Terry Mauro

Janet Wallace's father flew for TWA well into his sixties, and is still flying his private plane around Ventura County in his eighties.

And can't get anybody to fly with him.

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Hey Ron, you're a real hot-shot, aren't you!

No, Mr. Wallace happens to be a rugged man, a non-smoker, who'd rather be building fences and corrals on his daughter's horse ranch.

His eyesight is a helluvalot better than those of us half his age, who sit in front of a computer screen all day.

Let's face it. Some folks are just naturally blessed with a superior gene pool, I suppose.

Hi I am a friend of Tosh's. His brother ask me to post. I do not have all the details, but received word Sunday that he and Tom Walker his co-pilot went down in Afgan Sat. in a freak storm storm. Will give more details when we receive them. The information came from a DEA friend of Tosh's in Houston Texas. Do not know what Tosh was working on but it was said it was a classified "BlackWater " field operation. Thats all we have at this time.

Afhan is not in South America.

Wrong continent.

BK

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"Hi I am a friend of Tosh's. His brother ask me to post. I do not have all the details, but received word Sunday that he and Tom Walker his co-pilot went down in Afgan Sat. in a freak storm storm. Will give more details when we receive them. The information came from a DEA friend of Tosh's in Houston Texas. Do not know what Tosh was working on but it was said it was a classified "BlackWater " field operation. Thats all we have at this time."

I saw where he went down in Afghanistan with his co-pilot Tom Walker, in a freak storm, on Saturday.

Where did you see mention of South America, in that post?

In the subject line Terry.

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"In the subject line Terry."

Sorry, Billy. Sorry, Myra. Guess I wasn't paying attention, and skipped right over that.

Now that John's revealed the IP and specs on the poster, I'm becoming a little skeptical as to the veracity of the claim.

Also, a few years back, Plumlee's daughter was posting over on DellaRosa's forum, and I do believe that if something had happened to her Dad, she'd have been the first one to have posted word at least here, and if not on Lancer, as well.

How old is Tosh? It seems a bit odd to me that someone his age would be depended upon to fly around the world on covert missions. You would expect covert operators to use someone relatively young and vigorous, to avoid the risk of, say, dying at the yoke from a heart attack or old age.

Just wondering.

Totally agreed about that Ron.

I'll accept Peter's assurance that he still flew.

But the age factor makes this scenario even more incredible.

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"I'll accept Peter's assurance that he still flew."

My girlfriend, Janet Wallace's father flew for TWA well into his sixties, and is still flying his private plane around Ventura County in his eighties.

Hi I am a friend of Tosh's. His brother ask me to post. I do not have all the details, but received word Sunday that he and Tom Walker his co-pilot went down in Afgan Sat. in a freak storm storm. Will give more details when we receive them. The information came from a DEA friend of Tosh's in Houston Texas. Do not know what Tosh was working on but it was said it was a classified "BlackWater " field operation. Thats all we have at this time.

Afhan is not in South America.

Wrong continent.

BK

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"Hi I am a friend of Tosh's. His brother ask me to post. I do not have all the details, but received word Sunday that he and Tom Walker his co-pilot went down in Afgan Sat. in a freak storm storm. Will give more details when we receive them. The information came from a DEA friend of Tosh's in Houston Texas. Do not know what Tosh was working on but it was said it was a classified "BlackWater " field operation. Thats all we have at this time."

I saw where he went down in Afghanistan with his co-pilot Tom Walker, in a freak storm, on Saturday.

Where did you see mention of South America, in that post?

That's just the kind of mistake Tosh would make.

The fact that so many people doubt the veracity of this post says a lot.

If he really died (in Afgan, South America...) in the manner stated and some close friend knows him well enough to know he posted some on the forum (but not well enough to know he stopped posting) and also knows his login, then he was working for a monstrous company of mercenaries and criminals and murderers. From CIA to Blackwater. What's in a name?

If he didn't really die then this is a despicable (but not uncommon on the internet) stunt, while people are still reeling over the loss of Tim Carroll no less. In fact the timing is rather incredible. It makes me wonder if he got the idea for the (possible) stunt from the thread on Tim.

I don't suppose it's possible to get confirmation of this story?

What with it being covert and classified and all...

Some things never change.

Myra, someone could have gotten his computer info very easily: The FBI. It's been proven today that the FBI has been monitoring some people through their own Spyware. Wouldn't Tosh Plumlee be one of the ones the govt is spying on? Maybe everyone on this Forum is being spywared. Anyway, at thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com I have posted a link and part of the article about the FBI admitting it spies on citizens. The article says what their spyware can find out about you; what it targets. And apparently, it's legal.

Kathy

Myra, Kathy,

This is not a hoax. Tim's wife called Tosh when Tim died, left a voicemail, and did not hear back. I also left one today and have not heard back. This is TOTALLY not Tosh.

He cared about his friends here and always returned calls. Sometimes he'd just call to say hello, like he did with me about a month ago. Chris told me yesterday that he and Tim talked recently also.

I wish this was not true...but...not hearing back from Tosh is completely unlike him.

Dawn

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Send my condolences to his wife, mother, and kids. This doesn't look good, at all.

The Irish in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, and the Hell's Kitchen section of New York City, were known to pronounce it as "axed."

And they chopped down trees with an ask.

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HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH!

Cholley my boy! Oh, Cholley my boy! Your name in pronounced like trolley, Charlie.

I still think it's an "off-the-boat" butcher job of the lingo, by the new arrivals to hit the shores. Either that, or the dregs and "dumbed downs" continued to come in search of these streets supposedly paved with gold. They should've been directed to the Aztecs, because streets of Manhattan were paved with cobblestones.

The Irish in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, and the Hell's Kitchen section of New York City, were known to pronounce it as "axed."

And they chopped down trees with an ask.

Unfortunately, I came from a Jersey City, NJ family and I pronounced asked as the A in air then gst. Agst. Mayor Koch made a big thing about New Yorkers pronouncing asked in that way. So I had to learn how to say it right; it's a bit difficult.

I notice people from that area often say schtraight ahead or Spruce Schtreet. I had to learn to leave that schtr sound out. This was in my '30's. A girlfriend of mine, who comes from Maine, recently alerted me to the fact that I pronounce tomorrow as tamorra. I never knew this.

BTW, Harvey Oswald was not an American. In my opinion.

Kathy

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"A girlfriend of mine, who comes from Maine, recently alerted me to the fact that I pronounce tomorrow as tamorra. I never knew this."

So did Little Orphan Annie.

More like, "Tamahra! Tamahra! I'll love ya tamahra. You're always a day away."

Yeah, those Noo Yawka's tawk weird.

And, Harvey was either Hungarian or Romanian.

"I notice people from that area often say schtraight ahead or Spruce Schtreet. I had to learn to leave that schtr sound out."

Hey Kath, are you sure you weren't raised in the black ghetto of Jersey? These words you're describing are definitely Harlem vernacular. Like 125th Street Harlem. Some of my bruthas' and sistas' still go around shucking and jiving like that, pronouncing ask as axed, and "Now, lishen here. Lemme get this schtraight!" But, that's usually when they're goofing on themselves or someone in the crowd, by making a point of reverting back to some kind of ebonics "lazy" way of expressing themselves. More as a way of calling attention to someone who's not acting like they've got a brain or 2 cents between their ears. Similar to something called, "running the dozens" on each other. Calling each other out, for acting or talking like a fool.

"When he was handing out FPCC flyers, I don't recall if his voice was recorded at all on that occasion. I wonder what his first language was -- Hungarian or Russian? In the Russian tape, you know he's not speaking English correctly; it's like he was learning it."

I remember distinctly on the tape of that radio debate, the pronunciation of the word New Orleans by this person who was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald, and a native resident of New Orleans. He pronounced New Orleans the way people NOT raised in New Orleans, or in the way tourists pronounced the name as New Or-leens. When in reality, anyone who's ever lived there, or spent any considerable amount of time there, knows that the citizens of New Orleans pronounce the name of their city as New Awlins, NOT New Or-leens. That was my first skeptical impression of this person, Lee Harvey Oswald, from hearing his voice and speech in that radio debate.

Terry...Louisiana people I know say NOR'-LINS (phonetic, note accent).

I have heard NAW'-LINS. They do not enunciate NEW and say it as one word.

Texas people say NEW-OR'LINS.

Some southerners may say NOO-AW'LINS.

Nationally it may be NEW-OR'LE-ANS or NEW-OR-LEEN'Z.

My observations FWIW.

Jack

I just listened again to the tapes and a video of him talking to the press while in police custody. That man is not an American. But I noticed one thing: he pronounces the word "asked" the way many New Yorkers do. I myself always pronounced it like that, but learned how to say it correctly. Oswald pronounced it "agst."

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"Some southerners may say NOO-AW'LINS."

That's the way my mother's family from Georgia/Alabama always pronounced it. Every year at harvest time, they would to take their crops by barge through the Tennessee Valley Authority to the Arkansas, to the Mississippi, on down to Noo Awlins. But, my girlfriend Beth, who was born and raised on the fringes of The Quarter, and my old boyfriend from the Claiborne district pronounced it New Awlins. Of course, please remember that phonetically, I pronounce New as Noo. When I was living on Esplanade, I cannot remember anyone ever pronouncing it as one word, like that chef down there, Prudhomme, back in the 1980's, who ran it all together into something like Nahlins, or Nawlins. I had never heard it pronounced in that bastardized version when I was living there. I assumed it might have been some kind of Cajun extraction of the word, when I heard people mimicking that pronunciation of it.

As far as the pronunciation of "asked" as "axed," it's more inherent in the black culture, or in the "off-the-boat" immigrants entering the ports of New York, phonetically pronounced as Noo Yawk, by the populace born and raised there. The Irish in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, and the Hell's Kitchen section of New York City, were known to pronounce it as "axed."

