaking to OSWALD on that bus. The matter was left at that.
In my CT, it was J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI who insisted that LHO was on that bus, and they exploited the feeble testimony of Mumford, Winston and the MacFarland couple in establishing this "mistaken identity" sighting as genuine.
Osborne denied it -- but Osborne was a L-I-A-R. So, Hoover declared, "case closed."
All best,
--Paul -
11 hours ago, Jason Ward said:
Hi Paul,
There's plenty of titillating references in the new releases that perhaps hold promise for your CT. I'll keep looking and post what I find - some tidbits are below. If your CT is correct and the Radical Right are behind the assassination, what do you think about leveraging the MLK investigative files? Much of that investigation looks at right wingers and some of the familiar names pop up - like Kent Courtney, the John Birch Society, the Minutemen and so forth.
Jason
Hi Jason,
In my humble opinion, we should pursue no other documents than JFK Assassination documents to illuminate the JFK Assassination.
On the contrary, such excursions are often exploited by CIA did it CTers to dilute the field of data, and to obscure their wild goose chase.
In the past month on this thread, you and I have highlighted one of most concise portraits of JFK suspects in the past half-century. Now is the time to tighten the noose -- not loosen it again.
JFK was killed in Dallas by a Dallas plot. Please maintain this tight focus. The JFK Murder must be our exclusive focus, in my view. Our only secondary sources should be the files of Jim Garrison as he explored Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in 1963. Garrison gave us witnesses that the WC had overlooked -- mainly, Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Gerry Patrick Hemming and Loran Hall -- who all relate back to Dallas.
(Actually, the FBI did interview Loran Hall for the Warren Commission on two occasions; [1] regarding the rifle pawned by Gerry Patrick Hemming to Richard Hathcock and Dick Whatley and redeemed by Loran Hall and then found at Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963; and [2] regarding Silvia Odio's sighting of Lee Harvey Oswald at her doorstep during the summer of 1963, to which Loran Hall confessed and then recanted.)
Loran Hall was not subpoenaed by the WC (for obvious reasons) but he was subpoenaed by Jim Garrison for the same reasons. Here is a rich motherlode of data that highlights the US Radical Right outside of Dallas -- and yet still directly related to Dallas. Loran Hall and Gerry Patrick Hemming, for example, were sometime visitors of General Walker in Dallas in 1963. We have material evidence.
All best,
--Paul -
2 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:
Osborne never told the FBI that he spoke with Oswald. He said from the beginning of the interviews that he sat next to a man who looked Hispanic and they never conversed. He changed his story about his own identity etc. but not about the apparent Hispanic who sat next to him.
As for Osborne demanding to know if he was on trial, he should have been put on trial for lying, repeatedly, to the FBI. But instead of charging him, that venerable law-enforcement organization simply quit talking to him, i.e. listening to his lies.
Ron,
In your reading, what is the source of the widespread rumour that Osborne claimed he spoke with Lee Harvey Oswald on Tha Mexico City bus?
Thanks,
--Paul
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On 5/10/2018 at 6:42 PM, Jason Ward said:
Well we can look at Walker, Oliver, and a few more on the extreme right who gave testimony to round out their initial stories. But what to look for in the new releases?
Jason
Hi Jason,
Yes, that's the question of the day. Yet let's pause a moment and review what we've seen in the past month. It should be plain by now -- going by material evidence alone -- that the Dallas Radical Right had a tight grip on the offices of the Dallas Mayor, District Attorney, Chief of Police, Sheriff, Captain of Homicide, USPS Inspector, all of their minions -- and also crucial men in the Dallas FBI and the Dallas Secret Service.
We have seen many of these individuals operating together in harmony in Dealey Plaza, Oak Cliff, Irving and inside the DPD station.
We have a firm CT with material evidence -- that this group operated in tandem with the group who published the WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbills, and the WELCOME TO DALLAS MISTER KENNEDY black-bordered ad, and even the humiliation of UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson in the previous month.
The Dallas Radical Right is clearly exposed as Suspect Number One in our month-long research, by my reading.
So -- now let's reconsider what Chief Justice Earl Warren said in late 1964, after the Warren Report was published, and he was questioned about why he held back so many documents from NARA -- he said that the Truth about the JFK Assassination would be withheld from the American public -- but was being preserved and would be released to the American people, however, "not in your lifetime."
