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I am currently reading Talbot's book and will certainly comment when I am able. Attending the Dallas COPA conference in '04, when he was a presenter, he made a point to tell me that he appreciated my assertion that it is too easily assumed that the brothers were on the same page on all matters.
On a personal note, the widow of Peter Benchley (author of Jaws), who died from the disease assaulting me (IPF), was caused by bad scuba air which, at "99' deep, is driven into the lungs at four times the surface level. I wish I had the time to develop and promote a personal device for testing the tank air, especially in some of these fleabag Third World scuba operations.
Such a device makes a world of sense and, given divers' general love of gadgetry, would sell like hot cakes! We could call it a Scuba Quality Unit Air Tester (SQUAT). But on a more personal note even still, after all of the above, my brother died of a heart attack just last night. I kind of thought that the end of my own life was the only big drama left. Just goes to show that it ain't over until the fat lady sings.
To David: I'd love to get together for lunch if possible when you come through the Chico area in a few weeks. I'm not able to use the personal message function on the forum, but I see my e-mail everyday, the address being posted in my profile.
The scuba photo was taken just last year, showing me waving to you all across time and space from a place called Joy. Thank you all so much for your kindness and devotion to our mutual interest. It has really been an honor to have the chance to work on so important an issue with you all. My special thanks to John Simkin for allowing me that chance.
Tim
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T.C., just to let you know, I'm working on making the Eugene trip. Don't worry, I've got a sleeping bag, and love "roughing it." I'll keep you posted. Since I'll have a full week of employment waiting for me at "The Hill," [July 17, 18, 19, 20, 21] that should help to cover it. I'll keep you posted as to the details.
Love always,
Ter
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Hello!! Here I am on vacation, and thought I'd stop in REAL quick, and see how the board is doing. I find I have have a ton of PMs concerning this situation, and I see we have the May Edition of "Monthly Forum Fight" published, with the defeat going to one of the moderators.
If I went to a JFK Forum looking for information, the last thing I'd want to see is this type of feuding going on--- because we should be discussing aspects of the assassination.
It appears that in order for this type of thing to cease, one of the parties must "win", and it must be a published "win" at that. The funny thing here is that I don't think it matters to the viewing audience if there is a win--only to the participants.
We, as moderators, cannot solve the problems between you. We can, however, determine what is in the best interests of the Forum in general. Evidently, because someone did what he thought best to stop this, we no longer have him.
C'mon folks. Let's treat each other a little better. There are ways to say things, and ways to say things. (I hope you see what I mean here.) Remember that what you write here is forever on the internet, tied to YOUR name. I would hope that each one of us would demonstrate some degree of respect for self and others in our posts.
Kathy
Once again thank you for the moderators for trying to bring sanity to this forum. However, it does seem that a couple of members seem determined to cause disputes on this forum. I am thinking seriously of putting them on permanent moderation. This means that their postings will not appear on this forum until approved by a moderator.
If you do that to me I'll just use the other login I post under: Thomas Graves.
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"If you do that to me I'll just use the other login I post under: Thomas Graves."
Stop this, right now! Before your credibility is all shot to hell!
I am really disappointed that a bright individual, such as yourself, would continue in this vein.
And, I am thoroughly disgusted with this culmination of events that have led to the deterioration of a perfectly good topic.
Furthermore, I refuse to sit back and witness the "kamikaze" tactics of someone I had wished to have held in higher esteem than this.
I must concede, Antti is right, with regard to a waste of bandwidth.
Shut it down.
You got it Terry.
I respect you so you have my ear.
I do hope that the regard for bandwidth, and I mean this sincerely, extends to seemingly endless battles with Kathy that have hijacked many threads that I hoped to get something useful out of, the "Death of Witnesses" one among them.
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"I do hope that the regard for bandwidth, and I mean this sincerely, extends to seemingly endless battles with Kathy that have hijacked many threads that I hoped to get something useful out of, the "Death of Witnesses" one among them."
Just a long as you can maintain control of the focus of the thread and not allow it to drift off into some gossip-mongering, disrespectful, self-serving, "tell all" fantasy tangent of, "shoulda'-woulda'-
coulda'-if-only-I-had-been-her-friend" endless conjecturing. Then by all means, I will steer clear of your research efforts and investigative pursuits. Hopefully, you'll emerge as the effective mentor needed in this case.
Your equally concerned research colleague,
Terry Mauro
I can only try. I'm not taking responsibility for someone else.
I do appreciate your comments Terry.
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"I do appreciate your comments Terry."
And, I do yours, as well as your exceptional insight, which I've always admired far and above everything else. You're a natural-born leader from what I've observed. That's why I trust your judgment and ability to get to the heart of the matter without having to bog yourself down in non-essential bull-pucky.
Carry on. Consider me merely as a commentator making an observation.
I'm waiting on Talbot's book at this point in time, anyway.
Ter
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Hello!! Here I am on vacation, and thought I'd stop in REAL quick, and see how the board is doing. I find I have have a ton of PMs concerning this situation, and I see we have the May Edition of "Monthly Forum Fight" published, with the defeat going to one of the moderators.
If I went to a JFK Forum looking for information, the last thing I'd want to see is this type of feuding going on--- because we should be discussing aspects of the assassination.
It appears that in order for this type of thing to cease, one of the parties must "win", and it must be a published "win" at that. The funny thing here is that I don't think it matters to the viewing audience if there is a win--only to the participants.
We, as moderators, cannot solve the problems between you. We can, however, determine what is in the best interests of the Forum in general. Evidently, because someone did what he thought best to stop this, we no longer have him.
C'mon folks. Let's treat each other a little better. There are ways to say things, and ways to say things. (I hope you see what I mean here.) Remember that what you write here is forever on the internet, tied to YOUR name. I would hope that each one of us would demonstrate some degree of respect for self and others in our posts.
Kathy
Once again thank you for the moderators for trying to bring sanity to this forum. However, it does seem that a couple of members seem determined to cause disputes on this forum. I am thinking seriously of putting them on permanent moderation. This means that their postings will not appear on this forum until approved by a moderator.
If you do that to me I'll just use the other login I post under: Thomas Graves.
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"If you do that to me I'll just use the other login I post under: Thomas Graves."
Stop this, right now! Before your credibility is all shot to hell!
I am really disappointed that a bright individual, such as yourself, would continue in this vein.
And, I am thoroughly disgusted with this culmination of events that have led to the deterioration of a perfectly good topic.