John wrote:

"Good question Tim, I also wonder if a study could be conducted of Oswald's voice in these two tapes and whether they are the same person. I will take a look around for some people in that field."

And how about Oswald's recorded debate in NO? Could not a voice stress analysist determine if the views being espoused by LHO were actually held by him?

There are 4 sources that I know of to hear LHO's voice. The Russian tape in 1961 (Kennedy had just been inaugurated); the 2 radio interviews in 1963; and when he was in custody in the Dallas police station.

When he was handing out FPCC flyers, I don't recall if his voice was recorded at all on that occasion. I wonder what his first language was -- Hungarian or Russian? In the Russian tape, you know he's not speaking English correctly; it's like he was learning it.

According to (I know, everybody hates him) Norman Mailer, Marina said his Russian wasn't too good when she met him but he was improving. If this is true, than Russian might have been another language he had to learn. What was his first language -- Hungarian? -- as the Oswalds were supposedly Hungarian. Whatever the combination, you have to listen to that Russian tape. It's so weird.

Kathy

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"When he was handing out FPCC flyers, I don't recall if his voice was recorded at all on that occasion. I wonder what his first language was -- Hungarian or Russian? In the Russian tape, you know he's not speaking English correctly; it's like he was learning it."

I remember distinctly on the tape of that radio debate, the pronunciation of the word New Orleans by this person who was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald, and a native resident of New Orleans. He pronounced New Orleans the way people NOT raised in New Orleans, or in the way tourists pronounced the name as New Or-leens. When in reality, anyone who's ever lived there, or spent any considerable amount of time there, knows that the citizens of New Orleans pronounce the name of their city as New Awlins, NOT New Or-leens. That was my first skeptical impression of this person, Lee Harvey Oswald, from hearing his voice and speech in that radio debate.

Very sad news considering Tim was still quite young. My condolences to Tim's family.

Farewell, Tim.

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More songs for Tim:

"Follow"

(Words by Jerry Merrick from Ritchie Havens's first album)

Let the river rock you like a cradle

Climb to the treetops, child, if you're able

Let your hands tie a knot across the table.

Come and touch the things you cannot feel.

And close your fingertips and fly where I can't hold you

Let the sun-rain fall and let the dewy clouds enfold you

And maybe you can sing to me the words I just told you,

If all the things you feel ain't what they seem.

And don't mind me 'cos I ain't nothin' but a dream.

The mocking bird sings each different song

Each song has wings - they won't stay long.

Do those who hear think he's doing wrong?

While the church bell tolls its one-note song

And the school bell is tinkling to the throng.

Come here where your ears cannot hear.

And close your eyes, child, and listen to what I'll tell you

Follow in the darkest night the sounds that may impel you

And the song that I am singing may disturb or serve to quell you

If all the sounds you hear ain't what they seem,

Then don't mind me 'cos I ain't nothin' but a dream.

The rising smell of fresh-cut grass,

Smothered cities choke and yell with fuming gas;

I hold some grapes up to the sun

And their flavour breaks upon my tongue.

With eager tongues we taste our strife

And fill our lungs with seas of life.

Come taste and smell the waters of our time.

And close your lips, child, so softly I might kiss you,

Let your flower perfume out and let the winds caress you.

As I walk on through the garden, I am hoping I don't miss you

If all the things you taste ain't what they seem,

Then don't mind me 'cos I ain't nothin' but a dream.

The sun and moon both are right,

And we'll see them soon through days of night

But now silver leaves on mirrors bring delight.

And the colours of your eyes are fiery bright,

While darkness blinds the skies with all its light.

Come see where your eyes cannot see.

And close your eyes, child, and look at what I'll show you;

Let your mind go reeling out and let the breezes blow you,

Then maybe, when we meet, suddenly I will know you.

If all the things you see ain't what they seem,

Then don't mind me 'cos I ain't nothin' but a dream .

And you can follow; And you can follow; follow...

"The Great Mandala (The Wheel Of Life)"

(Peter Yarrow)

[Verse:]

So I told him that he'd better shut his mouth

And do his job like a man.

And he answered "Listen, Father,

I will never kill another."

He thinks he's better

than his brother that died.

What the hell does he think he's doing

To his father who brought him up right?

[Chorus:]

Take your place on The Great Mandala

As it moves through your brief moment of time.

Win or lose now you must choose now

And if you lose you're only losing your life.

[Verse:]

Tell the jailer not to bother

With his meal of bread and water today.

He is fasting 'til the killing's over.

He's a martyr, he thinks he's a prophet

But he's a coward, he's just playing a game

He can't do it, he can't change it

It's been going on for ten thousand years.

[Chorus:]

Take your place on The Great Mandala

As it moves through your brief moment of time.

Win or lose now you must choose now

And if you lose you're only losing your life.

[Verse:]

Tell the people they are safe now

Hunger stopped him, he lies still in his cell.

Death has gagged his accusations.

We are free now, we can kill now,

We can hate now, now we can end the world.

We're not guilty, he was crazy,

And it's been going on for ten thousand years!

[Chorus:]

Take your place on The Great Mandala

As it moves through your brief moment of time.

Win or lose now you must choose now

And if you lose you've only wasted your life.

I'll Remember You

(Words and music by Bob Dylan)

I'll remember you

When I've forgotten all the rest,

You to me were true,

You to me were the best.

When there was no more,

You would cut to the core

Quicker than anyone I ever knew.

When I'm all alone

In the great unknown,

I'll remember you.

I'll remember you

At the end of the trail,

I had so much left to do,

I had so little time to fail.

There's some people that

You don't forget,

Even though you've only seen'm

One time or two.

When the roses fade

And I'm in the shade,

I'll remember you.

Didn't I, didn't I try to love you?

Didn't I, didn't I try to care?

Didn't I sleep, didn't I weep beside you

With the rain blowing in your hair?

I'll remember you

When the wind blows through the piney wood.

It was you who came right through,

It was you who understood.

Though I'd never say

That I done it the way

That you'd have liked me to.

In the end,

My dear sweet friend,

I'll remember you.

I Will Remember You

(by Sarah McLachlan, Seamus Egan, and Dave Merenda)

I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

Remember the good times that we had?

I let them slip away from us when things got bad

How clearly I first saw you smilin’ in the sun

Wanna feel your warmth upon me, I wanna be the one

I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

I’m so tired but I can’t sleep

Standin’ on the edge of something much too deep

It’s funny how we feel so much but we cannot say a word

We are screaming inside, but we can’t be heard

But I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

I’m so afraid to love you, but more afraid to loose

Clinging to a past that doesn’t let me choose

Once there was a darkness, deep and endless night

You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me light

And I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

And I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

Weep not for the memories

Charles...what you propose is called DEEP POLITICS by Peter Dale Scott

and has been well studied by deep thinkers like Scott and others. I agree

that it is different from studying the evidence.

Those of us who continue to study the evidence keep hoping to find

OVERWHELMING UNDENIABLE PROOF that the murder could only have

been accomplished by persons within the govt...a COUP.

I think the proof is already there in many forms, but a compliant media

and govt provocateurs obfuscate it. Take, for instance, the autopsy x-rays.

Dr. Mantik proves BEYOND DOUBT that they are faked. Who could have

faked them?...ONLY SOMEONE FOLLOWING GOVT ORDERS...not Russians,

Cubans, Mafia, etc. Who headed the investigation who could give such

orders?...Johnson, Hoover, Dulles, et al.

Jack

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"Who headed the investigation who could give such

orders?...Johnson, Hoover, Dulles, et al."

DULLES. First, foremost, and above everyone else.

Maybe a list of censored "SWEAR" words should be posted. Not everyone

knows. Prudes discern swearing in many commonplace words. Such a list

would allow underage forum members to know what they are missing

without being subjected to them in postings. Most kids know more of them

than I do anyway. Personally I try to avoid all CURSEWORDS, especially

those of the religious sort.

How many minors are forum members anyway?

Maybe we should start a thread where members can propose words

to be on the banned list. I am sure Brits would ban "bloody", which

might handicap discussion of autopsy reports.

I am vehemently against ad hominem personal attacks, whether or not

they use "swear" words. I am not against colorful language which is in

common everyday use unless it is directed at a particular person.

I am for exemplary writing, and all should eschew crude or coarse

language except in SELF-DEFENSE. When unfairly attacked, one must

expose the attacker in no uncertain terms. Daintiness is perceived

as cowardice.

Jack

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"I am for exemplary writing, and all should eschew crude or coarse

language except in SELF-DEFENSE. When unfairly attacked, one must

expose the attacker in no uncertain terms. Daintiness is perceived

as cowardice."

I've got a book I purchased back in 1994 with the title, "The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense" by Suzette Haden Elgin, but was informed that my reading of it, would only serve as a lost cause. Why? Because, I swear from a man's P.O.V.

Well, that's how I learned, from my father and my brothers.

The main point is this forum was set up for children...

We know that John. That's why we're acting like children.

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HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH!

That's what I love about you, Myra. Your dry wit.

Terry Mauro and I talked with Tim fairly regularily until recently. I knew it was getting close but it is still a shock. We will miss his rare intelligence and never failing humor.

Dawn

(Thanks John G. I did receive an email from Chris but I was out til now).

With sadness.

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I just got off the phone with you, Hon. As you know, I went to my mailbox and found Cris' e-mail, to which I replied, as you and I were consoling one another. As I stated to Cris, if anyone was in a state of denial, it was me. I get that way sometimes, when a person crosses my path in life and leaves such an indelible impression upon it. I had no idea until I opened your e-mail first, and didn't even see Cris's down near the bottom of the page.

There seems to be such a heaviness in the air, right now. Everything is still and quiet on a Saturday morning.

I hear a lone crow calling out on a wire from the lines above, out in front of the house.