All right. In those days people determined 75 years for the release of the JFK records that Chief Justice Earl Warren had withheld from NARA. That would make the release year, 2038. However, President GHW Bush in 1992 signed the JFK Records Act, which shortened that date, making the new deadline October 26, 2017 (exactly 25 years from his signing date). So, instead of 75 years from 1963, that would be only 54 years from 1963. Thus, President GHW Bush shaved 21 years off the original estimate.
As we have seen, that date has come and gone, and 35,000 documents were finally released on that date. In my humble opinion, the records that Chief Justice Earl Warren deliberately withheld from NARA at the end of 1964, will be found somewhere in those thousands of pages.
What should we look for? In my opinion this should be crystal clear by now. We should be looking ONLY for data about the Dallas Radical Right. All the players we mentioned, but especially the leaders -- like General Walker, Robert Alan Surrey, Sheriff Bill Decker, Captain Will Fritz, Chief Jesse Curry, Dallas FBI agents James Hosty and James Bookhout, and Dallas Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrells, and USPD Inspector Harry Holmes -- and many if not most of their subordinates.
The JFK Assassination was managed by these simple people. The evidence was falsified by them - the signs are clear, in my reading.
These Dallas Rightists are the central people we should be seeking. All other suspects are likely to waste time. No CIA plots for me. The JFK plot was -- a Civilian plot.
Regards,
--Paul -
On 5/10/2018 at 6:42 PM, Jason Ward said:
...Earl Warren implicated the Radical Right before he was asked to serve up a Lone Nut story, and IMO he was positioned to have a good grasp on the way crime and politics mix.
But Hoover is the best positioned to know about everything.
Jason
Hi Jason,
Yes, I agree about Chief Justice Earl Warren. And I also agree that J. Edgar Hoover was best positioned to know all the facts of the JFK murder, on the very day of the murder.
In my opinion, J. Edgar Hoover informed Chief Justice Earl Warren about the case against the Radical Right in Dallas -- led by General Walker -- only hours after the JFK Assassination. That's how Earl Warren knew about it, and that's how early he knew about it.
In my opinion, J. Edgar Hoover knew all of the crucial details of the perpetrators of the JFK Assassination by 3 PM on 11/22/1963. This is because he had big, fat files on Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) and General Walker in his private file cabinet.
As soon as LHO was arrested -- long before he was charged in the JFK Assassination -- J. Edgar Hoover had his file on his desk, and quickly saw what NOLA DA Jim Garrison reported to the world five years later -- namely -- that LHO had been working for Guy Banister in New Orleans, at 544 Camp Street.
J. Edgar Hoover was well aware of Guy Banister, a former FBI man, who quit the FBI because it was too restrictive for him. Guy Banister was a rank racist, who could not tolerate the Brown Decision of Chief Justice Earl Warren to racially integrate all US Public Schools. Guy Banister ran for office in Louisiana on this racist program -- to reverse the Brown Decision, and to impeach Earl Warren.
And Lee Harvey Oswald worked for this man.
By 3 PM on 11/22/1963, Hoover called RFK to tell him that LHO was never a Communist Party member, and never a genuine officer in the FPCC.
In other words, Hoover figured it all out. LHO was a pawn in the game of Guy Banister in NOLA, therefore LHO was a pawn in the game of General Walker in Dallas. It was as plain as the nose on his face.
All best,
--Paul -
In my opinion, because the US Radical Right escaped unpunished for the crime of killing JFK in 1963, it has expanded into the monster that it has become today.
America is paying for its past transgressions.
BTW, y'all might know that Joe Koch, father of the famous political Koch brothers, was one of the founders of the John Birch Society.
Regards,
--Paul Trejo -
8 hours ago, Jason Ward said:
Yes, Paul, I think given what I've seen of the documents released over the last year, the freshest clues in the assassination might yet be found in old papers in someone's attic, in local law enforcement files not subject to the JFK records act, or in the stories handed down by family members.
For example, in December of 1963 someone in New York was already pining for your Walker-did-it-conspiracy-theory.....did they know something and leave some clues for us to find?
Jason,
I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet, because US Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren explicitly said in 1964 that the official evidence for the solution to the JFK Assassination was "being preserved," and would be released, but "not in your lifetime."
I accept him at his word. I believe the Radical Right TRUTH of the JFK Assassination has been preserved.
I maintain that the full material evidence nailing the Dallas Radical Right for the JFK Assassination was released by the US Government last October, but a half century of false flags stands in the way of locating it. It's out there. The WC background we have been digging up for the past month is only a prelude. I believe Earl Warren's final pronouncements on the JFK case.
In December of 1963, by my reading, thousands of Americans were certain that the Radical Right in Dallas killed JFK. Michael and Ruth Paine were only two.