Furthermore, I refuse to sit back and witness the "kamikaze" tactics of someone I had wished to have held in higher esteem than this.
I must concede, Antti is right, with regard to a waste of bandwidth.
Shut it down.
You got it Terry.
I respect you so you have my ear.
I do hope that the regard for bandwidth, and I mean this sincerely, extends to seemingly endless battles with Kathy that have hijacked many threads that I hoped to get something useful out of, the "Death of Witnesses" one among them.
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"I do hope that the regard for bandwidth, and I mean this sincerely, extends to seemingly endless battles with Kathy that have hijacked many threads that I hoped to get something useful out of, the "Death of Witnesses" one among them."
Just a long as you can maintain control of the focus of the thread and not allow it to drift off into some gossip-mongering, disrespectful, self-serving, "tell all" fantasy tangent of, "shoulda'-woulda'-
coulda'-if-only-I-had-been-her-friend" endless conjecturing. Then by all means, I will steer clear of your research efforts and investigative pursuits. Hopefully, you'll emerge as the effective mentor needed in this case.
Your equally concerned research colleague,
Terry Mauro
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First of all, I read Doug's excellent memos years ago at Rex's history matters website. Thank you Doug, for all your work, and thank you Rex for putting it online for folks like myself.
Second of all, having studied Doug's memo re the brain, and having come to a different conclusion than the one proposed in the memo, I can state with some credibility that his thought process is not insane and that the scenario he describes is not crazy. It is a definite possibility, and one that deserved and deserves examination. He would have been remiss not to mention this possible scenario.
Doug, as the New York Times has reviewed Bugliosi's book and stated what a delight it is that he tears into conspiracy theorists with so little mercy, they should give yourself and others who've looked into the case in an official role and concluded a conspiracy was likely, e.g. Blakey, Cornwell, Fonzi, Sprague, Tannenbaum, Wecht, equal time. Have you approached the Times about publishing such a letter?
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One of our members of "Letters" should post it on the amazon.com book review of Buligiosi's "tonnage," as Myra so aptly referred to it. Strategically placed, of course, to coincide with any reference to Doug's work, as a rebuttal in kind. Letters to the op-ed sections of the L.A. and N.Y. Times Book Review sections should be considered, although I doubt they'd stand any chance of appearing in print. Not with the present regime in D.C. controlling the strings.
Thanks to Doug Horne for alerting us to the abuse of literary license being made by this sell-out, Bugliosi. We need "watchdogs" out there to monitor "Mockingbird" and their acolytes' attacks, such as those being hurled at some of our premiere researchers, like Mr. Horne.
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And this thread speculates that William Pawley financed the assassination.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5068
I guess I'm more inclined to assume that multiple people financed it, though HL Hunt was almost certainly one.
And Pawley I agree was involved, maybe as a funder.
I suppose that a fundamental question would be: what funding strategy would best serve a plot of this scale?
The need to keep the secret would have to be balanced against the need for leverage against participants should they later be compelled to speak, and for money of course.
Which is more desirable: one funder for maximum discretion or multiple funders so that more people have a vested interest in perpetuating the cover up? More funders would also provide a safety net; if something happened to one money supply the plot
could be sustained.
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"I suppose that a fundamental question would be: what funding strategy would best serve a plot of this scale?
The need to keep the secret would have to be balanced against the need for leverage against participants should they later be compelled to speak, and for money of course."
This is why I would venture to say that the Wall Street financial houses, including the banks and quite possibly, the Security and Exchange Commission under whose auspices the oil industry is allowed to flourish and thrive. Throw in a Wall Street corporate law firm of prestigious holdings and vested interests, such as Sullivan and Cromwell, who had situated themselves so strategically and advantageously as to provide a protective umbrella from which to launch, "The Plan," [thank you, Charles Black]. There would be no question of anything ever happening to a money supply vast enough to be needed to sustain a plot of this magnitude. Funding the "money" would be no object to these people.
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Hello!! Here I am on vacation, and thought I'd stop in REAL quick, and see how the board is doing. I find I have have a ton of PMs concerning this situation, and I see we have the May Edition of "Monthly Forum Fight" published, with the defeat going to one of the moderators.
If I went to a JFK Forum looking for information, the last thing I'd want to see is this type of feuding going on--- because we should be discussing aspects of the assassination.
It appears that in order for this type of thing to cease, one of the parties must "win", and it must be a published "win" at that. The funny thing here is that I don't think it matters to the viewing audience if there is a win--only to the participants.
We, as moderators, cannot solve the problems between you. We can, however, determine what is in the best interests of the Forum in general. Evidently, because someone did what he thought best to stop this, we no longer have him.
C'mon folks. Let's treat each other a little better. There are ways to say things, and ways to say things. (I hope you see what I mean here.) Remember that what you write here is forever on the internet, tied to YOUR name. I would hope that each one of us would demonstrate some degree of respect for self and others in our posts.
Kathy
Once again thank you for the moderators for trying to bring sanity to this forum. However, it does seem that a couple of members seem determined to cause disputes on this forum. I am thinking seriously of putting them on permanent moderation. This means that their postings will not appear on this forum until approved by a moderator.
If you do that to me I'll just use the other login I post under: Thomas Graves.
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"If you do that to me I'll just use the other login I post under: Thomas Graves."
Stop this, right now! Before your credibility is all shot to hell!
I am really disappointed that a bright individual, such as yourself, would continue in this vein.
And, I am thoroughly disgusted with this culmination of events that have led to the deterioration of a perfectly good topic.
Furthermore, I refuse to sit back and witness the "kamikaze" tactics of someone I had wished to have held in higher esteem than this.
I must concede, Antti is right, with regard to a waste of bandwidth.
Shut it down.
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IMO we could delete this entire Topic (thread). Waste of bandwidth.
Hi Antti,
The whole premise of this thread is based on a call for proof from a topic that was knowingly deleted. To delete this may cause more angst. I could even claim I never gave up moderation (God forbid) and ask for proof.
Even to close it now would show that the moderators DO keep bumping into each other etc. that would also mean the topic was closed, opened, deleted/closed. No as I say it's legacy is worth keeping and it does get lots of views.
Gary
P.S Google caches pages. Whilst Tosh's posts have been deleted, he couldn't delete those posts in which he was quoted by others.
See here Pyrhhic victory for some of what was discussed in the first few pages of this current topic.
