Paul Trejo

Jason,

The activities of Lee Harvey Oswald after the JFK Assassination were probably planned originally to be no problem.

Oswald was picked up by an accomplice in a station wagon and driven away.  The accomplices would be identified as Communists.  Ruth Paine would be Communist number one, along with her station wagon.

But after 3pm CST the new dogma of the Lone Nut came out of Waggoner Carr and Henry Wade's offices.

It was at this time that Fritz and Curry had to "find" new things in Oswald's pockets.

This is why their timeline looks so sloppy -- this and the fact that Tippit failed to shoot Oswald in the street.

All best,
--Paul

On 4/11/2018 at 9:49 PM, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

...between DPD motorcycle cop Marrion Baker and Dallas County Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney, a reasonable assumption arises that they were each together in the TSBD for 10-15 minutes.   Baker mostly has TSBD boss Truly tagging along, who supports Baker's timeline.   In fact, given that both Mooney and Baker are both using the northwest stairs repeatedly around the 6th and 7th floor area, we might ask why they don't see each other?

 e - whose testimony would you buy?  Whose would you leave on the shelf?

• Why doesn't Baker and Truly see Mooney prancing around the stairs in the upper floors of the TSBD and otherwise wandering around with at least 15 minutes of missing time on his hands? 
• Does this imply Mooney is perhaps holed up in the Southeast corner of the 6th floor, farthest point from the northwest stairs/elevator that Baker and Truly are using? 
•  Really the first point we can possibly pinpoint Mooney's timeline is when he says that about 1 o'clock he both sees Fritz and finds the shells.   
• What is Mooney doing for ~30 minutes inside the TSBD, unseen by Baker or Truly or anyone, before he suddenly has a kind-of verifiable timestamp at 1 o'clock only?   
• Why is DPD officer Marrion Baker allowed to undermine the Oswald-as-Lone-Nut theory by his hyper-precise time studies, measured with a stopwatch?
• If DPD Captain Fritz is a conspirator, is there some reason he does NOT want to be at the TSBD until 1?    Does Fritz want to make it known that whatever's going on at the TSBD from 1230-1, he has nothing to do with it?  Why does Fritz have himself stationed at the Trade Mart on 22 November 1963?

Hi Jason,

These are all interesting questions.   I will offer my opinion based on my reading of the Warren Commission volumes.

The WC evidence tells us that DPD motorcycle cop Marrion Baker was the first Dallas Policeman inside the TSBD.  He heard the shots when he was at the corner of Houston and Main -- he was a only a few dozen feet away from Luke Mooney, Buddy Walthers, Roger Craig, Seymore Weitzman and the other Dallas Deputies, watching the JFK parade from the corner of the Dallas County Jailhouse. 

Yet Marrion Baker wasn't paying attention to them when the JFK shots rang out -- he was looking straight ahead at the TSBD, and he saw a flock of pigeons fly away from the roof of the TSBD building at the moment of the shots.   He quickly recognized the sounds as gunfire, and he presumed the shots came from the roof of the TSBD.   His WC testimony is clear and credible, in my reading.

Baker sped his motorcycle to the TSBD, parked it quickly, and ran inside.  Roy Truly saw this, and ran inside behind Officer Baker, seeking to be of service to the Dallas Police.   In my CT, Baker and Truly are utterly ignorant of any JFK plot.   They innocently trust their instincts.  Baker's instinct is to rush to the roof with his own pistol ready-to-hand, and Truly's instinct was to serve the Police as a supervisor of the TSBD building.

Baker timed his entry later with a stopwatch.   It was a matter of seconds -- as little as 75 and as much as 90 seconds -- before Baker and Truly stopped Lee Harvey Oswald, and then let him go, so that they could speed upwards to the TSBD roof. 

Where was Deputy Luke Mooney at this time?  He ran with the other Deputies to the Grassy Knoll picket fence, and jumped over to look into the parking lot and railroad yard there.   At the very fastest they needed 30 seconds to run 300 yards.  In my estimate, the motorcycle of Marrion Baker arrived at the TSBD first, because his motorcycle was probably faster, and he only had to travel 300 feet to the TSBD, while the Deputies had 870 feet to run to the picket fence.

In any case, after the Deputies jumped over the picket fence, they spent time time looking around there.   Mooney said that was only "a few seconds" but I'll take that as a figure of speech.   I gather it was a matter of a couple minutes.  But by that time, Officer Baker and Roy Truly were either on the TSBD roof, or almost there.

Then, Dallas Deputy Luke Mooney decided to go to the 6th floor of the TSBD -- to be by himself.

Dallas Deputy Buddy Walthers testified that at this time, he walked over to the lawn of the park across the street from the picket fence, to look around for shells.   We can see from film footage of this time that Dallas Police were running to and fro in a fairly disorganized manner.  Buddy Walthers confirms this. 

Walthers said that he then met James Tague, and walked to the triple overpass where Tague was standing when his face was nicked by a bullet fragment, and Walthers looked for a bullet mark in the sidewalk, and by the trajectory decided the bullets had to come from the TSBD.   This was close to 10 minutes after the JFK shooting, because we have a photograph of Walthers at the Dealey Plaza park lawn, and the Hertz clock says 12:40. 

It was around this time that Walthers says that he told Deputy Alan Sweatt that the shots came from the TSBD, and from that moment forward, police began to swarm into the TSBD.   Before that moment, said Walthers, the Dallas Officers were a disorganized mess.

Other Dallas Officials claim that they, at least, were at the TSBD, at some point watching or guarding the entrances.  Yet the official time for ordering the sealing of the TSBD was 12:43.   So, it appears that Buddy Walthers might be correct -- his timing agrees with this.

HOWEVER -- given all that background -- my point is that there were Dallas Police and Deputies inside the TSBD from some unknown period of time.   We know this because Luke Mooney said that when he ascended the stairs to the 6th floor -- only "a few" minutes after the JFK shooting, two Deputies were coming down the stairs! 

This is my point -- that no ordinary (innocent) Dallas Officers under these tense circumstances would just stop and dally with other Officers.   Marrion Baker was certain, he said, that the shots came from the roof, and that the shooter did not have time to leave the building, because he went so fast.   Roy Truly objected -- "No!  The shots came from the Grassy Knoll area!  West of the TSBD!"   

From the TSBD rooftop, Roy Truly pointed down to the huge crowd of spectators and Dallas Officers behind the picket fence, as evidence.   "No!" replied Baker.  "The shots came from this roof!  Be careful!  He may still be here, and he's dangerous!"  And Baker searched every inch of the roof, seeking signs of ANYBODY having been there.   There was a tool shed on the roof, and Baker carefully opened the door, pistol in hand, to look inside.  Nothing.   He looked at the fire escape as a possible escape.   

Baker did not time his stay on the TSBD root, except at one point -- when he says that when he and Truly decided to come back down, they met DPD Inspector Herbert Sawyer coming up the stairs!    Yet Sawyer drove to the TSBD after hearing about it on the Dallas Police Radio -- and he was blocks away.   By the time Sawyer arrived and managed to take charge, and "seal the building," the Dallas Logs say it was 12:43 -- thirteen minutes after the JFK shooting.

In any case, even before 12:43 and the official, orderly sealing of the TSBD, the impression I get from WC witnesses (unclear about TIMING) is that the TSBD was "swarming" with Dallas Officers.  Organized or not.

My point is that the Dallas Police and Deputies did not cooperate as they wished -- they usually needed orders, and presumed that other Officers were acting on orders.   Baker took it upon himself to rush to the roof of the TSBD, yet he probably paid no attention at all to any other officers on his way down, except superiors.   Inspector Sawyer gave Baker no  orders.   Baker testifies that he was sorely disappointed that his instincts were wrong.  There was no sign at all of anybody on the roof of the TSBD -- and he had been so sure.   He went out in search of the other motorcyclists in the JFK parade.   His JFK story was over.

So -- finally -- my impression is that Baker and Luke Mooney were not the only Dallas Officers in the TSBD in those first 10 minutes after the JFK shooting.   There were a few others, but they were operating in pairs or alone, during their duty.

My biggest worry is about the "two Deputies" that Luke Mooney saw coming downstairs when he was going upstairs.   Who were they?   What were they doing there?    Luke Mooney never told us.  

Do other WC witnesses mention them?   Well -- Deputy Roger Craig's timing of the period before finding the shells and the Oswald rifle on the 6th floor offers the most clues, IMHO.   Roger Craig implies that the Dallas Deputies were the first in the TSBD, and they fussed on the 7th floor,  and sent Roger Craig to the County Jail to get as many flashlights as he could carry.   (Also, Alan Sweatt's affidavit offers a quantity of Deputies at the picket fence and TSBD -- namely, fifteen.)

So -- SOME Dallas Deputies were on the upper floors 10 minutes after the JFK shooting.  Were they guarding the 6th floor to ensure nobody bothered them?  

In my opinion -- Dallas Officers did not interfere with others, but presumed that each was putting his life on the line for Law and Order that day.   Dallas citizens usually felt the same way -- you never question the intentions of the Dallas Police.    For a half-century, scrutiny of every WC witness except the Dallas Police has been the norm.

All best,
--Paul

3 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Paul

,...It seems there are several points from other testimony to contrast with Fritz, first, how about I look closer at what Deputy Mooney says?

Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney:

1. Mooney has to be in the TSBD searching the upper floors pretty soon after the gunfire, according to his testimony.  According to Mooney, he and officer Baker should have run into each other or been there at the same time, if my review of the timeline testimony is correct.   Mooney says he heard shots, ran up the grassy knoll to the railroad tracks, and wasn't there but "a few seconds"

2. Then, Mooney spends another "few seconds" getting to the TSBD, where he quickly goes in the loading dock entrance, first to an elevator, then to the stairs.