All best,
--Paul -
7 hours ago, Jason Ward said:
Mervyn, can we discuss this in the thread you started about Oswald in Europe?
I'll share one quote from that link about Oswald's application to Albert Scweitzer College that might interest Paul Trejo:
- How Oswald found out about this obscure little college has long been regarded as something of a mystery. [...]
- The answer to the mystery may well be found in his relationship with Kerry Thornley. Thornley - a noted right-winger - ....
I'll move this link to the other thread.
Kerry Thornley was anything but "a noted right-winger." Kerry Thornley was a noted "flower child" of the 1960's. Raised Mormon, he was known in the 1960's as the "Sinister Minister of the First Evangelical and Unrepentant Church of No Faith," and his newsletter was called, Zenarchy. He founded the Church of the Subgenius.
Kerry, who was college educated and liberal, liked Lee Harvey Oswald at El Toro Marine base in 1959 because LHO was different. LHO at least made an effort to read political books, unlike most Marines.
Yet Kerry was also young and hard to please, and had little patience with the fake Marxism of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Kerry Thornley's WC testimony is quite plain on all this.
Regards,
--Paul Trejo -
Hi Jason,
A couple more words. Photographs of Robert Alan Surrey are extremely rare. Gayle Nix Jackson has the largest collection of them that I know about. She contacted the two sons of Robert Alan Surrey in Dallas, and they told her stories that she published in her new book, Pieces of the Puzzle (2018).
Their stories are memories from their childhood, so that might make a difference when we evaluate them -- although they tend to agree that Lee Harvey Oswald was well-known by their father. In any case, the boys had photographs of Robert Alan Surrey that they agreed to share with Gayle.
By the way, Jason, do you have a "year" for the photograph of Surrey that you shared?
Finally, about the car belonging to Charles Klihr. I completely accept the attribution of the ownership of this car as decided by the WC. The photograph shown was taken by the camera belonging to Lee Harvey Oswald -- the same camera that took the original "Backyard Photograph" at Neely Street in Oak Cliff, Dallas.
According to Marina Oswald, LHO was obsessed with General Walker from March to April 1963, and took several photographs of his property. Marina recognized the photograph -- except for the blackout (redaction) of the license plate.
Why was the license plate blacked out by the FBI, was the common question. The answer is that the FBI would always "redact" documents to remove the names of private citizens, many of whom were entirely innocent. The same applies to Charles Klihr, in my opinion. Knowing that most JBS members were simple-minded and well-intentioned folks, who only wanted to save the USA from Communism -- there were many, many volunteers who came to the American Eagle Publishing Company address, which was Walker's home, to do free work there.
Charles Klihr and his wife both volunteered at the Walker address. They mainly did mail-order business envelope stuffing and filing. They did this for free. They were supervised by General Walker's secretary, Julia Knecht, who worked full-time at Walker's home. (Julia contributed 40 boxes of Walker's personal papers to the Briscoe Center for the Study of American History, bringing the total to 90 boxes.)
Now -- Charles Klihr and his wife were also members of the Friends of Walker, and paid dues to Walker for his newsletter. His children today may have copies of every single newsletter that Walker sent. They might know something that nobody else knows. Maybe.
All best,
--Paul -
Hi Jason,
Here are my remarks about the Mary Ferrell citation you shared:
Mary Ferrell here prefaces a rarely perused sideshow of the JFK assassination -- namely, the humiliation of Adlai Stevenson in Dallas one month before JFK arrived -- by exactly the same people who killed JFK, namely, the people reporting to General Walker. Here is the background.
US Ambassador to the United Nations, Adlai Stevenson, advertised that he was coming to Dallas on October 24, 1963, to deliver a speech on behalf of the UN. Being a Washington DC elitist, he was blissfully unaware of the John Birch Society (JBS) rhetoric. For the JBS, the UN was Communist. It was a tool for Communist nations to increase their influence, and to undermine USA influence around the world. It had no other purpose. So, the JBS widely sold two bumper stickers to advertise their political opinion; one was: "US out of UN!" and the other one was "UN out of US!".
The JBS also had a standing rule for all JBS members, nationwide: "Never allow a Communist speaker to complete his speech in your town." Whether other JBS members in the USA obeyed that standing rule was irrelevant for General Walker -- he was not going to allow Adlai Stevenson to complete his speech. In response, General Walker assembled his "troops" in Dallas, including ranking members of the JBS in Dallas, Robert Alan Surrey, Joe Grinnen, members of the NIC (National Indignation Convention), and various Minutemen. Joe Grinnen and Robert Alan Surrey recruited Larrie Schmidt to recruit Young Republicans from a local college, to picket outside and give the protest a respectable front.