Hope this doesn't ignite any further antipathy, but perhaps will give some closure to the questions posed on the first page of this thread
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I happened to have liked the original topic of this thread, but after looking over the thread, "So how many conspirators..." another good one, by the way, I came to the conclusion that Thomas was clearly engaging in what I would consider to be a case of bird-dogging Myra by bringing up what he considered to be a past transgression, on her part. I failed to see what this had to do with the thread Thomas had started, and it seemed that he might have been a little miffed at Myra's contribution to his thread, possibly prompting him to bring up this point. Yet, I failed to denote any provocation in Myra's tone that could have set him off and am still non-plussed as to what has transpired in this regard.
On the other hand, Myra might have been better suited to have allowed this to whither on the vine, instead of making the reference to Graves in the new thread she had started. But, having had a newbie, in the person of David G., present in observation of the bird-dogging incident on Thomas' thread, I can understand Myra's impulse to respond in kind, though in no way am I condoning it. I still can understand the reasoning behind it.
As far as my swearing in my description of the Rockefellers, I was merely trying to make light of the situation while attempting to steer the thread back on track. Sorry to have offended anyone, but least of all the @%$#^*~ Rockefellers, I could care less about their feelings, or what they think. Especially, considering the utter disdain they profess to have for the plebes who are the ones paying the taxes to finance their special interests. Isn't that what this thread started out as, to begin with?
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post May 13 2007, 01:20 AM
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What a joke........
Maybe we get out of it what we put into it.
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Yeah My-rah, absolutely....
So, what have you "gotten out of it" so far, other than the fact that you now think William "Tosh" Plumlee was one of the (witting) conspirators and that the CIA is a nasty, nasty organization and that you really really hate this 'n that 'n tuther thang 'bout 'Merika........?
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post May 13 2007, 11:46 PM
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I will say that the classic equation "garbage in=garbage out" might explain why you're disappointed with your results.
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My-ra,
How could I possibly be "disappointed with my results" when I've never claimed to have any "results" (except proving that "Larry Florer" really was Larry Florer--FWIW). I'm happy just to sit back and watch the names of individuals and groups and associations of individuals and groups of about 1% of all the American adults who were alive in '63 being thrown out as possible conspirators on this forum and others like it.
Keep up the good work!
--Thomas icecream.gif
P.S. Do you still think "Tosh" Plumlee was one of the conspirators? (I remember his calling you a #@&!$ in his last or next-to-last post. It made my day!)
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P.S. Do you still think "Tosh" Plumlee was one of the conspirators? (I remember his calling you a #@&!$ in his last or next-to-last post. It made my day!)
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"QUOTE(Thomas Graves @ May 14 2007, 01:46 AM) *
Sorry, Myra. I just caught the date on that [May 14, 20076].
Which thread was that on?
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QUOTE(Thomas Graves @ May 14 2007, 01:46 AM) *
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P.S. Do you still think "Tosh" Plumlee was one of the conspirators? (I remember his calling you a #@&!$ in his last or next-to-last post. It made my day!)
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Granted. But, Tosh's name should never have been referred to in addressing Graves.
This is how some guys will respond to an inference such as that.
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And when do they do it, if not now?
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10014
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P.S. To new member David G., if you want to find the pertinent posts between Tosh and Ms. Bee, I suggest that you simply plug in the search term "b****," because that's what Tosh called her right before he left The Forum. "
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Ok so I'm reading about John D. Rockefeller's Occasional Letter No.1 "detailing plans to mold the people, reduce national intelligence to the lowest common denominator, destroy parental influence, traditional and customs, and eliminate science and real learning, "in order to perfect human nature."
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/timeline.html
The gist is that Rockefeller became an education philanthropist at least in part as a path to a controlled population—a population of "sheeple" customized for optimal ditch digging. Good read/background material here:
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/stevenyates-5.html
So I'm wondering if President Kennedy's unusually lively intellect, and emphasis on learning, was yet another aspect that infuriated the ruling class. I'm not suggesting that it was a factor in his murder; there were plenty of those factors. His peacenik proclivities alone were enough to do him in.
But, has anyone ever come across any evidence, readings, anything to indicate that JFK's love of learning and the arts was something that earned him the enmity of the rulers because they didn't want that mindset to contaminate the carefully cultivated dumbed-down populace?
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Myra,
I'm sure you're right.
Keep up the good work....
--Thomas
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And I'm sure the Rockefellers would approve of the work you do ToshAS.
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"And I'm sure the Rockefellers would approve of the work you do ToshAS."
This started out as a great thread. What brought that up, and why?
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(We??) thank you, Ms Bee!
--Thomas (and Tosh?) LOL
P.S. Keep up the good work....
P.P.S. "Paranoia Strikes Deep..."
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Tag, you're it ToshASsss
Just kidding ThomAS, you're a really really smart guy.
Really...
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Yeah, Myra, I confess I helped Tosh kill JFK even though I was only 13 years old at the time....
LOL.
--Thomas
P.S. To new member David G., if you want to find the pertinent posts between Tosh and Ms. Bee, I suggest that you simply plug in the search term "b****," because that's what Tosh called her right before he left The Forum. Too bad, too, because at that time Tosh was giving us lots of interesting information about his activities and observations on the South Knoll before, during and just after the assassination.... He seemed to think that the fatal shot was fired from the far South end of the underpass/overpass (which makes a lot of sense when one looks at the reports given about JFK's head wound(s) by the doctors/nurses/technicians at Parkland Hospital.) But unfortunately Ms. "Busy Bee," going for "the kill," harassed him to the point of leaving....
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Psss, David G,
It won't do you any good to search on that term because Tosh scrubbed his posts clean before absconding into the abyss.
Just FYI.
ThomAS seems to be losing his oh so contrived kewlllllll and forgetting that niggling little point about his his hero.
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O.K. kids, cut the clowning around. How about getting back to those XXXX Rockefellers?
On second thought, carry on. I just got a look at the time. Maybe I'll hit the hay for the rest of the evening, instead.
Find me something to laugh about in the morning before I shuffle off to work. Like an edit on my post, maybe? That was fun, Thomas.
Good night, folks.
Edited language.
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"Flag set post."
I've noticed this popping up every so often. What does it stand for?
Thanks,
Ter
It means the update flag wasn't set Terry, so I posted again just to set it.
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"It means the update flag wasn't set Terry, so I posted again just to set it."
O.K., gotcha. Thanks.
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Ok so I'm reading about John D. Rockefeller's Occasional Letter No.1 "detailing plans to mold the people, reduce national intelligence to the lowest common denominator, destroy parental influence, traditional and customs, and eliminate science and real learning, "in order to perfect human nature."