3. Even though Deputy Mooney has no idea why he should come to arrive at a monumental place in US history (the 6th Floor), Mooney knows he should be searching.  Searching for what, exactly?   Anyway, it seems like a quick search:

4. After for some reason briefly going to the 7th floor, Mooney for reasons he can't explain returns to the 6th floor and explains his next actions this way:

5. voilà! .. Mooney discovers spent shell casings that will implicate Oswald's mail order rifle.   Naturally, he wants to tell his boss right away:

6. Mooney says the time is now shortly before 1, or perhaps 1pm.

So, what's a generous estimate for Mooney to arrive at step 5 ...from the time he hears shots until the time he calls down to Fritz and Decker?

Jason's estimate:  

1. 870 foot sprint by 40 y.o. police officer   (the average man jogs at about ~8 mph or ~11 feet per second) = 80 Seconds
2. plus "a few seconds" in both the railroad track area and to get to the TSBD = 60 seconds
3. plus ordering a civilian to guard the entrance and get his bearings at TSBD = 2 minutes
4. plus briefly trying the elevator = 3 minutes
5. plus going by stairs directly to the 6th floor = 1 minute
6. plus briefly going up to the 7th floor = 3 minutes
7. plus going back down to the 6th floor and making a beeline to the sniper's nest and waiting shell casings = 3 minutes

I say this means Mooney testifies to discovering the shells and seeing Fritz and Decker on the pavement below at somewhere around 12:45.  But Fritz pinpoints 12:45 as the moment he was at Parkland getting orders from Curry to go to Dealey Plaza.   Fritz says he arrives at TSBD at 12:58, the building is not sealed, and the shooter is believed inside - who Fritz bravely begins searching for with his shotgun in a bottom-to-top search format.   Shortly after this, "someone" told him the shell casings were found.

It seems to me Mooney has about 15 minutes of missing time when it looks like he is just wandering around in the TSBD, insofar as it takes him until 1 (he says)*  to do what should only take about 15 minutes.   Then, of course, there is the RADIO LOG which broadcasts found shells at about 1:11.

There is about a 15-20 minute discrepancy between Fritz & Mooney, it seems to me.  What's the explanation?

1.  To be very generous to Luke Mooney (so that only the grossest flaws stand out), I will stipulate that his Southern phrase, "a few seconds," is a figure of speech meaning, "a little while."   In other words, "I don't really want to talk about timing."

* As for Luke Mooney running to the rail tracks (870 feet as you measured it) in "a few seconds", that is exactly what all the other Plaza witness Deputies testified, so I have no problem with it.  It was almost a race to see who would get there first.

* Now, 870 feet is about 300 yards.   The fastest 100 yard dash is 10 seconds.  So, even if these boys were super fast in their run, it would take about 30 seconds to run that far. 

* In any case, less than one minute.  That's what Deputy Buddy Walthers said; less than one minute.  I'll go with that.

* Yet, what was the starting signal?  Was it when "the shots rang out?"  Or was it when Sheriff Decker gave the order over Dallas Police Radio?  The Deputies disagree here.

* So, if "a few seconds" really means something like "one minute," then we can be more generous to Luke Mooney.  Let's see if this stands.

2. Mooney spends "a few seconds."   If he really took "one minute", then he possible walked into the TSBD 2 minutes after JFK was shot. 

* In this case, he would have missed DPD motorcyle cop Marrion Baker, who timed his encounter with Lee Harvey Oswald to be about 90 seconds after the JFK shots.

* Let's let this slide.

3. In my reading, Jason, your strongest question is why Deputy Mooney gets this impulse -- only two minutes after the JFK shooting -- to go to the TSBD 6th floor -- to be all by himself. 

* This is the uncanny part.  He offers no explanation of any kind.  The best explanation I can see is that he and his comrades planned that he would plant the rifle and the shells.

* Now -- he says he was all by himself.  Yet he also says that two Deputies came down the stairs as he was going up the stairs.  Down?  What did they do there? 

* I ask because IMHO, the task of the DPD appears to have been: (1) to shoot JFK; and (2) to shoot Lee Harvey Oswald.  

* Then, the task of the Deputies appears to have been: (3) to obtain Oswald's rifle in the early morning; (4) to plant the rifle and the spent shells on the TSBD 6th floor after the JFK shooting.

* If so, then Luke Mooney was one of the core JFK/LHO plotters, along with Bill Decker and Buddy Walthers.

4.  Luke Mooney's WC testimony wanders around, and describes Luke himself wandering around -- because what else could he say?  He was, moving as fast as he could, to perform an illegal act.  He could never account for that time honestly, or with any ready alibi.  So we get this "wandering" story.

5.  Luke Mooney tells us he saw Fritz and Decker on the street below.

* Dallas Police Radio Logs said Fritz and Decker arrived at 12:58 PM.  Here is an apparent confirmation.

6.  Luke Mooney's timeline for finding the spent shells (1pm) and shouting down this information to Fritz and Decker below, might be correct -- given this:

* Will Fritz says that he, Sims and Boyd get out their shotguns and enter the TSBD, on the impression that the shooter is still inside.

* Did Luke Mooney shout loud enough?  Perhaps Fritz and Decker never heard him!

* Because, otherwise, Fritz, Sims and Boyd had no reason to "start searching at the first floor, and move up one floor at a time," as he said.

* So -- let's presume that Luke Mooney found the shells around 1pm, shouted down to Fritz and Decker on the street below, as they were getting out of their car, yet nobody heard what Mooney shouted.

* That way, Fritz' behavior makes sense.  On their way upstairs, Fritz hears from some DPD cop or Deputy that Luke Mooney found spent shells, so he, Boyd and Sims go right up to the 6th floor.

* Then, after Will Fritz arrives at the scene and observes the shells with his own eyes, he then orders some DPD cop or Deputy to call the Dallas Police Radio, and give them the status -- the shells were found.   This might correspond to 1:11 PM.   (Who, exactly, told DPD Radio that the shells were found?)

TENTATIVE CONCLUSION:  Given all this, I have one issue -- Luke Mooney arrives at the TSBD around 2 minutes after the JFK shooting, and then must account for nearly a half-hour before he finds the rifle shells.

* Luke Mooney fails to account for all this time.  I cannot let 30 minutes slide. 

* We are on the same page, so far, Jason.  I think that Luke Mooney is a major suspect now -- and clearly he's not working alone. 

* My next question would be to clarify whether Mooney fooled Captain Fritz, or whether Captain Fritz was anticipating Luke Mooney's report.

All best,
--Paul

3 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Paul,

The police testimony makes it imminently clear that for the Lone Nut explanation to succeed, Oswald could never see the inside of a courtroom.  He could never face trial because the opportunity to cross-examine the police witnesses would end in disaster and accusations of conspiracy against the police.  He must not talk to a lawyer because even a brief conversation with someone apart from the Dallas law enforcement hierarchy could reveal enough information to prove the police are liars - and conspirators.   For a patsy to work in crime this big, the patsy must be silenced asap...

Jason,

This matches my thinking exactly.   We have enough evidence of real, conspiratorial power among Dallas Officials to explain not only the death of JFK, but also the death of Lee Harvey Oswald.

What amazes me is that it has taken CTers more than a half-century to seriously contemplate this. 

The chronic flaw of the CIA-did-it CTers is not merely ignorance -- in the words of Kurt Cobain, it's A DENIAL, A DENIAL, A DENIAL, A DENIAL!

All best,
--Paul

On 4/11/2018 at 2:14 PM, Jason Ward said:

Paul,

... (* in your post you say Mooney finds shells at 1:12...but does he say this?  It reads to me he's saying he found shells at 1 or a little before)...

Jason,

You're correct here.   I had conflated the Dallas Police Radio Log with Mooney's testimony.

For now, I will simply admit my error.

For now I'll return to the meat of your interesting post on Luke Mooney.

All best,
--Paul

P.S.  On 7/19/2019 I corrected my post that Jason corrected, because of the high importance of this timing. 

On 4/10/2018 at 4:26 PM, Jason Ward said:

TIME STUDY 7 - DPD Capt Will Fritz

Can we extrapolate these parts of his testimony to a timeline?

<snip> 

Although there are time problems all over the place in Fritz's testimony, to me there are three main concerns around time: 1. Why does Fritz hide the meeting(s) with Decker in Dealey Plaza mentioned by other witnesses, and 2. Why is Oswald awake in custody for 10+ hours after the assassination even though Frtiz can provide only a few basic demographic pieces of information that Oswald says while in custody?   3. Why is there this inconsistency around the time of Oswald's search?

If the Warren Commission and Fritz are masterful conspirators controlling all aspects of the crime and coverup; this testimony is an utter disaster.  There are holes and clues everywhere.

Jason,

DPD Captain Will Fritz supplies his own timeline, and since he was among the last to see Lee Harvey Oswald alive -- and since he kept Oswald in virtual seclusion until the murder of Oswald, I'd like to linger on his WC testimony of Captain Will Fritz.

So, I propose this post to be the first of multiple.

First, it seems that Will Fritz should pay strict attention to the Dallas Police Radio Log, but he diverges in a few key points -- and I want to compare that divergence with the divergences we see in Deputy Luke Mooney's testimony.

Luke Mooney reported to Bill Decker, not to Will Fritz, so that could explain the lack of coordination in their stories.  Here is my point:

1.0  Will Fritz tells the WC that at 12:58 PM he and his two assistants, Sims and Boyd, arrive at TSBD.  They believe the shooter is still inside, and so they pull out their shotguns and enter the building.  This is a Hollywood style entrance scene, like capturing Bonnie and Clyde.

*  Fritz says they start at the first floor, searching, and proceed floor by floor, upwards towards the 6th floor.

*  "It wasn't very long until someone" told Fritz that rifle shells were found on the 6th floor.  

OK, that was Fritz' account.  Now let's look at Luke Mooney's timeline.