God rest T.C.'s soul, bless his heart.

I'm going to miss him, like crazy.

For Tim:

Has anybody here seen my old friend Abraham?

Can you tell me where he's gone?

He freed a lot of people,

But it seems the good they die young.

You know, I just looked around and he's gone.

Anybody here seen my old friend John?

Can you tell me where he's gone?

He freed a lot of people,

But it seems the good they die young.

I just looked around and he's gone.

Anybody here seen my old friend Martin?

Can you tell me where he's gone?

He freed a lot of people,

But it seems the good they die young.

I just looked 'round and he's gone.

Didn't you love the things that they stood for?

Didn't they try to find some good for you and me?

And we'll be free

Some day soon, and it's a-gonna be one day ...

Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?

Can you tell me where he's gone?

I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill,

With Abraham, Martin and John.

If I could poke my head in here and give my 2c worth...

Being a sailor, I've heard streams of invective that contain swear words from around the globe. It doesn't phase me one little bit. If I haven't been called it, I probably will be someday. And my language can be VERY 'colourful' at times.

That being said, I think it says something for the posters who can make their points - forcefully & convincingly - without swearing. If you feel it necessary to insult an opponent, it shows a little class if you are able to do it without resorting to swearing. Indeed, the old adage says that the art of diplomacy is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way as to make them look forward to the journey!

(climbs off soapbox)

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"Indeed, the old adage says that the art of diplomacy is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way as to make them look forward to the journey!"

A definite art in its own right, or should that be "write?"

Having been very nicely and politely scolded over my ocassional use of the world's utmost leading Anglo Saxon word, I thought I might just add my bit.

That bit is about context. If swearing is used in anger and to abuse others then okay, banish it. It is all too easy to get into a flame war over the internet.

However, if that context is humour, or is used as a wonderful and sardonic descriptive, then I see no reason whatsoever to ban it.

All rules are made to be broken and only sensible rules ultimately prevail.

Download: http://files.kavefish.com/audio/usage_of_the_f-word.wav

Personally, I think it is far more important to diminish the same old repetitive arguments by the same old usual suspects. Tedium sets in after the first few times these are read -zzzzzzzzzz - and they considerably detract from the subject under discussion. Often, an important subject is lost sight of altogether because of petty squabling and infantile ego clashes that will not be relinquished.

Maybe the moderators can get together and discuss options to reduce this? If adults can't meaningfully contribute to a thread then perhaps their posts should be accompanied by a graphic that highlights their temperament? I am no moderator and will never make a half reasonable one either. Which is why I can safely say that I would award a thumbnail image of a baby's teething comforter (dummy in the UK) to persistant offenders:

I would even be quite happy to test drive this image to avoid charges of unfairness...

David

I agree, David.

You like the F word. I prefer the S word. In my opinion the use of XXXX is not swearing.

XXXX describes something foul and smelly. Rather than beat around the bush with euphemisms,

I prefer to say that the excrement some pass off as research is XXXX. The purveyor is full of

XXXX. If he constantly emits these excretions, I see nothing wrong with saying he is an XXXXXXX

the SOURCE of XXXX.

The body of the work of an XXXXXXX is a XXXXXXXXXXXX. It may be impolite, but it is not

swearing. It is just an honest description of a smelly product. Anyone who censors my right

to use this word is full of ....XXXX.

Jack

Here we are in a forum about swearing, and you post in capital letters, no less, several objectionable words. Please delete these or we will. We don't want to have to delete what you write , but you should not be allowed to do this if it is forbidden for others to do.

Kathy

I agree. Done. Jack, go curse elsewhere!

Antti

xxxx is a perfectly legitimate dictionary word for smelly excrement.

This is blatant censorship of the worst kind. Sort like the CIA and

their black markers on XXXX documents that expose XXXXX!

I protest this gagging of XXXXXXX free speech! Moderators?

XXXXXXX CENSORS!

Jack

Sir, you just do that to be difficult, don't you?

Kathy

XXXXXXX Moderator

No. I believe in freedom of speech and it should be protected

from censors who believe in "correctness". Apparently the

XXXXXXXXXX "moderators" do not. Bodily functions are not

swearing. XXXX describes smelly excrement, which is what

the "moderators" are more concerned with than XXXXXX

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX evidence.

Jack

PS...may I ask what a XXXXXX Moderator is? I am not very

good at reading XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX redactions.

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Since we seem to be back to whipping this dead horse once again...

My all time favorite is, Jesus H. Christ! But, when I'm really in a state of "KILL THE MOFO!" Oh, and BTW Mofo is an acronym my bruthas' and sistas' turned me onto back in 60's. It's short for muthafxxka. As I was saying, whilst in a state of road rage, or having to deal with some imbecilic moron who wouldn't know his rectum from a hole in the ground, well fxxkin' axxhole works just fine for me. Being the crude and rude "ugly American" that I am. Keeps me from getting an ulcer, actually.

But, these days I've taken to cultivating the fine art of verbal offense sans the cuss words. It's quite exhilarating, and who knows? One day it might be found to keep you from getting Alzheimer's, I'm sure.

Anyhoola, I hope I used enough xxx's.

Jim DiEugenio’s review of David Talbot’s book Brothers has been posted on the CTKA web site.

http://www.ctka.net/brothers.html

Ron W

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Ron, this is outstanding! Thank you, so much for posting this relevant information. I've taken the liberty of quoting, and bolded some of the passages of the review that I thought were important enough and needed to be stressed. I hope you don't mind.

Before I go any further could you clarify something for me regarding the person, Robert Blakey?

"His name was Robert Blakey and his book Fatal Hour presented " a compelling case for a darker interpretation of Camelot." (Ibid)"

Any relation to G. Robert Blakey?

The rest is superb writing, thanks to Jim DiEugenio:

Finally, in this regard, I must comment on the book's treatment of JFK and Mary Meyer. I was quite surprised that, as with Sheridan, Talbot swallowed the whole apple on this one. As I have written, (The Assassinations pgs 338-345), any serious chronicler has to be just as careful with this episode as with Judith Exner -- and to his credit, Talbot managed to avoid that disinformation filled land mine. Before criticizing him on this, and before I get smeared by people like Jon Simkin, I want to make a public confession. I actually believed the Meyer nonsense at one time. In fact, to my everlasting chagrin, I discussed it -- Timothy Leary and all -- at a talk I did in San Francisco about a year after Oliver Stone's JFK came out. It wasn't until I began to examine who Leary was, who his associates were, and how he fit into the whole explosion of drugs into the USA in the sixties and seventies that I began to question who he was. In light of this, I then reexamined his Mary Meyer story, and later the whole legerdemain around this fanciful tale. Thankfully, Talbot does not go into the whole overwrought "mystery" about her death and her mythologized diary. But he eagerly buys into everything else. Yet to do this, one has to believe some rather unbelievable people. And you then have to ignore their credibility problems so your more curious readers won't ask any questions. For if they do the whole edifice starts to unravel.

Foremost among this motley crew is Leary. As I was the first to note, there is a big problem with his story about Meyer coming to him in 1962 for psychedelic drugs. Namely, he didn't write about it for 21 years previous --until 1983. He wrote about 25 books in the meantime. (Sort of like going through 25 FBI, Secret Service, and DPD interviews before you suddenly recall seeing Oswald on the sixth floor.) Yet it was not until he hooked up with the likes of Gordon Liddy that he suddenly recalled, with vivid memory, supplying Mary with LSD and her mentioning of her high official friend and commenting, "They couldn't control him any more. He was changing too fast" etc. etc. etc. Another surprising source Talbot uses here is none other than CIA counter-intelligence chief James Angleton, the guy who was likely handling Oswald until 1962. Talbot actually quotes the nutty Cold Warrior, Kennedy antagonist and Warren Commission cover up artist waxing poetic about Kennedy being in love with Mary: "They were in love ... they had something very important." (p. 199) This from a man who, later on, Talbot admits loathed JFK and actually thought he was a Soviet agent.! (p. 275). A further dubious source is Jim Truitt, the former friend of Ben Bradlee who used to work for him at the Washington Post and was also friends with Angleton. Consider: Truitt had been trying to discredit President Kennedy while he was alive by saying he was previously married and had it covered up. In fact, he had pushed this fatuous story on Bradlee. And it appears that Truitt then started the whole drug angle of the story as a way of getting back at Bradlee and the Post for firing him. By 1969 he was so unstable that his wife sought a conservatorship for him and then divorced him in 1971. Truitt tried to get a job with the CIA and when he did not he moved to Mexico into a colony of former CIA agents. There he grew and smoked the mescaline-based hallucinogenic drug peyote. This was his sorry state when he first reported to the press about the "turned on" Meyer/JFK romance. He then shot himself in 1981. Here you have a guy who was a long-time Kennedy basher, became mentally unstable, was a CIA wannabe, and was planting and taking hallucinogenics with other CIA agents-- and then accuses JFK of doing the same, 14 years after the fact. Some witness, huh? I don't even want to mention the last major source Talbot uses to complete this rickety shack. I have a hard time even typing his name. But I have to. Its sleazy biographer David Heymann. Heymann wrote one of the very worst books ever published on Bobby Kennedy, and has made a lucrative career out of trashing the Kennedy family. For me, Heymann is either a notch above or below the likes of Kitty Kelley. But when you're that low, who's measuring?

"The worst chapter in the book, by far, is entitled "New Orleans". This is allegedly about Robert Kennedy's reaction to the investigation of the JFK case by local DA Jim Garrison. I have to use the word "allegedly" here because it seems to me that Talbot started this chapter with an assumption in mind and then piled the material in to fill out that assumption -- whether it actually did or not. Authors get in trouble when they shoehorn evidence to fit a preordained verdict. And this chapter seems to me to be troublesome from the start.

