Terry Mauro

Clendenin Ryan was a student at the School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University, at the same time I was (1956-60). He was one of my roommates in a off-campus house during that period, along with David Franke. Our house was the scene of laying the groundwork for the modern Conservative movement that was about to be born. From what I vaguely remember, as this occurred some 50 years ago, he was the son of Clendenin Ryan, and grandson of Thomas Fortune Ryan. During one of our talks, Clendenin told me that his father had contributed the beautiful stain glass window that adorns to this day the front of St. Patrick's on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. Clendenin, my former roommate, was tangentially involved in the founding of YAF. His contribution was in the area of activity, not in funding. YAF was founded by funds advanced by Charles Edison, son of Thomas Edison, for whom I worked following my graduation from Georgetown. Charles Edison, former governor of New Jersay and former Secretary of the Navy under FDR, had his home and office in the Towers of the Waldorf. His philosophy, which I have adopted to this day, is that the American Eagle must have two strong wings to fly a straight course: a left one and a right one. The right wing has been way too strong for the past 30 years; hopefully, the left wing will strengthen in 2008 and the Eagle will again soar straight-away. Clendenin Ryan, former roommate and friend, died from cancer in the late 1960's, on a date that I cannot pinpoint from memory. My guess is that he was under 30 years of age when he passed. I never met his father nor, of course, his grandfather. The posting above about his father's political activity comes as news as his son never mentioned any of this to me. ************************************************************** "His philosophy, which I have adopted to this day, is that the American Eagle must have two strong wings to fly a straight course: a left one and a right one. The right wing has been way too strong for the past 30 years; hopefully, the left wing will strengthen in 2008 and the Eagle will again soar straight-away." A wonderful and commendable sentiment, to be sure. But, I have little hope of ever seeing this ideal come to fruition again, Doug. Unfortunately, both parties have become too definitively melded to ever make a reasonable judgment call, in our lifetime. At least, that's how it appears from my P.O.V.

You need to substantiate these claims, otherwise that's all they are, or ever will be. I don't think I can verify my claims. No one would believe me. The policeman who took the phonecall that August night is probably dead by now. I don't remember the names of my neighbors. I only lived there a year. I do remember my best friends who witnessed this with me. Their names were Lawrence. I don't remember their mother or father's name. The kids were Cathy, Patty, Richie and Brian Lawrence. Palisades Park, NJ. 1967. My mother left my father that October. We snuck back to the house to get our stuff one day. I went to my friends' house and there were other people living there. No forwarding address. I think the mother left the father, as he was a violent alcoholic like mine. Both families disappeared into the blue. I don't remember the date of the UFO sighting. The second one I saw was metallic and was about 10 feet away from me. I could have touched it with a broom. I stared at that Goddamned thing to memorize it. Then it began to fade into the blue sky, seemingly without moving, until I couldn't see it anymore. Kathy ************************************************************* "The second one I saw was metallic and was about 10 feet away from me. I could have touched it with a broom. I stared at that Goddamned thing to memorize it. Then it began to fade into the blue sky, seemingly without moving, until I couldn't see it anymore." A lot of things can happen in a child's mind after suffering abuse at the hands of an alcoholic parent, and being forced to run like a thief in the night from their home in self protection.

_____________________________________ Richard Case Nagell _____________________________________ ***************************************************************** "Richard Case Nagell" Good call, Tom. You beat me to the punch.

************************************************************************ "Isn't it exceedingly odd that this article makes no mention of Guinn, without whom the problem would never have arisen? Isn't it odd that these intrepid investigators at the Post do not tell their readers that their own inquiries prove that the official explanation of the JFK assassination is full of holes?" Why would a bonafide "Mockingbird" rag, such as The Washington Post, cop to any journalistic "injustice" on their part, J. Ray? And, what about all those prisoners left to rot in jail on a miscarriage of justice committed because of Guinn's bumbling deductive analysis of an oversight?

******************************************************* "They could be on something though." I seriously doubt T.G. would be on anything stronger than aspirin. He's too young to have followed me through the hippie communes of NYC, and San Francisco. Besides, he's a Fascist and I'm a Socialist. We both reserve the right "to agree to disagree." Why don't you crawl back into your hole and put a lid on it, Bev.

I disagree in part because I saw 2 UFOs, once with a small crowd of people and once alone and very near to me physically. I believe what I saw last was our technology. What I saw first was some kind of hologram projected against the sky, in my opinion. It was definitely playing with us and scaring us. And the police lied when they told us it was a weather balloon. Bill Kelly brought up that Kennedy's Daily Briefs haven't been declassified. Why? Kathy *********************************************************** "I disagree in part because I saw 2 UFOs..." You need to substantiate these claims, otherwise that's all they are, or ever will be. I thought I saw one once, in 1976, looking through some long-range binoculars, in broad daylight, at 16:30 hrs PDT hovering over Coldwater Canyon, but nothing was showing up on the radar at L.A.X., and it might've been something I was smoking at the time, for all I know. But, later on in 1983, while watching some late night show on T.V. that dealt with U.F.O.'s, there was a drawing depicting the same "spinning-top" like shape, I had witnessed that autumn afternoon hovering over Coldwater Canyon, but it was a mere sketch that could've been taken off the drawing board at Andrews Air Force base, where this contraption had apparently been sighted. The data was inconclusive, and after having read a book David Lifton had lent me on the "Majestic" project, I came to believe that the gov't will hide behind the auspices of Project "Bluebook" as a way of covering up their own tracks with regard to any highly classified project they may be working on. Take it or leave it.

************************************************* Thank you, Mike. For remembrance of more halcyon days, when the joy of life seemed more readily attainable, when there was so much more in the way of simple pleasures for the taking, and the appreciation of life's beautiful treasures meant more than the price tag placed upon a consumable commodity. A happier Thanksgiving, maybe someday, for us all.

Terry, I'll admit that when I saw your name as the latest person replying to my post, my heart was in my throat. And then I found out you actually felt the same way. We agree on something -- the Holy Roman Empire! Thank you because your opinion means a lot to me. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does. Do you believe the Jesuits were involved in President Kennedy's assassination? I find on the Internet that a lot of people do -- but many of them are bible-thumpers, spouting a different religion. I remember Malachy Martin, a former Jesuit, who wrote books in the '70's about what he saw going on in the Vatican. I haven't read his books, but plan to do so. Kathy ************************************************************** "Terry, I'll admit that when I saw your name as the latest person replying to my post, my heart was in my throat." Well, if that Bishop in Rome, whatever the hell his name is, can get away with poisoning a Pope, who was about to alter the Church's stance on divorce and abortion, then I wouldn't put anything past them doing whatever the hell they pleased in order to maintain their oligarchy and its strangle-hold on the lives of the very people they manage to extort the money that keeps their farcical religious facade in place, in this day and age. Nothing like keeping people ignorant while maintaining the yoke of subservience around their necks, and whipping their asses all the way down the aisles to the pews they so readily contributed to, in building their "houses of the holy," while their children starved and went without shoes, just so they'd have an ostentatious house in which to worship, whom may I ask? Why do you think people cling to their "Catholic" churches? Because they've been brow-beaten into this submissive state of believing they're unworthy sinners, doomed to damnation in the fires of hell. Bull puckey!!! It's massive crowd control and manipulation, that's what it is. The only church I'd bother to lay my money down in would be one of the Second Baptist Churches. Want to know why? Because they're the black Baptist churches and they're the only ones believable enough to warrant my respect, or my money. And, at least they physically take care of their parishioners, taking them into the church and finding them homes to shelter them from the storm, no matter how poor they are. They manage to cleave together for the sake of the whole. Plus, they have the best and most uplifting choirs, singing the best gospel music in the world! Now, that's what I call a church! Not some damned mausoleum for some saint's bone of a relic. That ain't going to cure you! That's where I would venture to go if I ever needed spiritual healing and uplifting of my spirits. You don't have to be afraid of me. I'm just telling it like it is, Kath. I'm only out to eradicate ignorance, superstition, and cowardice of life, that's all.

***************************************************************** The U.S. gov't sure did a bang-up job of keeping Von Braun's Nazi origins under secure wraps all the while working on their space program, which BTW Eisenhower's original intents seemed mainly aimed for use in reconnaissance purposes and ICBM targets. NOVA had a great special on this very same topic on PBS [KCET in L.A.] either Wednesday or Thursday this past week. Thanks for posting this detail of Project Paperclip by Neufeld, Doug.