2.0.  Luke Mooney tells the WC that right around 1 PM he was alone on the 6th floor, when he found some empty rifle shells in the SE corner.

*  So, Mooney stuck his head out the window and hollered down to the street below that he had found these shells, and to send up the "crime lab" photography and fingerprint squad.

*  Mooney reported that as he stuck his head out of the 6th floor window, he saw Captain Fritz and Sheriff Decker, chatting on the sidewalk below.  (That was exactly 12:58 PM, insisted Captain Fritz.)

There is, of course, more, but I want to focus for a moment upon this timeline difference.  It casts a shadow on the heroic self-portrait of Captain Fritz.

We are justified in asking some questions at this point.  Why does Fritz paint such a heroic portrait of himself?  If Luke Mooney is correct, then Fritz is covering up his personal discussion with Sheriff Decker!

If so, then we should see further evidence of this -- and we do.  The question that stuck out for you, Jason, was why Fritz failed to mention his meeting with Sheriff Decker over at the County Jail -- which both Boyd and Sims remembered.
 
Furthermore, this would explain why Fritz didn't want to be held to a 1:22 timing of finding the rifle as testified by Deputy Eugene Boone.  In my CT, Fritz must muddy his timeline, otherwise, the real sequence of events would become clear -- and his continual discourse with Sheriff Decker would see the light of day.
 
This is just a start.

All best,
--Paul

1 hour ago, Jason Ward said:

TIME STUDY 6 - DPD Inspector Herbert Sawyer

Can we extrapolate these parts of his testimony to a timeline?

WC Attorney Belin makes Sawyer pin down times matched to the radio log even though other witnesses get away without nailing down times...why?

Jason,

I think that WC attorney Belin pressed Inspector Sawyer on the Timeline of the TSBD lockdown for two reasons: (1) it didn't match the Dallas radio log; and (2) it didn't match the Warren Commission official version.

Experts from Washington DC would tell the Warren Commission that the main flaw of the Dallas Police in the circus of the JFK Assassination saga was that they failed to lock down the TSBD before the sniper could escape.  That was UNPROFESSIONAL they agreed.  

The PROFESSIONAL blame for the circus of 11/22/1963 was therefore set on the table of DPD Inspector Herbert Sawyer.  Naturally, he tried to wiggle out of it, but the WC could not let that stand, otherwise, all these other WC witnesses -- experts from Washington DC -- would be made out to be idiots.

According to the official timeline of the DPD Radio Log, the TSBD could not have been locked down earlier than 12:43.   The accounts we have from various officers conflict with this timing -- and it surely it important.  It is one of the key aspects of WC testimony about the TSBD timeline that involves "multiple contradictions." 

I feel fairly comfortable ascribing all of these witness discrepancies to the BLAME and SHAME coming out of Washington DC, regarding the sloppy handling of the TSBD seal-off.   The DPD cops didn't want to look bad, and the cops didn't want their bosses to look bad, so they circled the wagons.  But they never got their "Master Story" straight.  They couldn't, because the Dallas Police Radio Log was already history.

All best,
--Paul

12 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

Can you take a look at the memo below?   I think the claim that Marina is a hardcore communist is absurd, along with the other hints of Oswald's apparent involvement in a communist conspiracy to kill Kennedy.  Doesn't this indicate that the Reds-did-it CT was sponsored by the Secret Service in Dallas, even days after the assassination?

 

 

Hi Jason,

Here is Dallas Secret Service SAC William H. Patterson, who was not called as a WC witness.   He was not involved with the Dealey Plaza or TSBD episodes -- he was guarding AF1 as his main duty on 11/22/1963.

Yet I'm amazed at the similarity of his ideology here when compared with the ideology that we read in Dallas FBI agent James Hosty's book, Assignment Oswald (1996), especially as regards Marina Oswald.  James Hosty repeats throughout his book that even as late as 1996 he remained convinced that Marina Oswald was a KGB agent, and that she and Lee Harvey Oswald had been ordered by the USSR to kill JFK.

This fear of everything Russian was a component of the Dallas city spirit -- the Zeitgeist of Dallas 1963.   It was reflected most plainly in the speeches of General Edwin Walker, the only US General to resign in the 20th century -- who resigned on the belief that he was the target of a Communist Plot through the US Army newspaper, The Overseas Weekly. and one of its Russian-born owners, Eugene Bernald.

Anyway -- what's interesting to me about William H. Patterson is that he drove WC attorney Burt Griffin to the home of ATF agent Frank Ellsworth in April, 1964, to talk about the Dallas Minutemen, the Dallas John Birch Society, and John Thomas Masen.  Secret Service Chief Rowley requested that Patterson supply a memo of that meeting.  Here's my evidence:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=61499#relPageId=70

My problem today is that I can't find Patterson's memo to Chief Rowley about that meeting.   Perhaps you've seen it?

All best,
--Paul

8 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

...Just a little tidbit I found, Paul, that shows the FBI in part agrees with you.... there were at least a few working on presidential security who were aware that local law enforcement could not be entirely trusted, due to ties with the extreme Right:

GREAT FIND, JASON!       

--Paul

4 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

Although I am not yet prepared to publicly endorse all the details of your CT, I feel you are almost alone in NOT adopting speculative assassination orthodoxy as a given fact.  IMO both the direct and circumstantial evidence points to the extreme Right Wing as the assassination sponsors more so than any other possible protagonist like the mafia, anti-Castro Cubans, or CIA. 

• In particular, Milteer’s hyper-accurate prediction of the assassination details is persuasive.   If you can bear with me, as we go along, I will piecemeal together small components of a CT as I feel comfortable putting them in writing - and as the studied evidence justifies.

I’ve already agreed with Jim Garrison and you that the Dallas police officers are the operations staff in the nuts and bolts of killing the president in Dallas.   The police testimony makes it clear all assassination action items are in their hands.   Also in this thread I’ve hypothesized that whoever is sheep-dipping Oswald into a Castro disciple is likely the author of the assassination.

Below is a further new component of what one day may be a CT that agrees with yours (or may vary).

Jason Ward's LIMITED Quickly Solved - file cabinet CT

1. The DPD, Dallas County Sheriffs, members of the Radical Right like General Walker, and allies in the press & law enforcement fully intend that the assassination will be seen as a communist conspiracy by the afternoon of the crime.  This explains why Walker jumps the gun and immediately reveals to the world that Oswald attacked him back in April, even though no one knows this including the police.  Tippit was meant to kill Oswald.  Oswald in jail is an awkward unplanned hot potato.  All the Oswald-as-commie sheepdipping evidence is meant to be released and published ASAP, starting tonight, 22 NOV 63.  A fair amount gets out right away.  Walker and Surrey publish The Assassination Story in an attempt to show the "unedited" local press clippings to the world.

2. This plan to wrap up the assassination investigation in under 6 hours explains why Sheriff's Deputy Buddy Walthers "finds" so many file cabinets of commie stuff at the Paine house.  But - the file cabinets  by the time of his WC testimony disappear into thin air - WHY?  I expect that the file cabinets are meant to be like all the other convenient pre-positioned evidence – the bus transfer, the backyard photos, the mail order rifle records, the Hidell identity cards, and so forth.  The file cabinets were a key component of the conspirator’s program to get Americans hyped for a war against Castro.   In particular, this limited CT module says that the file cabinets would have been found to contain:

1. A letter from Castro or his agents offering $5000 to Oswald for killing Kennedy, payable at the Mexico City Cuban embassy, as supported by the curious Gilberto Alvarado incident in Mexico City
2. Post-assassination escape plans - plans that may have involved a Ferrie-piloted aircraft spotted somewhere incriminating like Red Bird Airport and later tracked escaping to Mexico or Cuba that day (Ferrie was of course put on hold when Oswald survived the day)
3. Evidence of Oswald's assassin’s training in Minsk
4. Evidence of U2 secrets and other data passed to the Soviets
5. Evidence that Marina is a KGB-trained spy
6. Money, or evidence of money, such as Western Union receipts, check stubs, a secret bank account, etc. traced to Castro or Moscow
7. All kinds of stuff traceable to Oswald's PO Box - a PO Box easily manipulated by USPS man Holmes
8. Incriminating evidence against a bountiful range of domestic political enemies including especially MLK and the Civil Rights movement, but anyone inconvenient to the Right might be tagged as a Castro-Oswald associate
9. Other conspirators on the loose and evidence of other shooters, including a shooter using a 7.65 Mauser, a gun numerous police happily talk about in their testimony - IMO they are still leaving open the possibility that a Masuer will show up in evidence somwehere

When Oswald turned up alive, the file cabinets had to go in limbo.  Too easy for Oswald to contradict. The evidence and assassination was sloppy, but the plotters anticipated something close to mass-hysteria and a frenzy to invade Cuba.   So they planned on not having to prove anything at anytime because of the Fog of War they created.

....  Meanwhile, you say Hoover and Johnson had clamped down the assassination explanation and demanded it become a Lone Nut narrative.  Perhaps the plotters even anticipated a risk like this and always knew they had to get everything done fast, including getting all Oswald's commie/Castro conspiracy plan out in the open?   The  carefully constructed, but never implemented file cabinet evidence I envision goes a long way to explaining why FBI man Hosty, General Walker, Gerald Smith, James Hargis, Carlos Bringuier and many others in the JBS continue for years to insist on a communist conspiracy involving Oswald.  They know the manufactured file cabinet evidence is out there somewhere – originally intended to be “found” in Oswald’s file cabinets.  Maybe they were hopping it would still turn up years later?

1. Milteer explains Oswald's role as assassination patsy:

2. November 9th assertion that JFK will soon die from a shooter in an office building:

3. Unemployed itinerant right wing crusader J A Milteer
SOURCES 

1 & 3 - FBI JFK Headquarters assassination file, section 79, no. 62-109060

2 - HSCA press release September 25, 1978 narrated by G Robert Blakey

Jason,

Thanks for noticing that I don't push my CT as an accomplished fact.  After a quarter century of reading – I'm still gathering fresh evidence from places that other writers have overlooked.