One problem seems to be a hangover from the David Talbot of 1992, the man who thought that Blakey was the ultimate authority on the JFK case and Garrison was somewhere between a circus clown and a charlatan. To say the least, the releases of the ARRB have not borne this out. And, to his credit, the author seems to have amended this judgment a bit. In spite of that, he presages his New Orleans chapter by calling it "a gaudy Louisiana legal spectacle" (p. 308). The whole first page of his introduction to Garrison the man is in a similar vein and he plays this off against the standard packaged tourist image of New Orleans pre-Katrina. (p. 319) When he introduces Garrison's investigation it is essentially more of the same. For instance, about the arrest of Clay Shaw, Talbot writes, "But to Garrison, he was a CIA-linked international businessman. . .." Today, there can be no "buts" about it. Shaw was not just "linked" to the CIA, he worked for them. We have this not just from the declassified files, but from FBI agent Regis Kennedy, who said, in referring to Shaw's association with Permindex, that Shaw was a CIA agent who had worked for the Agency in Italy. (Let Justice Be Done, by William Davy, p. 100) To further downplay the importance of what Garrison uncovered, Talbot quotes former RFK aide, Ed Guthman. Guthman was working as an editor for the Los Angeles Times in early 1967. He tells Talbot that he sent his ace reporters to New Orleans and they discovered that Garrison had no evidence for his charges. Guthman calls them "great reporters". If Talbot would have dug a little deeper he would have found out a couple of interesting things these "great reporters" had done. One of the "great" reporters was Jack Nelson. Nelson's source for Garrison not having any evidence was former FBI agent and Hoover informer Aaron Kohn. Kohn was, among other things, an unofficial assistant to Shaw's defense team. Another of Guthman's "great" reporters was Jerry Cohen. Cohen cooperated with FBI informant Larry Schiller in keeping Garrison from extraditing Loran Hall. This cooperation extended up to flying with Hall to Sacramento to speak to Edwin Meese. Further, Cohen kept up a correspondence with Shaw's lawyers and even Shaw himself. This is great reporting?

By page 325, we see why Talbot has set things up this way. And this directly relates to Talbot's portrait of Walter Sheridan. I was going to write that it is so warm and fuzzy that it could have been written by Sheridan's family. But I can't write that because, in large part, it was written by Sheridan's family. Namely his widow and son. Talbot interviewed the woman five times and uses her profusely and without question. Now if you are going to use people like Guthman, and Sheridan's family to profess to his good character, it leaves you with a serious problem. You now have to explain all the ugly and unethical things Sheridan did to destroy Garrison. Talbot achieves this in two ways: 1.) By recycling debunked mainstream media deceptions, and 2.) By leaving out integral parts of the story.

Concerning the former, Talbot tries to excuse Sheridan by saying that Sheridan thought Garrison was ignoring mobster Carlos Marcello. He even goes as far as saying that Garrison gave Marcello a "free pass" and referred to him as a "respectable businessman" (p. 327) This canard has been exposed for years, in fact for over a decade. Garrison busted at least three bars in New Orleans which were run either by Marcello or his associates. (Davy, pgs 154-155) Talbot does not source his "businessman" quote, but it appears he has confused Garrison with one or more local FBI agents. And it is not true that Garrison never investigated the Mafia aspect, he did. (He actually wrote a memo on it.) But he came to the conclusion, as many others have, that the Mob was a junior partner in the crime, not the engine running the machine.

Talbot then writes something even more unsubstantiated. He says that what really got Sheridan upset with Garrison is that Garrison had somehow discovered the CIA Castro assassination plots, and how they might have backfired against JFK. For one, in the book's own terms, this is illogical. For this chapter, Talbot now writes that the plots had been "supervised by Bobby". Yet, he has clearly established previously, and convincingly, that this was not the case. The CIA had done them on their own. Secondly, I have been through a large part of the extant Garrison files. His son Lyon Garrison allowed me to copy them in New Orleans. I then had them shipped to Los Angeles and filed them in chronological and subject order. I found no evidence that Garrison himself had discovered these CIA managed plots in early 1967, which would have to be true if Talbot's thesis is to hold water. Interestingly, Talbot gives no source for Sheridan's knowledge of what Garrison was on to or how he discovered it. Even more interesting, he avoids mentioning the famous Jack Anderson/Drew Pearson story, which aired at the time. This story actually did mention the CIA plots, and did say that RFK was involved with them. And considering Anderson's role as an FBI informant on Garrison, it was probably done to confuse the DA. But there is no evidence Garrison ever took the (false) insinuation of RFK's involvement seriously.

Having no factual basis for this concept, Talbot then uses the bare assumption as the excuse for why Sheridan went to the CIA to get their input on Garrison. By this time, I had become quite curious as to why Talbot was cutting Sheridan so much slack. So I flipped a few pages forward and discovered the reason. The book maintains that Sheridan in New Orleans was not acting as any kind of intelligence operative, but rather on RFK's behalf. He goes on like this for a couple of paragraphs -- quoting Sheridan's reliable wife again--and then comes this stunning statement: "And there is no evidence Sheridan and agency officials did in fact end up joining forces against the DA." (p. 331) When I read that my eyes popped. Consider: in a legal deposition, among other places, Gordon Novel admitted that he was being paid by Sheridan on a retainer basis for spying on Garrison. Since Novel was writing letters to people like Richard Helms at the time, it's fair to say he was working with the Agency. Further, Garrison discovered that Sheridan was getting the expense money for people like Novel through a local law firm, which was laundering it for the CIA. And a declassified FBI memo reveals that NBC had given instructions that the special was meant to "shoot him [Garrison] down". Further in Robert Kennedy and his Times, Arthur Schlesinger quotes Kennedy as saying that it was NBC who sent Sheridan to New Orleans, and further that he felt Garrison might be on to something. (p. 616) As many commentators have noted, including Carl Bernstein -- who Talbot uses (p. 390) -- the major networks worked with the CIA on issues like defending the Warren Report. And the chairman of NBC at the time, General David Sarnoff, had worked in intelligence during World War II. In a further imbalance, Talbot barely discusses Sheridan's intelligence background, devoting all of two sentences to it. (p. 330)

I could go into much more length about Sheridan's activities in New Orleans, and how they continued even after RFK was dead. And I could point out even more errors Talbot makes on this issue. For instance, he writes that Garrison "turned the tables" on Sheridan and arrested "him for bribing witnesses. (The charges were later dropped.)" (p. 329) Thus he insinuates that it was Garrison who was bribing witnesses and not Sheridan. Which is exactly wrong. (Davy on pgs 135-137 chronicles some of Sheridan's efforts in this aspect.) Further, the charges were not dropped. Sheridan got an entourage of proven CIA affiliated lawyers for his defense. (Ibid, p. 143) And in a recurrent tactic, they got the charges switched to federal court where they were eventually thrown out. Finally, let me make one more cogent observation about Sheridan. He clearly did not like Garrison's focus on the CIA in the JFK case. He then worked a lot with the HSCA, Dan Moldea, and Robert Blakey pushing the Mafia/Hoffa angle, which was certainly prominent in the HSCA Report and volumes. Yet on the day the report was issued Marcello's lifelong friend, lobbyist Irving Davidson, told an acquaintance that he had talked to Sheridan and that he agreed that the HSCA report was a piece of crap too. (Vincent Bugliosi, Reclaiming History, p. 1175) So if Sheridan did not believe the CIA was involved, and he thought Blakey's focus on the Mafia was B.S., what did he believe then? The Warren Report maybe?

The mystery of Walter Sheridan -- who he was, and why he did what he did -- is a long, serious, and complex one. Talbot does not even begin to plumb its depths. For that reason, among others, I believe -- and I can demonstrate -- that every tenet of this chapter is just plain wrong."

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2007/711/36909

UNITED STATES - Why wealthy, cigar-chomping Republicans hate Mike Moore (and Cuba)

Peter Robson

25 May 2007

"Documentary maker Michael Moore has made headlines again with his latest film, SiCKO!, which premiered at the Cannes Film festival on May 23. The documentary is a loaded gun aimed at the US health-care system, which is the most expensive in the world and yet provides the worst cover in the First World, according to the latest World Health Organisation scorecard.

That there is a health crisis is uncontested by the US corporate media. But despite this, and the fact that the film is not even hitting US cinemas until late June, SiCKO! is already under fire. This is because Moore doesn’t make nice, safe academic critiques of systems in crisis: he makes heart-wrenching documentaries that detail human suffering in emotionally laden minutiae.

Moore chooses as representative of the victims of the US health-care system emergency services personnel who contracted illnesses as a result of breathing in toxic fumes during the clean-up of the Twin Towers rubble after 9/11. They lacked the right medical coverage to access treatment for their ailments.

In typical Moore style, the film-maker takes them to various US medical providers and asks them to justify their denial of treatment. He even takes them to the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay. The US claims that Guantanamo Bay prisoners receive some of the best medical care in the world. Through a megaphone, Moore requests medical aid for his “patients” but is rebuffed.

Moore’s final option provides his patients with world-class medical care, without requiring money, or a check of health insurance records, or even filling out forms: being treated by the health system of a nation that is one of the most frequent targets for vilification by Washington — Cuba.

It appears that it is at this point that Moore overstepped the bounds of “responsible” criticism set by the US establishment. The US Treasury sent the film-maker a letter claiming that he was in breach of US economic embargo placed against Cuba and could be liable for fines or imprisonment.

Right-wing pundits began to claim that Moore was a “traitor”, unleashing a string of articles, almost exactly the same in both form and content, criticising the Cuban health care system and denying that it could in any way be superior to the US’s.