Around 1993 while we were having a major COPA conference in DC, the DOD released the Bluebook files and a special report by an Army unit, a few members of which then visited the COPA conference. A few years ago, when I began to call for Congressional Hearings on the JFK Act, the same group who recently did a gig at the National Press Club with military, FAA and other officials speaking on behalf of UFOs got total CSPAN coverage for their UFO conference, and COPA got nothing. Then we had one COPA conference in DC and when I got there I was surprised to see TV cameras and satalite dishes set up and thought we were finally getting some coverage when it turned out they were there for another conference, the National Society of Gay and Lesbian Journalists, and George Steponapolis - Gratz can correct the spelling - was the featured speaker who got all the publicity. Now, in still attempting to drum up interest in Congressional oversight hearings of the JFK Act, the news comming out of DC is that the UFOers want Congerssional Hearings on UFOs and the Republicans are calling for the opening of the Clinton White House files so they can rummage through Hillary's Health Commission files. Why no interest in the fact that JFK's Daily Briefing reports are still being with held from the public? Or that the JFK Assassination Records Act still has not had oversight hearings fifteen years after it was passed? Or that the CIA still won't abide by the act and is in court to keep from doing so? Oh, well, I guess UFOs and Hillary's dirty laundry are more important. BK Good post Bill. I have a few thoughts on what you said. 1] While I think there are some aspects of not-yet-identified-objects-that-fly that need exploration and explication, I agree they should not trump the JFK Assassination or 9/11 et al. The government plays with them as part of their Bread and Circus act. IMO...to keep people from looking at the really important things [not that I think 'ufo's' are without some lesser order of importance to explore, as mentioned elsewhere - but not likely extra-terrestrail...rather covert craft and technology from Earth]. 2] The idea of extraterrestrials is very appealing to a confused and discouraged populace. They would have, if they exist, have lived millions or billions of years longer than our civilazation, and I imagine most would hope they'd thus have some 'answers' to the mysteries of life, existance and the universe...i.e. substitutes for religion - or trumping religion....which leaves them still with the questions unanswered. 3] People love a mystery, and here we need to use this love for JFK, RFK, MLK and and 9/11 et al. Sadly the Govt. plays up the mystery on 'UFOs' and tries to say there is none on the real mysteries of the assassinations. 4] UFOs and those interested in them are used by the propaganda machinery to cast general doubts on anyone who sees a conspiracy or cover-up of anything....ironic as they are the very ones involved in the cover-ups of the conspiracies...but this is the reality we must deal with. 5] Sadly, Americans [and others in other cultures too] are all too much involved in the glamor/glitter/scandal/sex/star/junk news and not the political news. This is encouraged by the purposeful history and political vacuum in schools and media and to keep the average person's noses out of what the oligarchy and their minions feel is their soverign turf....manipulation of things via a few overt and many covert operations. 6] Some awareness of the above may help us to work around and past this sad state of things. ************************************************************ 3] People love a mystery, and here we need to use this love for JFK, RFK, MLK and and 9/11 et al. Sadly the Govt. plays up the mystery on 'UFOs' and tries to say there is none on the real mysteries of the assassinations. 4] UFOs and those interested in them are used by the propaganda machinery to cast general doubts on anyone who sees a conspiracy or cover-up of anything....ironic as they are the very ones involved in the cover-ups of the conspiracies...but this is the reality we must deal with. 5] Sadly, Americans [and others in other cultures too] are all too much involved in the glamor/glitter/scandal/sex/star/junk news and not the political news. This is encouraged by the purposeful history and political vacuum in schools and media and to keep the average person's noses out of what the oligarchy and their minions feel is their soverign turf....manipulation of things via a few overt and many covert operations. 6] Some awareness of the above may help us to work around and past this sad state of things. Excellent appraisal, Pete. There are no bloody, damned UFO's, only gov't cover ups for whatever new fangled contraption they're interested in spending the taxpayers' hard earned cash pursuing in the name of their utterly ridiculous defense program. Americans are hard-boiled idiots, raised on too much Hollyweird fluff and bull-puckey. We know it. When are they going to get their heads out of that proverbial place where "the sun don't shine," and wake up to the facts of REAL life?

That is your opinion, Tim. But I say it tells more about Catholic and Protestant-run religions than I could ever have imagined in my wildest dreams before this stuff became news. Tim, I think you are trying to undercut the significance of these molestations. It wasn't a rare incident. It involved hundreds of kids and billions of dollars. Think of these Archbishops who hid these crimes and moved their priests to other parishes. This definitely impugns the Catholic Church, as these crimes were known in the hierarchy. And the molesting priests donned their collars in their new parishes and received instant respect from their believers. Like I said, if I made up this story and turned it into a novel, readers would think it improbable. I don't even think a publisher would buy it. Even Midnight magazine wouldn't touch it! It seems to me that the higher ups who refrained from molesting kids, still understood the nature of the priesthood and the priests. That is why the priests were allowed to continue their ways, but in different parishes. I'm trying to say a grand majority of the higher ups are inclined in the same fashion. Maybe they should have turned it into a sacrament. Even Mother Angelica couldn't explain it. She said, paraphrased, "There's sex all over the media. Our poor priests have more temptation than ever." She was talking heterosexuality. What could she say to the child molestation? The media shows child molestation all over the place? No wonder she is sick. Holy Orders is a sacrament. She probably wonders how can they be breaking their vows. That old devil Lucifer. My maternal aunt was a nun, a Sister of Charity. In her parish a priest was found to be having an affair with a 13 year old boy. He also was caught stealing money from the Rectory safe. With these funds he was buying drugs. My aunt couldn't accept it. She said to me, "A prophet isn't known in his own land." Just couldn't accept it. I'm glad she didn't live to see all the destruction these priests have caused her religion. She broke down once and cried that because many priests are gay, people now think nuns are lesbians. Kathy ********************************************************** "That old devil Lucifer." This is the first mistake anybody makes when they kow-tow to organized religion. Why do you think organized religion was allowed to manifest its ugly head, in the first place? A simple way of controlling, manipulating, and separating ignorant people from their hard earned cash, which is just one reason out of millions. That is, before Operation Mockingbird was brought into being by the British and American O.S.S. in 1947, when they realized what a cash cow lay at their feet in the form of that new media "television." Visuals were the first stepping stones to "hypnotizing," and "brain-washing" masses of populations into being voluntarily controlled in front of a cathode ray tube, of their own free will, no less.

Just an fyi, its a poll so take it as you will: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.a...280109607660233 An America Divided Along Class Lines? 75% 'Haves' Say No By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 4:30 PM PT As Americans take time this week to count their blessings and think of others less fortunate, they can take comfort in knowing that those who put themselves in the latter category are far fewer than they probably realize. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBD Series: Uncommon Knowledge — What The Media Misses, Misrepresents, and Ignores -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contrary to politicians and even polls that claim the U.S. is a nation deeply split between "haves" and "have-nots," a new IBD/TIPP Poll finds that three of four of us (75%) consider ourselves "haves." This includes even those who make the least money. Fully 60% of those with incomes of $30,000 a year or less count themselves as "haves" vs. 34% who do not. The percentage of "haves" goes up to 62% among those with incomes between $30,000 and $50,000, to 83.5% between $50,000 and $75,000 and to 90% those over $75,000. Also contrary to conventional wisdom, a majority of Americans believe that "as a nation, we are materially better off today than we were 20 years ago." A solid 58% of the 924 adults surveyed from Nov. 2 to Nov. 8 were of that opinion vs. 37.5% who disagreed. All in all, the IBD/TIPP Poll paints a picture of Americans satisfied with — even thankful for — what they have and how much more they have now than a generation ago. This contrasts with the oft-heard positions of some politicians who see a widening gap between rich and poor and a need to close it. Chief among them is John Edwards, former U.S. senator and current candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, who has made the "Two Americas" the theme of his populist campaign. The IBD/TIPP findings also differ sharply with those of a similar poll taken in September by the Pew Research Center. When Pew asked, "Is America divided into 'haves' and 'have-nots'?" 48% answered "yes" and 48% answered "no." When it further asked, "If you had to choose, are you in the 'haves' or 'have-nots'?," 45% chose "haves" and 34% "have-nots." Another 21% didn't know or weren't sure. IBD/TIPP asked the question this way: "All things considered, do you consider yourself to be part of America's haves or part of America's have-nots?" The 30-percentage-point difference between IBD/TIPP and Pew on the have/have-not question is huge. According to IBD's pollster, Raghavan Mayur, president of TechnoMetrica Market Intelligence, the polls differed in several ways, including sample sizes, weighting schemes, answer options, question wording and survey content. Be that as it may, Pew made much of the divisions that it believed it found and the changes since Gallup polled on the subject 20 years ago. In a report titled "A Nation of 'Haves' and 'Have-Nots?," it observed that "over the past two decades, a growing share of the public has come to the view that American society is divided into two groups, the 'haves' and the 'have-nots.' "Of equal importance," it added, "the number of Americans who see themselves among the 'have-nots' has doubled over the last two decades, from 17% in 1988 to 34% today. "In 1988, far more Americans said that . . . they were probably among the 'haves' (59%) than the 'have-nots.' " The IBD/TIPP data, however, do not indicate that more Americans have drifted into the "have-not" camp. In fact, the 75% who consider themselves "haves" today vs. the 59% responding to the earlier Gallup survey suggest that more have joined the "haves." The fact that 58% believe we are materially better off also supports this finding. A closer look at the IBD/TIPP results finds very little difference in the way men and women or the various age groups categorize themselves. Wider differences are apparent among political affiliations, with Republicans splitting 82% to 12% among "haves" and "have-nots," Democrats at 68%-27% and independents at 77%-20%. Racial samples were too small to generalize about. But for the record, the breakdown for blacks and Hispanics was 71% "haves" and 29% "have-nots." (For whites, it was 76%-16%.) Among regions, the West had the most "haves," with 81%, and the Midwest had the least, with 67%. The poll also distinguished between "investors," 82% of whom said they were "haves." "Non-investors" came in at 63%. On whether the nation is better off now than in 1987, both Republicans and independents differed with Democrats. By a 76% to 23%, Republicans agreed we're better off (with 52% agreeing "strongly"), and independents agreed 60%-39%. But only 45% of Democrats agreed vs. 49% who didn't. Differences were also observed among regions, with the Northeast at 69% and the South at 62% agreeing more than the West (51.5%) and the Midwest (51%). Whites split 61.5% to 36% and blacks and Hispanics 52% to 39%. Sixty-five percent of investors think we're better off than 20 years ago vs. 34% who don't. Non-investors split 50% to 42%. Respondents over 65 were the only age group that didn't think things have improved. The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 3.3 percentage points. http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.a...280109607660233 ********************************************************** And, that's most likely due to the "dumbing down" process which has so perfidiously permeated the American consciousness since the death of the New Frontier, which in fact, became the empirical goal of Wall Street's baronial oligarchs. The majority of the population of the United States remains on the I.Q. level of that of sophisticated morons, who've been hoodwinked and bamboozled into believing they're the most highly educated, state of the art, intelligence-wise, consumers of what America has to offer, simply because they have adequate plumbing and electricity, if you really want to tear it down to the bare basics of the matter. If we're so high-minded and sophisticated, as we've been brain-washed into believing, then someone please explain to me how we've managed to have been persuaded to vote for a fascist, war-mongering, elitist, prejudiced, administration for the last 25 years, that's done nothing for this country, but bring it to its knees, while back-channeling our major industrial and manufacturing bases to a bunch of Third World backwaters, and for what purpose? Is anybody awake out there, or are we all just jerking off?