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/timeline.html
The gist is that Rockefeller became an education philanthropist at least in part as a path to a controlled population—a population of "sheeple" customized for optimal ditch digging. Good read/background material here:
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/stevenyates-5.html
So I'm wondering if President Kennedy's unusually lively intellect, and emphasis on learning, was yet another aspect that infuriated the ruling class. I'm not suggesting that it was a factor in his murder; there were plenty of those factors. His peacenik proclivities alone were enough to do him in.
But, has anyone ever come across any evidence, readings, anything to indicate that JFK's love of learning and the arts was something that earned him the enmity of the rulers because they didn't want that mindset to contaminate the carefully cultivated dumbed-down populace?
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"But, has anyone ever come across any evidence, readings, anything to indicate that JFK's love of learning and the arts was something that earned him the enmity of the rulers because they didn't want that mindset to contaminate the carefully cultivated dumbed-down populace?"
The only thing I can add, and this is pure speculation on my part, is the fact that it is known that JFK was the more sickly of the brothers in his family, and possibly spent an inordinate amount of time devouring books, as he was wont to do, from the amount of recovery time he was forced to endure in his formative years.
This "book-learning" and/or studious aspect of his personality would most likely serve him well in the development of a more mediator stance on the arbitration matters he would be faced with, in the settlement of union issues concerning the miners and steelworkers, during his term in office. I also think it influenced the way he viewed the world and humanity, as a whole, rendering him highly cognizant of the plight of those less fortunate than he. I find those same traits inherent in the personalities of Lincoln, FDR, and Che Guevara, an asthmatic who seems to have spent an exceptional amount of time reading during his formative years, as well.
"Ok so I'm reading about John D. Rockefeller's Occasional Letter No.1 "detailing plans to mold the people, reduce national intelligence to the lowest common denominator, destroy parental influence, traditional and customs, and eliminate science and real learning, "in order to perfect human nature." "
Therefore, these "book-ish" personality traits, in the leaders I've mentioned above, would seem anathema to the agenda of the Rockefellers, wouldn't you say? And, would remain a thorn in their side until they chose to eliminate it. From a strictly circumstantial P.O.V., of course.
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"Flag set post."
I've noticed this popping up every so often. What does it stand for?
Thanks,
Ter
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Rather than focus on mysterious deaths, why not generate enough interest to solve the verifiable homicides that the criminal justice system must address?
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You have so many ideas about how other people can spend their time on this case BK.
Will you be following up on your own suggestions?
Myra,
I just read Bugliosi's book while on the hopper, and he's got me convinced.
I was wrong all along. My instincts betrayed me. All that time wasted. As the Bug says:
"...The best course of action for those in the conspiracy community would be to just give up and find a new passion."
So no, I won't be following up on my own suggestions.
And I'm taking up wine.
BK
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"I just read Bugliosi's book while on the hopper, and he's got me convinced.
I was wrong all along. My instincts betrayed me. All that time wasted."
Get outta here, Billy! Surely you jest?
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The first of four parts. In this episode, Garrison's professional
career is chronicled from his first election as District Attorney to
his involvement in the Kennedy assassination and the subsequent media
revelation of his secret investigation.
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Thank you, Gil. It was heartening to hear and see Col. Prouty once again, speaking on behalf of Garrison.
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While I don't want to be dismissive at all of the power of prayer and loving best wishes, I have acquired something appropriate to my personal weirdness: Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis. Many diseases are incurable and many diseases have unknown causes, but this one is unique in that there is no treatment. It also happens to offer one of the ugliest deaths I can imagine. I read one case study which described a 50 year old man's last day as suffocating and panicky.
As Dawn mentioned, Tosh had a unique thought about the cause, which could possibly be right on target, but it doesn't matter because the damage is already done and there is no known remedy to stop the destruction. I have less than 20% of my lungs left, if they could be saved, but that small percent still has to process the oxygen from small spots still left, winding through the maze of what is referred to as "honeycomb lung."
When I spent a week at Stanford University, which is supposed to be the Olympus of transplants, on the last day of testing, an 80% blockage was found in the left ascending artery to my heart. They fixed that right then with a couple of stents, but it did throw a wrench into my candidacy for transplant. I haven't heard back yet with any decision. The committee was to meet on May 7, so I still don't know what to think about having not heard back.
The hospice people come in to set up the house this Monday and I will require 24/7 care, ultimately dying from sepsis-caused morphine usage. A legal client of mine who I helped years ago has arranged everything and there is a loving karmic aspect to that. So with the damage to my lungs already pervasive and with the unlikeliness of a transplant, I hope the prayers and well-wishes will influence a gentle crossing of the river.
I'm very emotional these days and especially touched by expressions of affection and remembrance. To see that I have had a fairly full life already, please check my website at www.myspace.com/waterbro. My Kennedy essay is located there as well. One of the oddest things about this disease is that it bloats the fingertips, making typing a frustratingly difficult activity. Thus, my ability to participate is diminished.
All of us here share a passion for exposure of the truth about the JFK assassination. This is especially true for patriots who believe that Dallas was a coup d'etat. While Tony Summers' newest and retitled edition, Not In Your Lifetime, applies to me, I urge all forum members to not let this go; please keep up the good fight. It's so important.
Tim
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"So with the damage to my lungs already pervasive and with the unlikeliness of a transplant, I hope the prayers and well-wishes will influence a gentle crossing of the river."
T.C.,
If it's O.K. with Cris, please e-mail me your address? I've got to make this road trip, North.
Love always,
Ter
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6) Jack Zangretti – Dec., 1963 – Lake Lugert, Texas. Chicago mobster shot by UNSUB #5.
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"Project Pale Horse sidestepped the official U. S. Intelligence Coordination and Exploitation Program (ICEX), Lao, and GVN military chain of command, and had been running six years prior to the establishment of the "official" GVN Phoenix (Kế Hoạch Phụng Hoàng) program in Vietnam" IOW pre OP PHOENIX in '62 - '63.
Other accounts tell of selected Americans were also targeted for termination. One possible victim:
"Marguerite Higgins bluntly accused the American authorities of the November 2nd, 1963 killing of Premier Diem and his brother Nhu. A few months after her accusation, she died in a landmine explosion in Vietnam."
