Terry Mauro

********************************************************** Gary Webb's tragic fate, and the role of America's most powerful newspapers in ending his career, raises an important question about American journalism in an era when much of the public perceives the fourth estate as an industry in decline, a feckless broadcaster of White House leaks with a penchant for sensationalized, consumer-driven tabloid sex scandals. Webb spent two decades uncovering corruption at all levels of power, at the hands of public officials representing all ideological facets of the political spectrum. Indeed, his very fearlessness in taking on powerful institutions and officials was an ultimately fatal character trait that nonetheless embodies the sort of journalistic ethic that should be rewarded and celebrated in any healthy democratic society. In 2002, Webb reflected on his fall from grace in the book Into the Buzzsaw, a compendium of first-person accounts by journalists whose controversial stories pushed them from their chosen profession. His words are worth remembering now more than ever. "If we had met five years ago, you wouldn't have found a more staunch defender of the newspaper industry than me," Webb concluded. "And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss had been. The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job..... The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress." These words really said it all for me. And, even though John Simkin mentions this further down in the thread, Operation Mockingbird is still alive and well, well into the first decade of the 21st Century. I first remember reading the series in the now defunct New Times, an LA Free Press rag that disappeared off the radar shortly after the series, and later re-surfaced in a more homogenized version of its old self, out of Phoenix, AZ. The L.A. Weekly also ran the series, shortly before losing its balls. I believe the time frame was around 1996, if I remember correctly. I made copies of it, and handed it out to all the students in The Sociology of Law class I was taking over at Cal State Dominguez Hills, aka The University of The Ghetto, due to its close proximity and the demographics of the communities it served: Carson, Compton, and Watts.