Most amusing of all was the response of Fred Thompson, an actor on US crime series Law & Order. He is also a potential presidential nominee for the Republicans. In order to promote the film, Moore challenged Thompson to a public debate on health care. Thompson posted a video response on YouTube, thoughtfully chewing (no doubt ironically) on a Cuban cigar (illegal to purchase in the US). Thompson claimed he had no time in his schedule to debate Moore and then attacked Cuba for a lack of democratic rights.

In a May 2 article (probably written while sucking thoughtfully on a contraband stogie) for the National Review, Thompson wrote: “What is it that leads people to value theoretically ‘free’ health care, even when it’s lousy or nonexistent, over a free society that actually delivers health care? You might have to deal with creditors after you go to the emergency ward in America, but no one is denied medical care here. I guarantee even the poorest Americans are getting far better medical services than many Cubans.”

Thompson, a well-paid and financially secure lawyer-cum-“actor”-cum-senator-cum-presidential-wannabe, has little to worry about when it comes to health care. If a health crisis occurs he can re-negotiate his insurance and maybe make a few sacrifices to fund whatever outside expenses may be necessary. Perhaps he decides not to get a new car that year, or maybe cuts back on those illegal and expensive cigars. But for most people in the US, health care and its costs are a serious matter.

According to the 2006 US census, 46.6 million people in the US (15.9% of the population) had no medical insurance in 2005. Two-thirds of these people had full-time employment. Most health care coverage systems in the US are linked to employment — medical insurance is most often provided by employers as part of an employment contract, and not provided by the state. This system leaves a massive gap between the very poorest in US society who qualify for the small Medicaid system and those who can afford to be covered by a private system.

On May 23, Reuters reported on the case of volunteer firefighter Cindy Holland, a full-time worker with two children and a husband who also works full time. Together they earn too much to get Medicaid, but they earn too little to get decent health insurance. He has health insurance through his work, but it doesn’t cover the whole family.

For Cindy to insure the rest of the family, on a basic level that doesn’t include such “luxuries” as dental care, it would cost the family US$1000 a month. This is far more than the family can afford, so instead they “roll the dice”, as Cindy puts it, and hope no-one gets sick. That these skilled, socially useful workers cannot provide health insurance for their family should be a wake-up call. However, there are far worse stories.

In 2003, the US Socialist Worker reported on Harold Kilpatrick Jr, a 26-year-old schizophrenia sufferer who tried to get treatment for his mental illness from a counselling service. Kilpatrick was told that he would need health insurance. However he had lost his job at FedEx, and his health care coverage along with it.

When he applied to TennCare, Tennessee’s low-income medical program, he was knocked back repeatedly. Kilpatrick’s schizophrenia worsened and he took a room full of college students hostage, injuring two people before he was shot to death by police.

On some levels, the US may be able to claim good medical standards. For example, it has some of the best specialists and diagnostic equipment in the world. But the ability for these resources to be employed to improve the health of people in the US is hampered by the profit motive. Health is treated as both a profitable industry and as something the individual must pay for, despite society as a whole having an interest in maintaining health standards.

Despite the vast gap in the wealth of the US and Cuba — a Third World nation — the average life expectancy of people in the two countries is roughly equal (78 years in the US, 77 in Cuba). The United States ranks among the bottom of industrialised countries on health at age 60 — meaning US people spend more years living in poor health resulting from chronic illness or disability. Cuba scores much higher on healthy adults at age 60. According to WHO’s 2006 world health report, the US had a higher infant mortality rate than Cuba.

Abcnews.go.com reported on October 13 that less than half of US adults receive recommended preventive care and screening tests according to guidelines for their age and sex. By comparison, all Cubans receive free medical check-ups every three months, which includes detailed cell studies and bloodwork to check for cancers or infectious diseases.

How does Cuba do this? The Cuban health system emphasises preventive, personalised care and treats access to health care as a democratic right. This is not to say the Cuban system doesn’t suffer extreme limitations. The US blockade specifically bans any US corporation from selling medical supplies or technology to the island’s government, which means that basics like painkillers and antibiotics are extremely difficult to get. Cuba has attempted to manufacture its own medical supplies, but this is very expensive and supplies are still short.

But what it lacks in medical capital, Cuba makes up for in human resources. With little capacity to develop industry due to Washington’s economic blockade, Cuba instead invested in its people, providing high quality education for its doctors, nurses and engineers. Many doctors produced by this system work overseas in various relief and emergency aid programs to aid other Third World nations. Cuba has the highest number of doctors working overseas of any country in the world.

As a way to further develop its economy, Cuba has entered into an agreement with Venezuela to provide doctors for the poorest and most deprived parts of Venezuela in exchange for discounted oil.

However, the overseas aid program has strained the Cuban system and some Cubans have had to wait to receive medical care — for some of them, this is an unprecedented experience. But Cuba shows that by treating health care as a social priority, rather than a profit-making venture, vast advances in health can be made. Moore is not a supporter of Cuba’s government, however his film may open more people’s eyes to this reality of what is possible when society is organised on the basis of the needs of the majority, not the profits of a minority. Some of the emergency workers who were treated in Cuba were amazed at what they saw. “This trip opened my eyes”, Bill Maher, a ground zero volunteer who had extensive dental work done in Cuba, told Associated Press. The May 19 article quoted the 54-year-old as saying: “I was uneducated. I remembered the Cuban missile crisis. Now, you know what? I’m going back!” "

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Thanks, John. These are real eye openers, for sure.

I think I'll pen an open letter to Fidel this weekend. Maybe, send him my resume, even.

Remember, during and after Hurricane Katrina when he had 3000 Cuban physicians ready to send to the Gulf States to help with the devastation, and the U.S. gov. turned him down!

This country's government and its fascist regime is what's really SICKO. I'll be glad to get the hell out of this hole. It's easy to forget how other country's have it a helluvalot better than this one. Especially, when Mockingbird censors anything coming in that may shed some light on the problem here and open the eyes of their "walking dead" populace. And, all the while the Mockingbird media apparatus carries on about how well off America is. Compared to where? Africa? Capitalistic Russia? Afghanistan? The rubble heap we've made of Persian Gulf? Well, hell yeah. But, how about giving us some stats from Britain, Sweden, or the other European sectors that seem to have a better handle on universal coverage, than this sorry-ass, embarrassing poor excuse of a "democratic republic." Hello?

Terry, thanks for posting - I sympathise greatly with your situation.

At the risk of having you feel even worse, let me tell you and other readers/posters what the situation is here in Sweden.

I pay 32% of my gross salary in tax - and that covers both national and local taxes. My employer pays another slice in payroll taxes and social welfare taxes. Living costs, like rent, typically amount 30% of your after-tax salary.

If you are ill, you have to pay a fee of about $20 (the exact sum varies from county to county) as a one-off registration fee, and after that basic treatment is without charge. If you are referred to a specialist you'll have to pay another fee (about $30 in the place I live) the first time you go to see her or him. After that all treatment is without charge. If you are often ill, or have a chronic condition, you'll find that there's a cap of about $250 per annum on these one-off fees. Once you've paid that amount, all further visits are without charge that year. (I'm trying to avoid the word 'free' scrupulously, because of course we're paying, it's just that we pay collectively, rather than individually).

The same applies to medicines: once you've paid about $250 in any one year, you don't pay any more. My wife's undergoing desensitisation treatment for her allergies, which involves a series of injections over a three-year period, and $500 per year is the most we'll ever have to pay for it.

There's a guarantee system in place too. You have the right to see a general doctor at the local clinic the same day you report that you're ill (there's a phone in system which involves you talking first to a nurse, and that nurse might refer you to a district nurse before you see a doctor). You have the right to a referral to a specialist within one month, and treatment must start within three months. If your county can't meet this guarantee, you have the right to find one that can, or even to seek treatment abroad - at the state's expense.

It goes without saying that calling an ambulance is without charge, and they'll never ask you for a credit card, or anything like that! Some places have air ambulances, but our county prefers well-equipped road vehicles (apparently helicopters can't take the kind of heart resuscitation equipment ambulances can, and they often can't fly in weather conditions which allow ordinary ambulances to travel in).

There are also some other neat collective practices, such as the Lex Maria (a law which obliges medical practitioners to report cases of mistreatment) and Lex Sara (which obliges convalescence centres, etc to report bad conditions, ill-treatment, etc). These are seen as very useful laws, since they take away some of the blame, and enable the system to concentrate on putting things right.

Another interesting law is the one which requires the state monopoly pharmacies to automatically substitute a cheaper generic drug, whenever a doctor prescribes a more expensive brand-name (assuming that the generic does the same job). You can visit a web site (http://www.fass.se - if you understand Swedish!) which explains what the active ingredients of any medicine you're prescribed are, what side effects they have, etc. I remember once in Turkey being given something for a runny nose … and finding out from FASS that it was actually a preparation to arrest potentially fatal allergic reactions - it'd certainly stop the snot!

Our new conservative government would love to screw this system up … but it'd be political suicide! What they are doing is relaxing the controls on immigration for people who want to come to work here. You used to have to have a job offer before you could get a work permit (if you weren't an EU citizen). The new system allows people from outside the EU to come here to look for work. If Terry could get a job here, she'd be eligible for the benefits too (Sweden doesn't make any distinction between nationals and people like me with work permits)! You'd be OK as an EU citizen too …

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Thank you, Don, Stephen, and David, for your kind words. I eventually will expatriate from this American Nightmare, I figure in about 8 years. That'll be about the time I'll be able to beef up my Social Security pension with some of my ex-husband's, who divorced me, BTW. This is a little known fact that was just told me by a friend of mine, who's husband works for the gov., and also was more or less confirmed by another childhood friend of mine who is a retired FBI agent. Apparently, I have to wait in order to catch up with my ex, who turns 50 in October, so it'll be closer to his retirement age.

But, you know what? So what! I can still collect and continue to work, as long as I make under 30 grand a year. Hopefully, I'll be able to get the $2000.00 a month stipend. And, then that'll be when I finally get to hit the road, for good.