Your current excursion into a tentative CT (like Jeff Caufield) begins with Joseph Milteer – a key player in the Radical Right wing of the South, and clearly plugged into the JFK plot, not only in the personnel (as Jeff Caufield demonstrates with recent FOIA FBI releases), but also in his knowledge of the details that would happen – days in advance.

I very much enjoyed reading your first original articulation of a JFK CT, Jason, and I can accept all of it.   The Dallas police are the operations staff of the JFK murder in Dallas.  All assassination action items are in their hands, including shooting Oswald.  Well put.

Jim Garrison was right that the JFK killers had a hand in sheep-dipping Oswald in New Orleans and Mexico City.  By linking Guy Banister with General Walker, our mentor Jeff Caufield led the field.

I enjoyed your extension of your CT, Jason, to include Buddy Walther’s ID of “six or seven metal filing cabinets full of the names of Castro supporters” which would have been filled with forgeries if the Reds-did-it CT had gone forward as planned.   That’s a creative CT.  The fact that the Reds-did-it CT was suddenly replaced by the Lone Nut CT, made Deputy Walthers’ “six or seven metal filing cabinets” disappear without anybody caring.

I also like your CT extension that the Reds-did-it CT had so much momentum that some of it went forward in the first day and night of the JFK killing – including newspaper reports of Oswald at the South Pole and one in Germany (i.e. Walker’s story).

We agree with Caufield that Tippit had intended to kill Oswald, but failed to do so.

We agree that “Oswald in jail is an awkward, unplanned hot potato.”  Now Curry and Fritz must decide what to do.  The DPD failed to kill Oswald in the streets – now they must kill Oswald inside the Dallas HQ.  Dallas cops put lots of pressure on Jack Ruby to “be a hero”, to "kill a cop killer", to "be a pal -- you’ll get off so easy!   A slap on the wrist!  Maybe a parade!”   Reluctant Jack eventually did it on his second try.

I enjoyed reading your original, speculative  itemizing of the possible contents of Buddy Walther’s “six or seven metal filing cabinets full of the names of Castro Supporters,  Much material was ready to go – from Mexico City itself, or from the USSR, framing LHO and everybody at Ruth Paine’s house.  Very original Jason, and creative.  It also might turn out to be true.

Again, Jason, we seem to agree that the Reds-did-it CT did not depend on a Lone Nut --  only that one had to be killed quickly.  Other patsies were also on file.  Loran Hall and Gerry Patrick Hemming were on line, since the FBI picked up Hemming’s rifle in Dallas that day, from Loran Hall, with the fingerprints of a gun dealer from California all over it.

I sort of doubt that the JFK plotters anticipated a Lone Nut CT.  I think they planned for their Reds-did-it CT to work – and they were stunned when Henry Wade ordered them to convert to the Lone Nut CT on the night of 11/22/1963, after Henry Wade got the orders from Waggoner Carr.

Hosty, Walker, Smith, Hargis, Bringuier, Oliver, Welch and others in the JBS continued for years with the Reds-did-it CT.   Beautiful summary Jason.  I enjoyed all of it.  You may be 100% correct.  Let’s keep digging and see what else we come up with.

All best,
--Paul

39 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

 

Paul, does "communist plot" equate to a Jewish plot?

 

 

>The Fourth Decade, Volume 4, No. 2, January 1997

Jason,

Although Joseph Milteer was a rabid Anti-Semite from Georgia, and plainly believed in vengeful Jesus version of Radical Right dogma, Milteer was one of the few in Dallas who wrote that the Anti-Semite aspect was a key component of the JFK Assassination CT.

According to Jeff Caufield (2015), Joseph Milteer exulted because the "Welcome, Mr. Kennedy, to Dallas" black-bordered ad was signed by Bernard Weissman (a Jewish writer) and also, Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby (a Jewish mobster).    So, in the warped mind of Joseph Milteer, nobody would ever suspect the Radical Right, because these two Jewish Americans were like bookends around the start and the finish of the JFK Assassination.   

Therefore, mumbled Milteer, Americans would all agree that the JFK murder was a Jewish plot.  Yet this turned out to be one of the least popular CTs in America.  Its literature is a puny fraction, compared with the CIA-did-it CT.

All best,
--Paul

On 4/8/2018 at 8:35 PM, Jason Ward said:

Paul, if you are correct, or even if there is any kind of conspiracy involving the local constabulary, Deputy Mooney stands out as a prime suspect.   His testimony is close to ridiculous. 

Basically, we are to believe he serves as a key link in the chain of a convincing case against lone nut Oswald, but we are to believe he does all this through fortuitous random decisions he makes at the TSBD.  Mooney is wandering around aimlessly and chooses to begin his searching on the 6th floor - for no particular reason.  Good cop instincts, I guess?   Furthermore, he is continuing his arbitrary approach to police work when he inexplicably beelines for the southeastern corner of the 6th floor.  He is the first to discover the place where Kennedy's killer stood.  For good measure, he says he's entirely alone.  

Problematically, his timing is off and his memories of his boss match no other testimony.   

Mooney is an incredibly bad witness who IMO would crash quickly under cross examination, which would bust open the whole conspiracy if you are correct.  I can see someone like Mooney blindly following a cult idol like Decker - but it's hard to believe Decker's going to count on a dim bulb like Mooney to keep the story straight under questioning.  It's hard to imagine the CIA, the mafia, or any other hypothetical conspirator relying on Mooney to not spill the beans.  Hoping Mooney can keep  it together is just a huge risk, IMO, which indicates this is no air-tight conspiracy with all bases covered.  If you are right, this is big men putting their lives in the hands of a flunky.  A loyal flunky, true, but still an unconvincing flunky who could ruin it all.  It seems to me.   

Do you see my point?  Is it reasonable to count on Mooney's ability to hold up under pressure?

Jason

Jason,

Deputy Luke Mooney, in my reading, is a prime JFK plotter inside the Dallas Sheriff's Department.

He "accidentally" decides to begin searching the 6th floor of the TSBD, 25 minutes after TSBD eye-witnesses pointed to the TSBD windows where they saw a man (or men) wandering around, and three saw a rifle, and two saw it pointing out. 

Deputy Mooney claims he was alone on the 6th floor during his search, and quickly found three spent bullet shells.  His confession that he was alone on the 6th floor -- for several minutes -- assures me that Luke Mooney hid the rifle and positioned the shells.  That was his task.   He was alone to make it look realistic for the press -- there would be film.  Mooney was front and center.

Mooney cannot remember the time -- I don't care, because he announces loudly out the TSBD window, that he found the three spent shells -- and demands the DPD Photographers (i.e. the crime lab).   Boone claims that Fritz and Decker were down on the sidewalk -- so we have the approximate time. 

Soon, other Dallas officers join Deputy Mooney and they also see three bullets in a neat row near the window.   Deputy Roger Craig was one.   Yet when three shells are photographed, they aren't in a neat row.   

You say that it's hard to imagine Sheriff Decker relying on a dim bulb like Mooney -- and yes, Mooney was a muscle-head -- but he was loyal, and though dim, he would put his life on the line for Sheriff Decker.  Also, the WC gave assurances (IMHO) that they would never cross-examine any Dallas Police or Deputies.

What guarantees the secrecy of the Dallas plot isn't the JFK plotters themselves -- but rather Washington DC, which could never allow the USSR to have this propaganda victory about US fragmentation.   It was a matter of National Security in 1963.

Talk about Kismet.  After the deals were made by US Assistant Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach and Texas Attorney General Waggoner Carr in late November, 1963, and the Lone Nut CT was now official dogma of the JFK Assassination -- there was nothing that was going to happen to shake the WC commitment to the Lone Nut CT.   Never.   The JFK plotters lucked out.  They were busted by 3pm Dallas time.  But they would never be brought to justice because of the USSR and the Cold War.

Finally, if Deputy Luke Mooney ever slipped up too bad, the WC attorneys would simply take all testimony "off the record" temporarily, and set Luke Mooney straight, and then continue again.   I feel confident that the WC attorneys did this numerous times in 1964.

All best,
--Paul

21 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

TIME STUDY 5 - Dallas County Constable Seymour Weitzman

Can we extrapolate these parts of his testimony to a timeline?

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Weitzman does not nail down any time whatsoever, and he he even wants to waffle on when the rifle was found, even though WC attorney Ball graciously provides the time 1:22pm.    Is there any corroborating Secret Service testimony of receiving evidence in the form of JFK's skull fragment from Weitzman?

Hi Jason,

Weitzman is extremely interesting on many counts.    He was in the USAAF in WW2, and he graduated college with an engineering degree.  He was intelligent -- and I expect a lot from him.

Sadly, he is too often remembered as "the one who called Oswald's rifle a Mauser."   Though Fritz was often blamed for this, even by Dallas cops, it was Weitzman who admitted it was his error -- even though he was very familiar with rifles.   What's sad about this is that this is the most irrelevant and useless part of his whole testimony.     

I find three vital aspects in Weitzman's WC testimony:

1.  Weitzman testified that he found a piece of JFK's skull at Dealey Plaza.   This is vital.  What happened to it?   There may be up to ten  documented JFK skull fragments (e.g. the "Harper Fragment" found by young Dallas resident Billy Harper on 11/23/1963, which he quickly gave to his uncle, a medical doctor).   I believe Deputy Weitzman -- yet I'm still seeking details about the "Weitzman fragment."   