This is one of the best posts I've read in a long time, Robert. Thank you. Ter

********************************************************** Hi Pamela, I felt compelled to post this latest diatribe being carried on against me by one Barb Junkkarinen. Judyth had referred to me as a lab expert, which I am not, nor do I considered myself to be. I was attempting to explain what Judyth and I spoke about years ago when we compared notes relating to centrifuge, CBC's, ERS [aka sed rates], urinalysis, and how it pertained to my field when performing Red Cell Survival and Plasma Volume studies, each of which I was never given the opportunity to relate, as my first response to Junkkarinen's abusive derision regarding my wording of, or lack of proper clinical laboratory terminology according to her, was censored by MacMadman's goons. I have been attacked with the viciousness of a id dog, for the past two days and warned McAdams' people that if they refused to allow my word to stand that they had better call off their junkyard dog, or I would take it to The Education Forum in order that my voice be heard. Here's what goes on at B.S.'s favorite site. An honorable man, my achin' ass! "And yes, we conferred on centrifuges, sed rates, both in urine analysis, as well as plasma supernatant separation from packed RBC's," Which should have been stated and punctuated, "And yes, we conferred on the use of centrifuges: both for analyzing urine samples [urinalysis], and performing C.B.C.'s [Complete Blood Counts] as the use of the centrifuge is for separating the liquid from the sediment, in the case of urinalysis, and the packed blood cells from plasma. Resulting in the form of what is known as supernatant [the soluble liquid reaction of a sample after centrifugation or precipitation of insoluble solids.] I'm extremely sorry to have offended Junkkarinen's clinical sensibilities by not having stated this to her liking. Maybe you should establish a medical forum section headed by B.J. for the express purpose of debunking anyone who hasn't practiced a particular modality in 40 years, yet once conferred with a like-minded person, knowledgeable of technique and protocol, but "Heavens to Betsy!", didn't state it in the correct terminological sequence of events. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Mauro" <tmauro@pacbell.net> To: "John McAdams" <jmcadams@panix.com> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: Re: Judyth's performing as anatomist, surgeon, medical > I really don't care if it gets posted on your forum or not, but Junkkarinen > needs to read it in its entirety, herself. And, if she continues to make > anymore of her snide remarks towards me in a public forum I will personally > see that she is derided for the smart-aleck she really is, at John Simkins', > Len Osanic's, Rich DellaRosa's, and Lancer's forums. I'm not promoting > Judyth here, mind you. I am discussing professionalism in the realm of > discourse when one chooses to cite one's expertise in the form of verbal > abuse such as Junkkarinen is doing when she hurls her mockery in my > direction. She's barking up the wrong tree when she targets me and I think > you'd better warn her about this, immediately. > > Theresa C. Mauro > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John McAdams" <jmcadams@panix.com> > To: "Terry Mauro" <tmauro@pacbell.net> > Cc: "Moderators" <doccrz@netzero.net>; "Moderators Backup" > <jmca@shell.core.com>; <pfokes@rogers.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: Judyth's performing as anatomist, surgeon, medical Terry, We moderators think the third from the last paragraph is rather abusive toward Barb. Give us permission to take it out, and we'll put the post on the newsgroup. .John On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Terry Mauro wrote: Barb Junkkarinen wrote: On 2 Sep 2006 22:34:00 -0400, gatewaymkt@webtv.net (Dixie M Dea) wrote: Dixie: As a friend of Terry Mauro's, and i know she never frequents this ng, I forwarded this post to her, written by Judyth via Martin, which refers to Terry. I personally know total zero about Medical or Lab aspects, so I am unable to comment in that regard. I only know that I hate going into a lab for blood work...:-) B.J. So do lab people when they find themselves on the opposite end of the needle.<g> Dixie: Terry sent me a reply to post on her behalf. I am doing so below, in its entirety as per her request. Dixie Personal Disclaimer Agreement....as per both Terry and I and written by Terry..... "that my opinion is not necessarily a reflection of yours, and that we do have a "best friends" agreement to be able "to agree to disagree," anyhow, and that we've known each other for almost 10 years now, as well. Yes, it's been almost that long. I went on line at the end of 1997, I do believe, and I met you at Prouty's, aside from Encinitas, and still owe you a dinner out." From Terry Mauro: If you can, please answer for me over at McMadman's, that I've been re-instated back at JFKResearch for the last year and a half. "I resigned from JFKResearch as monitor because I was too busy with my PET-CT studies, and a research project I was obliged to conduct for one of the urologists at Brotman Medical Center, which is now going into its third year, BTW. B.J. Very cool ... PET-CT, the new dynamic duo of medicine. I didn't have time to monitor the board and had enlisted the help of Dixie and another member, at the time of my resignation." When I was in contact with Judyth, our talks about laboratory technology were in discussing protocols for doing CBC's and RIA's, B.J. Sounds like you girls need to get out more.<g> ...about how much things have changed and progressed in the last 40 years, yet some remain the same. We discussed autologous red-cell tagging, and state of the art products used today, such as Tc0499m with Ultratag for doing cardiac ejection fractions studies, liver hemangioma SPECT studies, G.I. Bleed Localizations, etc. B.J. Am not familiar with Tc0499m. Have heard of Tc99 and Tc99m. But then I have only surface knowledge ... and pretty old at that ... of anything nuclear medicine/radiology, etc. Clinical lab is my bailiwick. And yes, we conferred on centrifuges, sed rates, both in urine analysis, as well as plasma supernatant separation from packed RBC's, B.J.: Am I being tested? This is funny.<g> B.J.: Sed rates in "urine analysis" [uh...urinalysis] ... and on plasma taken off in preparing units of packed cells? Do tell. B.J.: I must be reading it wrong, but it sure looks like that's what it says to me. Very funny.<g> B.J.: Personally, I've never been involved in, nor do I know any hospital clinical lab that is involved in, preparation of various components for transfusion ... packed red cells being the component most used in transfusion situations. Where I live, the American Red Cross blood bank is the main center used. Hospital labs receive their regular order once or twice a week ... and call in between for any special/emergency needs. The Red Cross collects and processes autologous units too. B.J.: I sure hope they don't waste that supernatant plasma after doing a sed rate on it, and process it for FFP instead. :-) B.J.: [reinserting in part]: And yes, we conferred on centrifuges,.......... ..... the grids and microscopes used to do the counts on these specimens. B.J.: Must be some crazy chamber and dilution to do a cell count on packed RBCs (and go figure why)......have never seen anyone attempt an actual chambered cell count as part of a "urine analysis" either. Judyth seemed quite knowledgeable with regard to lab technology especially circa the early 60's. B.J.: I've noticed. :-) As I've stated above, equipment evolves, but there are some techniques that remain the same, especially in smaller labs, or possibly in even depressed areas of the U.S., or in Third World nations. Every place can't be Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, or Johns Hopkins, or Emory, for that matter. B.J.: No quibble here on that. B.J.: Aside to Dixie ... thanks for sending Judyth's commentary to Terry and posting her response here. I don't see how it relates to what Judyth said, but I certainly enjoyed reading it. Rather needed a chuckle after watching Andre Aggasi in his last professional match this morning. :-( Was nice to sign on find this.<g> Barb :-) ...So, if you will, please copy and paste this e-mail in its entirety over at McAdams because, as you already know, I have no use for his credentials as a professor of whatever the hell he claims to be an expert of. Thanks, Doo. Love ya, T. Group: alt.assassination.jfk Date: Sat, Sep 2, 2006, 1:44pm (PDT+3) From: mshack@cnc.net (Martin Shackelford) Some comments from Judyth: Remember, we were working with a specific KIND of cancer ONLY, and I had been working for MONTHS in Gainesville using a COMBINATION of various tests, as described, to INDICATE THE LIKELIHOOD that the blood cell stats REFLECTED the presence of cancer. As for the statements about the blood sedimentation tests she is familiar with, it says clearly they had ALREADY PREPARED the blood samples, and in fact, STANDARD sed tests, which this individual has been describing, had ALREADY BEEN DONE. The fact that this person didn't understand that the pellets being created were later used to see how long/what percentage of the radioactive tagged blood was STILL PRESENT is unfortunate. At the same time, i needed to check the blood plasma in the spun-down portion of the blood sample which produced the pellet. The STANDARDIZED test had been around for many decades, yes. The critic writing this ASSUMES that I spent MONTHS learning how to DO a simple sedimentation test, instead of the fact that I was doing research for a whole YEAR at U of FL determining ADAPTATIONS of the sed test to use to try to detect the presence of cancer. it's like saying all we have is penicillin when I was, in fact, developing new antibiotics. The whole premise about my not knowing how to do this kind of blood cell differentiation under the microscope stinks. I was doing that way back in high school as part of my cancer research training. What did she think that training consisted of-- feeding my mice kibbles? Why did I have to spend so many hours at Manatee memorial Hospital? Why did I have to spend so many hours in labs? Just sitting there doing nothing? I will reply IN DETAIL to each of these concerns, but this person assumes i was using a STANDARDIZED SEDIMENTATION TEST. I used a COMBINATION OF TESTS and an DAPTED TEST. As for the lab reading these tests, the prisoner I saw was isolated form others, and the tests being conducted on him and perhaps, as I firmly believe, others, did not involve the materials that were going to be TAKEN AWAY SECRETLY TO TAKEN AWAY SECRETLY TO OCHSNER'S. This could NOT be done in the OPEN, as it would have linked Ochsner to these experiments, a big no-no. But Ochsner STILL wanted the bloodwork, and he wanted me to do readings to check if the standardized tests had been properly conducted, for starters (why risk sending the materials to Ochsner if somebody flubbed on the samples themselves?). I was able to assure that the samples matched the stats. As for my being there a half-hour, I repeat, the work I had to do took a very short time on the samples, the rest was checking the stats and making sure all the paperwork matched, etc. I am a speed reader and could go through everything in seconds. None of this is within the ken or understanding of this person. By the way, my friend Joanne Barbera was a lab tech FOR YEARS and did similar testing for a toxin lab here in Arixona. She and I discussed some of my procedures and she is a firm supporter of my testimony. Joanne has stood by my side. Terry Mauro is another lab expert who corresponded with me for quite awhile and who was an EXPERT at blood sedimentation tests, etc. She was basically kicked of DellaRosa's group not long after coming to my defense. Terry KNOWS the methodology I was using was sound and that I was using a VARIANT of the standard sed test. The critic mentions CANCER with a big paintbrush. i repeat, the tests were fine-honed to show a certain profile that meant the specific cancer in which we were interested was PROBABLY ALIVE and was PROBABLY the cause of the patient's current distress. The blood counts would help show that this was not caused by something else. It was one of a series of tests that were conducted so that these could be used to track Fidel Castro's own bloodwork without being noticed. The very ordinariness of this kind of test which, with proper training, and some modifications that wouldn't be noticed, meant you could detect if the cancer PROBABLY was causing the damage, a diagnostic tool irresistible to Ochsner's sensibilities. **************************************************************************** B.J.: "Sed rates in "urine analysis" [uh...urinalysis] ... and on plasma taken off in preparing units of packed cells? Do tell. B.J.: I must be reading it wrong, but it sure looks like that's what it says to me. Very funny.