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Take into account Earlene ROBERTS. Her testimony was troublesome for the Dallas police and favorable to OSWALD - Request http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/R%20Disk/Roberts%20Earlene/Item%2008.pdf
Roberts testified before the Warren Commission that Oswald arrived home at around 1.00 p.m. on 22nd November, 1963. He stayed only a few minutes but while he was in the house a Dallas Police Department car parked in front of the house. In the car were two uniformed policemen. Roberts described how the driver sounded the horn twice before driving off. Soon afterwards Oswald left the house. Roberts also testified that she thought the police car's number was 106 or 107 or 207. Some researchers have suggested that it might have been the car being driven by J. D. Tippit (number 10). However, the Dallas Police denied they had any cars in that area at 1.00 p.m. on 22nd November.
David Welsh claims that Roberts was subjected to intensive police harassment. "They visited her at all hours of the day and night, contacted her employers and identified her as the Oswald rooming house lady. As a result she was dismissed from three housekeeping and nursing jobs in April, May and June of 1964 alone; no telling how many jobs she lost after that." Earlene Roberts died of a heart attack in Parkland Hospital on 9th January, 1966.
Tippit car
Your English has improved immensely in the last few weeks.
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Here's an interesting tidbit I just discovered. Bill Shelley was the best man at Gloria Calvery's wedding!
The girl in the tire ad with her above, Dana Herring, was also her bridesmaid. It's in her wedding announcement which I found online at My Heritage. I made up a findagrave page for her, connected up some of her ancestors to it and included a couple of the photos Thomas found, and the wedding clipping. I was going to attach it here but can't figure out how to do that.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=149407954
This is an interesting discovery. I think this just about confirms that Gloria Little was, indeed, Gloria Calvery.
No matter how many times I compare the photos, I just can't reconcile that Gloria Little is the woman seen in the Darnell still.
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In comparison, CE 495:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0118a.htm
The "A" marked by Truly can clearly be seen at the foot of the steps.
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Here is a link to CE 361, on which Truly supposedly marked his location on Elm St. with a "T".
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_361.pdf
I have enlarged this exhibit and cannot see where Truly placed a "T" on it.
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Suffice it to say, we really are not sure where Truly was standing while watching the motorcade, although he had to have been on the Elm St. sidewalk in order to see the limo swerve to the left and stop.
During his testimony, Truly was asked to pinpoint exactly where he was standing:
"Mr. BELIN. And the camera would be pointing north on Exhibit 495.
I wonder if on that exhibit you would put the place where you and Mr. Campbell first stood, and mark that with the letter "A" if you would.
Mr. TRULY. The street curved there, I suppose. I think possibly along here somewheres.
Mr. BELIN. You have marked a letter "A" on Exhibit 495. Now, I believe you said that afterwards you went and moved out towards the street, is that correct?
Mr. TRULY. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. I am going to put up on the board Commission Exhibit No. 361. The bottom of the picture is relatively north, sir.
And the top faces roughly south.
And here is the Texas School Book Depository Building--located at Houston and Elm.
Mr. TRULY. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. I wonder if you could put on Exhibit 361 with the letter "T" the spot at which you were standing when you moved to a closer position to watch the motorcade.
Mr. TRULY. I could be off a few feet, but I believe possibly over this way just a bit--that is within 3 or 4 or 5 feet of this area.
We were almost out in this. And I think when the motorcade came around, we probably pushed out even a bit farther.
Mr. BELIN. Now, by this, you are referring to the entrance to the parkway, is that correct?
Mr. TRULY. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. And, you say that you are either at the spot marked by the letter. "T" or perhaps a little bit to the east of that?
Mr. TRULY. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. And that you gradually might have moved a little bit towards the south, towards the parkway, is that correct?
Mr. TRULY. That is correct."Has anyone ever seen a copy of the exhibit on which Truly marked his position?
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Okay, I am very pleased at the responses I have gotten, as together, along with Truly's testimony to the WC, they will demonstrate a puzzling thing about Truly's whereabouts in the crucial seconds following the last shot.