2.  Weitzman testified that he handed this skull fragment over to a Secret Service man at Dealey Plaza.   He is the third WC witness that reported a Secret Service agent at Dealey Plaza -- although the Washington DC Secret Service testified that there weren't any Secret Service agents at Dealey Plaza.    What's going on?   In my reading, the Washington DC boys are only speaking about Washington DC Secret Service agents -- not about Dallas Secret Service agents, like Forrest Sorrels, who admitted he was there.   Forrest Sorrels was also one of the "interviewers" of Lee Harvey Oswald while he was in custody and Dallas Police HQ.   In my reading, multiple agents of the Dallas Secret Service -- as well as the Dallas FBI -- were part of the Dallas plot to kill JFK in Dallas.   I take it as a clue that Weitzman's WC testimony about Secret Service agents in Dealey Plaza was so casual.

3.  Weitzman was the one who "found" Oswald's rifle first.  He announced it to his search partner, Deputy Eugene Boone, who yelled it out loud for everybody to hear -- and Boone usually gets full credit for "finding" the rifle.  Anyway, Weitzman tells how it happened.  He searched the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th floors, and when he got to the 6th, Deputy Boone told him that he was certain the weapon was on the 6th floor, and they started searching together, where Boone indicated.   Within minutes, Weitzman found the rifle, and quietly stated the fact to Boone, who yelled out the claim. 

In my reading -- I doubt that Deputy Weitzman was part of the JFK plot, because of his WC testimony about JFK's skull and the Secret Service in Dealey Plaza -- which are extraneous to any "Master Story" that I perceive.  

If (and only if) I'm correct, then Weitzman was used as a foil to "discover" the planted Oswald rifle.  The plotters needed somebody outside the JFK plot to find the rifle -- giving the story some credibility.   Weitzman was guided by Deputy Boone (inside the JFK plot) to the general area where the Dallas Deputies "hid" the rifle.   It was not hidden very well.   A photograph of the rifle as it lay shows that it was hidden very poorly -- and in my opinion it was "hidden" in such a way to be easily "found."

All best,
--Paul

3 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

TIME STUDY 4 - Dallas County Sheriff's Deputy Buddy Walthers

Can we extrapolate these parts of his testimony to a timeline?

<snip>

This testimony is almost completely without any reference to time of day.   Apart from recognizing Walther has by testimony put himself in critical locations without pinning down the time he was there, I guess we might be able to compare his testimony with the radio timeline and the testimony of others to sketch a time estimate of his activities?

Hi Jason,

I'm glad you brought Buddy Walthers to the foreground.  In my opinion, he is intensely loyal to Dallas Sheriff Bill Decker, and wanted recognition as the leader under Decker.

Walthers claimed that he led the Deputies to the picket fence of the Grassy Knoll, following the order given by the Sheriff.   Other Deputies will dispute who was first, but I'll let that slide as mere ego.

There behind the picket fence, in the railroad yard and parking lot, Walthers saw nobody but Dallas Policemen -- just like dozens of civilian spectators hoping for a look at the gunman.  Well -- you surely can't suspect the Dallas Police, can you?  Nothing to see here.  So, Buddy went looking for clues within the infield of Dealey Plaza.  

Deputy Roger Craig held Buddy Walthers in highest esteem at one point, and wanted to give Buddy all the credit for everything -- just as Buddy wanted all the credit.

But Roger Craig could not get with the changing script.  Scrapping the original Reds-did-it CT from the Radical Right plotters, the Washington DC "Master Story" of the Lone Gunman became the new CT.  Yet Roger Craig thought he was doing the right thing by claiming that he personally witnessed Buddy Walthers finding and collecting spent shells within the infield of Dealey Plaza.  Buddy, of course, denied this to the WC.  

Deputy Roger Craig didn't know that he was behind the times, and that is another reason why Craig testified to the WC that Lee Harvey Oswald had accomplices, one of whom drove Oswald away from the TSBD in a "Green Rambler."

Buddy Walthers joins Captain Fritz in claiming that Deputy Craig was making up stuff.   Poor Deputy Craig -- he just couldn't keep up.   

Anyway -- Buddy Walthers goes down in US history as the Deputy who "discovered" James Tague, the man with a cheek wound from a stray bullet at the triple overpass. 

Buddy Walthers then claims that he first recognized that the shots had to come from the TSBD, and that when he announced this to Officer Alan Sweatt, all Dallas officers shifted from a disorderly mess into an orderly march to the TSBD.  Walthers also claims responsiblity for organizing the sending of TSBD eye-witnesses to the County Jail.  Yet Inspector Sawyer will also claim responsibility for these two accomplishments.   (Again, I will let this slide as mere ego.)

What neither admits is this -- any eye-witnesses with a credible story was planned to be HELD INDEFINITELY until the Oswald-framing procedure could be completed.  Thus Amos Euins, thus Howard Brennan and others. 

In my CT, Buddy Walthers had already planned the following in conjunction with Dallas FBI agent James Hosty:

(1) Listening intently for news that Oswald was killed in the street by Tippit; 

(2) Helping other Dallas Deputies frame the 6th floor with spent shells and Oswald's rifle.

(3) Claiming to the press that the Communists killed JFK.

(4) Arresting Michael and Ruth Paine at Irving, Texas, as well as Marina Oswald, as Communist Conspirators along with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Instead, the news came out that Oswald killed Tippit.  So, Buddy Walthers rushed to Oak Cliff to help fix it. 

Although Lee Harvey Oswald was trapped inside the Texas Theater, he could not be killed in the presence of so many witnesses in the Theater, including many innocent Dallas Police.

Unfortunately, Lee Harvey Oswald had to be taken alive to the Dallas DPD Headquarters, as Curry and Fritz came up with another plan to eliminate Oswald.

Once Lee Harvey Oswald was securely held in seclusion by Captain Fritz and James Hosty (and their allies) -- Buddy Walthers drove to Ruth Paine's house to get Communist dirt on the Paines.

Buddy Walthers famously reports finding "Six or seven metal filing cabinets full of the names of supporters of Fidel Castro" there in Ruth Paine's garage.  Walthers said he put these "filing cabinets" in the trunk of his car.  The hard evidence that these were never seen by anybody else, never photographed, never itemized in any property list -- continues to evade many CTers. 

In my CT, this false claim is material evidence that Walthers and his accomplices had already prepared a "Communist Plot" CT long before 11/22/1963.  The illegal phone tapping of Ruth Paine's telephone on 11/22/1963 is further evidence of this same plot.

Though Buddy Walthers provides no TIMING of his behavior, it is generally in agreement with the Dallas Police Radio Log.

Buddy Walthers provides a snapshot of the JFK plotters among the Dallas Police and Deputies.  They tend to be (1) at the Grassy Knoll; (2) at the TSBD; (3) at Oak Cliff where Tippit was killed; (4) at the Texas Theater where Oswald was arrested; and (5) at DPD Headquarters where Oswald was held in virtual seclusion -- with no written record of his words.

I realize that all this is my own interpretation and CT -- but in terms of HIERARCHY, I emphasize that Walthers reports strictly to Bill Decker, and does anything Decker says to do.   Aside from that, Walthers sticks fairly closer to the Dallas Police Radio Log TIMING.

In my CT, Walthers slips up most dramatically with his charge of Communism against Michael and Ruth Paine -- and Marina Oswald -- which follows the politics and behavior of Dallas FBI agent James Hosty, and his bridge partner, Robert Alan Surrey -- and his JBS mentor, Ex-General Edwin Walker.

All best,
--Paul

7 hours ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

Thanks Paul, but doesn't your request run counter to the thread topic as stated? Why not begin a separate topic? You appear to have a name for it: "Dallas GROUND-CREW". So how does that connect to Walker and Oswald which the present thread title says that it is?

Mervyn,

The Dallas Ground-Crew reported up to General Walker.   This will be demonstrated at length.   It will be shown in material WC evidence by many witnesses, including ATF agent Frank Ellsworth and Jack Ruby himself -- as well as others.   

General Walker led the Dallas Minutemen, and the Dallas Minutemen had members in the Dallas Police Departments, as well as in the Dallas Sheriff's office (and also in the Dallas FBI and the Dallas Secret Service).

This was a DALLAS plot -- and these formed the members of the JFK Assassination Ground-Crew.

If you want to start another thread, Mervyn, please feel free.   This thread's purpose has been clear from the beginning and remains crystal clear.

Sincerely,
--Paul Trejo

14 hours ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

Why is it that because other information about Walker and about Mclendon and Murchison and the hotbed of activity in Houston, that a hitherto unexamined and ignored strand is not being examined, even though it relates to a chain involving Walker and Ruby and McLendon and Murchison and several Mafia connections that also connect to the other chain involving Oswald and Ruby?

Just because no one has previously followed this strand which helps to explain reasons why RFK had dragged JFK into a cauldron of intrigue that flowed from the Bay of Pigs via the ransom of Manuel Artime Buesa to JFK's loudmouth Miami proclamation about freeing Cuba, does not mean that it does not hold the answers to a lot of hitherto unanswered questions.

Nor does it mean that because all of the millions of rabid words uttered so far about the JFK assassination have either ignored or been totally unaware of this strand that it is not true.

In fact, more than most of the useless speculation that has been uttered and printed to date, this hitherto ignored strand is well documented.

Even the words of Walker uttered in this specific context within his one and a half pages of accusatory and very specific allegations that draw a line from his demise to the clandestine world of the highly fractured and internally competitive world of CIA associates has been dismissed out of hand.

There is an elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge.

Why?

Why the constant and misleading use of the term "right-wing" when the people involved are all Democrats and members of the same political party that gave the USA a reborn Klu Klux Klan.

There is a Republican in their midst named McCarthy, but his use had come and gone. If ever there was a proto-Oswald 'patsy', it was the US Senator from Wisconsin, and he was born and bred politically by this same group who lived in Dallas and worked out of Houston, Texas.