<g>" T.M.: Excuse me for indescriminantly lumping ESR's in before urinalysis. It was a typographical error, on my part. Laugh your head off, if you want. B.J.: "I sure hope they don't waste that supernatant plasma after doing a sed rate on it, and process it for FFP instead. :-)" T.M.: The supernatant is poured off after centrifuge. What do you want? A dissertation on laboratory technology of 40 years ago? ROFLYAO B.J.: "Must be some crazy chamber and dilution to do a cell count on packed RBCs (and go figure why)......have never seen anyone attempt an actual chambered cell count as part of a "urine analysis" either." T.M.: I'm sorry for not having made myself crystal-clear on this for you. I was referring to a simple CBC, after it's been spun down [THE SUPERNATANT POURED OFF], put on a glass slide, and how it's counted under a microscope. We even employed simple hand clickers to tally up the number of different types of RBC's, as well as the different types of WBC's, platelets, etc., found in the CBC specimen. That's why it's called a Complete Blood Count, as you already know. Same thing with a urinalysis, where you spin it down, place the sediment on a glass slide under a microscope, and count the number of casts, as well as threads, and WBC's which may be present, indicating an infection. Any janitor can be taught to do this. This isn't rocket science and can be taught in any high school chemistry class. T.M.: The possibility that Judyth excelled in this area of her studies prior to entering university is not all that remote, considering the number of high school students completing their basic college preparatory courses, and entering university while still in their junior and senior years. The fact that Judyth was of this caliber of intellect in high school is cited in her hometown newspapers. B.J.: "Am not familiar with Tc0499m. Have heard of Tc99 and Tc99m. But then I have only surface knowledge ... and pretty old at that ... of anything nuclear medicine/radiology, etc. Clinical lab is my bailiwick." T.M.: Another typographical error, on my part. FWIW, Tc99mo4, or 99mTC04 stands for Technecium99m Pertechnetate, T 1/2 = 6.05 hours, with an energy level of 140 kev. It's known as the "workhorse" in Nuclear Medicine due to its low level of energy and short half-life, making it the nuclide of choice to tag the various diagnostic imaging agents used in the field of nuclear and molecular imaging. T.M.: I don't possess a Phi Beta Kappa key, nor I do not consider myself to be on the same intellectual strata as Judyth, who IMHO, was obviously a gifted child. Are you aware of the fact that her father worked at Los Alamos [and not as a janitor, either]? Intellectual astuteness, theoretically cannot be pinpointed as genetically inheritable, but if one is a product of one's environment, as well as its influence, then it's quite feasible that Judyth may have had a good head start in the right direction, from a scientific standpoint. J.V.B.: "Terry Mauro is another lab expert who corresponded with me for quite awhile and who was an EXPERT at blood sedimentation tests, etc." T.M.: I studied Laboratory Technology, at the age of 17 in 1962, in my first year at college, but I don't consider myself to be an "expert." T.M.: In the field of the sciences, medical, as well as, physical, there are aspects that have been applied and tested continually, that have remained constant in their results. These are what I consider to be the "known" applications. Then, there are those areas that will remain hypothetical due, in part, to the nature of their elements, and continual inquiry resulting in variable explanations or theories for their applications. Such as, quantum physics, i.e., "quarks, muons, leptons, string theory", and "edge of the universe building blocks of life theory." PBS Nova is quite a useful venue for educating those who are interested, or have a background relative to the study. T.M.: Therefore, while you have constant flux in certain aspects of scientific inquiry, you also have tried and true methodology. The field of medical science and research falls somewhere in between, as there's always room for improvement and "fine-tuning," so to speak, as better diagnostic tools, therapies, pharmaceuticals, etc. are developed and implemented through the field of research. T.M.: Are you an "expert," Barbara? Are you a Phd., or a doctorate? I'm not being snide, I'm merely asking. B.J.: "Aside to Dixie ... thanks for sending Judyth's commentary to Terry and posting her response here. I don't see how it relates to what Judyth said, but I certainly enjoyed reading it. Rather needed a chuckle after watching Andre Aggasi in his last professional match this morning. :-( Was nice to sign on find this.<g> Barb :-)" T.M.: Being that my friend, Dixie was kind enough to post this for me, your condescending, smart-aleck diatribe comes off making you sound like some kind of a harpy. Your lack of professionalism, when broaching the subject of research is deplorable, regardless of how many flaws you feel you may be finding in someone else's description of their methodology. How about showing a modicum of decorum when debating your field of expertise, instead of riding rough-shod over someone else's. You have an obligation to your profession to remain objective and non-abusive when attempting to cite your opinion. T.M.: I reserve my ascerbic attacks for those exhibiting blatant banality or outright stupidity concerning magic bullet trajectory, lone assassin lunacy, etc. When it comes to discussing my profession, I attempt to remain congenial and open to inquiry. I feel that I'm obliged to remain so and took an oath to never tarnish my credentials or licensure. T.M.: Maybe, that's why I no longer frequent these sites, and have especially avoided this type of extreme venue. And, in reality, working between three different medical centers leaves little room for me to spend time perusing the assassination anymore. As far as I'm concerned, there's just so much one can do, especially with the present regime in power, and the decline in personal freedoms becoming so inherent in what used to be a "democratic republic," a contradiction in terms, in and of itself. Theresa C. Mauro FWIW ************************************************************ And, I will also concede when I've made a mistake: 1. For putting out information that was incorrect and unclear. i.e. Complete Blood Count procedure and protocol. 2. For confusing Plasma Volume processing [a Nuclear Medicine procedure] with CBC processing and procedure. 3. For not being clear on ESR procedure and protocol, aka "sed rates." For those who are interested, I have listed the CBC protocol below: Complete Blood Count A complete blood count (CBC) or full blood count (FBC) or full blood exam (FBE) is a test requested by a doctor or other medical professional that gives information about the cells in a patient's blood. A CBC is also known as a "hemogram". The cells that circulate in the bloodstream are generally divided into three types: white blood cells (leukocytes), red blood cells (erythrocytes), and platelets or thrombocytes. Abnormally high or low counts may indicate the presence of many forms of disease, and hence blood counts are amongst the most commonly performed blood tests in medicine. * 1 Methods o 1.1 Samples o 1.2 Automated blood count o 1.3 Manual blood count * 2 Results o 2.1 Red cells o 2.2 White cells o 2.3 Platelets * 3 Interpretation Methods Samples Blood is taken in a test tube containing an anticoagulant (EDTA, sometimes citrate) to stop it from clotting, and transported to a laboratory. In the past, counting the cells in a patient's blood was performed manually, by viewing a slide prepared with a sample of the patient's blood under a microscope (a blood film, or peripheral smear). Nowadays, this process is generally automated by use of an automated analyser, with only specific samples being examined manually. Automated blood count The blood is well mixed (though not shaken) and placed on a special rack on the analyzer. This instrument has many different components to analyze different elements in the blood. The cell counting component counts the numbers and types of different cells within the blood. The results are printed out or sent to a computer for review by a technologist. Blood counting machines aspirate a very small amount of the specimen through narrow tubing. Within this tubing, there are sensors that count the number of cells going through it, and can identify the type of cell. The two main sensors used are light detectors, and electrical impedance. One way the instrument can tell what type of blood cell is present is by size. Other instruments measure different characteristics of the cells to categorize them. Because an automated cell counter samples and counts so many cells, the results are very precise. However, certain abnormal cells in the blood may be identified incorrectly, and require the trained eye of a medical technologist. Medical technologists are specially trained to review the instrument's results and identify any abnormal cells the instrument could not categorize. In addition to counting, measuring, and analyzing red blood cells, white blood cells and platelets, automated hematology analyzers also measure the amount of hemoglobin in our blood and within each red blood cell. This information can be very helpful to a physician who, for example, is trying to identify the cause of a patient's anemia. If the red cells are smaller or larger than normal, or if there's a lot of variation in the size of the red cells, this data can help guide the direction of further testing and expedite the diagnostic process so patients can get the treatment they need quickly. Automated blood counting machines include the Beckman Coulter LH series, Sysmex XE-2100, Bayer ADVIA 120, and the Abbott Cell-Dyn series. Manual blood count Counting chambers that hold a specified volume of diluted blood (as there are far too many cells if it is not diluted) are used to calculate the number of red and white cells per litre of blood. To identify the numbers of different white cells, a blood film is made, and a large number of white cells (at least 100) are counted. This gives the percentage of cells that are of each type. By multiplying the percentage with the total number of white blood cells, the absolute number of each type of white cell can be obtained. The advantage of manual counting by a medical technologist is that blood cells that may be misidentified by an automated counter can be identified visually. It is, however, subject to human error because so few cells are counted compared with automated analysis. Results For examples of standard values, see Reference ranges for common blood tests#Hematology. A complete blood count will normally include: Red cells * Total red blood cells - The number of red cells is given as an absolute number per litre. * Hemoglobin - The amount of hemoglobin in the blood, expressed in grams per litre. (Low hemoglobin is called anemia.) * Hematocrit or packed cell volume (PCV) - This is the fraction of whole blood volume that consists of red blood cells. * Mean corpuscular volume (MCV) - the average volume of the red cells, measured in femtolitres. Anemia is classified as microcytic or macrocytic based on whether this value is above or below the expected normal range. Other conditions that can affect MCV include thalassemia and reticulocytosis. * Mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH) - the average amount of hemoglobin per red blood cell, in picograms. * Mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration (MCHC) - the average concentration of hemoglobin in the cells. * Red blood cell distribution width (RDW) - a measure of the variation of the RBC population White cells * Total white blood cells - All the white cell types are given as a percentage and as an absolute number per litre. A complete blood count with differential will also include: * Neutrophil granulocytes - May indicate bacterial infection. May also be raised in acute viral infections. * Lymphocytes - Higher with some viral infections such as glandular fever and. Also raised in lymphocytic leukaemia CLL. * Monocytes - May be raised in bacterial infection * Eosinophil granulocytes - Increased in parasitic infections. * Basophil granulocytes A manual count will also give information about other cells that are not normally present in peripheral blood, but may be released in certain disease processes. Platelets * Platelet numbers are given, as well as information about their size and the range of sizes in the blood. Interpretation Certain disease states are defined by an absolute increase or decrease in the number of a particular type of cell in the bloodstream. For example: Type of Cell Increase Decrease Red Blood Cells (RBC) erythrocytosis or polycythemia anemia or erythroblastopenia White Blood Cells (WBC): leukocytosis leukopenia -- lymphocytes -- lymphocytosis -- lymphocytopenia -- granulocytes: -- granulocytosis -- granulocytopenia or agranulocytosis -- --neutrophils -- --neutrophilia -- --neutropenia -- --eosinophils -- --eosinophilia -- --eosinopenia Platelets thrombocytosis thrombocytopenia All cell lines --- pancytopenia Many disease states are heralded by changes in the blood count: * leukocytosis can be a sign of infection. * thrombocytopenia can result from drug toxicity. * pancytopenia is generally as the result of decreased production from the bone marrow, and is a common complication of cancer chemotherapy. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_blood_count" Category: Blood tests Views * This page was last modified 12:13, 6 September 2006. My apologies to Barbara Junkkarinen Theresa C. Mauro