General Walker's plan was to start his own holiday in response. If the UN could declare a "UN Day" in Dallas, then General Walker would declare a "US Day" in Dallas. When? Exactly one day before "UN Day." Furthermore, if the UN could book the Dallas Memorial Auditorium for this venue, then so could General Walker -- the night before.
The night before Adlai Stevenson's UN Day, in the very same auditorium, General Walker held his "US Day" event. Larrie Schmidt was there, and he told me what he saw. After various ceremonial activities, including the bouquet welcoming of the South Vietnamese aristocrat, Madame Nhu , our General Walker addressed the crowd, telling them that Adlai Stevenson must never be allowed to complete his speech about the UN on the following night, because it was a "Communist" speech.
The attendees were instructed to buy as many tickets to Adlai Stevenson's speech that they could afford, to ensure that they were the majority there that night. They were instructed to bring New Years Eve party noisemakers, and to stomp their feet, applaud out of turn, hiss, boo, stand up and make speeches, and in every other way disrupt the "Communist" speech of Adlai Stevenson.
As the final kiss, volunteers were asked to help Joe Grinnen hang a giant banner from the ceiling of the Dallas Memorial Auditorium, and roll it up to the ceiling, and tie both ends with a long rope. The rope would also hang down, such that when somebody pulled on the rope, the giant banner would unfold down from the ceiling, announcing on one side "US out of UN!" and on the other side, "UN out of US!" to a standing ovation!
The humiliation of Adlai Stevenson the next night is famous -- but not all the details are famous. It should be more widely perused, in my opinion, because it showed the effective control of staff by General Walker and Robert Alan Surrey. (Further confirmation about these details may be found in Chris Cravens' well-known 1991 thesis on General Walker.) In a new revelation, those WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbills also circulated through downtown Dallas on October 23 and 24, 1963, for "US Day" and "UN Day", as well as Dallas-wide on November 22, 1963.
All best,
--Paul -
Hi Jason,
Here are my responses to your nine CONCERNS.
1. Robert Alan Surrey is the only witness out of 488 WC witnesses in 1964 who took the 5th Amendment, to avoid answering a question that "may tend to incriminate" him. He did this more than 20 times. Why so many? The answer is in the nature of the questions. Every single one of those questions was about the WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbills. Every single one. So, that's the answer for "why so many."
2. Congressman Boggs was miffed that Surrey suggested that local news was better than national news (like the WC) because, Surrey said, national news did not always tell the truth. Specifically, Surrey used the phrase "muzzle." That's from the Bible (Deuteronomy 25:4) "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." This phrase was famous in 1961 with regard to removing General Walker from his command in Germany. Though the Pentagon removed him over a shore flap with the US Army newspaper there, which had been trying to dig up stories about Walker being gay, Walker claimed that "JFK had fired him over JBS propaganda." So, Walker claimed he was "muzzled" by JFK. The phrase became famous in 1962 and came to mean "political censorship," but also that somebody was a "bad Christian." Congressman Boggs, a Southerner, took that personally.
3. In my CT, Earl Warren knew the full story about the guilt of the Radical Right in Dallas. He could never say this, since he was committed to the Lone Nut CT (due to National Security concerns). Earl Warren in 1964 found out that Adlai Stevenson had been assaulted by General Walker's people. It was well-known in Dallas (cf. Cravens, 1993) though James Hosty kept the truth from Washington DC.
4. It is difficult today to see how famous General Walker was throughout 1962 (before he went underground). General Walker was a fierce, outspoken critic of JFK (like Rush Limbaugh during the Obama years). General Walker was known in Texas as a former candidate for State Governor. General Walker was known in Dallas as a close, personal friend of H.L. Hunt -- the richest man in town. So, only minutes after April 1963 shots at Walker in Oak Lawn (a fairly wealthy district) police and newspaper reporters were all over the house.
5. Surrey and Walker believed that Walker's house was bugged because (5.1) they were both paranoid, because; (5.2) they both had much to hide.
6. There was plenty of accusation that Oswald received money from the Western Union office -- from the Western Union clerks themselves, called to testify before the Warren Commission. Their testimony fell apart -- like several other "mistaken identity" cases in the JFK case.
7. I have no information about a maroon-colored Ford in Dallas in the JFK case -- although there were probably hundreds of maroon-colored Fords in Dallas in 1963.
