Robert Prudhomme

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You're funny, Martin.

Davey is like a Timex watch; takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. It might be amusing to watch him if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

Poor Davey, you just had to go and call him a clown.

Looking sillier by the day, Davey. Must be hard walking with no butt.

I take it, then, from that brilliant comment you just graced us with, Bobby, that you CAN prove that all the evidence connected with the murders of President John F. Kennedy and Dallas Patrolman J.D. Tippit is fraudulent. Correct?

I'm all ears. For some reason, you seem to think that my hind quarters are missing; but I have really good hearing. So let's hear that "proof" I've been waiting for forever. Any chance you'll be supplying any?

I only need one thing from you, Davey, and without that one tiny thing, the entire WC case falls to pieces.

As requested before, explain to me how a bullet entered JFK's back, approximately 1.5-2 inches to the right of the spinal midline, passed through his neck, and exited about the centre of his throat, after passing through the right side of his trachea, WITHOUT PASSING THROUGH THE RIGHT SIDE OF ONE OF HIS VERTEBRAE.

Big ears and no butt. You DO look silly.

Thanks, Greg. It has always fascinated me how someone such as Oswald, an avowed Communist, a defector to the USSR and someone whose mail was being monitored, could have ordered and received, by mail, a rifle, and not set off every single alarm designed to watch out for just such an occurrence.

Looking sillier by the day, Davey. Must be hard walking with no butt.

Hi Jim

Fascinating material. You really have been digging into this.

Question: Was LHO on the CIA's Watch List for mail interception at the time he supposedly ordered the rifle and pistol? And, if he was, what does this tell us about the CIA?

And this is Davey's fatal problem as a writer. HIs acceptance of the official record as sacred.

In Ian Griggs' book, No Case to Answer, which I wager Davey has never heard of let alone read, he goes after Brennan in a very original way.

Griggs was a former British detective, and he studied the line ups meticulously. In fact I have never seen anyone do as thorough a job on these line ups as Ian did. (See pages 85-90)

Now, the WC says Brennan was at a line up. Yet he could not even recall how many men were in the one he watched! I kid you not. He said there were 6 or 7. Not true. There were four.

He was then asked if there were any black men in the line up. He said he did not remember if there were any. Now, recall, this is Texas in 1963. And Kennedy has made a big move in civil rights and riots etc all over the TV box at night.

Griggs now goes through all the sources where Brennan should be named as watching a line up:

CE 2003 details the line ups and the witnesses, no mention of Brennan

Raw notes of DPD on the line ups. No mention of Brennan.

Affidavits of police officers who supervised the line ups. No mention of Brennan.

Testimony of witnesses to line ups. No mention of Brennan.

Some witness eh? The invisible man.

Your butt on a platter, DVP, and handed to you.

*SNICKER*

God, but it's fun watching DVP getting his butt handed to him. I can watch this all day.

One should also be aware in reading this bumped thread that the WCC did not make 6.5mm Carcano ammunition that was "loaded with...bullets that were .264" in diameter." As I believe I indicated elsewhere in a thread on this forum, the 6.5mm Carcano ammunition manufactured by the WCC, and in particular the bullet component, was constructed utilizing specifications from Italian ballistic drawings/schematics supplied to Western by the U. S. Army Ordnance Department, diagrams acquired by the army as part of the massive quantities of "paperwork" confiscated by Allied forces during their liberation of Europe in 1944, 1945. I possess 60 rounds of this ammunition, from three different lot numbers, and the average bullet diameter size is just slightly over .2677".

Following the assassination, SA Robert A. Frazier of the FBI had in his possession CE399, a 6.5mm Carcano bullet made by the Western Cartridge Co., plus the unfired 6.5mm Carcano cartridge found in C2766, also made by the Western Cartridge Co. On top of this, the FBI also purchased several boxes of WCC 6.5mm Carcano cartridges.

As part of his testimony to the WC, Frazier stated the dimensions of these WCC 6.5mm Carcano bullets that he had measured in his laboratory.

What diameter do you think he found the WCC bullets to be, and do you believe his measuring was accurate?

Slightly off topic, Davey but, you never did explain to me how the Magic Bullet made it through JFK's neck without going through a vertebra.

Now, back to Jim and the rifle!

Go Jim!

jfkfacts.org

I just read something at another forum, and wondered if there was anything to it.

According to this person, JFK had pulled a muscle in his back quite badly in September of 1963. To alleviate the pain, a special back brace was made for him out of canvas, rubber and vinyl. This second brace, worn under the brace he earler was given, reputedly covered him from shoulder to groin.

This is supposed to explain why the back wound was shallow. It seems this second back brace acted like a bullet proof vest, absorbing most of the bullet's energy and allowing it to only penetrate an inch in JFK's back.

Anyone heard of this?

As I recall, the two newspapers Oswald was holding in the backyard photos were US published communist newspapers--I think one was The Worker, and the other was The Militant--but as I recall, they were from factions whose views of communism actually opposed one another.