His postings would resemble those of Brendan Slattery. I seriously doubt G. Dubya could even measure up to lowest rung on the ladder known as B.S., John. But, for a chaser, take a look at what truthout.org just posted regarding the GOP's planned tactical campaign assault on the Democratic party during the up and coming elections. More dirty tricks from the right-wing. What do you think? The t r u t h o u t Town Meeting is in progress. Join the debate! Go to Original Desperate to Remain in Control, GOP Resorts to Attack Ads By Jim VandeHei and Chris Cillizza The Washington Post Sunday 10 September 2006 Republicans are planning to spend the vast majority of their sizable financial war chest over the final 60 days of the campaign attacking Democratic House and Senate candidates over personal issues and local controversies, GOP officials said. The National Republican Congressional Committee, which this year dispatched a half-dozen operatives to comb through tax, court and other records looking for damaging information on Democratic candidates, plans to spend more than 90 percent of its $50 million-plus advertising budget on what officials described as negative ads. The hope is that a vigorous effort to "define" opponents, in the parlance of GOP operatives, can help Republicans shift the midterm debate away from Iraq and limit losses this fall. The first round of attacks includes an ad that labeled a Democratic candidate in Wisconsin "Dr. Millionaire" and noted that he has sued 80 patients. "Opposition research is power," said Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (N.Y.), the NRCC chairman. "Opposition research is the key to defining untested opponents." The Republican National Committee, meanwhile, has enlisted veteran party strategist Terry Nelson to run a campaign that will coordinate with Senate Republicans on ads that similarly will rely on the best of the worst that researchers have dug up on Democrats. The first ad run by the new RNC effort criticizes Ohio Rep. Sherrod Brown (D) for voting against proposals designed to toughen border protection and deport illegal immigrants. Because challengers tend to be little-known compared with incumbents, they are more vulnerable to having their public image framed by the opposition through attacks and unflattering personal revelations. And with polls showing the Republicans' House and Senate majorities in jeopardy, party strategists said they have concluded that their best chance to prevent big Democratic gains is a television and direct-mail blitz over the next eight weeks aimed at raising enough questions about Democratic candidates that voters decide they are unacceptable choices. "When you run in an adverse political environment, you try to localize and personalize the race as much as you can," Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) said. In a memo released last week, Cole, who is running to succeed Reynolds at the NRCC, expanded on that strategy. The memo recommended that vulnerable incumbents spend $20,000 on a research "package" to find damaging material about challengers and urged that they "define your opponent immediately and unrelentingly." GOP officials said internal polling shows Republicans could limit losses to six to 10 House seats and two or three Senate seats if the strategy - combined with the party's significant financial advantage and battled-tested turnout operation - proves successful. Democrats need to pick up 15 seats to win control of the House and six to regain power in the Senate. Against some less experienced and little-known opponents, said Matt Keelen, a Republican lobbyist heavily involved in House campaigns, "It will take one or two punches to fold them up like a cheap suit." Republicans plan to attack Democratic candidates over their voting records, business dealings, and legal tussles, the GOP officials said. John Geer, a political scientist at Vanderbilt University and the author of a book on negative advertising, said Republicans and Democrats alike lack positive issues on which to run because of divisions over the war and economic policy. This will be a "very negative campaign and probably a more negative campaign than any in recent memory," Geer said. As Republicans try to localize races, Democrats' hopes for the most part hinge on being able to nationalize the election and turn it into a referendum on the Iraq war, President Bush, and the performance of the Republican Congress - all faring poorly in polls this year. Bush will try to make terrorism the issue nationally, casting the election as a choice between two distinct approaches for protecting the nation from attack. Beyond that, however, most Republicans want to distance their elections from the national context. That strategy is born of necessity. Republicans are alarmed by the large number of House and Senate incumbents who are trailing or tied in their internal polling. Many are attracting the support of less than 45 percent of likely voters - a danger zone for any incumbent 60 days before an election. The political rule of thumb is that incumbents rarely draw a majority of voters who make up their minds in the days shortly before Election Day. History shows how the combination of opposition research and negative advertising can work. In 2000, Republicans unleashed a furious attack on the spending practices of Democratic House candidate Linda Chapin, including her purchase of an $18,500 bronze frog as a legislator in Florida. Chapin, then the favorite to win an open Florida House seat, lost to Republican Ric Keller. That same election cycle, Republicans dug up a tape of state Rep. Eleanor Jordan (D-Ky.) asking to speed up a vote so she could attend a fundraiser, an image that destroyed her chances of knocking off Rep. Anne M. Northup ®. This year, the challenge is tougher, as national polling shows voters dissatisfied with the party in power and ready for a change. "When all [Republicans] do is launch potshots, they look like they're trying to cover up the fact that they have no solutions" said Phil Singer, communications director for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. As in past elections, the bulk of negative advertising this year probably will be delivered by party committees - a strategy that allows the candidates to distance themselves from the trash-talking messages that turn off some voters. Wisconsin's 8th District offers an example. Earlier this summer, the NRCC sent a young staff member to the district for one week to look through court records, government and medical documents, and local newspapers to find embarrassing information about physician Steve Kagen, one of the leading Democratic candidates in an important swing district, an NRCC aide said. The researcher discovered that Kagen's allergy clinic has sued more than 80 patients, mostly for failing to pay their bills. A new NRCC ad airing in the Green Bay area, the district's main media market, warns: "What Dr. Millionaire doesn't want you to know is his clinic left more than 80 patients behind - suing them. That's right, suing more than 80 patients." In recent elections, Democratic officials have complained that Republicans are much better at opposition research. But Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) and Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), who chair the Democrats' House and Senate campaign committees, have invested more heavily in research. Notably, the researchers dig not only into Republicans, but also their own candidates. This allows Democrats to anticipate what is coming and be ready to respond quickly. One Democratic research success this year came when Emanuel's staff combed though the archives of several universities to find a copy of an article Colorado Republican candidate Rick O'Donnell wrote for an obscure publication in the mid-1990s. A researcher eventually found the article at George Washington University. In it, O'Donnell argued that Social Security should be abolished - a revelation that was highlighted in three sharply worded DSCC mailings in the district. Direct-mail appeals often carry the most negative and potentially damaging messages. Dan Hazelwood, a leading GOP direct mail consultant, said that if a hypothetical Democratic candidate favors the establishment of a garbage dump in a section of the district, for instance, it makes more sense to "narrow-cast" this message by mail to the people most affected rather than buying an expensive, districtwide television ad. The RNC's expanded role in part reflects concerns that Senate Republicans may not have enough money to take the fight to Democrats. The National Republican Senatorial Committee, under Chair Elizabeth Dole (R-N.C.), had $15 million less to spend than the DSCC at the end of July. But, the RNC is planning to make up the difference. The committee ended July with nearly $44 million in the bank, four times what the Democratic National Committee had on hand. In setting up a separate arm to spend money on Senate races, the RNC is altering its past practice. In the past, the RNC simply transferred a large sum of money to the House and Senate campaign committees and let the chairmen decide how to spend it. This year, Nelson - a former top official in the Bush reelection effort and political strategist for House Republicans - will work with consultants Tony Feather and Curt Anderson to oversee the TV and direct-mail campaign, which by law must remain independent of coordination directly with candidates.