Mervyn

Hi Mervyn,

It's your claim that Houston was involved in the JFK murder, and that there exists a "chain involving Walker and Ruby and McLendon and Murchison and several Mafia connections" that later involve Oswald and Ruby.

You claim this as though it should already be known -- but it seems to be your own CT.

Obviously, if you want to claim this, it's your right -- but why use this thread which has a specific focus on DALLAS?

Instead, why not create your own thread, and see who joins you in the search for a chain of material evidence about HOUSTON?

This thread is about DALLAS -- and especially its most prominent Radical Right leader, Ex-General Edwin Walker and his activities in DALLAS.

Sincerely,
--Paul Trejo

22 hours ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

Why is it that because other information about Walker and about Mclendon and Murchison and the hotbed of activity in Houston, that a hitherto unexamined and ignored strand is not being examined, even though it relates to a chain involving Walker and Ruby and McLendon and Murchison and several Mafia connections that also connect to the other chain involving Oswald and Ruby?

Just because no one has previously followed this strand which helps to explain reasons why RFK had dragged JFK into a cauldron of intrigue that flowed from the Bay of Pigs via the ransom of Manuel Artime Buesa to JFK's loudmouth Miami proclamation about freeing Cuba, does not mean that it does not hold the answers to a lot of hitherto unanswered questions.

Nor does it mean that because all of the millions of rabid words uttered so far about the JFK assassination have either ignored or been totally unaware of this strand that it is not true.

In fact, more than most of the useless speculation that has been uttered and printed to date, this hitherto ignored strand is well documented.

Even the words of Walker uttered in this specific context within his one and a half pages of accusatory and very specific allegations that draw a line from his demise to the clandestine world of the highly fractured and internally competitive world of CIA associates has been dismissed out of hand.

There is an elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge.

Why?

Why the constant and misleading use of the term "right-wing" when the people involved are all Democrats and members of the same political party that gave the USA a reborn Klu Klux Klan.

There is a Republican in their midst named McCarthy, but his use had come and gone. If ever there was a proto-Oswald 'patsy', it was the US Senator from Wisconsin, and he was born and bred politically by this same group who lived in Dallas and worked out of Houston, Texas.

Mervyn

Hi Mervyn,

I hope we can cover all the information about General Walker and his possible relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald in this thread -- but I also hope we can proceed together.

Make no mistake -- developing the angle on General Walker is still very new. There was no full-length book about it until 2015.   This is a totally new CT for many readers.

I want to focus on Dallas for a few more weeks -- and I don't think that's asking for too much in my thread.

I see no direct Mafia involvement in the JFK shooting -- aside from throwing money at the Radical Right in Louisiana, Chicago and Florida.

No -- the shooting at JFK was a home-grown Dallas project.  That's what I think our focus on the Dallas Police and Deputies is showing forth with crystal clarity.

I see no connection between Walker and Ruby -- and I've looked.

I recognize that Clint Murchison was in the same corral with H.L. Hunt politically, and he was also a supporter of the John Birch Society -- which had provided the ideology that killed JFK.

Yet I'm looking for the GROUND CREW.   I find no Cubans.  I find no Italians.  I find no foreigners of any sort.  I find only Dallas Police and Deputies from start to finish.

That's my current CT, and it has plenty of energy so far.

David Lifton once asked a crucial question -- how is it that the Grassy Knoll shooter could blow off JFK's head and then disappear into thin air -- while surrounded by scores of spectators?

That's impossible UNLESS -- the shooter was dressed in a Dallas Police uniform.  Then all he had to do was stand up and walk around.  He would never be suspected.

I have no doubt that the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crsis played major roles in the POLITICS of the JFK murder -- yet I'm looking for the SHOOTERS.   I want the GROUND CREW.
   
Also, it is always possible to take a wider view of the politics -- and go back to the Civil War, then to World War Two, then to Civil Rights, then to JFK, then to Nixon.

What is more difficult -- and more important -- is to take a more narrow view to locate the GROUND CREW SHOOTERS at JFK.

By the way -- as to Jason's point -- when General Walker resigned from the US Army in 1961, his main supporters in the US Senate were Republicans.  They wanted to use his case to further their own politics, but Walker wanted to run for Governor and then for US President on the Democratic ticket.  So they quickly lost interest in him -- another competitor.

Yet Walker's idea of the Democratic Party was the Dixie-crat.  He truly believed he could save the Democratic Party from the FDR-Liberal wing, and restore it to the KKK dominated, Southern-based, Bubba Network akin to George Wallace.  This is what Walker thought in early 1962, when he ran for Texas Governor.   He came in last place.

This is because FDR had already converted the Democrats from the Dixie-crats into Farm Deal Social Program Democrats, as a crucial response to the Great Depression.  There was no turning back after that point.  JFK was going back to the days of FDR.  Not if the Dixie-crats could help it.

Yet when LBJ turned back to FDR, and completed the projects that JFK started, the Dixie-crats moved like an earthquake over to the Republican party.    That's when it happened.

But please -- let's try to focus on the Dallas GROUND-CREW.

All best,
--Paul

3 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Out of 100+ officers on duty in Dallas on November 22, 1963, why do radio logs indicate the singular report of Tippit at 1254 announcing his location in Oak Cliff?   Why aren't other officers regularly reporting their location?    Is it essential for Tippit to memorialize his time and place for some reason - even as other officers happily wonder around without location updates?

Hi Jason,

In my humble opinion, the reason that the Dallas Police Radio dispatcher singled out Tippit in the Log was that the dispatcher himself was aware of he JFK plot, and the role of JD Tippit to kill Lee Harvey Oswald (that commie rat) in the street -- so that Oswald could be effectively blamed for the JFK Assassination.

Oswald was already framed perfectly for the JFK Assassination by September, 1963, as he got himself in the newspapers, in a street fight, on the radio and on TV with Carlos Bringuier in New Orleans as part of his Fake FPCC, working for Guy Banister.

Oswald sealed this sheep-dip by taking his Fake FPCC resumé to Mexico City to seek quick passage into Cuba.   (Edwin Lopez stated under oath in 1986 -- on video in London -- that Lee Harvey Oswald certainly was in Mexico City during the final week of September, 1963.)

Since Oswald was already on TV stating that he was "definitely a Marxist," that -- plus Oswald's rifle in the hands of the Dallas Police -- was all the American public would need to justify the Dallas Police shooting him in the street.   

So, that was the plan.   The fastest way to coordinate this crucial position of Tippit in Oak Cliff by using Dallas Police Radio.  They may have regretted it later -- but there it is for the world to see.   Even then, Tippit himself was reported by citizens around Oak Cliff as unusually nervous, speeding around to and fro.  No doubt, killing anybody in cold blood is a guilty chore.

As Jeff Caufield (2015) said, however, Lee Harvey Oswald beat J.D. Tippit to the draw.   We know this because citizens reported that J.D. Tippit died with his pistol in his hand.   (Caufield also links Tippit with General Walker at Austin's BBQ, but more on this later.)

All best,
--Paul

1 hour ago, Jason Ward said:

Fine, for the sake of allowing us to interrogate your CT, let's stipulate this is true.   Boone's testimony supports your claim.   However, if I am the author of the assassination AND controlling the coverup, there's no way I let Boone/Mooney face questioning or even appear in any official investigation.   A few of the cops are polished and easy to believe; they're either good witnesses or good liars.  But not Mooney.  He's a dangerous loose cannon, IMO.   

Mooney's role as a key mechanic in Dealey Plaza

AND

...showing his face as a lame bad l-i-a-r in the Warren Commission makes no sense to me.  A good conspiracy casts him as either worker or story-teller, not both.  IMO.

Jason

Jason,

Although what you say is 99.99% true -- the exception is Dallas, Texas in 1963.

This was the Bubba Network.   Also, the boys in Washington DC had their gonads in a sling -- they couldn't contradict the Bubba Network in Dallas, Texas during the Cold War with the USSR!

For the USA to admit that the Bubba Network in Dallas was responsible for the murder of JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald in cold blood -- even on national TV -- would be for the USA to admit to the USSR that we were fractured!

During the Cold War, that could be described in one word -- IMPOSSIBLE.

You don't hand the USSR a propaganda victory like this during the Cold War.   Absolutely Impossible.   So, no matter what -- the Bubba Network in Dallas had the people they had -- and furthermore, they were unashamed of what they did.  They would do it again, given that golden opportunity.

On the contrary -- the Bubba Network in Dallas, Texas in 1963 was ready to double-down -- it was the Communists who did this dastardly act, with Fidel Castro practically pulling the trigger!   It was mandatory that the USA invade Cuba -- right now!

This was the rhetoric coming out of the Dallas Radical Right in December 1963.    It's easy to verify this.

What's not easy is to show that the highest leaders of Dallas were proud and card-carrying members of the Radical Right.   This is because Washington DC put the following pressure on them (instead of bringing them to justice), namely, that they could never reveal the Truth about what they did, nor could they ever again blame the Communists.   They must blame Lee Harvey Oswald, and him alone (on the record, that is).

This is easy to verify using the WC testimony of the Washington DC experts, plus the Dallas DA Henry Wade, plus the Texas Attorney General, Waggoner Carr.   We'll get to that, later.

The Warren Commission made their promise -- they would hear everybody's testimony -- and never cross-examine.

This is why it is (1) so easy to see the Bubba Network in the JFK murder; and (2) so puzzling that this was never revealed for more than a half-century after the JFK murder.

Yet all it takes is a simple review of the facts as given in the WC pages -- with a willingness to identify these many L-I-A-R-S whom the WC claimed were telling the truth -- and it all becomes crystal clear with ease.

Anyway -- that's my contention.   Just as Allen Dulles told his aide, Jacques Zwart -- the full truth is in the Warren Report -- if we would only become experts at hair-splitting.

If we would merely bear in mind that the Warren Commission never had any intention of getting at the Truth -- but only getting everybody's testimony on the record for posterity -- then we would never worry about witnesses getting trapped by tricky lawyers.