*************************************************************** Thank you, Don. And, The Spotlight was also the first to break the news of Operation Watchtower, the cocaine connection into the U.S., under the auspices of Bush, Sr. during his and Reagan's administrations.

*************************************************************** "Willis Carto, L. Fletcher Prouty, and the IHR Political Organizations & Activities" Nothing like whipping a dead horse, is there? Your tendency for this type of redundant rhetoric is starting to resemble nothing short of overkill. I think you are not getting my point. At Michigan State University last week the philosophical progeny of those who killed JFK then covered up for the crime, were all there, present and accounted for in person. The Pioneer Fund crowds via Paul Fromm and J. Phillipe Rushton, the Liberty Lobby crowd via David Duke's friends Richard Weems and John Rarick, the Holocaust Denial IHR crowd via that British National Party Politician, the Stormfront American Nazi Party crowd via Wigginton, none other than the YAF Young Republican crowds of Thurmond, Willoughby and Morris, the Canadian neo Right crowds from the World Anti Communist League and Linda Wayne's website. Don't you get it? Don't you even pay attention? Do you fail to see the evidence right before your eyes? They were all there, together, making common cause in front of the media spotlight for everyone and anyone to see. http://www.nizkor.org Wow, this is incredible. THEY are beating the SAME DEAD HORSE. THEY are playing the anti-Semitic Holocaust Denial card. THEY are beating the racist card. THEY are playing the YAF and The John Birch cards. THEY are beating the British Nationalist drum. THEY are beating the White Supremacist drum, playing the Stormfront and ANP cards, the Populist Party card, The Pioneer Fund Bell Curve cards, here in the USA because neither Canada nor England will let them do it. THEY are playing the Super Patriot card. And YOU are still blind to what they are doing? Wow. You really either don't get it or are just ignorant or blind to what is happening right before your rose colored glasses. Which is it? Go to YAFWatch.blogspot.com and listen to all the UTube videos and write down the names then take out a crayon and connect the dots and compare them to the Willis Carto IHR and Liberty Lobby list above. Thanks. *************************************************************** Populist Personnel The make-up of the advisory board of the PAC gives an idea of why such "populist candidates" would be promoted by the PAC. The members (and their descriptions) as of March 9, 1992 included: Abe Lincoln Austin (Monetary Scientist) Mike Blair (Investigative Reporter) Ken Bohnsack (Founder, Sovereignty) Robert Brock (Black Nationalist) Howard Carson (Publishing Consultant) Capt. G. Russel Evans (Historian) Lt. Col. James (Bo) Gritz (US Army, ret.) Dr. Martin A. Larson (Author) Roger Lourie (President, Devin-Adair publishing) Donald A. MacPherson (Constitutional Attorney) Pauline Mackey (Treasurer, ret. David Duke for President) Tom McIntyre (Former Chairman, Populist Party) Eustace Mullins (Author) John Nugent (Financial Consultant) Lawrence Patterson (Editor & Publisher, Criminal Politics) Col. L. Fletcher Prouty (US Air Force, ret.) John Rakus (President, National Justice Foundation) John Rarick (Former Congressman, D-Louisiana) Vince Ryan (Editor, The Spotlight) Sherman Skolnick (Chairman, Committee to Clean Up the Courts) Maj. James H. Townsend, Ret. (Editor & Publisher, The National Educator) James P. Tucker (President, National Media Services) Tom Valentine (Host, Radio Free America) Raymond E. Walk (President, Rayan Associates, Inc.) Robert Weems (Founding Chairman, Populist Party) No, you don't get it! Some of the above mentioned couldn't get published through the mainstream "Mockingbird" media, when they decided to blow the whistle, and therefore had to resort to being published through Liberty Lobby/Noontide Press. If it hadn't been for the availability of Prouty's works through this house, I never would've been able to have access to his material or his works. O.K. mods. I deleted the ad hominen. You can allow this post to go up now.

***************************************************************** "I do not mean to pat myself on the back here but contrast my exchanges with Robert Charles-Dunne. Even though he is often sarcastic and sometimes even condescending, his writing is often so clever and humorous that even I enjoy it though I am the target of his sarcasm. Moreover, he challenges me to support MY posts with facts (we are now enngaged in a somehat arcane discussion of whether Judy Eisenhower was Barry Goldwater's chief of staff or merely his top administarive assistant). I think accurate facts are important to the discussion (there are too many myths and misstatements circulating about the case) and the best way to get the truth out is through this give and take. If I was wrong about Mrs. Eisenhower's position, it is to Mr. Charles-Dunne's credit that he caught my error and he deserves kudos not condemnation for it. If on the other hand the facts should bear out my position, I have the confidence that he has the intellectual integrity that he will admit I was right. In either event, with respect to the debate going on in that thread, it is important to pin down when Mrs. Esisenhower started working for BG and in what capacity. If I was wrong and had Mr., Charles-Dunne not challenged me on it, my error would have gone undetected." Excellent, my favorite Fascist, excellent!!! That's what I love about you, and especially yours and RCD's debates. They're an education, in and of themselves. Now, that's an "attaboy" for T.G. and R.C.D. Your, Femme Nikita

*************************************************************** "Willis Carto, L. Fletcher Prouty, and the IHR Political Organizations & Activities" Nothing like whipping a dead horse, is there? Your tendency for this type of redundant rhetoric is starting to resemble nothing short of overkill. Crash and burn.