So, keep your eyes peeled in the not too distant future. You may find Terry headed down your block to your house to take you out to dinner. Things may be looking brighter before we know it.

Ter

John Simkin, please put this under an appropriate section of your forum.

Thank you,

Ter

This is what I wrote under the window that prompted petition signers to "Write us about your own "Horror" story"

I'm 62 years old, a Nuclear Medicine Technologist of 32 years, whose department was de-comissioned in June 2006, along with my full time status of employment, which was reduced to per diem. I have no medical benefits to speak of, and any form of COBRA coverage would have cost me $800.00 a month to procure. When I was diagnosed with Narrow Angle Glaucoma in December 2006, it was my Chase VISA card that was used to pick up the bill. Medical coverage out of pocket for myself is cost prohibitive with the amount of money I make working per diem, which is what you're relegated to once someone reaches my age. I'm now forced to hold 2 and 3 jobs in order to make ends meet, and all are per diem status. Not because I want it that way, but because that is what's being offered to me. I'm not ready for retirement, and the money I would claim from Social Security at this juncture in my life, wouldn't pay for Alpo Dog Food. You see, I was married for 12 years to a man who asked me to work only part time in order that we wouldn't have to pay out so much in taxes to the IRS. In fact, he would have preferred I didn't work at all, but I had been in the field for 5 years before I met him and didn't want my skills to deteriorate, or fall too far behind the progress being made in my professional field. Therefore, when he filed for divorce, and it became final on April 1, 1995, I was forced to leave college where I had started in an effort to increase my viability as a tech by getting a B.S. degree as a last ditch effort to compete with the new batch of students coming into the field. I was 50 years old at that time. Luckily, three years later I was able to obtain full time work for the last 8 years, which afforded me benefits once again. But, when Bush and his congress went behind closed doors in January 2006 to enact new amendments to the Medicare bill, which ended up decreasing reimbursement to free standing clinics and imaging centers from 80% to 30%, my imaging center was forced to downsize, cancel order on our new Siemens Biograph PET/CT Imager, and ended up de-commissioning its Nuclear Medicine Department, altogether. The second job I'm holding as a per diem Nuclear Medicine Dexa Technologist is at Santa Monica-UCLA, but I just found out on Thursday that this position will only be available to me until December because of the transition that's about to take place since UCLA-Westwood Medical Center's new building is set to re-open. You see, it was built to half the size of the old medical center because they're attempting to transition all surgeries, and general healthcare provision to an out-patient ambulatory care basis in an effort to cut back on Medicare subsidizing of healthcare delivery. Therefore, in order to make room for the glut of Westwood technologists, they are letting go the per diem and previously older Santa Monica techs who had been with the hospital before UCLA took over the Santa Monica Community Hospital facility in 2003. UCLA-Westwood also thinks that the Westwood technologists are better trained to meet the needs of the new transition taking place at Santa Monica, and to be set into motion by the end of the year. I was hired on in July 2006, and now I'm back where I started from.

Michael Moore, can you give me a job? I'm a real hard worker, detail oriented, and able to multi-task 8 different things, all at the same time. That's part of the job description for a Nuclear Medicine Tech. Plus, I have excellent communication skills and can write, read, and speak some Spanish, albeit not fluently, but enough to make myself fairly well understood. How about it? I'm not ready to take this lying down.

Sincerely yours,

Theresa C. Mauro

4070 Jackson Avenue

Culver City, CA 90232-3232

310 836-4095

tmauro@pacbell.net

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I just loathe replying to myself, but I did get this back and would like to share it.

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:57:00 -0400

To: tmauro@pacbell.net

Subject: Thank You

From: "Democracy for America" <info@democracyforamerica.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert

Dear Theresa,

Thank you for signing our Sicko Petition for Health Care and submitting

your own health care horror story. Please take a minute to forward the

message below to your contacts.

- The DFA Team

Greetings!

With over 45 million people uninsured and health care costs sometimes

double what people pay in other countries, we still lead the way as the

only industrialized county without a universal coverage system.

Isn`t it time to fix the Health Care crisis in America?

In SiCKO, my new documentary opening in theaters nationwide tomorrow,

June 29, I expose the truth about Health Care in America and audiences

are already standing up and demanding change.

I love the hard work Democracy for America members do. You are the

boots on the ground working for progressive change year after year. You

understand that when we get local and speak up, there is no stopping our

movement. And now that the entire insurance industry is working on

overdrive to confuse the facts and keep Congress from enacting any health

care reforms, I know I can count on DFA to fight back and get the job

done.

Please sign the petition demanding Health Care for America right now:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/sicko

In SiCKO, I highlight numerous health care horror stories (you can

watch the trailer at the above petition link). Real events that happened to

real people. And to make it worse, they all had health care. Our

system is broken. The change we need isn`t going to come from little tweaks

and lobbyist funded think tanks. Real change will come from you and me

working together, telling our stories, and demanding action.

That`s why Congress needs to hear from you. How has the health care

crisis affected you and your family? Do you have a health care horror

story? Sign the petition demanding health care for all Americans and share

your story. While you`re at it watch the trailer for SiCKO and search

for a screening with other DFA members near you.

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/sicko

The petition is only the beginning. Over the rest of summer, DFA

members will organize health care forums in their local community, hold

meetings with their Congressional representatives, and keep the pressure on

the Democratic candidates for president. I`m proud to have Democracy

for America members turning my movie into an agent for change. Thank you

for making it happen!

Alright now go get some popcorn and meet me at the multiplex.

Be well,

Michael Moore

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Shannon West Murchison died on April 30, 2005. An autopsy was ordered due to extensive bruising on her body and black eyes, suffered, supposedly, in a previous fall. She was 47 years old. Mrs. Murchison loved fashion. She donated her time and her money to charitable causes, especially regarding children. She supported George W. Bush for president in 2000, donating $5,000 from Tecon Corp -- I must look into that. Other Texans spoke of the suspicious nature of her death:

"Texas Journalism" from a commentator on FamilyLawCourts.com

1. The slow, downward death spiral. From custody battles to death, as with Shannon Murchison, once married to Clint Murchison, III, son of the founder of the Dallas Cowboys. And:

2. A quote from the former husband sadly intoning he wishes things could have worked out better.

DMN [Dallas Morning News] readers know not to expect even a mention of the fees the man paid to drive the woman crazy; or the firm he used to do so.

Did Shannon know about her father-in-law's connection to the Kennedy Assassination?

Kathy

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"She supported George W. Bush for president in 2000, donating $5,000 from Tecon Corp --"

"Did Shannon know about her father-in-law's connection to the Kennedy Assassination?"

Take a look at her age, and the fact that she's a Bush supporter, which leads me to believe that she probably bought the Warren Commission Lie hook, line, and sinker.

Whether or not LBJ was a conspirator or even had knowledge of an assassination plot, I submit the following two points about him:

(1) He was pretty clearly politically corrupt, was he not?

(2) On the other hand, he had some significant accomplishments, primarily among them the civil rights legislation of the mid-sixties.

(3) Yet on the other hand, he will long be remembered for the escalation of the war in Vietnam and the incredible number of deaths on both sides of that war.

Speaking of which, I want to go back to the intellectual dishonesty of Robert Strange MacNamara who David Talbot quotes as having been told by KFK that the was in Vietnam was unwinnable. I have reservations about whether MacNamara is speaking honestly about JFK's position. If he is not, he is a xxxx. But if he is, that only further indicts him as one of the architects of the war under LBJ.

Back to Lady Bird, I suspect many of us here believe she probably went to her grave with at least some knowledge of facts about the assassination.

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He also brought electricity to the rural south during, and following The Depression, and World War II. I believe he was more a victim of circumstances when it comes to what happened to JFK, and even with the escalation of Vietnam. I honestly don't believe he actually realized what was going to happen. And, I find it inconceivable that he would have condoned it, or that it even needed his final seal of approval. It was out of his hands. Everything he was supposed to have said at the Murchison's house that night was out of sheer bravado, and more than likely aimed at RFK. Players such as Hoover, Dulles, Helms, and the rest of that team of operators, had LBJ's Achilles' heel, with all they had on him concerning prior corruption, wheeling and dealing, and Bobby Baker.

I still believe he was nothing more than a corn pone hayseed who made good, strictly on his reputation as an early politician who originally set about to help the poor workers of The Depression Era. Somewhere along the way, from the early 1950's through the 1960's he made some dishonest deals, that may have even involved murder, but I'm not convinced that he was totally unaware of the havoc that was being wrought in his name. Yet, by the time he may have become aware, or learned of what his handlers had partaken in to keep him elected and in office, he more than likely found that he was in too deep, over his head, and owed too many to have been able to extract himself from the tangled web he had woven for himself. I also think that Lady Bird was merely a product of her times and of her own family's legacy. It must have been hard, even seemed futile at times, to have to stand in the footsteps JFK and Jackie had left imprinted on The White House, as well as on the heart and memory of a whole nation that had been thrust into a perpetual state of mourning.

"Convince a person against their will, and they are of the same opinion still."

LBainesJ was a SOAB.

LBirdJ was just plain old "B".

I got LOTS of lowdown on her from the late Madeleine Brown.

After LBJ died, it was Bird who managed to get cut off LBJ's

monthly stipend to his son, Steven Brown. Madeleine also believed

it was she who had Steve "kidnapped" and injected with cancer cells.

She knew about Lyndon's other love children, and used it for blackmail.

She was his partner in crime.

Lots more, according to Madeleine.

Jack

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"Lots more, according to Madeleine."

Words spoken of a "woman scorned," perhaps?

Listen, Jack. I'm not advocating these people. I'm merely trying to put another slant on it because I don't follow the trail to Dallas, I follow it to Wall Street.

