Glenn Nall

49 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Mr. FRAZIER - Not any [blood or similar material] which would interfere with the examination,...

wow. "which would interfere with...," as opposed to "which would assist us with...".

absolutely hilarious in either its commentary on the primitive state of criminal procedure in the early sixties and/or the apparent primitive state of Frazier's mind.

thanks for this. very illuminating, in particular the engravings and the lack of same... hmmm

I've glanced at those images before, and past them by. looking at them more closely, there seems to be a problem. yet another one.

1 hour ago, Pamela Brown said:

No.  In addition, CE399 really has no provenance, so we don't know where it actually came from.

thank you, Pamela - 

I was pretty sure it didn't physically trace to Connally or Kennedy; I was answering a question in Quora (there are oceans of JFK questions in Quora since the recent files release)... wanted to be sure.

and to be clear, CE399 DID ballistically trace to the MC rifle (which doesn't amount to a hill of beans, of course...), right? just not its "post-muzzle"  history...? 

was CE399 definitively connected to either JFK or John Connally via tissue, or by any other means?

3 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

This story is so deeply rooted in long-standing biases. Sometimes, we seek straightforward and "linear" explanations.   I don't know how to say this more profoundly, but labeling the bad guys (or the erstwhile patriots) as "CIA or military" is too simplistic.

I'm convinced personally (cant prove it) that Harvey was one of them.  He was many things in his career and life -- a lawyer, FBI, CIA (maybe he was a devote Catholic at one time) -- but I think he ran his own show with a lot of impunity.   He was not someone to be "managed" when RFK put his thumb down on the excesses.   His bosses sent him away, and purportedly exiled him in Rome.   But Harvey ran with gangsters and thugs ... I'm sorry, but John Roselli was not an all-American mafiaso;. he was a criminal.   The ends did not justify the means. 

My point is ... Harvey is not simply "CIA".  He operated outside of the law, made his own rules, and drank in excess.  Perhaps I could be lambasted for saying this on the Forum, but there are many honorable and hard-working people who represent CIA and FBI ... and to associate this guy with those agencies is an insult to them.  

Amen. It's why Tony Summers referred to these people as a "renegade element" on the cover of Conspiracy instead of just "US intelligence" as a whole.

I find it pretty rare to come across someone who actually thinks the Agency, or Army Intel, or ONI from the top down "did it."

And, yeah, Harvey was a real piece of work. And I do not know how members of the Outfit/Mafia got so glamorized. They were - are - slugs. Period. They wear thousand dollar suits and big diamonds, they're still thugs and slugs in nice suits - they still leave greasy trails behind them...

200 feared dead after tunnel "collapses" at North Korean nuclear test site, Japanese TV claims

"collapses."

right.

(our industry of secret surveillance agencies at work?)

"tired mountain syndrome" they call it.

of course, I could be wrong...

3 hours ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

I have tried to attach a CIA document https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=146988 in Microsoft word format after my first attempt at repairing it. I decided my eyes were pretty good at character recognition but also that my brain might recognise patterns to fill in the blanks. As it is a CIA document I assumed it would contain cryptonyms but alas the only one I thought I could recognise was AMSPELL. I haven't looked deeply into the records released and some of the illegible documents don't look like they can be saved. I suspect some aren't even genuine text. The one I have chosen is tantalising to me, as I suspect someone with greater CIA document knowledge would see more in it than I do, and someone with greater I.T skills could take advantage of the visible marks that may be converted back into discernable letters.

DOC 104-10211-10186.docx

see if these help (right-click, Save link as):

cia-doc-contrasted-frosted-70.png

cia-doc-contrasted-frosted-80.png

cia-doc-contrasted.png

1 minute ago, Michael Clark said:

It is likely, I think, that he can, like many of us, put to rest conspiracy theories because he, like many of us, know that there was a conspiracy. I am sure he knows that there was a conspiracy. He is not even being dishonest with that statement. Conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy is not in the realm of theory, it is a fact. Only the manner, motives and actors are in the theoretical realm.

that was my thought, too, that that's maybe what he meant between the lines - it didn't sound convincing enough the way he tweeted it, but that very well could be the case. I don't think he buys the LN stuff...

I just RTed him, "Cmon Mr President, you know that's not the reason..." 

and I was just kidding about the numbered answers.