***************************************************************** "See: Right Woos Left by Chip Berlet in your internet browser today about The Liberty Lobby and the Institute for Historical or Hysterical Revisionism which is sometimes known as the Institute for Historical Review. IHR owned by that great American Patriot Willis Carto... Oh never mind." Chip Berlet is a pinhead, much the same as you're beginning to come across as, yourself. If Prouty ignored you it was most likely because he already had a bead on you, and a dossier as well. Put that in your magic twanger, Froggie! John Bevilaqua Personal history John Bevilaqua was born as John Horvath in Washington, D.C., in 1947. He is currently living in North Providence, RI, where he works as an independent computer consultant. He describes his work as using "computerized database management and analysis techniques for New England corporations as well as applied to the Kennedy assassination." (Testimony to ARRB, 18 November 1994, Dallas) He grew up in Miami, FL, where he attended grammar school at St. Michael's of the Archangel, graduating in 1961, and high school at Christopher Columbus High School, graduating in 1965. In high school he was known as a fine boy, and very smart. He also played on their basketball team. He then enrolled in Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts, from which he graduated in 1969. He was a Harvard classmate of both Al Gore and Tommy Lee Jones. Bevilaqua's father was Lawrence Horvath, was born in Hungary, with the surname of his stepfather. He later changed the family's surname to his biological father's surname, Bevilaqua, when he learned that his father was still alive. Lawrence was fired from the patent office in Washington during the McCarthy hysteria of the early fifties because of his pro-Communist views. He moved his family to Miami, Florida, where John grew up. As a result of his father's experience, John Bevilaqua has become a hater of Fascists and neo-Nazis, which he sees everywhere. He is crusading against them and anyone else whom he considers to be using their techniques. In the mid-1990s he wrote a document entitled "Red Scares, White Power and Blue Death," which is based on "personal observation and experience in Miami, Florida, with anti-Castro Cuban exiles of Alpha-66 and the 30th of November Movement, as well as the investigations that I have carried out in the ensuing years." He typically writes and posts messages under aliases, some related to Naziism. Sometimes he writes under one alias and sends back a congratulatory note under another. A partial list of his aliases includes Michael Kensington (1992), John McLoughlin (1992 to present), Bill Patterson (Oct–Nov 1993), John McArthur (Oct–Nov 1993), Dave Henderson (Nov 1993), Bob Krieble (Nov 1993), Eric Gunderson (Nov–Dec 1993), Kurt Reston (Dec. 18, 1993), Eric Langford (Aug 1994), David R. Mitchell (Aug 1994), David Morgan (December 1994), Jan Mirilovich (1996), James R. Henderson (May 98 to June 99), Tom Jefferson (1997), Igor Beaver (Feb1996), Bill Thomas (April 1996), Richard Elvin Giesbrecht (December 2000), Richard L. Giesbrecht (Nov 2000), and Dr. Hans Eysenck (early 2001). In the early 1990s, he was cut off from the JFK Forum on CompuServe for sending threatening messages to Bill Adams, Dave Stager, and Gordon Winslow. Several times he would reenter under a different alias, only to be cut off again. He is presently pushing three "causes": the evils of Fascism/Naziism in the world as a whole, Fascists/Nazis as the agent of JFK's assassination, and my (K. Rahn's) [and, I'm not even an advocate of Rahn's, in fact I can't stand his methodology. But, he sure in hell had you pegged! My emphasis. TM] allegedly dangerous beliefs about the assassination and allegedly illegal, Nazi-like approach to teaching my URI course on the assassination. (Yes, you read that last part right!) The following sections consider each of these causes in turn. Naziism in the present world John Bevilaqua is waging war on the Far Right, which he refers to variously as Nazis and Fascists. We will use these terms interchangeably. Among the organizations he considers Fascist are the John Birch Society, the Christian Crusade, Alpha-66, the World Anti-Communist League, the American Security Council, the Anti-Communist Liaison Committee of Correspondence, and, most importantly, the Pioneer Fund. Persons he considers Nazi sympathizers and/or participants in the JFK hit include (verbatim) "Dr. Robert J. Morris, Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, Major General Charles A. Willoughby, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith, Brig. Gen. Bonner Fellers, Ray S. Cline, Wickliffe P. Draper, William H. Draper, Jr., Anastase Vonsiatsky, Edwin A. Walker, Otto F. Otepka, Ronald Gostick, Allen Dulles, John S. Rarick, Patrick Walsh, Andrij Melnyk, Yaroslaw Stetsko, James J. Angleton, Major George Racey Jordan, Senator Barry Goldwater, and Richard Nixon." Another prominent Nazi is our current president George W. Bush. His father, George H. W. Bush, and Richard Nixon surrounded themselves with Nazi advisors like Robert Haldemann and John Erlichmann. "Nazi brain scientists" (those who control people's minds) include Dr. Hans J. Eysenck, Wickliffe P. Draper, Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, me, Prof. John McAdams (who heads the political science department at Marquette University and teaches a course in the JFK assassination), and San Francisco eye surgeon and professor Dr. Gary Aguilar. From the above list, Bevilaqua holds Drs. Robert Morris and Revilo P. Oliver in particular contempt. Here is a direct quote from one of Bevilaqua's posts: "Robert J. Morris (1917-1997) [was] one of the world's most truly demented beings who ever walked the earth. He was part of the American Security Council along with Angleton, Cline and Willoughby and was identified by Mae Brussel and Bill Turner as being one of the plotmasters and JFK murder lynchpins. He was also identified by pudgy woosy boy Whittaker Chambers who framed Alger Hiss as being "the real brains and power behind McCarthyism" at the time of Morris' obituary." In another post, Bevilaqua went on to note that Robert J. Morris had a long career devoted to conservative causes: Former president of the University of Dallas, in Irving. Chief counsel of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Internal Security from 1951 to 1953 and 1956 to 1958, "a period when the United States was tormented by the specter of Communist infiltration of every level of life." Had served on a New York State Assembly committee in 1940 that investigated New York's schools and colleges in an attempt to ferret out Communist activities. The subcommittee's hearings "corralled diplomats, scholars, businessmen, refugees and schoolteachers. It opened investigations into a possible Communist takeover of Hawaii, the Communist influence along the New York City waterfront, shipments of propaganda detected in New Orleans and creeping Communist control of U.S. military industries. Concerning the late Prof. Revilo P. Oliver, of the University of Illinois, Bevilaqua posted several of his many essays, accompanying by derogatory comments. Another "Nazi" condemned at great length by Bevilaqua is Dr. Hans J. Eysenck, whom he called a "Nazi brain scientist." Eysenck allegedly helped prepare candidates for roles as murderers for the Nazi government and for the CIA's MK-ULTRA and Operation Bluebird campaigns. He received funding from Draper and the Pioneer Fund and transferred knowledge to them about his work for Nazis and governments in exile such as the Russian Nationalist organizations of Anastase Vonsiatsky in Harbin, Manchuria. He was the original Manchurian Candidate. Eysenck allegedly watched with great interest as one of the students he trained, Bogdan Stashinsky, personally executed several pro-Nazi colleagues of the Vonsiatsky-affiliated OUN (?), including Dr. Stepan Bandera and Lev Rebet. Stashinsky was forced to participate in the Nazi killings because his parents were Nazi collaborators during WW II and he was afraid this information would be exposed. He penetrated the OUN, learned their habits, and killed them with the Potassium Cyanide Gun known at the "Stashinsky Gun." Vonsiatsky was extremely upset by these killings, but it took him until 1963 to get revenge. They used the very tool of the NKVD assassins, LHO, from the Minsk Academy of Murder and Mayhem, Class of 1961. Bevilaqua tips his hat to Mae Brussel and Bill Turner, who were the first ones onto Willoughby (Adolph Tscheppe-Weidenbach) and Morris, in Larry Flynt's "Realist" magazine in 1983. " How Nazis killed JFK John Bevilaqua represents "Citizens for Democracy," an organization that as far as I can tell has only him as a member (like Oswald's New Orleans branch of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee). He claims that this group is "on the brink of solving the mystery behind the JFK assassination and finding the identity of the members of the highest levels of the 'cabal.'" He has offered this general explanation: "JFK was killed by those who suffered from a paranoid over-reaction to the threats from international Communism due to their own mental instability. Or, they were chosen to carry out the murder because the believed so sincerely in the threats he posed. Or they were chosen to lead the murder by the Nazis who were the natural enemies of communism because they were just nuts enough to do it and because they did not possess the normal and natural restraint mechanism that would help them see just how socially unacceptable and illogical their belief systems really were." He has also offered this specific explanation: "Robert J. Morris, America's Benedict Arnold, was the one who plotted, managed and executed the plot to kill JFK with his sidekick Charles Willoughby using money advanced by Wickliffe P. Draper of Hopedale, Massachusetts, Draper labs, Remington Arms and Rockwell International who was the paradigm for Big Daddy Warbucks by Harold Grey. Draper's neighbor and partner, Anastase Vonsiatsky, the man who tried to kill FDR joined with Gerald L. K. Smith, the man who killed Huey Long, in running the operational and financial end of the plot, culminating in the meeting in Winnipeg, Canada known as the Winnipeg Airport Incident where the proceeds were divvied up. Smith's share was used to build and finance, Christ of the Ozarks, in Eureka, Arkansas, and Draper received his payback when Rockwell International bailed out his family's failing textile loom equipment machinery company a few years before it went totally belly up and busted. All other theories and attempts at explanation are nothing less then sheer folly and complete lunacy. I have spoken and you have been informed for perhaps the first time in your JFK experience. (Just kidding.) Quod Est Demonstratum." A shorter version is: "JFK was killed by those anti-Soviet counter-intelligence Nazi sympathizers at the American Security Council who were part of the Military-Intelligence Complex by the names of: Angleton, Morris, Willoughby and Cline" As to why the Nazis killed JFK, he has these explanations: "Fascism killed JFK in order to get free rein against Communism. Their next target is Democracy, since they have already fulfilled their 25 year plan against Communism (1963-1988). Right on schedule, too. The 25 year plan against Democracy (1990-2015) is a bit ahead of schedule as we speak. Democracy should be all done by 2010, I think." "The Far Right did it and blamed it on the Far Left to ENCOURAGE more attacks on the Far Left and the ultimate destruction of the Russian monolith. Duhhh? Next Problem." As to assassins, Bevilaqua says that Oswald did it as a Manchurian Candidate: "Oswald was a trained psychopath with a propensity for violence, whose selection for inclusion in a joint NKVD and US project on programmed assassination because of his attributes and propensities made him the perfect choice as patsy in the assassination of JFK. Once word got out about who the patsy was, every US organization had to go into cover-up and denial mode for fear of having the cover blown on their covert and illegal mind-control operations like MK-ULTRA and Bluebird." and that he had been "programmed" by Dr. Hans J. Eysenck. Using the mock voice of Eysenck, Bevilaqua wrote: "I, Dr. Hans J. Eysenck, stole the MK-ULTRA secrets for programmed assassinations when I worked at Operation Bluebird, and hand delivered to these psychos at least a half-dozen programmed assassins, Oswald among them. This is why we inserted Oswald into the fray. Once his name popped up, there was nothing anyone could do for fear of exposing the US Government exposed plan. Why do you think that Corporal Schrand was shot in the armpit? He had his hands behind his neck and was under armed control at the time and we asked Oswald to shoot him on command. Oswald was a programmed assassin and his cover had to be kept intact." Bevilaqua's evidence How does John Bevilaqua know all this about the Nazi killing of JFK? It comes from three pieces of evidence, two conversations overheard by third parties and a set of anagrams in a novel. The first conversation was overheard by his father in November 1963 next door at 3638 NW 15th St., Miami. The conversation concerned a plot to kill JFK. It was actually two conversations, on the 18th and 19th of November, that his father was able to listen to from his backyard. Cubans were speaking in Spanish. The following names were allegedly mentioned: Marita Lorenz, Bosch, Dias Lanz, Pedro, Alex, and Havana Bar. Lawrence reported it to the police by telephone on November 20th. They said that they already knew about it. The second conversation was overheard after the assassination, on 13 February 1964. As Winnipeg insurance salesman Richard Elvin Giesbrecht was having a drink in the Horizon Room of the Winnipeg airport, he is said to have overheard three men discussing what sounded like the JFK assassination and their involvement in it. When he was noticed, he was chased away. Giesbrecht later testified in Garrison's New Orleans trial of Clay Shaw, but when he could not offer enough information to allow the authorities to identify any of the persons, the lead was abandoned. Bevilaqua believes that the men were Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith, Anastase Vonsiatsky, and either Ronald A. Gostick or Patrick J. Walsh, present in Winnipeg, according to Bevilaqua, to attend a meeting of the Canadian anti-Communist League. They were in the process of dividing up the spoils (the payment) of the assassination. The anagrams come from Richard Condon's 1959 novel "The Manchurian Candidate." Condon knew about JFK's killers but could not say how, where, or when so far in advance. He knew the names, however, and hid them in a series of 12 anagrams in order to protect himself. Bevilaqua is now deciphering these puzzles for all to see. They all point to people who knew each other, associated with each other, were all right-wing extremists, had links to the Winnipeg Airport Incident, had links to the John Birch Society, were McCarthyites, were part of the military/industrial complex, had links and reputations are pro-Nazi sympathizers, and so on. Eleven of the anagrams, with Bevilaqua's solutions and interpretations, are given below. * "John Yerkes Iselin" = "John E. is Rey S. Kline." "John E." becomes "Johnny" (a nickname for John Y. Iselin), and Rey S. Kline gets turned into Ray S. Cline. "Rey S. Kline" is "very similar" to Ray S. Cline. "Others" think the same thing. * "Miss Viola Narvilly, opera singer" ... is a PERFECT anagram for "Revilo P. Oliver, is an SS Girman aly." Kevin Alfred Strom claims that this phrase does not appear in the book. He says that the actual phrases included "Miss Viola Narvilly of the great Indianapolis Opera Company" and "it like to have lifted Miss Narvilly out of her own body by her vocal cords" and "Miss Narvilly's manager tried to throw a punch at the National Chairman" and "not one single television shot had been taken of Miss Narvilly from beginning to end" and "shaking Miss Narvilly's manager loose." * Dr. Yen Lo = "Only Red," meaning the only Commie among those in the Manchurian Amphitheatre in Manchurian Candidate. * Etah = "Hate." One of the most common characteristics of right-wingers and inmates of mental institutions. * Al Melvin = "1 Evil Man." This may refer to Robert J. Morris, who is in at least 5 anagrams from Manchurian Candidate, or Revilo P. Oliver, whose most famous quotation was: "I had a beatific vision last night. I woke up after dreaming that all the Jews had been vaporized." Boston, MA, July 4, 1966 at a John Birch Rally and Conference on "God, Your Country and the Family, or something like that. Oliver was asked to sever his public relationships and ties to the John Birch Society. * Lord Morris Croftnol = "Lord, Frontal Morris...", a plaintive plea to some superior being. As in "frontal lobotomy," one of the best known but more primitive techniques for reducing aggressive or violent behavior. * "Miss Dover and Mrs. Diamentez" = "Morris is a Demented Man." (The remaining VZSD can be used any way you like.) * Tungwha = "What gun?" * Ole Banstoffsen-Washington" (a fictitious person in Manchurian Candidate) = "H.B. Angleton Waffen SS Notsi" or "H.B. Angleton Waffen SS - No xxxx." * Hugh Bone (another reference to Angleton) = "Hugh B. One" (= Hugh be one (of them), meaning the Reich Wing in America and the Reich Wing internationally.) * Bennet Arnold Marco = "RM a Benedect Arnold," whoever RM may be. Note how weak these anagrams are. Several don't work, or make nonsensical phrases. They are obviously being pushed past their limit. The two overheard conversations plus the anagrams sum to zero solid evidence. The ornate scenario spun from them by Bevilaqua is pure fabrication. And yet this is what is supposed to hold the key to the JFK assassination. How to validate his beliefs John Bevilaqua has told us exactly how to verify that his beliefs are correct: "What if I told you that Citizens for Democracy was literally on the brink of solving the mystery behind the John F. Kennedy assassination and finding the identity of the members of the highest levels of the cabal? How would you be able to tell whether or not it was really correct? Simple. If I could show you that two other persons had already solved portions of this case years ago and left clues for everyone to follow to the ultimate conspirators would you be convinced then? Possibly. Then what if I showed you that they also reached the very SAME conclusions that I had via a completely independent set of sources and separate methodologies? Would you be convinced of it then? Are you willing to hear more? Well, who are they all saying was behind the JFK murder plot? The plotters were all members of some of the most fascist and repressive organizations in the 50's and the 60's: the House Un-American activities Committee (HUAC), Senate Internal Security Subcommittee (SIS), and the Pioneer Fund (TPF) of New York which is still active today with Proposition 187, the Bell Curve and the Steve Forbes presidential campaign. Later some of them ended up either on the World Anti-Communist League (WACL) or on The Council for National Policy (CNP) or The Liberty Lobby (TLL), all of which are still active today in spreading their particular brand of devisiveness and enmity." In other words, he is right because two other people partially agreed with him! Bevilaqua's plan of action Notwithstanding the facts that he has no evidence and that his conclusions have not been meaningfully validated in any way, John Bevilaqua has an aggressive plan of action: "The Pioneer Fund, Birmingham Bombers, the Eastland and DeLa Beckwith Klans, Chaney, Schwerner and Goodman, the Ghosts of Mississippi. One by one we will hunt them all down and convict them. Just you wait and see. The Pioneer Fund and their Eugenics Master Race Agendas shall be neutralized and aborted for the good of all mankind." Exterminating the evil and dangerous Ken Rahn John Bevilaqua, under the alias of John McLoughlin, attended the two Providence conferences on the JFK assassination, the one in 1993 sponsored by Jerry Rose and "The Third Decade," and the one in 1999 sponsored by the University of Rhode Island and my JFK class. He spoke at each, and he and I became acquaintances. After the second conference, he even volunteered to give copies of his manuscript to my class, but never followed through. Something happened in the fall of 2000, and he turned on me with a vengeance. Writing as "Jim Anderson," he sent a very strong attacking message to alt.conspiracy.jfk, whose contents show that these feelings had been building up inside him for some time. Here is one of the tamer parts of that message: Hey now, you are talking about our version of Mr. McCarthy, Kenneth Rann, who actually claims that he can, merely by expelling gas from his ass, rise a distance of 9.99999999 (I forget how many 9's) centimeters above a chair while in a seated position with 2 strong, but totally naked, URI football players pressing down on his shoulders, thus proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that the "head snap" could have been produced by gasses coming out of the cranial cavity from bullet number 5 which was a frontal shot thus mimicking the frontal lobotomy that Herr Doktor Rann underwent just to prove, and I quote: "Vee Ghermans cum frum ze strong breeding stock, and ah soooo schmaaht, zat ve can akchuly undergo Total Frontal Lobotomy and still come up ticking. Vee haff so many exzess brrain zells zat vee can effun donate sum to charatees and still vin ze Nobel Prizes. Yah vohl. You can not effun see zee scarse, because zey vent in behind my eyeballs. Zay popped out the eyeball and poked around for a while and I can still do JFK research. Take a lookie here." Bevilaqua was apparently set off by earlier comments I had made publicly in support of the theory behind the "jet effect," the idea that the mass of blood and tissue expelled forward from JFK's exploding head would have contributed to his rearward motion seen so dramatically in the Zapruder film. He combined this with my German surname and decided to mock rather than deal with the argument itself. After falling silent for a time, he surfaced again in mid-April 2001 with a vengeance. This time he was writing as Dr. Hans J. Eysenck, "Nazi brain scientist." Added to list of outrages was the fact that the students in my JFK classes generally agreed with my approach to the assassination, something that Bevilaqua preferred to attribute to brainwashing on my part. Here is part of a message he sent to alt.conspiracy.jfk, in response to a thread on a different topic: "You know what a shame it is when so called certified and accredited (???) professeurs actually have the audacity, under the guise of academic respectability, to profess baldfaced lies and untruths in front of these poor young kids who are paying about $100,000 to listen to falsehoods. When we were in school we used to hiss in unison if we felt we were being lied to with prevarications, mistruths or falsehoods. I witnessed a handful of students, nice kids otherwise, who had been subjected to an entire semester of distortions and brainwashing at the URI laboratory of Herr Doktor Khan. They babbled the "right" jargon on cue, used politically correct techniques of analysis and "critical thinking," which means they criticized anything that smacked of conspiracy theory, cited party line and party dogma on command, and in general just "followed orders" from above in order to get a good grade from the grade master. … INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY is a very strong term, but I mean this in the strongest sense. Academic Freedom does not have any room for Intellectual Dishonesty. To bend and twist young impressionable minds when one has already revealed a pattern of the destruction of the minds of youths who have put their faith in you is an intellectual atrocity akin to mind rape and mind bending. Anyone guilty of these intellectual atrocities and affronts against humanity should be castigated, reviled, belittled and exposed. And I plan to do just that." What merited this announced plan to "castigate, revile, belittle, and expose"? Apparently the combination of my last name, my speaking out about unsupported "conspiracies," my JFK class, and my support for the laws of physics. Here is part of another post to alt.conspiracy.jfk from that same period of mid-Aril 2001. I am now Nazi scientist Dr. Runwith Khan, and the stakes are being raised to Nazi brain science and mind control: "Just consider an entire classroom of kids watching Khan essentially using Nazi Brain Science in proving that, let's say, The World is Flat, and the entire class watches in awe and rapture, agreeing with him, writing papers on the topic, and then applauding his efforts without smirking or laughing at his efforts. THAT is Nazi Brain Science at its very best. Sort of like hypnotized Korean POWs in Manchurian Candidate where Khan is playing the role of Dr. Yen Lo to his audience and his students think they are part of a meeting of a New Jersey Horticulture Club. Khan even looks and sounds a little like Yen Lo, don't you think? …with that sing-song little pseudo-scientific cadence he has which is intended only to confuse his students into a trance like state so they will be more susceptible to his lies and falsehoods. I am serious folks. This is mind control and altered state consciousness at its very best." If you think it couldn't get any worse, you are wrong. A week later, Bevilaqua again raised the stakes in a post to alt.conspiracy.jfk, part of which reads: "If you find and MIT, Draper Labs type he will probably support the Nuke em and Puke em, Military Industrial Complex School of Thought and be...get this....a non-believer in conspiracies in the JFK hit. My suggestion is: DO NOT SUPPORT HIM DO NOT DEFEND HIM Villify him. Pillory him. Expose him. Humiliate him. Badger him. Call him on everything. Lambaste him. Degrade him. Ream him." These goals were contained in another message to a poster who commented on so much meanness in one person: "The meanness comes only from those who deliberately hide or distort the truth. I want to be purged from his website and from his feeble mind forever. I will continue to call him publicly on any forgeries, distortions, or outright lies he publishes or posts, too. Until the end of time. It is a free country." Not even the University of Rhode Island could escape his aim. Here are two paragraphs from another message to alt.conspiracy.jfk: "His students think they are actually part of a class on logic and critical thinking when in fact they are part of a class on anything but. They are part of a class on mind control and thought control as part of the Alton W. Jones campus project at a misleading New England University … I am serious folks. This is mind control and altered state consciousness at its very best. Check out what Alton W. Jones did at Columbia University in the 1960's and the 1970's regarding the use of Cold War Psycholigical Warfare techniques to convince people that the Cold War was a good thing for the country." Closing comments It is appropriate to close this biography of John Bevilaqua by recalling the huge contrast between stimuli and reactions. His huge, complex Nazi scenario for the killing of JFK was a response to two conversations partially overheard by third parties, plus twelve anagrams, mostly imperfect, in a book written years before the assassination. His campaign against me (preceded and followed by similar but less intense actions against others) was apparently stimulated by my criticism of undocumented "conspiracies," my university course on the assassination, and my support for the laws of physics. The responses are entirely disproportionate to the stimuli. Bevilaqua's "Final Solution" to the JFK assassination Testimony to the Assassination Records Review Board (November 18, 1994, Dallas, Texas) Bevilaqua's version of the Winnipeg Airport Incident (Winnipeg Free Press, 22 November 2000) Peter Whitmey's more-careful version of the Winnipeg Airport Incident (The Fourth Decade, March 1999)