Call me old-fashioned or out of time, but the concept of laissez faire has historically been proven disasterous to a healthy American economy any time it has been implemented. Its proponents will cite its advantages from their entrepeneurial, or corporate P.O.V., when in reality a "free market" system means the sacrifice and loss of viable employment opportunities within the continental sector via their out-sourcing to Third World economies. Computerization has compounded the fact by the sheer magnitude of the globility it provides for the facillitation and success of the process. What answer is readily available to staunch this hemorrhage? A dwindling surplus of menial minimum wage jobs? War serves mainly to line the pockets of the contracted entities [Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.] who stand to profit from the carnage and destruction wrought during the emminent domaining process inherent in the empirical/imperialist dual mindset, equally reminicent of the Manifest Destiny concept of the 1700's. Therefore, with regard to the ordinary citizens of the Western, Middle Eastern, or the Asian sectors of the world, shall we remain as the mere "plebes" of old, in this "global" society, lacking in voice, strength, or tenacity? Excellent read, John. Thanks for linking me up.

Rex: Carl's answer on the phone Sunday was actually a mini speech, so I cannot transcribe it. I will re-ask the question and try to get him to limit his response. I have also mailed him this stuff, snail mail. He has also asked that I give out his tel no. to anyone with questions or would just like to say hello. In fact I should probably just post it because as he said "I am in the damn phone book if anyone wants to call me". (I took that as a hint that he'd appreciate a call!! .) He is a public person since the Viet Nam war invaded his private life in 1965. Can be reached at 413-253-7410. (And if the NSA is still listening he and I just laugh at them> Must be a terribly boring job, so we provide a bit of humor just for them *********************************************************** Hey, if someone would send me a copy of this book, I'll guarantee to put up a chapter every weekend until it's completely entered into the database. This is taking too long, already! Ter

You are correct that this forum can benefit by more conservative voices. You are dead wrong in thinking that you are providing that voice. By your antics you drive people even further to the left. IMHO. Further to the left? I don't think that's ... possible. My politics are irelevant. Any and all WC defenders on this board are immediately ambushed and defamed. Their names, backgrounds, and jobs are instantly googled. And given time, they're ultimately banned. Honorable men like Prof. McAdams are smeared as CIA "dupes" by a deranged senior citizen in Texas, who posts anything he wants with impunity. Others are slandered as "accessories after the fact." You wouldn't even know about my politics were it not for the incessant, left-wing, McGovernite, birkenstock radicalism coarsing through the bloodstream of this forum. Consider me your "balancing" effect. *************************************************************** "Honorable men like Prof. McAdams are smeared as CIA "dupes" by a deranged senior citizen in Texas, who posts anything he wants with impunity." HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! You poor misguided blundering boob! Somebody, get out the violins. "Consider me your "balancing" effect." Can't someone find this pathetic creature a home, somewhere else? You are a disgrace, Brendan. This is verging on becoming almost comedic in its [A]ffect. Jeez Louise!

Terry, some free advice: men don't like foul-mouthed women who wear glasses. If you want to be useful, you can start by ironing my shirts. P.S. Simkin insulted me first. BS: You're a riot. Iron your shirts? Terry would iron you out like the puff of hot air you are. I'd pay $ to watch and I deplopre all violence, so of course I mean this metaphorically speaking. Terr's mouth is a huge asset. She is one of the few people I know who can get away with foul language, because she utilizes it so effectively. You barely realize she is saying bad words- if I may be so quaint. I am not a fan of cursing and I NEVER take the Lord's name in vain... but Ter? She can say about anything and be very cool as well as smart. That equals sexy dude. Except to not overly bright Republicans who favor the Earl Warren school of fantasy. "Say goodnight Gracie". Dawn ********************************************************* Hey Dawnie, thanks. I don't mean to hi-jack this thread, but this is the first time I've had a chance to look at the Watergate section in a coon's age. I was very impressed with Patrick's last post there, and sent it straight away to Steve G., in fact. Go November, Yay team!!! Oh, sorry folks. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything except that I'll be spending Thanksgiving with Dawn, Janet, [steve, Steven] the two Steves of Austin, and Erick, this year in Austin City Limits. Yippee!

How did you manage to overlook its virulently pro-conspiracy slant? Why the benign, neutral language? Yet that is just what I do. I was clearly addressing Ron. Get your eyes checked, genius. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sites.htm And earn bonus points if they implicate the eeevil CIA, your fave pet obsession. How big of you. Yeah, I'd be much more popular if I started some "enemies in our midst" threads. ******************************************************* "Get your eyes checked, genius." "And earn bonus points if they implicate the eeevil CIA, your fave pet obsession." "How big of you." "Yeah, I'd be much more popular if I started some "enemies in our midst" threads." Get bent, you mealy-mouthed, pea-brained goon! How dare you insult the administrator of this site! Why don't you get your fascist-bastard handlers to set you up with your own site where you can bash liberals to your heart's content. Your input here amounts to a pile of horsexxxx. Terry, some free advice: men don't like foul-mouthed women who wear glasses. If you want to be useful, you can start by ironing my shirts. P.S. Simkin insulted me first. ****************************************************** "Terry, some free advice: men don't like foul-mouthed women who wear glasses. If you want to be useful, you can start by ironing my shirts." Yeah, maybe like some right-wing fascist wing-nuts such as your sorry ilk, stuck in the Eisenhower time-warp of the 1950's. Don't forget to go to church tomorrow morning, you war-mongering "praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" hypocrite! Brendan. speak for yourself. Real men like foul-mouthed women who wear glasses just fine. Maybe a real "broad" who speaks her mind is just a little too real for you. By your politics, you seem to have a thing for Ann Coulter, who, while speaking her mind, hides it behind her dyed-blonde hair and salon-tanned long legs, somewhere up her, well, never mind... You are correct that this forum can benefit by more conservative voices. You are dead wrong in thinking that you are providing that voice. By your antics you drive people even further to the left. IMHO. ********************************************************** Thank you, Patrick. We must meet for coffee some time in the future. We're only over the hill from one another, you know? Maybe we could meet halfway on Ventura Boulevard, in Encino or Studio City? Ter