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Zangretti : Lake Lugert - Oklahoma (not Texas)
"On Saturday, November 23, 1963, Jack Zangetty, the manager of a $150,000 modular motel complex near Lake Lugert, Oklahoma, remarked to some friends that "Three other men -- not Oswald -- killed the President."...Two weeks later, Jack Zangetty was found floating in Lake Lugert with bullet holes in his chest. It appeared to witnesses he had been in the water one to two weeks."
"Lou Staples, a radio announcer who was doing a good many of his radio shows on the Kennedy assassination, lost his life sometime on Friday night, May 13, 1977. This was near Yukon, Oklahoma. He had been having radio shows on the assassination since 1973 and the response to his programs was overwhelming."
Some interesting connections with Oklahoma.
Harry D. Holmes was born there, but then it was called 'Indian Territory'. He then moved to Kansas City. There is a Kansas news article where a Harry Holmes shoots a younger boy from behind in the head, killing him (no witnesses). The ages of the Harry's don't match by a few years. But it's a curious coincidence nevertheless. (Probably not to be taken too seriously.)
Walkers long time Lawyer, Watts had his office in Oklahoma. (aptly named Loony, Loony and Watts etc) From there, investigators were sent to Dallas on Walkers behalf to investigate the Walker shooting.
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During the search for the Mississippi three, a number of other bodies and body parts were found'. One wore a CORE T-shirt.
One of the Mississippi three victims had an independent autopsy allowed where the Southern Coroners report was shown to be suspect. Far more bones were obviously broken indicating a chain whipping. Accompanying all this is a plethora of "heart attacks" death certificates of blacks, caused by gunshots.
It seems that killings, often auto accdents. were pre event coordinated by Police, Highway Patrol, Coroners and the Killers, often KKK. (see assorted MSC docs).
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Where/who is Faye L. Blunt? He seems to have disappeared post WC publication after he renewed a connection with the FBI concerning an account told to him by a fifth floor prisoner viewing suspicious activity in the Terminal Annexe building which he tried repeatedly to get the FBI to investigate. I suspect he may have been a Chicago Black man, possibly in some welfare position.
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There are the unknown witesseses which may be found by statistical analysis of John and Jane Doe's in unmarked graves, records in the area around Dallas and other places.
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One of the Mississippi Three happened to be Michael Schwerner, my [New Rochelle High School] Biology teacher's son, from Pelham, NY. A friend of my family's. The report of the three Civil Rights workers bodies having been found in a shallow grave in Mississippi happened to have appeared in both the New Rochelle Standard Star, and the New York Times newspapers, in June 1964, coinciding with, and around the same time those ridiculous sketches of the "magic bullet's" trajectory through JFK's body were released from the Warren Commission Report [Lie].
So, between watching LHO request an attorney, and not being supplied with so much as a Public Defender, from the time of his arrest on November 22, 1963, to his death by gunshot wound to the abdomen on November 23, 1963. Then, after witnessing the funeral of my beloved President, observing the rapid escalation of the Vietnam War in 1964, only to be told with crudely drawn sketches, that this was how my President was killed, and to assume I was stupid enough to accept this scientifically absurd, logistic, and ballistic impossibility, no let me rephrase that, implausibility, known as the ''magic bullet." Couple this with the brutal death of a friend of my family's, who had been working to ensure the voting rights of Black American citizens, rights that should have been "a given," and were supposedly "guaranteed" a hundred years hence, by the Fourteenth Amendment, following the Civil War in 1865. Well, that was what you could term, "the end of the innocence," occurring within that seven month time span, in my faith and trust in the United States government. These events, their images, and the culmination thereof, would follow me for the rest of my life, indelibly influencing my social and political views.
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BULLETIN! BULLETIN! STOP THE PRESSES!
Thank you Kathleen, for your timely, watch-dog response. I will leave the error in place, bold in red, for all to witness my slip-shod attempts at recollection. Your "Kathy-On-The-Spot" award for efforts at maintaining journalistic integrity, is on the way.
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Typographical Error ( From: Kathleen Collins )
Terry, I just want to tell you in your post on dead witnesses that you wrote LHO was killed...Nov.23. It was Nov. 24.
Kathy
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Sent on: Today, 08:29 PM
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I have been in the Highlands investigating the assassination of someone by the British Secret Service during the Second World War. I believe it was part of a massive cover-up concerning a deal between Churchill and Hitler. I will post details on the forum when I get back next week.
I have just got back from the Scottish Highlands where I have been investigating the death on 25th August 1942, of Prince George, Duke of Kent, the fourth son of King George V. He was killed when his aircraft crashed into Eagles Rock near Dunbeath, Caithness, Scotland. He was the first member of the British Royal Family to be killed on active military service for 500 years. His death is shrouded in mystery. The official report into his death has never been published. In fact, the government claim that it has disappeared from the archives.
I believe that Prince George was assassinated by the British intelligence services on the orders of Winston Churchill. Prince George was one of many people murdered as part of a cover-up operation. It is a story that also involves Allen Dulles and the US intelligence services. It is also a story that involved a trial run for the MKULTRA project and therefore provides insights into the JFK Assassination.
This cover-up has been so successful that historians have been unable to write an accurate account of the Second World War. In fact, when the full story is told, Winston Churchill reputation will be in tatters.
Churchill once said: “History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.” He did. He was also in the position to destroy the evidence that contradicted the Churchill myth. That included ordering the assassination of people like Prince George of Kent.
One of the reasons that the creation of the Churchill myth has been so successful is that it appeals to the vanity of the British people. Churchill’s message was not only of his own courage but that of those willing to fight by his side against tyranny and injustice. As a result, British historians have been reluctant to question the reality of Churchill's actions between 1930 and 1945. No doubt my postings will upset some British members.
I will be telling this story over the next few weeks. Hopefully other members will join in the investigation. You will find this debate here:
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"One of the reasons that the creation of the Churchill myth has been so successful is that it appeals to the vanity of the British people. Churchill’s message was not only of his own courage but that of those willing to fight by his side against tyranny and injustice. As a result, British historians have been reluctant to question the reality of Churchill's actions between 1930 and 1945. No doubt my postings will upset some British members."
FWIW. In "Secret Team" Col. L. Fletcher Prouty reveals some shifty aspects of Churchill's personality, and in effect, Churchill's participation in creating the Cold War hysteria following World War II, by naming the countries in the Soviet bloc, as being "behind The Iron Curtain." A born elitist fascist, as far as I'm concerned, Sir Winston Churchill.
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Please do not turn this into a criticism of THIS forum, but of forums in general.