Thomas
Why would Truly be standing on the Elm St. extension, if he was watching a motorcade on Elm St.? No, he would be with the rest of the spectators seen on the concrete island separating the extension and Elm St., and that would place him on the Elm St. sidewalk. Truly has made a very bad estimation of distance, as not only is the Elm St. extension more than 20 feet wide, the width of the sidewalks plus the distance further down Elm St. he was more than doubles this number. This is amply demonstrated by the photo posted by Chris which shows just how much further west the traffic light pole was from the steps.
Bart
The two stills you have posted are from the Wiegman film, and, if that is Truly you have identified, demonstrate the conundrum here. The Wiegman film shows the same scene as the Couch film, yet is taken mere seconds before the car Couch is riding in pulls up and stops at the same location, and Couch films Baker running to the TSBD. If that is Truly standing with the other spectators in Wiegman, and that is also Truly standing near the foot of the steps in Couch, how did he cover so much ground so quickly? (I refer again to Chris's post) Let's see how Truly explained this feat to the WC:
"Mr. BELIN. All right.
Then what did you see happen?
Mr. TRULY. I heard an explosion, which I thought was a toy cannon or a loud firecracker from west of the building. Nothing happened at this first explosion. Everything was frozen. And immediately after two more explosions, which I realized that I thought was a gun, a rifle of some kind.
The President's--I saw the President's car swerve to the left and stop somewheres down in this area. It is misleading here. And that is the last I saw of his ear, because this crowd, when the third shot rang out--there was a large crowd all along this abutment here, this little wall, and there was some around us in front--they began screaming and falling to the ground. And the people in front of myself and Mr. Campbell surged back, either in terror or panic. They must have seen this thing. I became separated from Mr. Campbell. They just practically bore me back to the first step on the entrance of our building.
Mr. BELIN. When you saw the President's car seem to stop, how long did it appear to stop?
Mr. TRULY. It would be hard to say over a second or two or something like that. I didn't see I just saw it stop. I don't know. I didn't see it start up.
Mr. BELIN. Then you stopped looking at it, or you were distracted by something else?
Mr. TRULY. Yes. The crowd in front of me kind of congealed around me and bore me back through weight of numbers, and I lost sight of it.
I think there were a lot of people trying to get out of the way of something. They didn't know what."
I know Texans like to exaggerate but, Truly and Campbell were only with five or six women on the Elm St. sidewalk, and his story about the people in front of him "congealing" around him and bearing him back to the steps of the TSBD sounds like BS to me.
BTW, Thomas, note that he says the crowd "bore me back to the first step on the entrance of our building". I believe this settles whether or not he was standing in the middle of the street.
What bothers me is Truly has just heard three shots fired, likely at the President, and saw the limo stop and swerve to the left, and what does he do? He immediately leaves and makes for the TSBD at high speed. Not a bit of curiosity about what has happened to JFK?
Robert,
OK, so they weren't standing on the Extension sidewalk, but they weren't standing on the Elm Street sidewalk or the "island," either. At least not according to Don Roberdeau.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4946/dponlygifupdated111112.gif
I don't think your "Fedora Man" is Truly. His fedora looks too light colored above the band and there's a white handkerchief in his breast pocket.
I think Truly and Campbell were standing in the street off to the right, out of view of the camera.
Lots of people were standing on the Elm Street Extension pavement close to the pavement of Elm Street including "Stetson Man" (a good landmark), for example. I'm talking about people who were standing in a curving line on the Elm Street Extension pavement, a line of people which started at the tip of the "island."
-- Tommy
I think Roberdeau is mistaken. The two men he refers to as Truly and Campbell are dressed in khaki work clothes, yet Truly is photographed in a suit, tie and fedora some time after the rifle was found.
Besides, look again at Truly's testimony:
"Mr. TRULY. I heard a policeman in this area along here make a remark, "Oh, goddam," or something like that. I just remember that. It wasn't a motorcycle policeman. It was one of the Dallas policeman, I think-- words to that effect.
I wouldn't know him. I just remember there was a policeman standing along in this area about 7, 8, or 10 feet from me.