But to get back to the case in point, LBJ was responsible for bringing NASA, and aeronautical research to the southland [Houston, Cape Kennedy].

Also, there were more casualties and deaths under Nixon's term, than under LBJ's. And, it was Nixon who expanded the war into Cambodia, destabilizing that country, and causing a multi-million person genocide.

If the Joseph Alsop/LBJ transcripts of their telephone conversations concerning the creation of the Warren Commission are correct, then LBJ is extremely peripheral, or not involved, at all, in the assassination, except for aforeknowledge from Dulles and the Brown Brothers of Tejas. If anything, LBJ was an unwitting tool to get JFK down to Tejas into the killing field. And, if anyone should get a finger pointed at them it should be ["future" Republican party man] Connally. Maybe, Connally saw the future. Republicans were going to take control [wink, wink] via their dirty tricks campaigns.

"Madeleine also believed it was she who had Steve "kidnapped" and injected with cancer cells."

Statements, such as that one, only serve to give credence to what Judyth says she was involved in.

"She knew about Lyndon's other love children, and used it for blackmail. She was his partner in crime."

Blackmail? Of whom? Women claiming that LBJ fostered their illegitimate children? It sounds as if these women were looking to blackmail him, and Bird was only doing her part in looking out for her own family's "best interests."

I'm sure it ain't as cut and dry as Madeleine Brown claimed.

Thanks, Terry.

Madeleine did not consider herself "a woman scorned". She still "loved" Lyndon till the end, despite

knowing of his crimes. She considered Lady Bird a witch. Regarding young Steve suddenly contracting

cancer and dying...I was around when it happened. Madeleine and Steve had been attending Jim Marrs'

classes on the assassination, along with Jean Hill, and we all got to know them well. Steve was the image

of "young Lyndon" of photographs. One Thursday night, only Jean showed up, and told the class that

Madeleine had called her in a panic...STEVE HAD DISAPPEARED from Dallas. To make a long story short,

about a month later, she discovered that STEVE WAS IN A HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON DC, SUFFERING

FROM AN UNKNOWN ILLNESS. How he got there was a mystery. In a few months she returned to the

classes, quiet and subdued, and would not talk about Steve. About a year later he had died from cancer.

She connected his strange disappearance with his death. Not many youths his age die of cancer. She

blamed Lady Bird for arranging Steve's death.

As for other love children, she only mentioned one (THIS IS UNVERIFIABLE) and I will repeat only

what she told me. One of Lyndon's other mistresses (Madeleine thought there were several) in HOUSTON

became pregnant, and Lyndon "arranged for her to marry his friend Jack Valenti". According to Madeleine

Lady Bird was very aware of Lyndon's indiscretions and used them to her advantage. Maybe blackmail

is not the right word, but Bird used her knowledge to influence Valenti to stay in line after LBJ was gone,

according to Madeleine. She possibly also used what she knew to keep Lyndon in line.

It was very clear that when Lyndon died, payments to Steven through a Dallas lawyer STOPPED because

of Lady Bird. She did not want siblings popping out of the woodwork to contest the vast inheritances of

Lynda Bird and Lucy Baines...HER kids.

But we will never know for sure, will we?

TEXAS IN THE MORNING is well worth reading.

Jack

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"Regarding young Steve suddenly contracting cancer and dying...I was around when it happened. Madeleine and Steve had been attending Jim Marrs' classes on the assassination, along with Jean Hill, and we all got to know them well. Steve was the image of "young Lyndon" of photographs. One Thursday night, only Jean showed up, and told the class that Madeleine had called her in a panic...STEVE HAD DISAPPEARED from Dallas. To make a long story short, about a month later, she discovered that STEVE WAS IN A HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON DC, SUFFERING FROM AN UNKNOWN ILLNESS. How he got there was a mystery. In a few months she returned to the classes, quiet and subdued, and would not talk about Steve. About a year later he had died from cancer. She connected his strange disappearance with his death. Not many youths his age die of cancer. She blamed Lady Bird for arranging Steve's death."

I've seen pictures of Steven and there was no doubt he was LBJ's son.

Is it your impression that Valenti, being as close to the Johnson's as he was, may have been coerced into setting up this kidnapping, and contraction of CA into Steven's body, by dubious means a la an Ochsner, Ferrie, Mary Sherman diabolical scheme created to infect Castro? That Valenti, at the behest of Lady Bird, was able to facilitate this horrible death upon LBJ's progeny, born in the stark resemblance of her husband?

Did Steven have any recollection of the abduction, was he lucid enough to remember anything surrounding his disappearance, his captors, how he ended up in D.C., the name of the hospital, was it the NIH? What condition he was in when he was found?

It's preposterous, in my humble opinion, that Lady Bird was able to wield such control over LBJ and Valenti, to the point of contracting a murder on her rival's illegitimate son. It also seems preposterous that LBJ would've allowed himself to be, excuse the expression, pussy-whipped into submission by Lady Bird. I know her family was powerful in the Lone Star State, but to be able to effect an execution, using the prescribed method originally concocted for the elimination of Castro, seems incredible, and as I said before, gives more credence to what Ed Haslam and Judyth have to say, in that regard.

I NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING AS WRITTEN ABOVE. I DID NOT SAY THAT VALENTI

HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DEATH OF STEVE BROWN. I DID NOT SAY ANY OF

THE PREPOSTEROUS THINGS QUOTED OR IMPLIED. I SAID WHAT I SAID AND NOTHING

ELSE. I REQUEST THAT YOU RETRACT YOUR IMPLICATION THAT I SAID THESE THINGS.

I ONLY QUOTED THINGS TOLD ME BY MADELEINE. SHE DID NOT TELL ME ANY OF THESE

THINGS. PLEASE REREAD WHAT I SAID.

JACK

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This being the offending paragraph:

"Is it your impression that Valenti, being as close to the Johnson's as he was, may have been coerced into setting up this kidnapping, and contraction of CA into Steven's body, by dubious means a la an Ochsner, Ferrie, Mary Sherman diabolical scheme created to infect Castro? That Valenti, at the behest of Lady Bird, was able to facilitate this horrible death upon LBJ's progeny, born in the stark resemblance of her husband?"

I, THERESA C. MAURO, HEREBY RETRACT ALL IMPLICATIONS I MAY HAVE MADE BY POSTING THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH THAT MIGHT OR COULD BE MISCONSTRUED AS STATEMENTS HAVING BEEN MADE BY JACK WHITE. On this day, the 15th of July, in the year, 2007.

Although, I am totally unaware that I made these implications in Jack's name. I am very sorry to have misinterpreted this.

So much for trying to put two and two together.

The text below is what prompted me to ask. Aside from the fact that Jack Valenti's name was one of the people attempting to censor the last three installments of TMWKK. He apparently wielded enough clout to do so, at Lady Bird's request, or in her name, or at her family's request, therein.

"As for other love children, she only mentioned one (THIS IS UNVERIFIABLE) and I will repeat only

what she told me. One of Lyndon's other mistresses (Madeleine thought there were several) in HOUSTON

became pregnant, and Lyndon "arranged for her to marry his friend Jack Valenti". According to Madeleine..."

John Simkin, please put this under an appropriate section of your forum.

Thank you,

Ter

This is what I wrote under the window that prompted petition signers to "Write us about your own "Horror" story"

I'm 62 years old, a Nuclear Medicine Technologist of 32 years, whose department was de-comissioned in June 2006, along with my full time status of employment, which was reduced to per diem. I have no medical benefits to speak of, and any form of COBRA coverage would have cost me $800.00 a month to procure. When I was diagnosed with Narrow Angle Glaucoma in December 2006, it was my Chase VISA card that was used to pick up the bill. Medical coverage out of pocket for myself is cost prohibitive with the amount of money I make working per diem, which is what you're relegated to once someone reaches my age. I'm now forced to hold 2 and 3 jobs in order to make ends meet, and all are per diem status. Not because I want it that way, but because that is what's being offered to me. I'm not ready for retirement, and the money I would claim from Social Security at this juncture in my life, wouldn't pay for Alpo Dog Food. You see, I was married for 12 years to a man who asked me to work only part time in order that we wouldn't have to pay out so much in taxes to the IRS. In fact, he would have preferred I didn't work at all, but I had been in the field for 5 years before I met him and didn't want my skills to deteriorate, or fall too far behind the progress being made in my professional field. Therefore, when he filed for divorce, and it became final on April 1, 1995, I was forced to leave college where I had started in an effort to increase my viability as a tech by getting a B.S. degree as a last ditch effort to compete with the new batch of students coming into the field. I was 50 years old at that time. Luckily, three years later I was able to obtain full time work for the last 8 years, which afforded me benefits once again. But, when Bush and his congress went behind closed doors in January 2006 to enact new amendments to the Medicare bill, which ended up decreasing reimbursement to free standing clinics and imaging centers from 80% to 30%, my imaging center was forced to downsize, cancel order on our new Siemens Biograph PET/CT Imager, and ended up de-commissioning its Nuclear Medicine Department, altogether. The second job I'm holding as a per diem Nuclear Medicine Dexa Technologist is at Santa Monica-UCLA, but I just found out on Thursday that this position will only be available to me until December because of the transition that's about to take place since UCLA-Westwood Medical Center's new building is set to re-open. You see, it was built to half the size of the old medical center because they're attempting to transition all surgeries, and general healthcare provision to an out-patient ambulatory care basis in an effort to cut back on Medicare subsidizing of healthcare delivery. Therefore, in order to make room for the glut of Westwood technologists, they are letting go the per diem and previously older Santa Monica techs who had been with the hospital before UCLA took over the Santa Monica Community Hospital facility in 2003. UCLA-Westwood also thinks that the Westwood technologists are better trained to meet the needs of the new transition taking place at Santa Monica, and to be set into motion by the end of the year. I was hired on in July 2006, and now I'm back where I started from.