So it was very easy to allow everybody to testify.   As we see time and again in the WC pages, especially when it came to Dallas officials -- the WC attorneys met with the Dallas witnesses privately before the Hearings -- and coached them.   This is openly admitted at the beginning/ending of several WC witness testimonies. The Dallas "Master Story" aside, the WC itself also had its own plan -- about what WC witnesses must never say.

All best,
--Paul

25 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

TIME STUDY 3 - Dallas County Sheriff's Deputy Luke Mooney

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The time it takes to run from the courts building to the railroad tracks area, plus a few seconds, is when Decker orders deputies to the TSBD - does this match other testimony?  Why does Mooney think Decker is already back in Dealey Plaza, doesn't Decker go to Parkland first?  Is there other testimony indicating the time power shut off at the TSBD?  What do Vickery and Webster say about the point in time they met Mooney?    Doesn't Mooney testify that the spent shells are discovered before 1 and that Decker and Fritz are chatting below...is this supported or contrasted by other testimony?  Why does the radio log indicate shells found at 1:11 and not 1 or earlier?

Jason,

Just a few points to get my wheels turning here.   I will return to your timeline ASAP.

I find that Mooney's testimony about timing in running from the County Jail at Main and Houston, to the Grassy Knoll picket fence, as soon as Decker orders his men to go there, matches all testimony and the Dallas Police Radio Record.   IMHO, all this was planned well in advance.

I want to add one remark about your initial timeline -- the very first time should not be Bill Decker's call to his men to run to the railroad yard (behind the picket fence).  Instead, just five seconds before that, Jesse Curry ordered Will Fritz's homicide detectives to speed to the triple overpass overlooking that railroad yard.

The fact that Deputy Luke thinks his boss, Bill Decker, is already back in Dealey Plaza, proves his inability to stick with the
"Master Story."   Mooney can't remember the basics, because he is trying to keep track of his own fabrications about "discovering the shells and the rifle."

Even the Dallas Police Radio Log tells us that Decker is on his way to Parkland Hospital. 

Mooney testifies that he found the spent shells before 1pm when the Dallas Police Radio Log says 1:11, only means, IMHO, that Mooney was planting the spent shells before 1pm.   It's almost a confession, IMHO.   

I realize this is speculation -- but I'm setting up my explanation for Mooney's wandering off of the verified Timeline of the Dallas Police Radio Log.

All best,
--Paul

Jason,

Here are my remarks for your two posts on Sheriff Decker and on Deputy Boone:

ON DECKER:   Dallas Sheriff Bill Decker is hiding many secrets.  This is the reason for his "minimal" testimony -- in my opinion.   The main secret is that he was in collusion with Jesse Curry, Captain Fritz, James Hosty, Forrest Sorrels and their closest assistants, in support of General Walker in the selection of Dealey Plaza as the perfect site for the JFK Assassination (i.e. it was already  metaphorically owned by the Sheriff's Office).   

General Walker also selected Lee Harvey Oswald as the "Communist" to blame for the JFK Assassination.   The Dallas Police would ambush JFK in support of Walker, and then kill Oswald in the streets in support of Walker, minutes later.   (Oswald was sufficiently framed as an FPCC Communist in New Orleans the previous summer -- in newspapers, radio and TV.)

Bill Decker arranged for his Deputies (esp. Luke Mooney) to plant the rifle and shells and to "discover" them within one hour after the JFK shooting.  This was plausible because they won possession of Oswald's rifle early in the morning.  Somebody convinced Oswald to bring his rifle to the TSBD that morning and hand it over to a trusted colleague outside of the TSBD. 

Bill Decker's connection with General Walker and the Dallas Radical Right focused on the Dallas Minutemen, who faithfully followed General Walker.   Walker was a follower of the John Birch Society, but was more radical than the average Bircher, because Walker was willing to take risks and put his beliefs into action.   For example, Walker led the Ole Miss riots of 9/30/1962 to support the Bircher goal of impeaching Earl Warren for his Brown Decision (1954).   Though many Birchers frowned on the Ole Miss riots, this was Walker's interpretation of the literature, and he always insisted on taking action against anybody that he believed were Communists.   Walker had many followers in Dallas.

ON BOONE:  There is no way, IMHO, that Boone checked his watch when the Oswald rifle was "found".  Instead, he checked the Dallas Police Radio Record for the time.   That's why it was exactly correct.   No other reason.   Deputy Boone did anything that Sheriff Decker told him to do.  That explains all his actions on 11/22/1963, in my opinion.

Yes, I realize all this is speculation -- but all I really want to bring out here is the HIERARCHY.

The Dallas JFK plotters follow a HIERARCHY that is already in place in Dallas, namely, the HIERARCHY of the Dallas Sheriff's Office and the Dallas Police Office.   At the top of the Sheriff's Office is Sheriff Bill Decker.   All the Deputies named in the WC reported to Bill Decker as a matter of professional loyalty and honor.  All the Policemen named in the WC reported to Jesse Curry and Captain Fritz.   This same HIERARCHY continues in the Dallas JFK plot.    

I'm not stating this as a fact -- I'm stating this as a proposition -- a hypothesis about HIERARCHY to test as we organize the 20 Dallas WC witnesses that we have surveyed so far.   It may come in handy.

All best,
--Paul

52 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your interest in talking to me about the police testimony. I'm now concerned about defining a method of evaluation.

A few thoughts:

I.         We lose something by trying to extract meaning from data given in one format but rendered into another format.   Specifically, all this is spoken-word testimony.  But we are evaluating the written word.  It’s like trying to appreciate music by reading only the notes on the page and without hearing it performed.  We don’t have juries read transcripts to decide a matter in controversy for a good reason, even though logistically it would be much easier.

§  I think we two probably put a lot of weight into the written word.  It’s the currency of academia.   I try to use precision in everything I write, which perhaps makes me expect precision in all writing.   But, this testimony isn’t even writing – it’s spoken words translated into writing.

§  How meaningful is spoken word testimony rendered into writing?  Isn’t only half of evaluating a speaker based on the objective meaning of the words they use, with the other half of the evaluation a mix of intuitive subjective inputs and impressions they make?  

II.         With this in mind, how best to evaluate what we have?   Some random ideas for discussion:

§  Is it or is it not useful to pinpoint factual discrepancies?   For instance, there are data points all over the place around time.  Do we try to plot the exact scattered times given or is it more efficient to use comparative terms, such as X says Y happened before Z said it happened?  Time is just one example of objective data we might seek.  In some ways WHEN is similar to testimony around WHO and WHERE. Is it more instructive to try comparing precise plot points in the many narratives, or are there more revealing lenses to use – such as terms of relative comparison (before/after; closer/farther; clear/obscure; similar/conflicting)?  Or perhaps we try to divine which witnesses are honest and which are not?   Or….????

§  I might try constructing a master narrative that I hypothesize was distributed to the police testifiers.   What do you think about this as a sub-project?

§  Now that we’ve looked closely at some individual police depositions, should we or should we not draw in other words they say elsewhere?  Both official but separate reports and/or unofficial words they’ve said we might find in the media, CT research, hearsay, etc?

Unstructured discussions have their place and we can all benefit from brainstorming from time to time.  However, I prefer to work in structured effort for the most part.   So I think we agree to look at the 4 different scenes (TSBD; Tippit murder; Texas Theatre; DPD with Oswald in custody).  I hear your point that contradictions are important clues.  Are there any other organizational approaches we can agree upon to form a cohesive plan of attack?   

I look forward to a meta-analysis of the police witnesses.

Jason

Hi Jason,

Here's my feedback:

I.  Because these events occurred nearly 55 years ago, we are almost entirely limited to court-transcript media to get Dallas Police and Deputy eye-witness testimony.  I see two alternatives: 

§  When Lee Harvey Oswald's case was tried in London in 1986 by London Weekend Television Productions, using Vincent Bugliosi as prosecutor, a few Dallas Police were called to the witness stand.  We can watch some of their facial responses there.

§  Of the hundreds of newspaper and civilian photographs taken of events around 11/22/1963, there is almost nothing that tracks any Dallas Policeman or Deputy specific testimony.  We can only use photographs to show some Dallas Officers at this or that scene -- but none to show the absence of Dallas Officers.  In other words, if they are absent from a photo, there's nothing we can conclude.

II. As for our methods to proceed:

§   IMHO, it is less useful than it might seem, to pinpoint disagreements about "facts."   First, we would need a computer to keep track of the tons of innocent mistakes and forgetfulness, leading nowhere.

§   Plotting a time-frame is always useful -- yet we already have the basic timeline in the Dallas Police Radio Records.

§   IMHO, anybody who disagrees with the Radio Records for more than 30 minutes, is being far too sloppy for the Truth. 

§  IMHO, anybody who gets events in the wrong sequence, is too sloppy for the Truth.

§   Most Dallas Police and Deputies agree with the Radio Record times and sequence -- so any disagreement is a Red Flag.

§  IMHO, our main task will be to Declare which WC witnesses are honest and which are not -- and why.  

§   The WC has already declared all of them honest (except for Roger Craig).  Yet we have found many contradictions between them -- and this underscores the WC's major flaw -- the myth of a Lone Shooter. 

§   Solely defying the WC about the honesty of some Dallas Police and Deputies -- will be so complicated, that we should not add any other project at this time.

§   This means that trying to reconstruct the "Master Story" that the main JFK plotters wrote for the Dallas Police and Deputies, is too speculative and controversial.   Let's stick closely to the material evidence as we've been doing.

§  I like your idea, Jason, about using the words that these Dallas Police and Deputies said in later months and years to Newspapers and Magazines, or on Television. 