That line about Dr. Revilo Oliver stating that JFKs funeral had been rehearsed before JFK even died is quite revealing. I had forgotten about that line but will always recall Oliver's rants in Marxmanship in Dallas. Condon even wrote a rebuttal to all the right wing rhetoric following the JFK hit, in what became Victor Navasky's (sp?) left wing newspaper, The Nation. Wish I had not filed everthing into boxes and folders. It was a really great article and might have been around Christmas of 1963 as I vaguely recall. So that also places a historical timeframe around the intensity and the immediacy of these scapegoating tactics from the right. Within 30 days the scapegoating was so well planned and so well rehearsed and so intense that Condon was inspired to write an article and have it appear in the perhaps the 4th weekly issue of The Nation following JFKs death. Why didn't Prouty say something like: "The right wing extremists like GLK Smith, Revilo Oliver, Billy James Hargis, Clare Booth Luce not only knew a lot about Oswald and Ruby immediately after the assassination but they must have had major portions of the research on Oswald completed even before the assassination occurred to be able to produce so many articles about Oswald and some by Ruby in such short order with such great detail. If they had to wait until the assassination to begin this research there is no way possible that the volume could have reached such a level. The content could never have been presented in such meticulously refined and in depth detail unless they had advanced knowledge that Oswald and later Ruby would be chosen as scapegoats or patsies." *********************************************************** "Why didn't Prouty say something like: "The right wing extremists like GLK Smith, Revilo Oliver, Billy James Hargis, Clare Booth Luce not only knew a lot about Oswald and Ruby immediately after the assassination but they must have had major portions of the research on Oswald completed even before the assassination occurred to be able to produce so many articles about Oswald and some by Ruby in such short order with such great detail." Why didn't you bother to track him down and ask him yourself? You had close to 40 years to do so before he passed away. And, even if you didn't agree with what he was writing back in the 70's and 80's, you still had a good 20 years with which to have confronted him. Lord knows he was one of the most accessible people to reach. You could have contacted Len Osanic, who surely would have put him in touch with you. Did you even bother to try?