But as I came back here, and everybody. was screaming and hollering, just moments later-I saw a young motorcycle policeman run up to the building, up the steps to the entrance of our building. He ran right by me. And he was pushing people out of the way. He pushed a number of people out of the way before he got to me. I saw him coming through, I believe. As he ran up the stairway--I mean up the steps, I was almost to the steps, I ran up and caught up with him. I believe I caught up with him inside the lobby of the building, or possibly the front steps. I don't remember that close. But I remember it occurred to me that this man wants on top of the building. He doesn't know the plan of the floor. And-that is-that just pepped in my mind, and I ran in with him. As we got in the lobby, almost on the inside of the first floor, this policeman asked me where the stairway is. And I said, "This way". And I ran diagonally across to the northwest corner of the building."
A couple of sentences stand out here:
"And he was pushing people out of the way. He pushed a number of people out of the way before he got to me. I saw him coming through, I believe. As he ran up the stairway--I mean up the steps, I was almost to the steps, I ran up and caught up with him."
Neither of the two men identified as Truly and Campbell by Roberdeau are anywhere near the steps, or Baker, for that matter.
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I have a feeling Truly is the man in front with the fedora on. The only thing I can base this on is that Truly mentioned, in his WC testimony, that he had trouble seeing over crowds and, of the three men together there, the man in the fedora seems to be the shortest.
P.S.
The person just behind Fedora Man actually appears to be a woman; see the skinny pantless legs?
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Okay, I am very pleased at the responses I have gotten, as together, along with Truly's testimony to the WC, they will demonstrate a puzzling thing about Truly's whereabouts in the crucial seconds following the last shot.
Thomas
Why would Truly be standing on the Elm St. extension, if he was watching a motorcade on Elm St.? No, he would be with the rest of the spectators seen on the concrete island separating the extension and Elm St., and that would place him on the Elm St. sidewalk. Truly has made a very bad estimation of distance, as not only is the Elm St. extension more than 20 feet wide, the width of the sidewalks plus the distance further down Elm St. he was more than doubles this number. This is amply demonstrated by the photo posted by Chris which shows just how much further west the traffic light pole was from the steps.
Bart
The two stills you have posted are from the Wiegman film, and, if that is Truly you have identified, demonstrate the conundrum here. The Wiegman film shows the same scene as the Couch film, yet is taken mere seconds before the car Couch is riding in pulls up and stops at the same location, and Couch films Baker running to the TSBD. If that is Truly standing with the other spectators in Wiegman, and that is also Truly standing near the foot of the steps in Couch, how did he cover so much ground so quickly? (I refer again to Chris's post) Let's see how Truly explained this feat to the WC:
"Mr. BELIN. All right.
Then what did you see happen?
Mr. TRULY. I heard an explosion, which I thought was a toy cannon or a loud firecracker from west of the building. Nothing happened at this first explosion. Everything was frozen. And immediately after two more explosions, which I realized that I thought was a gun, a rifle of some kind.
The President's--I saw the President's car swerve to the left and stop somewheres down in this area. It is misleading here. And that is the last I saw of his ear, because this crowd, when the third shot rang out--there was a large crowd all along this abutment here, this little wall, and there was some around us in front--they began screaming and falling to the ground. And the people in front of myself and Mr. Campbell surged back, either in terror or panic. They must have seen this thing. I became separated from Mr. Campbell. They just practically bore me back to the first step on the entrance of our building.
Mr. BELIN. When you saw the President's car seem to stop, how long did it appear to stop?
Mr. TRULY. It would be hard to say over a second or two or something like that. I didn't see I just saw it stop. I don't know. I didn't see it start up.
Mr. BELIN. Then you stopped looking at it, or you were distracted by something else?
Mr. TRULY. Yes. The crowd in front of me kind of congealed around me and bore me back through weight of numbers, and I lost sight of it.
I think there were a lot of people trying to get out of the way of something. They didn't know what."I know Texans like to exaggerate but, Truly and Campbell were only with five or six women on the Elm St. sidewalk, and his story about the people in front of him "congealing" around him and bearing him back to the steps of the TSBD sounds like BS to me.
BTW, Thomas, note that he says the crowd "bore me back to the first step on the entrance of our building". I believe this settles whether or not he was standing in the middle of the street.