US tax dollars at work, in the name of "national security". *********************************************************** "US tax dollars at work, in the name of "national security"." Here's an even more egregious misuse of U.S. tax dollars at work, in the name of "national security," Antti. What do you think? The t r u t h o u t Town Meeting is in progress. Join the debate! Go to Original Halliburton Fraud Lawsuit Details Super Bowl Party By T. Christian Miller The Los Angeles Times Saturday 09 September 2006 Washington - Halliburton Co. executives ordered a big-screen television and 10 large tubs of tacos, chicken wings and cheese sticks delivered to Iraq for last year's Super Bowl, then billed U.S. taxpayers for their party, according to a lawsuit unsealed Friday. The Houston-based company also defrauded the government by double and triple-billing for Internet, food and gym services for soldiers, according to the lawsuit by a former employee for KBR, the Halliburton subsidiary that runs dining halls for troops in Iraq. "The administration is not enforcing the laws against fraud when it comes to contractors in Iraq," said Alan Grayson, the attorney who filed the suit. "When it comes to seeing that the law is executed, the Bush administration is a no-show." Halliburton denied the allegations, filed under the False Claims Act. Designed to prevent war profiteering, such lawsuits allow citizens to sue on behalf of the government and recover a portion of any damages. The company did not deny ordering the TV and the food; it set up snack buffets and screenings at military bases throughout Iraq for the 2005 Super Bowl. But KBR noted that its contract allowed the firm to provide recreation and morale-boosting services for its employees and for American soldiers. "The claims included in this lawsuit clearly demonstrate a complete misinterpretation of facts as well as a lack of understanding of KBR's contractual agreements with its customer, the U.S. Army," Halliburton spokeswoman Melissa Norcross said. The accusations in the lawsuit are the latest involving Halliburton's controversial multibillion-dollar contract to feed and house American soldiers in Iraq. Democrats have been quick to criticize the company, which was run by Vice President Dick Cheney from 1995 to 2000. In June, a KBR subcontractor was indicted on kickback charges involving the dining halls, which feed tens of thousands of soldiers a day in camps throughout Iraq and Kuwait. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has withheld $55.1 million out of a total of $13.7 billion in payments on the contract as a result of disputed costs. The Department of Justice chose not to join the lawsuit against Halliburton after conducting an investigation. Justice officials declined to elaborate Friday, but in legal circles such a decision is usually considered indication of a weak case. Grayson accused the department of shirking its duties in the middle of a political season. Several dozen lawsuits alleging fraud in Iraq are believed to have been filed, but they remain under seal until the department completes its investigations. Grayson is best known for having won another fraud case, which Justice officials also passed up, against a private security company named Custer Battles. That decision was recently overturned by a federal judge and is now on appeal. Grayson, who recently lost a primary race for a House seat in Florida running as a Democrat, denied any political motivations in pursuing the case against Halliburton, noting that he had filed it before deciding to run for office. He said that the whistle-blower in the case, Julie McBride, came forward only after KBR officials ignored her complaints. McBride said in the lawsuit that she was placed under armed guard and then fired after she raised questions about Halliburton's billing practices. She could not be reached for comment Friday. Justice Department officials "are stonewalling and keeping these cases under seal unnecessarily," Grayson said. Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Los Angeles), who has been the leader in Congress in attacking Halliburton, said that the charges were further proof of war profiteering by the oil services giant. "One former Halliburton employee after another tells the same story of outrageous and intentional overcharging," Waxman said in a statement. "Yet no one in the Bush administration seems to care." That's because they're too busy laughing the asses off all the way to the bank. Ter

How did you manage to overlook its virulently pro-conspiracy slant? Why the benign, neutral language? Yet that is just what I do. I was clearly addressing Ron. Get your eyes checked, genius. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sites.htm And earn bonus points if they implicate the eeevil CIA, your fave pet obsession. How big of you. Yeah, I'd be much more popular if I started some "enemies in our midst" threads. ******************************************************* "Get your eyes checked, genius." "And earn bonus points if they implicate the eeevil CIA, your fave pet obsession." "How big of you." "Yeah, I'd be much more popular if I started some "enemies in our midst" threads." Get bent, you mealy-mouthed, pea-brained goon! How dare you insult the administrator of this site! Why don't you get your fascist-bastard handlers to set you up with your own site where you can bash liberals to your heart's content. Your input here amounts to a pile of horsexxxx.