__________________________ Dawn, You are correct. Here's the Spartacus bio of Ms Pease: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKpease.htm --Thomas P.S. Maybe Spartacus is a Far Right website! LOL _________________________ Here are some of Lisa Pease's positions usually associated with far rightists... She has made many postings about: "Not a McCarthyite. Otepka has often been unfairly portrayed as a right-wing clone of Senator Joe McCarthy." In fact he was a right-wing clone of Joe McCarthy. See my postings about Otepka and what he said to defend perhaps the number one right winger in the history of the 20th Century. She was a close friend of and a strong supporter of the thesis proposed by Professor Donald Gibson when he he pointed the finger at the "Bolshevik Hadassic money lenders so prevalent on Wall Street..." i.e. The Jews did it! COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was very close with L. Fletcher Prouty who once said something to the effect of: 'I don't know when the Kennedys came over on the boat from Ireland, my family has been here for at least 6 generations... but they sure thought they could just come in here and take over the country and tell us how to run things. Guess we showed them a thing or two.' COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was also seen conferring with the Barry Goldwater's son lookalike at the same conference who confided to me... "Colonel Prouty is just like us on the "N**ger issues" She doesn't bother to mention that Otepka was fired for leaking classified documents regarding the background of Walt Rostow in an attempt to make the Kennedys, Rostow, Rusk and Acheson look bad. What he was charged with was... unlawfully leaking classified documents to SISS.... She has NEVER bothered to repudiate Gibson, Prouty or Otepka, or McCarthy. Anyone who falls in that category has to be classified as right wing.... Sorry... And where in her profile does it refer to anything from the right or the left? You have to go to these conferences and talk to people in back hallways and let them reveal themselves to you. For a while she even supported parts of the Michael Collins Piper thesis that the Jews were behind the JFK hit. Come on does that sound left wing to you or centrist? I know you never heard about Prouty's comments or Gibsons comments but certainly you must be able to look into my Otepka posts and the story of Otepka and realize that he could have been jailed for his transgressions. IF only someone had mentioned the leaking of classified documents to you. Only here to straighten out the record. Otherwise Otepka and McCarthy would get off scot free from the historical record to perpetuity. ************************************************************* "Here are some of Lisa Pease's positions usually associated with far rightists... She has made many postings about: "Not a McCarthyite. Otepka has often been unfairly portrayed as a right-wing clone of Senator Joe McCarthy." In fact he was a right-wing clone of Joe McCarthy. See my postings about Otepka and what he said to defend perhaps the number one right winger in the history of the 20th Century. She was a close friend of and a strong supporter of the thesis proposed by Professor Donald Gibson when he he pointed the finger at the "Bolshevik Hadassic money lenders so prevalent on Wall Street..." i.e. The Jews did it! COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was very close with L. Fletcher Prouty who once said something to the effect of: 'I don't know when the Kennedys came over on the boat from Ireland, my family has been here for at least 6 generations... but they sure thought they could just come in here and take over the country and tell us how to run things. Guess we showed them a thing or two.' COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was also seen conferring with the Barry Goldwater's son lookalike at the same conference who confided to me... "Colonel Prouty is just like us on the "N**ger issues" She doesn't bother to mention that Otepka was fired for leaking classified documents regarding the background of Walt Rostow in an attempt to make the Kennedys, Rostow, Rusk and Acheson look bad. What he was charged with was... unlawfully leaking classified documents to SISS.... "She has NEVER bothered to repudiate Gibson, Prouty or Otepka, or McCarthy. Anyone who falls in that category has to be classified as right wing...." Excuse me here, Mr. Bevilacqua. But, could you kindly post some documentation on all this obvious hearsay you seem to be so intent upon slinging around. You've got to show me the transcripts, otherwise your accusations fall flat on the side of provocation, IMHO. Buy them yourself. There are transcripts or even vidoes of the conference that used to be available on their website. Or contact Bill Kelly who might have been at that conference. John Judge was certainly there and he probably recalls the two podium incidents from Don Gibson and from Fletcher Prouty. Look on alt.conspiracy.jfk NO ONE and I mean NO ONE questioned the quote, the citation or my veracity in reporting the quotes when they were first made in the 1990s. And the owner of Covert Action Information Bulletin, name to be provided, which you can obtain from their website will recall, the Prouty statement and my question to him from the podium as well as the one given to Mark Lane which has been published many times on alt.conspiracy.jfk. And no one has denied that this exchange occurred. He even personally walked over to me and thanked me for challenging them, for standing up to them and for exposing them to look like the bigots and hypocrites they really are. Went something like this: Me: Mark, why don't you release the files of The Liberty Lobby relating to the Congress of Freedom and the meeting where assassinations of 200 American politicians, writers and public figures were discussed? (with Joseph Milteer present) Mark: "Files, what files? There are NO files!" Me: "THERE ARE NO FILES?" in a loud and sonorous tone. (nervous laughter and audience tittering) "Where have we heard that before? THERE ARE NO FILES! That is ridiculous." Now if this statement was in fact not reported as stated and TRUE, don't you think he would have sued me by now? Or the Fletcher Prouty statement. He had years and years to contradict or counter my statements and he did nothing. Now he is dead. I am not a coward and I can back up every statement of personal observation or personal recollection that I have ever made. Can you? And why did you come out of the woodwork now? So now unless you can prove otherwise it looks like it is your statements which are officially in the category of: "...accusations fall flat on the side of provocation, IMHO." Send an eMail to the guy at Covert Action Information Bulletin...buy the tapes. I stand by my statements. Truth is a Defense. I called your accusatory bluff... now call mine. ************************************************************** "I called your accusatory bluff... now call mine." Who's your Daddy? http://www.projo.com/news/content/projo_20...eb3.318838.html