What bothers me is Truly has just heard three shots fired, likely at the President, and saw the limo stop and swerve to the left, and what does he do? He immediately leaves and makes for the TSBD at high speed. Not a bit of curiosity about what has happened to JFK?
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One should also be aware in reading this bumped thread that the WCC did not make 6.5mm Carcano ammunition that was "loaded with...bullets that were .264" in diameter." As I believe I indicated elsewhere in a thread on this forum, the 6.5mm Carcano ammunition manufactured by the WCC, and in particular the bullet component, was constructed utilizing specifications from Italian ballistic drawings/schematics supplied to Western by the U. S. Army Ordnance Department, diagrams acquired by the army as part of the massive quantities of "paperwork" confiscated by Allied forces during their liberation of Europe in 1944, 1945. I possess 60 rounds of this ammunition, from three different lot numbers, and the average bullet diameter size is just slightly over .2677".
Following the assassination, SA Robert A. Frazier of the FBI had in his possession CE399, a 6.5mm Carcano bullet made by the Western Cartridge Co., plus the unfired 6.5mm Carcano cartridge found in C2766, also made by the Western Cartridge Co. On top of this, the FBI also purchased several boxes of WCC 6.5mm Carcano cartridges.
As part of his testimony to the WC, Frazier stated the dimensions of these WCC 6.5mm Carcano bullets that he had measured in his laboratory.
What diameter do you think he found the WCC bullets to be, and do you believe his measuring was accurate?
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I disagree, Thomas. I think he is very close to the steps, and that he is also standing on the sidewalk. If what I have read is true, Truly was also standing a ways down Elm St. at the time of the shots, likely very close to where Baker parked his motorcycle. This makes Truly's estimation of him and Campbell being 20 feet from the steps of the TSBD grossly in error.
Anyways, have you read Truly's testimony? What do you make of his explanation of how he made it from the Elm St. to the steps of the TSBD? His testimony is another reason I put him much closer to the steps than the middle of the Elm St. extension.
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Everyone seems to be in agreement that Roy Truly can be seen near the foot of the steps of the TSBD in the Couch film. Baker can be seen to run by him, attracting his attention, and the two of them supposedly went on together from this point to the famous 2nd floor encounter with Oswald.
The question is, what is Truly doing at the foot of the steps? According to his WC testimony, he and his boss, Ochus Campbell, had been on their way to lunch, and had stopped to watch the motorcade with a group of TSBD employees standing across the Elm St. extension at the base of a traffic light pole.
"Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where you were standing with Mr. Campbell?
Mr. TRULY. I would judge out in Elm Street, 10 to 15 or 20 feet from the front steps. We first stood on the steps, the bottom steps a few minutes, and then we walked out in the line of spectators on the side of Elm Street."
The Elm St. extension is actually more than 20 feet wide, plus the sidewalk and the concrete island betweem Elm St. and the Elm St. extension.
Truly was watching the motorcade and heard three shots he believed came from west of the TSBD. He watched the President's limo long enough after the last shot to see it come to a stop and swerve to the left.
It is the moments between watching the limo stop and our seeing him in the Couch film, at the foot of the steps, that interest me, as it appears he has made it to the steps in record time, if one considers Baker's timeline. From the moment Baker heard the last shot, until he entered the TSBD, was no more than 20 seconds.
I would appreciate your comments on this before I examine Truly's explanation for his hasty return to the TSBD.
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One more thing, for people who do no understand why Davey is here:
See, he knows he can't sell books. He knows he won't convince anyone he is right.
What he does is this: He lifts the dialogue from here, and then edits it, removing for instance, my strongest points. He then adds in his reply, but also tacks on something that was not written here.
He then posts it on his web site. He has a series based on me that is something like 95 parts long.
That is what he is doing here.
He kind of reminds me of the mouthy little guy at a party that ends up getting b*tch slapped half way through the night.
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When the short rifle was introduced as the 7.35mm calibre M38 in 1938, adjustable sights were dropped not only on the short rifle but on all the carbine versions of the short rifle as well. This pactice was maintained after the M38 was abandoned in 1940, and reintroduced as a 6.5mm calibre short rifle known as the M91/38.