*************************************************** "BTW, I sent Terry an email back. She can share or post it if she wants." Here is the e-mail that turned into a thread of its own during this Labor Day Weekend, folks. It's too bad that all my friends, acquaintances, fellow-students, and the research community, as a whole, can't come together and agree to put aside their animosities and differences long enough to stick to the essence of the matter, plus the viable information available, without being torn in 100 different directions, and ending up going nowhere in the long run. Divide and conquer. That's the enemy's surefire way of wearing down the opposition and discouraging any substantial progress being made. And, as I remind my friends, when it comes to e-mail replies, please always start reading from the bottom up. Thanks, Ter From Wim in answer to my reply to him: I am convinced that you mean well and that your intentions are in the right place too. Sometimes we do not realize we are being taken. When we are lucky, awakening will come at some point. Len Osanic is not the same as Prouty. It's a shame Prouty is dead, as is Garrison. These people would have been my greatest allies when alive. I also agree with you on Dick Clark. That's why he never ran with it. This was filmed by his people (Barry Adelman, good guy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdGBL8SuF7I Don't you think it's strange they never gave an explanation why they didn't make a show of it? Maybe the book would change your mind, I know you never read it: http://www.amazon.com/Files-on-JFK-Wim-Dan...TF8&s=books Are all those reviewers "taken" too, Terry? The house in Spain wasn't mine, so I have nothing to do with the financial side of it. My mom sold it a few months ago and is now living in the Netherlands again, close to my sister. Wim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Mauro" <tmauro@pacbell.net> To: "Wim Dankbaar" <dank@xs4all.nl> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Something sent by a friend. > I'm sorry, Wim. But, I have been a student of Prouty's since 1990, and of > Lifton's since 1983. Those were the two people whom I found had validated > my thoughts and fears concerning this case since LHO first claimed, "I'm > just a patsy." and the absence of due process being availed to Oswald, who > kept asking to speak to a lawyer, for 2 days following his arrest!!! Before > Prouty and Lifton, I resorted to anti-war demonstrations and pro-civil > rights rallies as my way of disagreeing with the lie being perpetrated on the > citizenry. I knew what an outright sham the WCR was in June 1964 after > viewing the cheap sketches of the bullet's trajectory in the New York Times > newspaper. > > So, let me say that I've been studying this case since I was 18 years old, > and IMHO, it's not so much the actual shooters who matter here. Whom, as > far as I'm concerned, were merely contracted mechanics, who would've been quickly > dispensed with, shortly after the job was completed. I seriously doubt the > producers of the assassination would've allowed them to still be alive, > after all these years, to tell the tale after the fact. The shooters were > disposable and posed a greater threat to the cover-up, regardless of how > compartmentalized they may have been kept. > > Therefore, when you dis Len Osanic, you are dissing Prouty, whom I consider > to be my mentor. When you dis David, you are dissing me, because his > research was tantamount in bringing the medical aspects of the botched > autopsy, as well as the cat and mouse game perpetrated on the physicians > attempting to conduct their work in a manner conducive to forensic inquiry. > > I personally don't care what you think of my input regarding this case, but > when it comes down to Len and David, they are my personal friends, as well > as teachers. > I'd much rather be in league with someone that was there [Prouty], and > someone who was a bonafide physicist working on the Apollo Space project at > JPL Pasadena, CA, who utilizes scientific reasoning and deduction in his > investigation, than a promoter who came on the scene late in the game, who > may have been hoodwinked by a bunch of carnival barking hawkers and > hucksters. And, Dick Clark, of all people, is the last person I would ever > have trusted to run anything, even archival evidence, past. He's no better > than Johnny Carson. That's like turning the investigation over to Allen > Dulles! > > Wake up, Wim. I feel sorry you were taken, and I believe your heart and > your intentions were in the right place. I only hope you didn't have to > sell your father's house in Spain to re-coup your money on this. Take care. > > Ter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wim Dankbaar" <dank@xs4all.nl> > To: "Len Osanic" <osanic@prouty.org>; "'David S. Lifton'" > <dlifton@earthlink.net>; "'Terry Mauro'" <tmauro@pacbell.net>; > "'DAWN MEREDITH'" <dmeredith@austin.rr.com>; "'Dixie M Dea'" <gatewaymkt@webtv.net>; "'Don > Jeffries'" <donjeffries@mris.com>; "'Fetz'" <jfetzer@d.umn.edu>; "'John Simkin'" <john.simkin@ntlworld.com>; "'Steve Gaal'" <bluehot@verizon.net>; "'Ed Sherry'" <treefrog@ix.netcom.com>; "'Anita Langley'" <anita@mindgallery.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: Something sent by a friend. > > > > Len, I rest may case, you can't be saved. No use talking with someone who > > puts personal pride above truth. No surprise you didn't answer the > > questions: > > > > "Around which Zapruder frame was JFK hit in the throat and from where? > > Please be so fair to not ignore these two questions." > > > > As I said , I don't need to convince everyone. I may be wrong but I believe > > you're one of those people that could not apologize when proven wrong. > > > > http://jfkmurdersolved.com/researchers.htm > > > > As for Lifton, I rest my case too. This comes from a reseacher that I > > respect: > > > > ************************** > > > > Also, Lifton thinks that the grassy knoll was built out of papier mache by > > the CIA, he believes that Governor Connally was only shot from the front and > > that he allowed himself to be surgically altered to make it look as if he > > had been shot from behind, and he believes that all of the shots were fired > > from an invisible cherry picker in the parking lot on top of the knoll. > > > > You already know about the lunacy in his book. > > > > He is perhaps the nuttiest of the people who claim to be on our side of the > > case. > > > > ********************* > > > > The fact you have seen the email below a few months ago and choose to > > disregard it, is very telling. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: ZSHELTON9@aol.com > > To: dank@xs4all.nl > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:47 PM > > Subject: Re: James Files / Lancer / Bob Vernon > > > > > > The reply of Zack Shelton > > > > I first was aware of James Files in 1980 because he was a subject of mine > > while I was working in Chicago. My interest in Files as it relates to the > > JFK story was a comment he made to an informant. This comment was made in > > the late 70's. The comment was made in Dallas while driving throught the > > Dealey Plaza and went like this, " If the American people really knew what > > happened here, they would not be able to handle it." I gave this > > information to Joe West in 1993 to and Joe was the person who got Files to > > talk. My next involvement was in 1998 when I retired from the FBI and the > > contact was made my Bob Vernon. I had nothing to do with the confession but > > Bob knew I had discredited a person that was giving information to Joe West > > and he wanted me to talk to Files for my opinion of his truthfulness. > > > > I did this in December on 1998 and told Vernon that I was 50/50 on believing > > or disbelieving Files. Based on what I have investigated since then, that > > percentage has grown toward Files' favor. When Bob Vernon realized that he > > could not claim full ownership of the core evidence, the 1994 video > > interview with James Files, as he had always asserted Wim, me and others, > > Vernon then decided to sell out. Or in fact he forced Wim to buy him out. In > > essence it went like this: Buy me out or I will discredit the whole story > > myself and ruin the investment I solicited from you". Thereafter he started > > saying how everyone was lying. My analysis is that when Vernon realized he > > could not profit more from the story, he decided to try and ruin it for all > > his former partners, who had invested either with sweat, personal sacrifice, > > money or blood. And that includes the late Joe West and James Files. He even > > had the nerve to file a complaint against me. I think that such a betrayal, > > disguised as "truth seeking" by Vernon, should give any thinking person > > enough indication on what Bob Vernon is about. > > > > As Vernon knows, the FBI did not create a hoax , because there is no hoax to > > begin with, in fact, the FBI tried to disregard Files by sending two agents > > to interview him in 1993 and the supervisor told the agents before they went > > to Files," There is a nut in Jiolet that says he shot the President." These > > agents interviewed Files without knowing that their former partner, Zack > > Shelton, had anything to do with Files. Moreover, leads that Files gave them > > were never followed up. > > > > Whoever is corresponding with Wim, needs to find out the truth before > > making assessments based on Bob Vernon's word. Vernon has lied to me and > > tried to undercut Wim when he though he had a sale to Dick Clark several > > years ago. I know this because I prevented it and I was sitting right there > > in his home when he was talking to Clark's #1 person. Suffice to say that > > if there has been one person lying in this whole story, it is Bob Vernon. > > > > > > Zack Shelton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Len Osanic" <osanic@prouty.org> > > To: "'David S. Lifton'" <dlifton@earthlink.net>; "'Wim Dankbaar'" > > <dank@xs4all.nl>; "'Terry Mauro'" <tmauro@pacbell.net>; > > "'DAWN MEREDITH'" <dmeredith@austin.rr.com>; "'Dixie M Dea'" <gatewaymkt@webtv.net>; "'Don > > Jeffries'" <donjeffries@mris.com>; "'Fetz'" <jfetzer@d.umn.edu>; "'John Simkin'" > > <john.simkin@ntlworld.com>; "'Steve Gaal'" <bluehot@verizon.net>; "'Ed > > Sherry'" <treefrog@ix.netcom.com>; "'Anita Langley'" > <anita@mindgallery.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:16 AM > > Subject: RE: Something sent by a friend. > > > > > > > I'm told that you invested very substantial financial resources in Judyth, > > > and that is too bad. You should have exercised more "due diligence" (to use > > > a business and legal term) so you would not have wasted time and money on > > > this screwball lady, and instead put it to better use backing truly worthy > > > research and film projects. > > > > > > I'm sure that was your intention. But unfortunately, you were misled by this > > > con artist. But the fault is not entirely hers, because you are responsible > > > for failing to exercise proper judgment, and taking seriously--and > > > continuing to back--someone who is as phony as a three dollar bill. > > > > > > DSL > > > > > > --------- > > > I agree with this assessment > > > The other con artist is Files. > > > > > > Here is what Bob Vernon wrote me after he unloaded the JFKmurdersolved > > > website to Wim > > > > > > "I will also give your listeners some factual information on how the James > > > Files story was PRE-MEDITATED and Files hoax was perpetrated by the FBI and > > > retired agent Zack Shelton." > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

**********************************************8 "You say: I agree with what Terry Mauro wrote in an email to Wim yesterday, that the shooters were hired mechanics and would never live to tell such a tall tale". So that means that all these people should be dead: Posada carriles Homer Echevarria freddy lugo Jim Braden John Thomas Masen James Files Charles Harrelson E. Howard Hunt Guillermo Novo Felix Rodriguez William Seymour Cesar Diosdado" Those are not the ones who pulled the triggers, Wim. The ones who did, were dispensible. They had to be. The ones you've listed were more important in maintaining the cover up to this day, and were higher up on the ladder as to the caliber of covert operators needed to orchestrate the future toppling of the more democratically elected regimes not conducive to the U.S.'s empirical emminent domaining of a foreign country's natural resources. Say, as opposed to disposable mercenaries, or contracted mechanics, kind of like the infantry of the elite forces, perhaps might be a better analogy. Clearly the ones you've listed above were considered more valuable in carrying out the long range plans that were in store for the U.S., once Kennedy was liquidated. They were definitely needed to facillitate future executions, like that of Che Guevara's [of which Felix Rodriguez was not a trigger man, BTW], or that of Salvador Allende's, to name a couple.

Uh, Paul....don't flatter yourself. As I found out on another thread, you're really not worth arguing with. When you got called for trying to have Zapruder's testimony both ways, you turned things really ugly. To date, not one Forum member has agreed with your assessment of Weisberg, including people that met him, were helped by him, and spent time with him. Keep on thinking you've got things all figured out. And Paul, the word is compliment. ****************************************************** "Uh, Paul....don't flatter yourself. As I found out on another thread, you're really not worth arguing with." Exactomundo, Mike. I was just getting ready to answer your reply to me at the beginning of this thread, but opted to read on to the second page. Originally, I kind of figured your were interrogating him, but you know me, I just had to throw a roundhouse. But it wasn't intended as an aside to you, at all. It was intended for Rigby, whom I wouldn't reply to if his house was on fire and about to burn to the ground. His deductive reasoning leaves much to be desired.

Here's the link. Sorry I didn't get home sooner to send this. The show aired this evening between 17:30 and 18:30 hours PDT. But, you can hear the interview from the archive by following this link: www.blackopradio.com

do YOU? ***************************************************** "Is there a Forum member that agrees with Paul Rigby that Harold Weisberg was a witting servant of the CIA?" If you've read Weisberg's work, you wouldn't have to ask that question. I believe Rigby may be attempting to interpret Weisberg from a totally different objective. Remember from where, and from what place, in time Weisberg was working. I also don't believe that every person with ties to, or working for, the O.S.S. was necessarily corrupt, either. It was a different time and place after World War II, with the Korean War being only the first in the U.S.'s major follies in Indochina/SEA. So, if you've really read Weisberg, and still have any doubts, maybe you should go over the "Whitewash" series again. Just an afterthought.