__________________________ Dawn, You are correct. Here's the Spartacus bio of Ms Pease: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKpease.htm --Thomas P.S. Maybe Spartacus is a Far Right website! LOL _________________________ Here are some of Lisa Pease's positions usually associated with far rightists... She has made many postings about: "Not a McCarthyite. Otepka has often been unfairly portrayed as a right-wing clone of Senator Joe McCarthy." In fact he was a right-wing clone of Joe McCarthy. See my postings about Otepka and what he said to defend perhaps the number one right winger in the history of the 20th Century. She was a close friend of and a strong supporter of the thesis proposed by Professor Donald Gibson when he he pointed the finger at the "Bolshevik Hadassic money lenders so prevalent on Wall Street..." i.e. The Jews did it! COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was very close with L. Fletcher Prouty who once said something to the effect of: 'I don't know when the Kennedys came over on the boat from Ireland, my family has been here for at least 6 generations... but they sure thought they could just come in here and take over the country and tell us how to run things. Guess we showed them a thing or two.' COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was also seen conferring with the Barry Goldwater's son lookalike at the same conference who confided to me... "Colonel Prouty is just like us on the "N**ger issues" She doesn't bother to mention that Otepka was fired for leaking classified documents regarding the background of Walt Rostow in an attempt to make the Kennedys, Rostow, Rusk and Acheson look bad. What he was charged with was... unlawfully leaking classified documents to SISS.... She has NEVER bothered to repudiate Gibson, Prouty or Otepka, or McCarthy. Anyone who falls in that category has to be classified as right wing.... Sorry... And where in her profile does it refer to anything from the right or the left? You have to go to these conferences and talk to people in back hallways and let them reveal themselves to you. For a while she even supported parts of the Michael Collins Piper thesis that the Jews were behind the JFK hit. Come on does that sound left wing to you or centrist? I know you never heard about Prouty's comments or Gibsons comments but certainly you must be able to look into my Otepka posts and the story of Otepka and realize that he could have been jailed for his transgressions. IF only someone had mentioned the leaking of classified documents to you. Only here to straighten out the record. Otherwise Otepka and McCarthy would get off scot free from the historical record to perpetuity. ************************************************************* "Here are some of Lisa Pease's positions usually associated with far rightists... She has made many postings about: "Not a McCarthyite. Otepka has often been unfairly portrayed as a right-wing clone of Senator Joe McCarthy." In fact he was a right-wing clone of Joe McCarthy. See my postings about Otepka and what he said to defend perhaps the number one right winger in the history of the 20th Century. She was a close friend of and a strong supporter of the thesis proposed by Professor Donald Gibson when he he pointed the finger at the "Bolshevik Hadassic money lenders so prevalent on Wall Street..." i.e. The Jews did it! COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was very close with L. Fletcher Prouty who once said something to the effect of: 'I don't know when the Kennedys came over on the boat from Ireland, my family has been here for at least 6 generations... but they sure thought they could just come in here and take over the country and tell us how to run things. Guess we showed them a thing or two.' COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was also seen conferring with the Barry Goldwater's son lookalike at the same conference who confided to me... "Colonel Prouty is just like us on the "N**ger issues" She doesn't bother to mention that Otepka was fired for leaking classified documents regarding the background of Walt Rostow in an attempt to make the Kennedys, Rostow, Rusk and Acheson look bad. What he was charged with was... unlawfully leaking classified documents to SISS.... "She has NEVER bothered to repudiate Gibson, Prouty or Otepka, or McCarthy. Anyone who falls in that category has to be classified as right wing...." Excuse me here, Mr. Bevilacqua. But, could you kindly post some documentation on all this obvious hearsay you seem to be so intent upon slinging around. You've got to show me the transcripts, otherwise your accusations fall flat on the side of provocation, IMHO. Buy them yourself. There are transcripts or even vidoes of the conference that used to be available on their website. Or contact Bill Kelly who might have been at that conference. John Judge was certainly there and he probably recalls the two podium incidents from Don Gibson and from Fletcher Prouty. Look on alt.conspiracy.jfk NO ONE and I mean NO ONE questioned the quote, the citation or my veracity in reporting the quotes when they were first made in the 1990s. And the owner of Covert Action Information Bulletin, name to be provided, which you can obtain from their website will recall, the Prouty statement and my question to him from the podium as well as the one given to Mark Lane which has been published many times on alt.conspiracy.jfk. And no one has denied that this exchange occurred. He even personally walked over to me and thanked me for challenging them, for standing up to them and for exposing them to look like the bigots and hypocrites they really are. Went something like this: Me: Mark, why don't you release the files of The Liberty Lobby relating to the Congress of Freedom and the meeting where assassinations of 200 American politicians, writers and public figures were discussed? (with Joseph Milteer present) Mark: "Files, what files? There are NO files!" Me: "THERE ARE NO FILES?" in a loud and sonorous tone. (nervous laughter and audience tittering) "Where have we heard that before? THERE ARE NO FILES! That is ridiculous." Now if this statement was in fact not reported as stated and TRUE, don't you think he would have sued me by now? Or the Fletcher Prouty statement. He had years and years to contradict or counter my statements and he did nothing. Now he is dead. I am not a coward and I can back up every statement of personal observation or personal recollection that I have ever made. Can you? And why did you come out of the woodwork now? So now unless you can prove otherwise it looks like it is your statements which are officially in the category of: "...accusations fall flat on the side of provocation, IMHO." Send an eMail to the guy at Covert Action Information Bulletin...buy the tapes. I stand by my statements. Truth is a Defense. I called your accusatory bluff... now call mine. ******************************************************************** "Send an eMail to the guy at Covert Action Information Bulletin...buy the tapes. I stand by my statements. Truth is a Defense." No! You put it up, since you seem to frequent and are seemingly promoting this venue. "I called your accusatory bluff... now call mine." This is where I've come from, first and foremost, since going on line. I've been a student of Prouty's, who BTW was only able to get published out of Liberty Lobby and The Noontide Press, for his views and revelations with regard to who's really calling the shots and running the show in the U.S. gov. I've also subscribed to The Spotlight and to Lyndon LaRouche, but that doesn't make me a "rightist", or a Fascist, the way you seem hellbent on labeling Lisa Pease, a good friend of mine, as well. And, this crap you're slinging around in your attempt to discredit Donald Gibson is pure, unadulterated horse-pucky. So, why don't you really let it all hang out and trash all of those whom you believe to be "rightists, John Birchers, and assorted other forms of Fascist Nazi collaborators? I want to hear it, now! For all intents and purposes, I'm a Socialist. But you? YOU, I'm really skeptical about people such as yourself, claiming to be "Leftist" in your persuasion. The use of such jargon seems antiquated and outdated, to say the least. There are different labels in use these days for the different political factions. You seem to be speaking from a different era and mindset, altogether. An e-mail from home follows: "Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day." - Thomas Jefferson -----Original Message----- From: Len Osanic [mailto:osanic@prouty.org] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:28 PM To: 'Theresa Mauro' Cc: 'Lisa Pease' Subject: RE: Who is John Bevilacqua and why is he making these derogatory comments... Terry, This guy is insane or working for an agency He is a xxxx. Prouty never said anything like what he claims I knew Fletcher very well for 10 years Len