8. Surrey hoped, as Walker hoped, to convert the WC attorneys from the Lone Nut CT, and that the WC should be seeking the Communist accomplices of LHO. LHO had many Communist accomplices, they sang; not only in killing JFK -- but also in trying to kill General Walker. They sang this same song for 30 years.
9. Surrey's implication about the neighbor's dog harmonizes with another witness story that the neighbor's dog was sick that night -- possibly as a result of food poisoning, deliberately poisoned by the shooters. As for Jenner's strategy, I think he was trying to get on Surrey's good side, to tempt Surrey to share more information than Surrey was willing to share. Yet Surrey knew exactly how to lie to the "enemy" -- he had to hide the very key to the JFK Assassination.
All best,
--Paul -
3 hours ago, Jason Ward said:
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the Life magazine article on the young Radical Right wingers who organized the hostile "Welcome Mr Kennedy to Dallas" newspaper ad. ...
Filled with liquid courage and beer soaked clarity of mind, they plan to takeover the entire American Right Wing so that they can....shift it more to the Right. Their biggest success is acting as front men for the Hunt family, the John Birch Society, and the local gentry of the Dallas Right in placing an anti-Kennedy newspaper ad.
... Maybe one take-away I get from Bernie Weissman is: where do budding conservative operatives and passionate nationalists head to straight from their army days in Europe? .....Dallas.
Hi Jason,
Yes, all agreed -- and I would add something. My one take-away from Bernie Weissman is that General Walker was in the very center of the CUSA drama in Dallas.
It was General Walker's people in the JBS who were behind the WELCOME TO DALLAS MISTER KENNEDY black-bordered ad.
Yet we also saw from Robert Klause that it was General Walker's people who were behind the WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbills!
Let's pause a moment, and put two and two together.
During November/December 2015, I interviewed Ruth Paine. I pointedly asked her one of the most frequently asked questions in all of CT literature in the past half-century, namely, when Michael Paine called her on this tapped phone conversation on 11/22/1963, and told her, "We both know who did it," what did she understand Michael to mean?
Ruth Paine did not hesitate in the slightest -- she told me that she and Michael had an intuitive connection about this -- they both knew intuitively what the other was thinking -- and they both felt strongly that those people in Dallas who had published the Black-bordered Ad and that WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbills -- were the very people who killed JFK that day.
I agree with Michael and Ruth Paine 100%. Now, she explained, this was only their intuition. They didn't have any knowledge beyond this guesswork. I say they guessed 100% right.
All best,
--Paul -
Hi Jason,
I finally found that LIFE Magazine article about Larrie Schmidt and CUSA in Germany in 1962 and Dallas in 1963. Here it is, in two parts:
http://www.pet880.com/images/19631122_CUSA_1_NB.jpg
http://www.pet880.com/images/19631122_CUSA_2_NB.jpg
These two pages reveal the entire Larrie Schmidt story. When I interviewed him back in 2012, he took his time and repeated this entire story to me. He particularly dwelled upon the part in which he was in the US Army as the supervisor for the project to turn the Hitler Bunker location into a recreation park for the US Army. That was exciting to Larrie, because he would sleep in all of the bunkers of all the Nazi Leaders, just to say that he had done that. He wore a special suit, and had a chauffeur, and he received celebrities at this new Recreation Park as well as ranking officers and other servicemen seeking a vacation from the business of guarding the Berlin Wall.
Larrie conceived of CUSA entirely on his own. His college degree was in marketing publicity. He was schooled as a writer. (Evidently he was the only CUSA member who had a college degree). He was the leader at this US Army drinking club. His idea was that anybody could take over the political reigns of power -- simply by being in the right place at the right time, with the right ideology and the right words. In 1962, the right ideology was The Conscience of a Conservative (1961) by Barry Goldwater.
Young and inexperienced in politics, but a great believer in propaganda and the use of Mass Media to shape political opinion, Larrie believed that with a small group of loyal followers, that he could rule the world -- a heck of a lot better than JFK was running it.
As you noted, Jason, Larrie and Bernie and their drinking buddies in the USA Army agreed to go to Texas, and to start taking over Radical Right groups, one at a time, until they were all under CUSA. Then they would do this nationally. It was quite a pipe (or beer) dream.
Actually, all the boys thought it was a drunken joke -- all except for Larrie.