I wonder why it ever came up about Mr Cruz last year (before DT so recklessly repeated it), but for the fact that Ted was in the spotlight - but Joe's synopsis earlier makes decent sense.

2 minutes ago, Hugo Langendoen said:

He said that on Twitter about the last 300 documents. A Dutch newspaper reported it and I checked his twitter to see if it was true. 

“After strict consultation with General Kelly, the CIA and other Agencies, I will be releasing ALL #JFKFiles other than the names and...

...addresses of any mentioned person who is still living. I am doing this for reasons of full disclosure, transparency and...

...in order to put any and all conspiracy theories to rest.”

ah - well and good. I do not believe he is anti-conspiracy, though. that last part may have just been lip-service.

34 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Six questions:

1. Does it look like him?

2. Is there evidence that it is him?

3. Is there some reason that it cannot be him?

4. Is it plausibly him?

5. Is there some reason that it makes it likely that it is him?

6. Do you think it's him?

 

My answers:

Yes

No

None that I know of.

Yes

i don't know enough

Yes

great stuff - absolutely on point. funny, too.  

wish you'd have numbered those answers, tho, so I could keep them all straight...

39 minutes ago, Hugo Langendoen said:

Btw I think it is “funny” that now-President Trump used this allegation in his campaign. And I just read that he will relaease all the closed files (with only names and addresses of living persons marked out) to stop the conspiracy theories. 

So somewhere there is a little discrepancy. Seems to me that he changed his mind now he is president.  Or maybe the intelligence services made him change his mind? At least it makes me wonder....

um. where did you read this...?

Admiral Woolsey just said (on some news channel that I know few of you were watching) that he knows that at the time the common thought of CIA supervisors and agents was this:

that Khrushchev was deeply incensed at Kennedy over the Missile Crisis and/or the BOP, and that he made the orders to have K. killed, and during the buildup of this plan that he "got cold feet" and ordered the discontinuation of said plan - 

and that all involved personnel followed his orders -

except for one. I won't say his name, but his initials are Lee Harvey Oswald (he didn't say that part, I did.)

Woolsey also stated that it was just a theory, that he doesn't necessarily subscribe to it, but that he is open to it, just like he's open to other reasonable theories.

hu...

I'm thinkin' that, as Hoover et al didn't want the public to be afraid of the Reds who may have killed our President (his reasoning) when they held power, now that the Communist Party is little more than a boys club outside of their own little world, it's quite safe to float that theory around like so much Greek mythology - toss it out there and see what it sticks to...

just a little curious item on yet another "mysterious" death...

obviously it's probably nothing, but still interesting. An 18 year old friend of JD Tippit's son, soon after riding in a car with him and two others, was shot dead on a sidewalk in Dallas Jan 20, 1968. The shooter then chased the other three in their automobiles, after which the shooter, for some exceptionally stupid  reason - or to turn himself in?, returned to the shooting site where the police were investigating.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/T Disk/Tippit J D Son-Brother/Item 03.pdf

I'm sure some of you have already seen this. but whatever...

11 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I'm just kind of surprised he didn't brush more often.

12 minutes ago, Glenn Nall said:

But I think most fair minded people would accept it as probable fact if not challenged by the statements of the other squadron members

so, how many other squadron peers of his - both from Atsugi and wherever it was in California - have made statements as to his Russian...?

its a fair question, just as my earlier point was fair - not absolutely correct or incorrect, just fair. I'm not trying to argue or debunk anything.

28 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

From the affidavit of Erwin Lewis:

“It was a matter of common knowledge among squadron members that [Oswald] could read, write, and speak Russian.”
 

I disagree with you Glen. The statement would show in a courtroom that Erwin Lewis himself had knowledge that Oswald "could read, write, and speak Russian.” And that his impression was that others around him had the same knowledge.

If an opposing lawyer objected to Lewis's characterization as hearsay, the other lawyer would rephrase his question and get the results that I just claimed.

Regardless, we are not in a court of law. If you want to wish away Lewis's claim for whatever reason, that's your business. But I think most fair minded people would accept it as probable fact if not challenged by the statements of the other squadron members.

 

 

 

First, I'm not at all wishing away his claim - I'm simply pointing out that some things we think are "proof" are not necessarily proof.

For instance, the first question I ask myself is "what does he mean by 'common knowledge?' Did HE see or hear Oswald's fluency in Russian?" IF he didn't, but bases his knowledge solely on what others "know," then it's not really knowledge - it's something along the lines of a high or low probability. That's it.