EDIT: The Daily Worker was a newspaper published by Communist Party USA, and The Militant is a newspaper published by the Socialist Workers Party...a Trotskyist group, as I understand it. CPUSA was more Stalinist-oriented.

@Mark Knight: Many thanks for the quick response Mark.

Back to Mausers for a minute:

@Robert Prudhomme: I had a close look at the picture of the stamp that you posted, and I notice that underneath the "Mauser Modelo Argentino 1891" is written "Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabrike Berlin".

So I guess we can safely say that (at least that particular weapon) was made in Germany (and not in Argentina) and expressly for the Argentine market (presumably for the government). I wonder if the ones adopted by the other South American countries had the identical stamp, or if they were "personalised" for the target market?

One small correction, it was the 7.65mm Argentine Mauser, not the 8.65mm.

These rifles were initially and exclusively manufactured in Germany. Later on, Mauser allowed their manufacture, under contractual licence, in countries other than Germany. I believe the "Modelo Argentino" was universal in South American countries, although this rifle was also known, in Europe, as the "Belgian Mauser", due to this country adopting this calibre and model of rifle.

As I stated earlier, it was typical of Mauser to stamp the model of the rifle on the receiver, but not the calibre.

Well, I blew that one. I phoned the number for Jim Little in Plano, Texas just a couple of minutes ago and, just as I was explaining that I was a JFK researcher, he told me he was not interested and hung up on me. I guess all we can do now is write to him. Anyone manage to find an address for him?

Oh, brother, another JFK myth shot down.

Robert,

Maybe someone should politely and discretely ask Karan Hicks, Karen Westbrook, Carol Reed, or Gloria's former co-worker at the tire store, Dana Herring, whether or not the "Gloria Calvary" [sic] on Elm Street was the Gloria Jean Little / Gloria Jean Calvery they knew. Or, heck, even contact her brother, Jim Little, in Plano / Dallas...

--Tommy

That would definitely prove things beyond a doubt, although I believe the odds of another Robert Calvery marrying another Gloria Jean Little in Dallas, Texas are almost too astronomical to consider.

So, where does this leave us? According to her statement. she was watching the motorcade, along with Westbrook, Hicks and Reed, on the north side of Elm St., about halfway between Houston St. and the Triple Underpass.

It is not hard to recognize, from the back side, the blonde haired Hicks and Reed in her scarf but, is it possible that really is Calvery with her back to us, and another woman altogether in the lower photo who Mr. Speth has mistaken for Calvery, simply because of the similarity of her attire? Did Calvery take off for the TSBD as soon as the shots started?

Oh, brother, another JFK myth shot down.

Seriously, who did ID Calvery?

Interesting, and possibly a real game changer. If everything you guys have uncovered is correct, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, the woman ID'ed on Elm St. as Gloria CalvEry (lol) may not be her after all. Does this woman look anything like Gloria J. Little?

The limo must have been stopped for longer than we thought, if Darnell and Couch did not start filming until 20 seconds after the fatal head shot.

If that is Truly, and Baker was off his motorcycle and running for the TSBD within seconds of the third shot, I would hazard a guess that Truly made his way to the TSBD even before the shooting began.

Hey, you and your pal Dunckel are the ones doing the whining. Seriously, if we're all such idiots, why waste your time here?

GARY MACK SAID:

Hi Dave,

I honestly don't know how you have the patience with some of these guys. Some recent CT posts on these pages have serious evidence and logic problems.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

You can say that again, Gary. It borders on the unbelievable (and the bizarre).

GARY MACK SAID:

The Texas Portal pics ARE the original DPD negatives and pictures and they show the same things that appear in the early Tom Alyea/WFAA films. All other pictures were shot after 3:30 that afternoon - including those by Jack Beers - AFTER some boxes were moved.

The images showing a box on the window ledge show the scene AS FIRST FOUND. Many people have squatted at the SN window in the decades before the Museum had to close access to the area, but there was certainly room for a shooter. In fact, according to a home movie I filmed in 1988, I had to stand up a little for the early shot (Jack White and Robert Groden were there too, and it'd be great to include the film in a TV doc someday).

As a result, the Howlett/SS frame that folks are using shows a later shot because of the gun angle down the street and the lack of an elevation adjustment for it. The SS film, as you know, was made long before investigators had full knowledge of how the assassination happened, so Howlett's feet and shoulder positions cannot be used for accuracy conclusions AT THAT MOMENT.

Gary

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Thanks for your input, Gary (as always).

If you and your pal Gary are so upset about the CT's here, here is a piece of good advice:

LEAVE AND DON'T COME BACK, OR JUST STOP YOUR WHINING

Dave

Have you ever been beside a rifle when it was fired? i don't mean behind it, I mean up beside the barrel or even slightly ahead of it.

Well, have you?