The only Carcano to ever be fitted with an adjustable rear sight after 1938 was the M91/41 long rifle, introduced in 1941.
I find it strange indeed that they would advertise an M91 TS carbine with adjustable rear sight, and only have the M91/38 TS in stock, with a fixed rear sight.
It would be interesting to try to track down the other 99 Carcano short rifles. There is a Carcano registry that may be helpful.
What is more interesting is the specs chart you posted. Note the M91/38 carbines are listed as having "gain twist" rifling in their barrels.
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I have seen an extreme close up of this "loaded" cartridge. What appears to be a bullet is something else entirely, perhaps a bit of lint.
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It's a matter of timing, Dave, plus the fact Oswald was seen by a receptionist on the 2nd floor. Whomever Baker saw on the 4th floor (wearing a jacket that Oswald did not own) could not have been LHO, as he could not be seen by the receptionist PLUS be on the 4th floor.
Add to this it would look very suspicious for Oswald to have descended only two storeys in the time it took Baker to make his way to the 4th floor.
Fritz's notes, written to appear to be hastily jotted down during an interview, were actually written a week after the assassination. Bogus, and not a reliable source.
Why was Truly's affidavit taken on the 23rd, while almost every other TSBD gave their affidavits on the 22nd?
Not only was the interview with Curry filmed on the 23rd, at no point does Curry say where the encounter with Baker and Oswald took place. It could have been at the front door, for all we know. No matter, by the 23rd, the conspiracy was taking shape nicely. If this interview with Curry had taken place on the afternoon of the 22nd, I might take you seriously.
You got nothin', Dave.
You lost me on the line I've highlighted, Bob. Where did you get this? If I recall, Fritz's notes were only discovered after his death.
So why in heck would he make bogus notes, and write them in a manner suggesting they were original notes, and then fail to do anything with them?
From the Warren Commission testimony of Capt. J.W. "Will" Fritz, Dallas Police Dept:
"Mr. FRITZ. I don't remember whether there was anyone else right at that time or not.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what you said to Oswald and what he said to you?
Mr. FRITZ. I can remember the thing that I said to him and what he said to me, but I will have trouble telling you which period of questioning those questions were in because I kept no notes at the time, and these notes and things that I have made I would have to make several days later, and the questions may be in the wrong place."
Yes, the notes were only discovered after Fritz's death. I would estimate he wrote them, and wrote them in the manner he did, just on the off chance any agency ever demanded to see them. As it turned out, such a demand never arose.
The mere fact the notes were written "several days later", once the alteration of evidence was well under way, calls into question their authenticity. As you yourself said, why make bogus notes, and attempt to make them appear hastily jotted down, several days after the assassination?
I think there may be something to this. The notes could have been created when Fritz was writing his report, with him trying to remember the questions he asked and then writing down the responses he received. This might help explain why the notes for these interviews were written on the same pages and in the same manner. It would also throw the argument Fritz's notes prove Oswald said he was "out front with Bill Shelley" at the time of the shots into the dumper.
Or Fritz, in the days following the assassination, was in close contact with high ranking investigators from the FBI, SS, etc. and may have been a little embarrassed about not having taken any notes at the interrogation. (or not having a stenographer or tape recorder present either) He may have made his notes, several days later, to appear as if they were hastily jotted down at the interrogation, just in case he was ever pressed for them. As he was never asked for them, it is quite obvious why he never volunteered them. There were people present at the investigation that might have remarked, "Hey, Will, I was there the whole time. I don't recall you taking any notes."
Unfortunately, it would also throw the 2nd floor encounter with Baker into the dumpster, as well. Part of Fritz's notes say "claims 2nd floor Coke when off came in". We all know that Baker denied seeing a Coke in Oswald's hand. Did Fritz's notes get written before the Coke was written out of the story?
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Mark Lane: Mr. Baker, do you know the difference between a stair well and a lunch room?
Baker: Yes.
Lane: Let me show you a picture of a stairwell. (Shows him a stairwell in the TSBD)
Now, let me show you the lunchroom on the second floor.