Let us proceed then, with a semi-formal meta-analysis of the police witnesses.  (It can't be formal, because we're using this public Forum as our means of communication.)   As usual, we still welcome any readers who are willing to focus on the issue of the Dallas Police and Deputies, and their WC stories.

I assure all readers that this will eventually stream into a hierarchy, with its head at the highest levels of the Dallas Radical Right in 1963 -- namely, the resigned US General Edwin Walker -- the only US General to resign in the 20th century.   I ask for the readers' patience in this temporary focus on the Dallas Police and Deputies.

All best,
--Paul

9 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

OK, Paul, we identified ~91 Dallas law enforcement officers in the Warren Commission testimony - and from that we've reviewed the top 19 or so who seem to have the most interesting activity on 22 NOV 63.

You once said you have produced a separate look at many of these officers, so I hope you will either post what you think is relevant here from your previous efforts, or otherwise share your analysis.  One of our goals was to keep our reading of the testimony separate so as to come to independent conclusions.

1. First, we differ somewhat on two specific officers.   Sgt David Harkness and officer Joe Smith you find less honest and forthcoming than I do.  
2. For the others, at the highest level it seems there are at least 3 consistent patterns which coincide around a specific time and place:

(I) The timeframe of activities at the TSBD is a conflicted, confused mess.   Who does what and when is completely uncertain.   Exactly how are the shell casings arranged when found?  (if "found" at all) Why the ~45 minute delay in searching the 6th floor when witnesses pointed to the 6th floor immediately?

(II) The Tippit murder scene is almost a blank page.  Testimony around this crime is thin and sporadic.  I have no confidence that anything like a complete picture has emerged in this testimony concerning Tippit's murder and aftermath.

(III) The Texas Theatre stories are fairly consistent in my view.  What happened here seems of little dispute.   I don't think the police have much to hide here, considered as an isolated time and place, do you?

 

Jason

Hi Jason,

All right, you have anticipated where I wanted to go with the past 12 pages of this thread dealing with Dallas Police and Deputies -- namely, summarizing them all as a GROUP.

I agree to divide the analysis into the three sections that you identified, but I will add one more, which you had identified last week:

(1)  The time frame of activities at the TSBD.   I include the 5 minutes before the JFK shooting, namely, the starting positions of all the Dallas Police and Deputies. 

1.1.  This includes people in cars and motorcycles, but also people on foot outside the TSBD.  For our purposes, there were no Dallas Police or Deputies police inside the TSBD until after JFK is shot. 

1.2.  Then we should trace the activities of all these  Dallas Police and Deputies for the next 60 minutes at the TSBD.   I find several accounts to be contradictory.   These contradictions are major clues to the JFK Assassination.  

(2)  The Tippit murder scene.   The WC testimony, and additional affidavits, are contradictory.   These contradictions are major clues to the JFK Assassination.  

(3) The Texas Theater stories are fairly consistent.   Sergeant Hill claims to be the one who took charge there -- yet others also claimed to have taken charge.   We might dismiss this as simple ego-competition.   I want to keep my finger here, however.

(4)  The events at Dallas Police Headquarters -- where Oswald was finally killed -- the TIMING of events is important to me.  Contradictions here are also major clues.   Why does Hill contradict Fritz on key facts?  Why does Roger Craig contradict Fritz on key facts?

All best,
--Paul

On 4/6/2018 at 5:58 PM, Jason Ward said:

Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 19: DPD SGT Gerald Hill (34)

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CONCERNS:

1. Most of Hill's testimony is in the form of a long pedantic essay which is a meandering monologue unguided by the attorney's questions.  This is difficult to read and there are lots of irrelevant details - i.e., concerns over using the correct form and captioning the reports in a procedurally correct way.
2. Isn't Hill's story about informing Fritz of the discovered spent shell casings on the 6th floor different than all other testimony that say Fritz heard this from others?
3. Assistant DA Bill Alexander makes an appearance in Hill's testimony - we learn he is at both the TSBD and Tippit shooting scene; is this the first we've heard of Alexander's presence?
4. Why isn't Hill asked about the detailed arrangement of the spent shell casings at the TSBD?
5. Hill yelling down to the street requesting the "crime lab" is a first in testimony, I think?
6. Why doesn't the witness description of the Tippit shooter given to Hill (170 pounds, bushy hair) match Oswald's description?
7. Hill's testimony around the Tippit scene is confused - it is entirely unclear where he goes and when, although he seems to take a tour around much of the block
8. The cigarette pack holding found shells is an odd and unique detail.
9. Who is first at the Tippit scene from the DPD?  Poe?  Croy?  Westbrook?  Who?
10. How many wallets are attributed to Oswald that day and where are they found?   Hill says Bentley found one on Oswald on the ride back to Dallas, but aren't these details at odds with other wallet testimony?
11. Doesn't Hill offer yet another version of how Oswald's addresses were found compared to previous testimony?
12. Isn't Hill's testimony about Capt Fritz's actions in arriving at DPD HQ inconsistent with Fritz's testimony?  Hill says Fritz was still in search of Oswald upon returning the DPD headquarters, but don't Fritz and others say they already know Oswald is in custody before they even get back to the station?
13. Hill's testimony around what happens at the police station when Oswald is brought back is confused and lacking real details.  Why is the personnel office used to process Oswald's gun?
14. Hill is at the TSBD, Tippit murder scene, the Texas Theatre, and the police station with Oswald; yet his testimony is short on details - such as, where is his boss, Capt Westbrook in all this?

Overall, Hill's testimony seems like a student essay turned in to describe his big day at work when the president died.   His words around the Tippit murder scene are so confused that I am suspicious of everything he says involving this part of his day.  There may be pinpoint details in Hill's testimony that don't match up to what others say, but his narrative is so confused that it is difficult to map out a coherent sequence of Hill's actions.  This is a terrible, chaotic witness.

Hi Jason,

Your work on DPD Sergeant Gerald Hill is exactly what I was hoping to see.   You and I agree on these key points:

1. Hill's description of Captain Fritz's movements at the TSBD in his story is different from Fritz's and everybody else's.

2.  Hill's description of finding the sniper's shell's is different from everybody else's.

3.  Hill's claim to be the one who looked outside the TSBD windows and shouted down that the shells were found, and they are ready for Lieutenant Day and the "Crime Lab," mimics the same account given by Deputy Mooney.

4.  Then, Hill's description of the Tippit murder scene is different from everybody else's.   

4.1.  The "cigarette pack" holding found shells comes out of nowhere.

4.2.  Asst DA Bill Alexander's attendance comes out of nowhere.

5.  Hill's story of who took charge at the Texas Theater is completely different from everybody else's.

6.  Hill's story of how Oswald's "wallet" was found is completely different from everybody else's.

7.  Hill's story of how Oswald's two addresses were discovered is different from everybody else's.

8.   Hill's account of the events at Dallas Police HQ is different from everybody else's.

8.1.  Hill's account fails to match Captain Fritz's account of his own movements.

9.   Here is yet another DPD officer who was present at the TSBD, at the Tippit murder scene, at the Texas Theater, and at Police HQ when Oswald is booked -- but we caught a break -- instead of lacking details, like most other Dallas cops, Sergeant Hill tells his own version of events which contradicts other Dallas cops.

9.1.  In my reading, Sergeant Hill's testimony is as valuable as Deputy Roger Craig's, because he somehow feels free to invent his own version of events. 

9.2.  This, in my interpretation, reveals a CULTURE among the Dallas Police and Deputies, that "everybody else is doing it, so why not me?"

9.3.   Thus, Dallas officers with slightly lower IQ's than others will not grasp what is going on, and will invent absurd details -- and expect to be taken at their word, and with the exception of Roger Craig, will always be taken at their word!   

9.4.  Here is where the WC account of the Lone Shooter breaks down most clearly, in my reading.   

OK, that's it.  I think we've finally covered all of the Dallas Police and Deputies that I requested back on page 7 of this thread.   Now we're on page 21, and it's been a long, hard road.   Some readers are stilling trying to catch up.   That's OK.   

But finally, after 19 long WC testimonies, we can finally see real gaps in the Dallas Police and Deputy testimony.   How do the Dallas officials account for their time?   How do the Dallas officials account for their movements?   Who was where, when?   What did they see when they were there?

Some diversion of accounting is normal -- as when different people see different aspects of a car accident.   But the massive diversion in these testimonies is a major key to showing a Dallas-based, Radical Right political motive for the JFK murder in Dallas.

I know it seems like a lot of work -- but we're not really done analyzing the Dallas Police and Deputy data.  Now that we've publicly revealed the cracks in their WC testimony -- one by one -- now is the time to review all 19 once more -- as a GROUP.

The facts that they withheld are as important as any lies that they tell.   When they invent stories out of whole cloth, that means to conceal related facts. 

All best,
--Paul 

On 4/6/2018 at 6:14 PM, Paul Brancato said:

Does anyone else here notice how unwilling the two main posters here are to answer my questions? ...

....Skorzeny...was working for US intel. There are good reasons to think he might be QJWIN...Skorzeny operated out of Madrid. Interesting that both E Howard Hunt and William Harvey had some unnamed business in Madrid in 1963. How about we put our considerable knowledge, and access to documents, to looking at this possibility. 

Paul B.,

Once again you show your willingness to divert this discourse about General Walker and the Radical Right in Dallas in the JFK Assassination -- and especially our current, intensive focus on the Dallas Police and Sheriff's Office -- into your CIA-did-it hobby horse.

That's not "considerable knowledge" in my view, that's just obsolete data.  You see perfectly well that we're focusing on a new scrutiny of the Dallas Police and yet you insist on your 50-year-old CIA-did-it CT.

I told you that I would give you one more chance -- and this is your response.   So now I'm setting your account to IGNORE.   You can complain to Moderators all you want -- but there is NOTHING to prevent me from seeing your Forum Account to IGNORE.    

With utmost sincerity,
--Paul Trejo