Michael Moore, can you give me a job? I'm a real hard worker, detail oriented, and able to multi-task 8 different things, all at the same time. That's part of the job description for a Nuclear Medicine Tech. Plus, I have excellent communication skills and can write, read, and speak some Spanish, albeit not fluently, but enough to make myself fairly well understood. How about it? I'm not ready to take this lying down.

Sincerely yours,

Theresa C. Mauro

4070 Jackson Avenue

Culver City, CA 90232-3232

310 836-4095

tmauro@pacbell.net

Whether or not LBJ was a conspirator or even had knowledge of an assassination plot, I submit the following two points about him:

(1) He was pretty clearly politically corrupt, was he not?

(2) On the other hand, he had some significant accomplishments, primarily among them the civil rights legislation of the mid-sixties.

(3) Yet on the other hand, he will long be remembered for the escalation of the war in Vietnam and the incredible number of deaths on both sides of that war.

Speaking of which, I want to go back to the intellectual dishonesty of Robert Strange MacNamara who David Talbot quotes as having been told by KFK that the was in Vietnam was unwinnable. I have reservations about whether MacNamara is speaking honestly about JFK's position. If he is not, he is a xxxx. But if he is, that only further indicts him as one of the architects of the war under LBJ.

Back to Lady Bird, I suspect many of us here believe she probably went to her grave with at least some knowledge of facts about the assassination.

***************************************************************************

He also brought electricity to the rural south during, and following The Depression, and World War II. I believe he was more a victim of circumstances when it comes to what happened to JFK, and even with the escalation of Vietnam. I honestly don't believe he actually realized what was going to happen. And, I find it inconceivable that he would have condoned it, or that it even needed his final seal of approval. It was out of his hands. Everything he was supposed to have said at the Murchison's house that night was out of sheer bravado, and more than likely aimed at RFK. Players such as Hoover, Dulles, Helms, and the rest of that team of operators, had LBJ's Achilles' heel, with all they had on him concerning prior corruption, wheeling and dealing, and Bobby Baker.

I still believe he was nothing more than a corn pone hayseed who made good, strictly on his reputation as an early politician who originally set about to help the poor workers of The Depression Era. Somewhere along the way, from the early 1950's through the 1960's he made some dishonest deals, that may have even involved murder, but I'm not convinced that he was totally unaware of the havoc that was being wrought in his name. Yet, by the time he may have become aware, or learned of what his handlers had partaken in to keep him elected and in office, he more than likely found that he was in too deep, over his head, and owed too many to have been able to extract himself from the tangled web he had woven for himself. I also think that Lady Bird was merely a product of her times and of her own family's legacy. It must have been hard, even seemed futile at times, to have to stand in the footsteps JFK and Jackie had left imprinted on The White House, as well as on the heart and memory of a whole nation that had been thrust into a perpetual state of mourning.

"Convince a person against their will, and they are of the same opinion still."

LBainesJ was a SOAB.

LBirdJ was just plain old "B".

I got LOTS of lowdown on her from the late Madeleine Brown.

After LBJ died, it was Bird who managed to get cut off LBJ's

monthly stipend to his son, Steven Brown. Madeleine also believed

it was she who had Steve "kidnapped" and injected with cancer cells.

She knew about Lyndon's other love children, and used it for blackmail.

She was his partner in crime.

Lots more, according to Madeleine.

Jack

**********************************************************************

"Lots more, according to Madeleine."

Words spoken of a "woman scorned," perhaps?

Listen, Jack. I'm not advocating these people. I'm merely trying to put another slant on it because I don't follow the trail to Dallas, I follow it to Wall Street.

But to get back to the case in point, LBJ was responsible for bringing NASA, and aeronautical research to the southland [Houston, Cape Kennedy].

Also, there were more casualties and deaths under Nixon's term, than under LBJ's. And, it was Nixon who expanded the war into Cambodia, destabilizing that country, and causing a multi-million person genocide.

If the Joseph Alsop/LBJ transcripts of their telephone conversations concerning the creation of the Warren Commission are correct, then LBJ is extremely peripheral, or not involved, at all, in the assassination, except for aforeknowledge from Dulles and the Brown Brothers of Tejas. If anything, LBJ was an unwitting tool to get JFK down to Tejas into the killing field. And, if anyone should get a finger pointed at them it should be ["future" Republican party man] Connally. Maybe, Connally saw the future. Republicans were going to take control [wink, wink] via their dirty tricks campaigns.

"Madeleine also believed it was she who had Steve "kidnapped" and injected with cancer cells."

Statements, such as that one, only serve to give credence to what Judyth says she was involved in.

"She knew about Lyndon's other love children, and used it for blackmail. She was his partner in crime."

Blackmail? Of whom? Women claiming that LBJ fostered their illegitimate children? It sounds as if these women were looking to blackmail him, and Bird was only doing her part in looking out for her own family's "best interests."

I'm sure it ain't as cut and dry as Madeleine Brown claimed.

Thanks, Terry.

Madeleine did not consider herself "a woman scorned". She still "loved" Lyndon till the end, despite

knowing of his crimes. She considered Lady Bird a witch. Regarding young Steve suddenly contracting

cancer and dying...I was around when it happened. Madeleine and Steve had been attending Jim Marrs'

classes on the assassination, along with Jean Hill, and we all got to know them well. Steve was the image

of "young Lyndon" of photographs. One Thursday night, only Jean showed up, and told the class that

Madeleine had called her in a panic...STEVE HAD DISAPPEARED from Dallas. To make a long story short,

about a month later, she discovered that STEVE WAS IN A HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON DC, SUFFERING

FROM AN UNKNOWN ILLNESS. How he got there was a mystery. In a few months she returned to the

classes, quiet and subdued, and would not talk about Steve. About a year later he had died from cancer.

She connected his strange disappearance with his death. Not many youths his age die of cancer. She

blamed Lady Bird for arranging Steve's death.

As for other love children, she only mentioned one (THIS IS UNVERIFIABLE) and I will repeat only

what she told me. One of Lyndon's other mistresses (Madeleine thought there were several) in HOUSTON

became pregnant, and Lyndon "arranged for her to marry his friend Jack Valenti". According to Madeleine

Lady Bird was very aware of Lyndon's indiscretions and used them to her advantage. Maybe blackmail

is not the right word, but Bird used her knowledge to influence Valenti to stay in line after LBJ was gone,

according to Madeleine. She possibly also used what she knew to keep Lyndon in line.

It was very clear that when Lyndon died, payments to Steven through a Dallas lawyer STOPPED because

of Lady Bird. She did not want siblings popping out of the woodwork to contest the vast inheritances of

Lynda Bird and Lucy Baines...HER kids.

But we will never know for sure, will we?

TEXAS IN THE MORNING is well worth reading.

Jack

********************************************************************************

"Regarding young Steve suddenly contracting cancer and dying...I was around when it happened. Madeleine and Steve had been attending Jim Marrs' classes on the assassination, along with Jean Hill, and we all got to know them well. Steve was the image of "young Lyndon" of photographs. One Thursday night, only Jean showed up, and told the class that Madeleine had called her in a panic...STEVE HAD DISAPPEARED from Dallas. To make a long story short, about a month later, she discovered that STEVE WAS IN A HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON DC, SUFFERING FROM AN UNKNOWN ILLNESS. How he got there was a mystery. In a few months she returned to the classes, quiet and subdued, and would not talk about Steve. About a year later he had died from cancer. She connected his strange disappearance with his death. Not many youths his age die of cancer. She blamed Lady Bird for arranging Steve's death."

I've seen pictures of Steven and there was no doubt he was LBJ's son.

Is it your impression that Valenti, being as close to the Johnson's as he was, may have been coerced into setting up this kidnapping, and contraction of CA into Steven's body, by dubious means a la an Ochsner, Ferrie, Mary Sherman diabolical scheme created to infect Castro? That Valenti, at the behest of Lady Bird, was able to facilitate this horrible death upon LBJ's progeny, born in the stark resemblance of her husband?

Did Steven have any recollection of the abduction, was he lucid enough to remember anything surrounding his disappearance, his captors, how he ended up in D.C., the name of the hospital, was it the NIH? What condition he was in when he was found?

It's preposterous, in my humble opinion, that Lady Bird was able to wield such control over LBJ and Valenti, to the point of contracting a murder on her rival's illegitimate son. It also seems preposterous that LBJ would've allowed himself to be, excuse the expression, pussy-whipped into submission by Lady Bird. I know her family was powerful in the Lone Star State, but to be able to effect an execution, using the prescribed method originally concocted for the elimination of Castro, seems incredible, and as I said before, gives more credence to what Ed Haslam and Judyth have to say, in that regard.

Seeing that throat wound again just reminded me how ridiculous the claim is that this perports to show a tracheotamy incision over a hole no wider then the end of my pinky finger.

Whoever left that wound in the state we see here was no student of medicine, more like a butcher.

For the life of me though, I can never make head nor tail of that close up of the head wound.

On a lighter note I much prefer the WC drawing, you know the one, the one with the arrow going thru the back of the head & out the front side, oh yes, much less of a puzzle there, they should of stuck with that one.

Alan

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"On a lighter note I much prefer the WC drawing, you know the one, the one with the arrow going thru the back of the head & out the front side, oh yes, much less of a puzzle there, they should of stuck with that one."

That's the dumb sketch published in the NY Times Newspaper in June-July 1964 that made me lose all faith in the U.S. Government for the rest of my life. I was 19 years old, at the time. My high school biology teacher, Mrs. Schwerner's son, Michael, had been missing in Mississippi, and his body had just been found in a shallow grave down there, story on page three, and the escalation of the Vietnam War was bearing down on our necks, in the beginning days of that long, hot summer.

Nice to see you again, Alan.