__________________________ Dawn, You are correct. Here's the Spartacus bio of Ms Pease: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKpease.htm --Thomas P.S. Maybe Spartacus is a Far Right website! LOL _________________________ Here are some of Lisa Pease's positions usually associated with far rightists... She has made many postings about: "Not a McCarthyite. Otepka has often been unfairly portrayed as a right-wing clone of Senator Joe McCarthy." In fact he was a right-wing clone of Joe McCarthy. See my postings about Otepka and what he said to defend perhaps the number one right winger in the history of the 20th Century. She was a close friend of and a strong supporter of the thesis proposed by Professor Donald Gibson when he he pointed the finger at the "Bolshevik Hadassic money lenders so prevalent on Wall Street..." i.e. The Jews did it! COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was very close with L. Fletcher Prouty who once said something to the effect of: 'I don't know when the Kennedys came over on the boat from Ireland, my family has been here for at least 6 generations... but they sure thought they could just come in here and take over the country and tell us how to run things. Guess we showed them a thing or two.' COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was also seen conferring with the Barry Goldwater's son lookalike at the same conference who confided to me... "Colonel Prouty is just like us on the "N**ger issues" She doesn't bother to mention that Otepka was fired for leaking classified documents regarding the background of Walt Rostow in an attempt to make the Kennedys, Rostow, Rusk and Acheson look bad. What he was charged with was... unlawfully leaking classified documents to SISS.... She has NEVER bothered to repudiate Gibson, Prouty or Otepka, or McCarthy. Anyone who falls in that category has to be classified as right wing.... Sorry... And where in her profile does it refer to anything from the right or the left? You have to go to these conferences and talk to people in back hallways and let them reveal themselves to you. For a while she even supported parts of the Michael Collins Piper thesis that the Jews were behind the JFK hit. Come on does that sound left wing to you or centrist? I know you never heard about Prouty's comments or Gibsons comments but certainly you must be able to look into my Otepka posts and the story of Otepka and realize that he could have been jailed for his transgressions. IF only someone had mentioned the leaking of classified documents to you. Only here to straighten out the record. Otherwise Otepka and McCarthy would get off scot free from the historical record to perpetuity. ************************************************************* "Here are some of Lisa Pease's positions usually associated with far rightists... She has made many postings about: "Not a McCarthyite. Otepka has often been unfairly portrayed as a right-wing clone of Senator Joe McCarthy." In fact he was a right-wing clone of Joe McCarthy. See my postings about Otepka and what he said to defend perhaps the number one right winger in the history of the 20th Century. She was a close friend of and a strong supporter of the thesis proposed by Professor Donald Gibson when he he pointed the finger at the "Bolshevik Hadassic money lenders so prevalent on Wall Street..." i.e. The Jews did it! COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was very close with L. Fletcher Prouty who once said something to the effect of: 'I don't know when the Kennedys came over on the boat from Ireland, my family has been here for at least 6 generations... but they sure thought they could just come in here and take over the country and tell us how to run things. Guess we showed them a thing or two.' COPA Conference Washington, DC 1992 or 1993 timeframe... She was also seen conferring with the Barry Goldwater's son lookalike at the same conference who confided to me... "Colonel Prouty is just like us on the "N**ger issues" She doesn't bother to mention that Otepka was fired for leaking classified documents regarding the background of Walt Rostow in an attempt to make the Kennedys, Rostow, Rusk and Acheson look bad. What he was charged with was... unlawfully leaking classified documents to SISS.... "She has NEVER bothered to repudiate Gibson, Prouty or Otepka, or McCarthy. Anyone who falls in that category has to be classified as right wing...." Excuse me here, Mr. Bevilacqua. But, could you kindly post some documentation on all this obvious hearsay you seem to be so intent upon slinging around. You've got to show me the transcripts, otherwise your accusations fall flat on the side of provocation, IMHO.

******************************************************************** You can reach me at my personal e-mail address: tmauro@pacbell.net, whereby I might be able to send you more information directly, via your own personal e-mail, by-passing the forum. Then, you'd be better able to decide for yourself what makes the most sense, and might even be put in contact with my own personal study group of researchers and students, if you'd like. That's basically how I've been operating in my studies regarding the assassinations, by collaborating with those who've been mentors, to me. You can learn quite a bit by taking that route. Take care, Ter

There is no such thing as a "CT Community" - that's a figment of VB's imagaination. And Von Pain doesn't count for anything. BK I'll go you one better. There's no such thing as CT. It's CF. Conspiracy fact. Charles ********************************************************** "There's no such thing as CT." Except in the field of diagnostic radiology, and formerly known as CAT, or Computerized Axial Tomography. Nowadays it's simply known as plain, old CT. Therefore, anytime I see a reference made to CT'ers, I immediately think of a bunch of CT machines scanning away in a radiology department, or a diagnostic imaging center.

********************************************************* "Well, it provided a few good laughs!" Try this one on your "funny-bone" for size, my beloved infidel. http://wlym.com/PDF-77-85/CAM8304.pdf Anton Chaitkin is a member of this forum, as well. Your, Femme Nikita Over the years I have received telephone calls from Anton, who asked for information that I might have on specific topics. I always found that he had diligently done his research beforehand on the topics, with the net result being that he provided me with valuable insights to which I otherwise would not have been privy. ***************************************************************** Thank you for your comments, Mr. Caddy. I have the highest and utmost respect for Anton and his work. You might say that I've been somewhat of a student of his, since first being introduced to his articles in 1994.

********************************************************* "Well, it provided a few good laughs!" Try this one on your "funny-bone" for size, my beloved infidel. http://wlym.com/PDF-77-85/CAM8304.pdf Anton Chaitkin is a member of this forum, as well. Your, Femme Nikita