Did you have any problem seeing those?
Baker: No.
Lane: Now, if I showed you the third floor stairwell or the fourth, do you think they would look different?
Baker: No.
Lane: Now, let me show you the photo of the lunch room again. Do you notice there is a door ajar here, do you notice the furniture, do you notice the soda machine?
Baker: Yes.
Lane: Now did you notice any of those things on the stair well photo?
Baker: No.
Lane: Have you ever in your entire life seen a stair well with this kind of furniture in it?
Baker: No.
Lane: Was there any door window on the stairwell that you looked through to see Oswald?
Baker: No.
Lane: So how could you possibly confuse one with the other?
Baker: Well, it wasn't easy. But I wanted to keep my job. I mean you saw what happened to Roger Craig.
Hi Jim
I've never seen this exchange between Mark Lane and Baker before. When did it take place?
You've obviously scared DVP quite badly by posting it. When he completely ignores something, you know it is Kryptonite to him.
How about it, Davey? Kind of an odd statement Baker makes right at the end there, eh what?
Jim made it up. I suspect he was trying to be funny.
I see. I wish people would give a little warning to tell us when something is not genuine.
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One should also be aware in reading this bumped thread that the WCC did not make 6.5mm Carcano ammunition that was "loaded with...bullets that were .264" in diameter." As I believe I indicated elsewhere in a thread on this forum, the 6.5mm Carcano ammunition manufactured by the WCC, and in particular the bullet component, was constructed utilizing specifications from Italian ballistic drawings/schematics supplied to Western by the U. S. Army Ordnance Department, diagrams acquired by the army as part of the massive quantities of "paperwork" confiscated by Allied forces during their liberation of Europe in 1944, 1945. I possess 60 rounds of this ammunition, from three different lot numbers, and the average bullet diameter size is just slightly over .2677".
Following the assassination, SA Robert A. Frazier of the FBI had in his possession CE399, a 6.5mm Carcano bullet made by the Western Cartridge Co., plus the unfired 6.5mm Carcano cartridge found in C2766, also made by the Western Cartridge Co. On top of this, the FBI also purchased several boxes of WCC 6.5mm Carcano cartridges.
As part of his testimony to the WC, Frazier stated the dimensions of these WCC 6.5mm Carcano bullets that he had measured in his laboratory.
What diameter do you think he found the WCC bullets to be, and do you believe his measuring was accurate?
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It's a matter of timing, Dave, plus the fact Oswald was seen by a receptionist on the 2nd floor. Whomever Baker saw on the 4th floor (wearing a jacket that Oswald did not own) could not have been LHO, as he could not be seen by the receptionist PLUS be on the 4th floor.
Add to this it would look very suspicious for Oswald to have descended only two storeys in the time it took Baker to make his way to the 4th floor.
Fritz's notes, written to appear to be hastily jotted down during an interview, were actually written a week after the assassination. Bogus, and not a reliable source.
Why was Truly's affidavit taken on the 23rd, while almost every other TSBD gave their affidavits on the 22nd?
Not only was the interview with Curry filmed on the 23rd, at no point does Curry say where the encounter with Baker and Oswald took place. It could have been at the front door, for all we know. No matter, by the 23rd, the conspiracy was taking shape nicely. If this interview with Curry had taken place on the afternoon of the 22nd, I might take you seriously.
You got nothin', Dave.
You lost me on the line I've highlighted, Bob. Where did you get this? If I recall, Fritz's notes were only discovered after his death.
So why in heck would he make bogus notes, and write them in a manner suggesting they were original notes, and then fail to do anything with them?
From the Warren Commission testimony of Capt. J.W. "Will" Fritz, Dallas Police Dept:
"Mr. FRITZ. I don't remember whether there was anyone else right at that time or not.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what you said to Oswald and what he said to you?
Mr. FRITZ. I can remember the thing that I said to him and what he said to me, but I will have trouble telling you which period of questioning those questions were in because I kept no notes at the time, and these notes and things that I have made I would have to make several days later, and the questions may be in the wrong place."