In October, 1963, Bernie and Bill Burley were in New York eking out a living as encyclopedia salesmen (with no sales) when they heard the invitation from Larrie to move to Dallas, because Adlai Stevenson was just now humiliated by General Walker's people -- with himself at the helm. Larrie boasted that he was the only one brave enough to put his name out onto the newspapers, and claim responsibility, and defend the actions of the rioters.
Larrie put it all together for Bernie and Bill, and seeking loyal followers, invited them to join.
Larry Jones and his girlfriend had indeed preceded Bernie and Bill to Dallas. Larry Jones was there a couple months before -- seeking work. After a few frustrating weeks of finding no work, he and his girlfriend left Dallas and went back to the East Coast. So, they were gone when Bernie and Bill arrived. Bernie and Bill then tried to make their living as carpet salesmen in Dallas. They worked hard -- but never sold a single carpet in their 3 weeks there. So, it was no big deal when they left Dallas in a hurry. Nobody owed them money.
Bernie and Bill left Dallas as broke as they came -- only they left in a panic.
You're right, Jason, to detect a note of panic in the voicings of Bernie Weissman in his WC testimony. He was terrified. He actually didn't do anything -- that is -- he didn't really know what he did -- but he knew he was in with the WRONG CROWD and he had suspected that from the beginning. He never liked General Walker from the start -- because he was Jewish, and General Walker proved that he was a racist by starting a race riot at Ole Miss in late 1962.
Bernie justified his participation in that as one of the leaders of CUSA, he would be able to TURN all these racists away from being racists, and so save the USA.
But that brings me to the WELCOME TO DALLAS MISTER KENNEDY full-page black-bordered ad in the Dallas Morning News on 11/22/1963. It cost $1,462 in 1963, which is like $14,620 in today's dollars -- cash. Larrie was living hand to mouth, and Bill and Bernie were flat broke. That's a lot of money. It came from the John Birch Society, through a coordinator, Joe Grinnen. Nelson Hunt, son H.L. Hunt, was one of the contributors.
The key to remember about the black-bordered ad, was the source of the text. Where did it come from? Bernie said he edited one line. He waffles about the source of the other lines -- they either came from Larrie Schmidt or from Joe Grinnen "as far as he could tell." In other words, Bernie didn't really know, and didn't really pay attention. In other words, Bernie didn't ask, because he didn't want to know.
In my reading, the wording from the black-bordered ad came entirely from the published speeches of General Walker. The language, the topic, the inflection -- all belongs to General Walker. I think Bernie Weissman expended a lot of energy to live this period of his life in a denial, a denial, a denial, a denial.
All best,
--Paul
General Walker, Lee Harvey Oswald and Dallas Officials
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Mark and Mervyn,
If there is material evidence that Gordon McLendon, radio baron of Texas, who lived in Dallas, was directly involved in the JFK Assassination, I have not seen it after a quarter century of reading CT books.
I go by material evidence and eye-witness accounts. Otherwise, I don't offer speculations. That's the nature of this Forum thread.
What material evidence does anybody have on McLendon? Yes, he was a Radical Rightist in Dallas. Yes, he hated the Brown Decision and held racist views. Yes, he eventually quit the Democratic Party because of LBJ's policies. Yes -- he probably cheered when JFK was assassinated. But so did thousands of people -- or ever hundreds of thousands of people. That is not enough to link him directly with the JFK Assassination.
Jason and I have provided material evidence to demonstrate to show that General Walker was behind the Adlai Stevenson humiliation in Dallas. What similar documentation do you have on the activism of Gordon McLendon?
H.L.Hunt financed General Walker's campaign for Texas Governor in 1962. What role did Gordon McLendon directly play in politics in 1962?
What we have in Gordon McLendon is a rich guy in Dallas who had Rightist views. He was a highly educated person and also a veteran of WW2. He was a leader in his community.
Was he a member of the JBS? Was he a member of the NIC? Was he a member of the Minutemen? Was he a member of the WCC? Did he have his hooks in the Dallas Police Department? Did he have his hooks in the Dallas Sheriff's Department? Did he have his hooks in the Dallas FBI or the Dallas Secret Service?
WHAT MATERIAL EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? PLEASE SHOW ME.
As I say, Jason and I have about 40 pages on this thread showing DOCUMENTS from the FBI and other Government Agencies on General Walker and the suspicious behavior of the Dallas Police and Deputies. The connection between the Dallas Police and the Dallas Minutemen was already documented in 1971 by FBI agent William Turner (a late member of this FORUM).
I've seen nothing about Gordon McLendon except guesswork and "what if" sentences.
Sincerely,
--Paul Trejo