But this particular thread, I feel, is very indicative of what often happens.
WE begin with a most excellent subject, which somehow gets directed toward one tangent. This tangent or singular small aspect of the general subject, which is usually not terribly important within itself, "consumes" the original importance of the subject.
The result is frequently many pages (thousands of words) that add nothing that is terribly relevant to what is sometimes a very important subject, that is "talked to death", without entering the heart of the matter. We therefore later must return to the "important and relevant" subject....and often go thru the same process....often again with the same results.
I don't have a solution, merely a childish Utopian wish that discussions result in conclusions !
Charles Black
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"WE begin with a most excellent subject, which somehow gets directed toward one tangent. This tangent or singular small aspect of the general subject, which is usually not terribly important within itself, "consumes" the original importance of the subject."
You and John Dolva have brought up some excellent points, in this regard. I appreciate your suggestions on focusing the topic at hand, and John's ideas on which aspects would deem the more productive as far as rendering results in the form of data gathering are concerned. Especially on a particular individual, such as a DeMohrenschildt, or a Roselli, both of whom were considered to be viable "assets."
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6) Jack Zangretti – Dec., 1963 – Lake Lugert, Texas. Chicago mobster shot by UNSUB #5.
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"Project Pale Horse sidestepped the official U. S. Intelligence Coordination and Exploitation Program (ICEX), Lao, and GVN military chain of command, and had been running six years prior to the establishment of the "official" GVN Phoenix (Kế Hoạch Phụng Hoàng) program in Vietnam" IOW pre OP PHOENIX in '62 - '63.
Other accounts tell of selected Americans were also targeted for termination. One possible victim:
"Marguerite Higgins bluntly accused the American authorities of the November 2nd, 1963 killing of Premier Diem and his brother Nhu. A few months after her accusation, she died in a landmine explosion in Vietnam."
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Zangretti : Lake Lugert - Oklahoma (not Texas)
"On Saturday, November 23, 1963, Jack Zangetty, the manager of a $150,000 modular motel complex near Lake Lugert, Oklahoma, remarked to some friends that "Three other men -- not Oswald -- killed the President."...Two weeks later, Jack Zangetty was found floating in Lake Lugert with bullet holes in his chest. It appeared to witnesses he had been in the water one to two weeks."
"Lou Staples, a radio announcer who was doing a good many of his radio shows on the Kennedy assassination, lost his life sometime on Friday night, May 13, 1977. This was near Yukon, Oklahoma. He had been having radio shows on the assassination since 1973 and the response to his programs was overwhelming."
Some interesting connections with Oklahoma.
Harry D. Holmes was born there, but then it was called 'Indian Territory'. He then moved to Kansas City. There is a Kansas news article where a Harry Holmes shoots a younger boy from behind in the head, killing him (no witnesses). The ages of the Harry's don't match by a few years. But it's a curious coincidence nevertheless. (Probably not to be taken too seriously.)
Walkers long time Lawyer, Watts had his office in Oklahoma. (aptly named Loony, Loony and Watts etc) From there, investigators were sent to Dallas on Walkers behalf to investigate the Walker shooting.
_______________________
During the search for the Mississippi three, a number of other bodies and body parts were found'. One wore a CORE T-shirt.
One of the Mississippi three victims had an independent autopsy allowed where the Southern Coroners report was shown to be suspect. Far more bones were obviously broken indicating a chain whipping. Accompanying all this is a plethora of "heart attacks" death certificates of blacks, caused by gunshots.
It seems that killings, often auto accdents. were pre event coordinated by Police, Highway Patrol, Coroners and the Killers, often KKK. (see assorted MSC docs).
______________
Where/who is Faye L. Blunt? He seems to have disappeared post WC publication after he renewed a connection with the FBI concerning an account told to him by a fifth floor prisoner viewing suspicious activity in the Terminal Annexe building which he tried repeatedly to get the FBI to investigate. I suspect he may have been a Chicago Black man, possibly in some welfare position.
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There are the unknown witesseses which may be found by statistical analysis of John and Jane Doe's in unmarked graves, records in the area around Dallas and other places.
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One of the Mississippi Three happened to be Michael Schwerner, my [New Rochelle High School] Biology teacher's son, from Pelham, NY. A friend of my family's. The report of the three Civil Rights workers bodies having been found in a shallow grave in Mississippi happened to have appeared in both the New Rochelle Standard Star, and the New York Times newspapers, in June 1964, coinciding with, and around the same time those ridiculous sketches of the "magic bullet's" trajectory through JFK's body were released from the Warren Commission Report [Lie].
So, between watching LHO request an attorney, and not being supplied with so much as a Public Defender, from the time of his arrest on November 22, 1963, to his death by gunshot wound to the abdomen on November 23, 1963. Then, after witnessing the funeral of my beloved President, observing the rapid escalation of the Vietnam War in 1964, only to be told with crudely drawn sketches, that this was how my President was killed, and to assume I was stupid enough to accept this scientifically absurd, logistic, and ballistic impossibility, no let me rephrase that, implausibility, known as the ''magic bullet." Couple this with the brutal death of a friend of my family's, who had been working to ensure the voting rights of Black American citizens, rights that should have been "a given," and were supposedly "guaranteed" a hundred years hence, by the Fourteenth Amendment, following the Civil War in 1865. Well, that was what you could term, "the end of the innocence," occurring within that seven month time span, in my faith and trust in the United States government. These events, their images, and the culmination thereof, would follow me for the rest of my life, indelibly influencing my social and political views.
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More:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?pid=99579
"| Posted 07/06/2006 @ 2:32pm
Nation and NY Times: Bay of Pigs Deja Vu
"While the Bush Administration's war on a free, independent and aggressive media is unparalleled, US government attempts to suppress information are not new. More than forty years ago, for example, the New York Times acceded to the Kennedy Administration's request that it play down its advance knowledge of the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion. (In a recent editorial, the Times wrote that "it seems in hindsight that the editors were over-cautious" by not printing what they knew about the invasion.)
In his open letter explaining the decision to publish the banking records story, Executive Editor Bill Keller referred to the Times' handling of the Bay of Pigs story. "Our biggest failures," Keller wrote, "have generally been when we failed to dig deep enough or to report fully enough. After the Times played down its advance knowledge of the Bay of Pigs invasion, President Kennedy reportedly said he wished we had published what we knew and perhaps prevented a fiasco."