Yes, the notes were only discovered after Fritz's death. I would estimate he wrote them, and wrote them in the manner he did, just on the off chance any agency ever demanded to see them. As it turned out, such a demand never arose.
The mere fact the notes were written "several days later", once the alteration of evidence was well under way, calls into question their authenticity. As you yourself said, why make bogus notes, and attempt to make them appear hastily jotted down, several days after the assassination?
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Mark Lane: Mr. Baker, do you know the difference between a stair well and a lunch room?
Baker: Yes.
Lane: Let me show you a picture of a stairwell. (Shows him a stairwell in the TSBD)
Now, let me show you the lunchroom on the second floor.
Did you have any problem seeing those?
Baker: No.
Lane: Now, if I showed you the third floor stairwell or the fourth, do you think they would look different?
Baker: No.
Lane: Now, let me show you the photo of the lunch room again. Do you notice there is a door ajar here, do you notice the furniture, do you notice the soda machine?
Baker: Yes.
Lane: Now did you notice any of those things on the stair well photo?
Baker: No.
Lane: Have you ever in your entire life seen a stair well with this kind of furniture in it?
Baker: No.
Lane: Was there any door window on the stairwell that you looked through to see Oswald?
Baker: No.
Lane: So how could you possibly confuse one with the other?
Baker: Well, it wasn't easy. But I wanted to keep my job. I mean you saw what happened to Roger Craig.
Hi Jim
I've never seen this exchange between Mark Lane and Baker before. When did it take place?
You've obviously scared DVP quite badly by posting it. When he completely ignores something, you know it is Kryptonite to him.
How about it, Davey? Kind of an odd statement Baker makes right at the end there, eh what?
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It's a matter of timing, Dave, plus the fact Oswald was seen by a receptionist on the 2nd floor. Whomever Baker saw on the 4th floor (wearing a jacket that Oswald did not own) could not have been LHO, as he could not be seen by the receptionist PLUS be on the 4th floor.
Add to this it would look very suspicious for Oswald to have descended only two storeys in the time it took Baker to make his way to the 4th floor.
Fritz's notes, written to appear to be hastily jotted down during an interview, were actually written a week after the assassination. Bogus, and not a reliable source.
Why was Truly's affidavit taken on the 23rd, while almost every other TSBD gave their affidavits on the 22nd?
Not only was the interview with Curry filmed on the 23rd, at no point does Curry say where the encounter with Baker and Oswald took place. It could have been at the front door, for all we know. No matter, by the 23rd, the conspiracy was taking shape nicely. If this interview with Curry had taken place on the afternoon of the 22nd, I might take you seriously.
You got nothin', Dave.
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A MISTAKE???? For Pete's sake, he only went up ONE floor! How could he possibly believe he had arrived at the 4th floor??
Maybe it was because of the way the TSBD's stairways were constructed. Perhaps someone better informed of the way the stairs were configured can chime in on this....but didn't it take two "sets" of L-shaped stairs to constitute a whole flight of steps? Frankly, I've always been a little perplexed by the configuration of the TSBD stairwells.
Anyway, Marrion Baker made a mistake in his 11/22 affidavit. And anyone who thinks it was anything other than an honest mistake is a person bent on creating a conspiracy where none exists at all.
Here's the sixth-floor diagram....
Nice try, Davey, but probably one of the lamest posts you have ever come up with. You actually are trying to tell us that, as Baker made the turn, INSIDE the stairwell, from one set of steps to another, he believed he had arrived at the 2nd floor?
Baker made no mistake in his statement when he said he was on either the 3rd or 4th floor. The only mistake he made was allowing himself to be pressured into changing his memory to the 2nd floor lunch room.
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I have never seen a murder case with so much "mis-remembering" taking place within the space of one day.
Honestly, don't you think the very odd fact that the chest organs were removed prior to Custer taking x-rays of the chest would stand out very clearly in Custer's memory, for the simple fact the reason for taking chest x-rays was to try to locate and bullets lodged in the chest organs?
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Sad and shocking, and far too young to leave us.
Who saw Baker enter the TSBD?
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Well, that cinches it then. It passed the waitress test, so that must be Calvery in the Darnell still.