In other words, if he did not see it for himself, then he heard it from someone or some place else. And that won't fly.

And since it's in the form of physical evidence, to even get into court it would probably have to pass a judge's scrutiny first. And I think it would be seen as hearsay unless the guy was prepared to swear he knew this first-hand. But he didn't say that in the statement, so...

And having been in a US Navy squadron (VA 105, NAS Cecil Field) at about that same age, along with the all the guys I hung out with, I remember quite well how "knowledge" got passed around. We were young and adventurous.

I am NOT saying that O didn't know Russian. I've just read enough to put me right on the fence on whether he did, whether there were two of him and how well either one of him spoke it. Until I eventually find something that convinces me one way or the other.

But i surely don't put stock in anyone who says "everybody knew it - that's how I know." That's just not good enough for me.

I know we're not in a court of law, but i know what hearsay is, and I know why it's usually not admissible (there are certain types of hearsay that is allowed).

EDIT >>

You know, now that I think about it, in some ways this kind of stuff - sworn statements given to a Presidential Commission - is under more legal scrutiny that were it in a trial - this is on the pretense that the Commission gave a rat's xxx about truth, of course.

57 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Glenn - do you recall what I said that led you to this conclusion? Or perhaps it's something personal, perhaps in an old thread. I've actually stated my position many times on many threads. You are just plain wrong. It's not at all semantics to argue that the members of the CIA or any other organization don't march in lockstep. Do you honestly think that Dulles and Helms and whoever knew everything that Angleton was up to? Can I suspect a cabal that was not limited to members of one particular agency or military branch or limited to those in and out of officialdom without being labeled by you a CIA apologist? If you had really read my most recent posts you would know what I really think, and wouldn't be instead labeling me in a way no one here would support.

knowing how defensive you can get, Paul, I was mostly just joshing with you...

there was a post a couple of weeks ago - by Sandy, I think, but I'm not sure - where was said something about someone "working with" or "working for" the CIA and you promptly "corrected" this assertion by saying that this someone was not an Agent, when that's not was said at all.

that's what I mean by "semantics."

I won't bother looking for it for you, though. I shouldn't even be saying this.

18 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

A destroyed vault and cracked open casket

this is in the book, David? I've only read the first few chapters - and not because I lost interest or discounted it, but because I distract easily.

I'll have to get back to it to read about this...

On 8/18/2017 at 10:46 AM, Dawn Meredith said:

Agreed.  The level of anger here is hard to take.  Have any of these naysayers actually read Harvey and Lee?  Jim it is very admirable of you to continue to support this evidence with so many posters attacking you.

Dawn

Hi Dawn -

I know you've said you're friends with Richard Bartholomew (right?) - I wonder if you'd be willing to facilitate an email to him, from me, if possible. I surely don't want to badger him with questions but to simply send my appreciation for some of his work. And perhaps a question or two, but nothing more...

Sorry to ask you this way, but i couldn't get a PM to you...

Very Grateful,
GlennNall
atgmail

"It was a matter of common knowledge among squadron members..."

huh. You know what that means, right?

It means that a number of squadron members "knew" something to which no single squadron member could attest to have seen.

Otherwise known, in the US Navy, as "gouge."

Mere rumor.

That statement would likely have no value in a courtroom. It's pretty much what they call hearsay, isn't it. "Well, yes, I know this because everybody knows it. Bill told me himself, and Bill's hardly ever wrong."

oops. it duplicated itself. ...

On 8/18/2017 at 5:30 PM, Michael Walton said:

At least for the most part the Lone Nutters are consistent with their story line.

Well, you gotta admit - they're fairly limited in possibilities with the "Oswald did it just like the Warren Commission SAYS he did it" rhetoric.

As you've so deftly pointed out, we, on the other hand - well, some of us - are only bound by our imaginations.

2 hours ago, David Josephs said:

I would suggest the POV that the CIA was the instigator of "Oswald in Mexico" which puts Hoover on the immediate defensive.

I don't think "Patsy" was the thought when Oswald starts working with Bannister... but "infiltration and intel" - just so happens that the bona fides for THAT job put Oswald squarely in the crosshairs for patsy status....

Real question...  Were Chicago and Tampa real or part of the set up in Dallas?