What is little known is the role The Nation played in this story. In November 1960, The Nation published the first article on preparations being made for what would become the Bay of Pigs invasion. According to Carey McWilliams, The Nation's editor at the time, "Ronald Hilton, director of Stanford University's Institute of Hispanic-American Studies had just returned from Guatemala with reports that it was common knowledge --indeed, it had been reported in La Hora, a leading newspaper, on October 30--that the CIA was training a guerrilla force at a secret base for an early invasion of Cuba." McWilliams promptly got in touch with Hilton, who confirmed details, and agreed that he could be quoted. McWilliams wrote an article setting forth the facts Hilton had given him, including the location of the base near the mountain town of Retalhulea. If the reports were true, McWilliams wrote, "then public pressure should be brought to bear upon the administration to abandon this dangerous and hare-brained project." in the meantime, he added, the facts should be checked out immediately "by all US news media with correspondents in Guatemala." Although a special press release was prepared-- to which copies of the article were attached-- the wire services ignored the story and only one or two papers mentioned it.
However, The Nation's article was then called to the attention of a New York Times editor who assigned Times' reporter Paul Kennedy to do a story. Kennedy filed an article in January 1961 covering similar ground to the Nation's. But it was the Tad Szulc article in the Times-- that ran only a week before the invasion in April 1961 --that Kennedy called the Times's publisher about. The New York Times yielded to the President's demand that the story be reduced in prominence and detail.
According to McWilliams's memoirs (and the Columbia University "Forum" on "The Press and the Bay of Pigs" of Fall 1967), a week or so after the Bay of Pigs fiasco a group of press executives met with President Kennedy at the White House. "At this session," McWilliams recounts, "the President complained of premature disclosure of security information in the press and cited Paul Kennedy's story in the New York Times as a case in point. The New York Times' Turner Catledge then reminded Kennedy that reports about the base had previously appeared in the Guatemalan newspaper La Hora and The Nation."
The President reportedly turned to Catledge and said, "if you had printed more about the operation, you would have saved us from a colossal mistake." More than a year later, Kennedy told the New York Times' Orvil Dryfoos, "I wish you had run everything on Cuba...I am just sorry you didn't tell it at the time."
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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKszulc.htm
"(1) Tad Szulc, New York Times (7th April, 1961)
This is a city of open secrets and rampaging rumors for the legions of exiled Cubans who plot the downfall of Premier Fidel Castro and his regime. Men come and go quietly on their secret missions of sabotage and gun-running into Cuba, while others assemble at staging points here to be flown at night to military camps in Guatemala and Louisiana... The exiles intend... to gain a beachhead in Cuba to set up a 'Government in Arms' and then request diplomatic recognition by foreign nations."
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I somehow seemed to have missed this thread when it started. As I read through it, one fact remained blatantly clear, and that was the direct violation of The Geneva Accords, the Bay of Pigs, as well as the assignment of those supposed "advisers" to SEA from the late 1950's through the culmination of the Vietnam "conflict." Training of foreign nationals, on their own soil, for potential invasion of another country. A former French colony, regardless of whether they asked us for assistance or not, we still proceeded to insert ourselves in their civil war under the guise of that time-worn excuse, "protecting the free world from Communism." And, to this day, we continue to allow the C.I.A. to interfere, or engage, if you will, on behalf of Wall Street, for the soul purpose of extracting a targetted nation's resources, be it their natural resources, or their sweat-shop laboring human resources. Only now, the rapidly becoming time-worn excuse is that we're "protecting the free world from Islamic "terrorists."" The United States and its mother country, The United Kingdom, continue to violate the rules and regulations of engagement agreed upon, and drawn up, as a direct result of the abuses inflicted upon the rights of humans, the conditions under which people were allowed to engage in mortal combat, and that no nation state's constitutional rights be infringed upon, or seized by empirical means. These rights were set forth in The Geneva Accords following the Second World War. The violations of these accords continue unabated by the very nations who contributed the time and effort to draft them in the first place.
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Hi Terry,
Great post. I agree.
BTW, I think you meant to say "sole purpose" rather than "soul purpose." (lol)
I always look forward to your posts. Really!
--Thomas
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"BTW, I think you meant to say "sole purpose" rather than "soul purpose." (lol)
HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH!
Hey, that's hysterical! Talk about a case of "hoof 'n' mouth" disease. Thanks, Thomas. The more left-brained I become, the more my spelling tends to suffer. It's funny because when I see the word, "sole" I immediately think of filet of sole. Jeez, can you imagine? I've probably been totally disregarding the spelling of "sole" in favor of "soul" because I think it's a fish! And, at least for the last couple of years! Gad!
I need a change of scene. But damn, that was a good laugh! -
More:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?pid=99579
"| Posted 07/06/2006 @ 2:32pm
Nation and NY Times: Bay of Pigs Deja Vu
"While the Bush Administration's war on a free, independent and aggressive media is unparalleled, US government attempts to suppress information are not new. More than forty years ago, for example, the New York Times acceded to the Kennedy Administration's request that it play down its advance knowledge of the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion. (In a recent editorial, the Times wrote that "it seems in hindsight that the editors were over-cautious" by not printing what they knew about the invasion.)
In his open letter explaining the decision to publish the banking records story, Executive Editor Bill Keller referred to the Times' handling of the Bay of Pigs story. "Our biggest failures," Keller wrote, "have generally been when we failed to dig deep enough or to report fully enough. After the Times played down its advance knowledge of the Bay of Pigs invasion, President Kennedy reportedly said he wished we had published what we knew and perhaps prevented a fiasco."
What is little known is the role The Nation played in this story. In November 1960, The Nation published the first article on preparations being made for what would become the Bay of Pigs invasion. According to Carey McWilliams, The Nation's editor at the time, "Ronald Hilton, director of Stanford University's Institute of Hispanic-American Studies had just returned from Guatemala with reports that it was common knowledge --indeed, it had been reported in La Hora, a leading newspaper, on October 30--that the CIA was training a guerrilla force at a secret base for an early invasion of Cuba." McWilliams promptly got in touch with Hilton, who confirmed details, and agreed that he could be quoted. McWilliams wrote an article setting forth the facts Hilton had given him, including the location of the base near the mountain town of Retalhulea. If the reports were true, McWilliams wrote, "then public pressure should be brought to bear upon the administration to abandon this dangerous and hare-brained project." in the meantime, he added, the facts should be checked out immediately "by all US news media with correspondents in Guatemala." Although a special press release was prepared-- to which copies of the article were attached-- the wire services ignored the story and only one or two papers mentioned it.
However, The Nation's article was then called to the attention of a New York Times editor who assigned Times' reporter Paul Kennedy to do a story. Kennedy filed an article in January 1961 covering similar ground to the Nation's. But it was the Tad Szulc article in the Times-- that ran only a week before the invasion in April 1961 --that Kennedy called the Times's publisher about. The New York Times yielded to the President's demand that the story be reduced in prominence and detail.
According to McWilliams's memoirs (and the Columbia University "Forum" on "The Press and the Bay of Pigs" of Fall 1967), a week or so after the Bay of Pigs fiasco a group of press executives met with President Kennedy at the White House. "At this session," McWilliams recounts, "the President complained of premature disclosure of security information in the press and cited Paul Kennedy's story in the New York Times as a case in point. The New York Times' Turner Catledge then reminded Kennedy that reports about the base had previously appeared in the Guatemalan newspaper La Hora and The Nation."
The President reportedly turned to Catledge and said, "if you had printed more about the operation, you would have saved us from a colossal mistake." More than a year later, Kennedy told the New York Times' Orvil Dryfoos, "I wish you had run everything on Cuba...I am just sorry you didn't tell it at the time."
On edit:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKszulc.htm
"(1) Tad Szulc, New York Times (7th April, 1961)
This is a city of open secrets and rampaging rumors for the legions of exiled Cubans who plot the downfall of Premier Fidel Castro and his regime. Men come and go quietly on their secret missions of sabotage and gun-running into Cuba, while others assemble at staging points here to be flown at night to military camps in Guatemala and Louisiana... The exiles intend... to gain a beachhead in Cuba to set up a 'Government in Arms' and then request diplomatic recognition by foreign nations."
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I somehow seemed to have missed this thread when it started. As I read through it, one fact remained blatantly clear, and that was the direct violation of The Geneva Accords, the Bay of Pigs, as well as the assignment of those supposed "advisers" to SEA from the late 1950's through the culmination of the Vietnam "conflict." Training of foreign nationals, on their own soil, for potential invasion of another country. A former French colony, regardless of whether they asked us for assistance or not, we still proceeded to insert ourselves in their civil war under the guise of that time-worn excuse, "protecting the free world from Communism." And, to this day, we continue to allow the C.I.A. to interfere, or engage, if you will, on behalf of Wall Street, for the soul purpose of extracting a targetted nation's resources, be it their natural resouces, or their sweat-shop laboring human resources. Only now, the rapidly becoming time-worn excuse is that we're "protecting the free world from Islamic "terrorists."" The United States and its mother country, The United Kingdom, continue to violate the rules and regulations of engagement agreed upon, and drawn up, as a direct result of the abuses inflicted upon the rights of humans, the conditions under which people were allowed to engage in mortal combat, and that no nation state's constitutional rights be infringed upon, or seized by empirical means. These rights were set forth in The Geneva Accords following the Second World War. The violations of these accords continue unabated by the very nations who contributed the time and effort to draft them in the first place.
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And please, if you will, show me the direct relevance her death, be it by murder, suicide, or natural causes, has with the assassination of Kennedy.
For the record, I don't think Karyn's murder has any relevance to the JFK assassination, but some folks do, so that's why it is being discussed here. I don't think Karyn committed suicide, but some folks do, so that's why her personal life is being discussed, too. I think Ms. Mauro is mainly reacting to Kathy's tone, and that's fair. --Paul
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Thank you for your reply, Professor Fecteau. It's not so much Ms. Collin's tone, as her lack of cohesiveness in attempting to tie Kupcinet's death to the assassination with what strikes me as nothing less than what Jacqueline Kennedy once used to described gossip columnists, or newspaper paparazzi with the term, "harpies." That "harpy-esque" quality inherent in groundless, or baseless hearsay, employed mainly to draw-in those unsuspecting, or "uninformed" minds, seeking to be "in-the-know," if you will. Possibly similar to a form of witless, or unintentional, distribution of dis or mis-information? Yet, strictly for the purpose of targetting or attracting a level of mindset, or sector of society interested in that form of news gathering. Unfortunately, a sad reflection on the intelligence quotient of present day U.S. society, in light of the sales generated by that form of, what used to be classified as, "yellow" journalism. And, if that is representative of what the term, "tone" is, relative to a particular style? Then, I'd have to say, you're right on the mark.
I need a change of scene. But damn, that was a good laugh!
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"I supported Barry Goldwater because I got to know him fairly well as a person and even arranged for him to speak at Georgetown University while I was an undergraduate there. He was a rational person and not a knee-jerk, right-wing zealot. My opposition to Senator Kennedy was based on my being a loyal Republican at the time, holding the position of chairman of the College Young Republican Federation of the District of Columbia."
Thank you for being forthcoming with that.
"Goldwater, heir to an Arizona department store fortune, was fiercely independent and not a tool of any entity."
My father, a staunch Republican, following World War II, would vote for Goldwater based upon those exact same character attributes. Pretty much the same reasons I would vote for Ross Perot, some three decades later. Unfortunately, I was under the false impression you could somehow "fight fire, with fire," back then. But, all you really managed to accomplish was splitting the vote, allowing for your worst nightmare to prevail.
Fuelner then founded the Heritage Foundation and Weyrich the Committee for a Free Congress, both bankrolled by Joseph Coors.
A well-known pit of fascist vipers, if ever one existed. It must have come as a rude awakening to find what you had once considered as the noblest of intentions on the part of your party, in reality merely amounted to nothing short of the most bastardized interpretation of "noblesse oblige," intended solely for the benefit of none other than the privileged few, themselves.
"Today America and the world are reaping the whirlwind of corruption and evil that these men and their organizations have spawned."
Too bad you couldn't have been on our side when it really mattered. But, it no doubt must have been strange having to deal with some really dangerous characters, the likes of E.H., G. Gordon, Fiorini, and that other high mucky-muck from Langley, whose name escapes me at the moment. I would presume this may have been around the time you most likely experienced your own "end of the innocence," if I'm not mistaken.
I just think it's a shame to have wasted all that talent on securing the fort for a den of thieves who could have cared less about the majority of the human race, except for what they might rob, steal, plunder, garner, and rape, from it. Your time could have been much better spent elsewhere. But, who am I to be the judge of that? I'm just glad you were able to come around and observe what matter of hell-hath-finally-been-wrought at the hands of your former employers.