I agree with you, David. It's been my thoughts for a while that O thought he was into something - no telling if he thought he was (or actually was, at one point) obtaining long-preorganized Communist data, or FBI/CIA data on Alpha 66, Second Naval Guerrilla and/or other anti-Cuba Revolutionary groups, and I think that he did ultimately appear to somebody with a big scapegoat's head on his shoulders. And of course, he was the last person to find out, right around 12.30 pm on November 22, 1961.

Regarding Tampa, this is from R. Bartholomew's Possible Automobile "monograph" (what he calls it). John Martino's name comes up a lot regarding Florida and Cuban Casinos, and gun-running...:

Through [Nathaniel] Weyl [Martino's ghost writer for I Was Castro's Prisoner], Martino arranged for two ex-CIA agents on Pawley's payroll to attend a meeting in Fort Lauderdale of anti-Castro leaders designed to "find out what the CIA was doing" and report back to President Kennedy who "didn't trust the agency and felt he was receiving bad information." An initial meeting had already brought Martino together with fellow anti-Castro loose cannons Howard Davis, Eddie Bayo, and Gerry Patrick Hemming (Oswald's Marine buddy), in the office of Miami News editor Bill Boggs, a Kennedy confidant...

Life magazine's Dick Billings accompanied Pawley, Martino, William "Rip" Robertson, and the exile guerrillas, led by Bayo, on the mission [Operation Red Cross]. Billings would soon be stationed at Life's temporary bureau at the Adolphus Hotel in Dallas covering the Kennedy assassination, where he would aid Richard B. Stolley and C.D. Jackson in the negotiations to buy the Zapruder film.

Former Ambassador Pawley, who founded General Chenault's Flying Tigers, had also participated in the Guatemala coup, had co-authored the infamous Doolittle Report with his friend Allen Dulles, had pressured Eisenhower to give American support to the first anti-Castro exiles, and had persuaded Clare Booth Luce (Life Magazine) to finance anti-Castro guerrilla operations. An FBI report written years before the assassination described Martino as a "close friend" of Santos Trafficante. Bayo was reportedly involved in the July 1961 double assassination plot against Fidel and Raúl Castro run out of the Guantánamo Naval base. He later joined Alpha 66.

Henry Crown's name (President of General Dynamics, President of Hilton Hotels at some point, if my memory serves, and several other "things") floats around curiously in the way of mysterious ex-CIA men running his General Dynamics Security efforts, his connections with a couple of old-style Chicago bent-noses, AND as a Director of a Cuban Casino or two (Havana Hilton...).

BOTH Trafficante and especially Giancana had more Italian-made motivations to infiltrate Cuba (and hate Kennedy) than did other Mafia bosses. I'm sure you're aware that all of the gambling (both Vegas and Cuba) was controlled by Giancana, who it's appearing to me to be the HMIC (head mafioso in charge) of the entire bent-nosed country. You gotta know they weren't happy with Castro tossing all the slot machines into the ocean.

So, sure, there're plenty of links (many more than this, of course) to connect Tampa to this whole "bay of pigs" thing - probably not as heavily involved as any of the other entities, but surely involved. (Trafficante and Carlos Marcello - who O's uncle "Dutz" Murret worked for at times - did a lot of "business" together.)

As far as Chicago's connections, I have my own ideas why I think they were more involved, tactically or logistically, but i won't go into them here. I'm tired of typing and not getting any work done.

Ya'll leave me alone so I can work!!!

2 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Glenn, So anything short of a complete CIA -did-it theory is "defending the CIA" in your judgment?

good golly, Kirk. never mind.

you'll see his inclination to argue semantics sooner or later.

28 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

On 10/12/2017 at 8:47 AM, Glenn Nall said:

Glenn I know you've been here many times before. I don't know if you associate people's posts with their names.  But I do  and I have absolutely no idea why you saw fit to say that Paul B. has gone to great efforts "defending the CIA." Good one!

 

Associate people's posts with their names? huh?

You have no idea, or are you being facetious? Thank you, I think.

(I think it's common knowledge that Mr Brancato's defences of the Agency, as ambiguous as he thinks they are, precede him...)

Eddy, are these documents images - jpgs or gifs or pngs? Are they pdfs? 

If you'd post a couple of examples that I can download I can try a couple of things. This kind of stuff always interests me...

You can PM me and I'll give you my email address if you'd prefer that. I enjoy getting emails from real people who aren't trying to sell me Male Enhancement products or SootArounds.