Largest response, flinch? An unsuspecting, amateur motion picture camerman? Afraid of heights, wearing glasses, had to be talked into filming the event, by a woman (Sitzman) he doesn't even name in his WC testimony, rounds going off, echos everywhere, then the presidents head exploding... That's IT, a tiny flinch? Did the guy have military experience, was he a marksman, use to hearing rounds fired. Plus, he's crying and or crying out while he continues his filming trek down Elm Street? His response to the gunshots are negligible, hardly a blip.... that B&H414 camera at full zoom, panning left to right would need only 3-4 inches of upward/downward or sideways camera movement off-center for the liomo to disappear from the frame.... Zapruder did better than some pro combat photog's I know. When they saw the Z-film, understood who took it, they were amazed [two of the four don't believe it]. Well! It is somewhat difficult to accept that an individual, who is somewhat balancing on a pedastal to the extent that he requires someone to hold him, can/does thereafter pan a camera across an area which has a downhill slope and in which a vehicle is travelling on this downhill slope, yet the camera is being held and "panned" in such a position as to indicate that the vehicle is actually travelling on an uphill slope, and, during this "panning & filming", hold the camera so completely steady as to maintain the bottom edge of the film exposure in direct and level alignment with the top edge of the car doors. (Z320 through Z330) Not to even mention the other virtually perfect horizontal alignment with the car. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The courts regularly accept as an established fact that anything which appears to occurs, yet is for all known human endeavor physically impossible, as being evidence of some form of human tampering. You are clearly on the right track now David. Tom ************************************************** And thank you, Purv [and David] for getting this thread back on the right track.

************************************************************** "So when it comes to apprehending the concept of such dedicated, relentless psychosis in the very institutions and individuals believed to "serve and protect," the human mind seems to want to shut down, to turn away, to explain away, to run away, and to accept any lie, no matter how egregious, as preferable to the unfaceable truth." That, unfortunately, is one of the greatest challenges facing any resolution of this case, as well as a major stumbling block regarding the collective realization of the obstruction of justice, that's been going on for the last forty years. Like ostriches hiding their heads in the sand, thinking their whole bodies are protected. Take a look at the American educational system, outmoded and still teaching from an industrial revolution mindset. The American intellect has been stunted. How else are the masses expected to react? Yet, how convenient for the establishment elites to be able to exert total control over a populace. What is that old saying? "Keep it simple, stupid!" Yeah, "Keep 'em simple, stupid!" Great thread Bill, Ash, Ron.

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Keep editing 'til you hit zero words, Terry. It's for the best. ********************************************* Jeez, you must be hanging onto my every word, Dinny. How flattering!

Cotton-Tail Ter, You made a ridiculous statment and you got jizzed. You know "exactly" where I'm coming from? Dream on, Bunny Girl. That kind of small thinking is exactly the reason why CTers are held in low esteem by most people. Get hit with a hunch - it's an instant fact - carve it in stone! And your fascistic approach to 'making mincemeat' of people with diverging opinions tells the world you're not terribly secure in your own. You think some "new" people are beligerent? I'd suggest that you go back and read the posts and see who was cruel first, who was mean-spirited first, who was rude first. What you seem unable to understand is that if you strike first, you will be struck back three times. That's why this place can seem unpleasant at times. Yes, there are some people who have nothing but vitriol to offer, and that's too bad. But when you diss a good faith effort to wade past the obvious bullxxxx and get to the real meat, you can't expect not to be called for your behavior. You were snide first for no reason. You don't like the tone around here, then make sure you patrol your own behavior and don't be so quick to be rude. Clyde Award my ass. You don't even realize how much you enjoy being rude, that's the sad part. Love, Mark ********************************************* "But when you diss a good faith effort to wade past the obvious bullxxxx and get to the real meat, you can't expect not to be called for your behavior." Excuse me, but quoting Chip Berlet is not what I consider using "a good faith effort to wade past the obvious bullxxxx." And, if you're looking to get at the "real meat," I suggest Harold Weisberg, Donald Gibson, James Di Eugenio, L. Fletcher Prouty, Dick Russell, Peter Dale Scott, and some lesser known people, to you, such as Lloyd Miller and Carroll Quigley, for starters. Berlet is obviously nothing more than an extreme right-wing syncophant, which is what you're beginning to sound like more and more, each time you post. Too bad someone of your obvious intellect has been led to promote the more superficial stance of the modern day, 21st Century, cut-throat "conservative" agenda of the robber-baron mindset presently infesting both houses of government to the detriment of the majority of Americans, who have absolutely no idea what kind of economic fiasco has been foisted upon them and their future progeny. And, your defense of that John Bircher Whitehouse wannabe page, Slattery, is beyond belief! Why align oneself with someone so beneath one's stature as a communicator? BTW, have you ever seen that movie, "Bullworth?" Slattery reminds me of those two idiots who were assigned to shadow Bullworth's every move. As far as "wading past the obvious bullxxxx," take care you don't end up dropping any more along the way, regardless of however unintentional, in your attempt to traipse through the "obvious." Terry Mauro aka Cruella DeVille Playboy Clubs, International Itinerary: New York New Orleans San Francisco New York 1964 - 1967 FWIW, Wiseass.

Ooh, Terry, brilliant, ya got me. You lasered in on the one salient bit of information that informs my entire world view. Now you can sleep peacefully knowing you figured it all out. I hope you live your life with more due diligence than that. Ya cotton-tailed Clyde. ********************************************* It only goes to show you what kind of company you're into keeping, Mikey. But, that's perfectly O.K. now, isn't it? After all, the more the fascists rear their ugly heads, the more fun it is in making mincemeat out of them. Which, unfortunately, is how it's all become of late, what with the arrival of a few of your more beligerent types. I sure miss the days of Tim Gratz' presence, and dare I say some of his pearls of wisdom, as well? At least he was a gentleman and a scholar, which is more than I can say of you, and your whiz kid pal. "Born 'n' bred in the Briar Patch" sung by Brer Rabbit in "Song of the South" Welcome to The Education Forum, Mr. Valenti. "How cha' do, how cha' do, how cha' do!"

It is an intrinsic human trait - the desire to know. And the more a subject is considered "secret" the more some people become obsessed with it. Dan Brown is astonishingly popular because of that very need. Harvard psychologist Daniel Wegner says that if you ask people not to think about white bears while they talk into a tape recorder, they will make a reference to white bears about once a minute. This is because we, as humans, when trying to keep things secret, become obsessed with that very secret. Also from the Wahington Post article: :"In another experiment exploring the allure of secret relationships, Wegner found that if four strangers sat around a table playing a card game, couples asked to play footsie with each other under the table were more likely to find each other attractive when the other couple did not know what was going on, compared with when they did. And volunteers asked to follow a person around in secret were more likely to find the person attractive compared with volunteers asked to openly keep tabs on someone. Chip Berlet, who studies such theories at Political Research Associates, a think tank in Somerville, Mass. Notions that common people are being kept in the dark about important secrets by a small group of elites are shared by partisans on the left and right. "The U.S. is more prone to conspiracy theories" than other countries, Berlet argued. From the Salem witch trials to tales about the Freemasons, from theories about the Kennedy assassination to the popularity of "The X-Files," America has had a long love affair with conspiracy theories. In part that may be because such theories have a populist, even democratic, tinge to them -- they claim to let everyday folks in on the secrets of the powerful. But Berlet and other scholars said these theories usually do a disservice to the people they purport to side with. "Conspiracy theories explain disturbing events or social phenomena in terms of the actions of specific, powerful individuals," said sociologist Theodore Sasson at Middlebury College in Vermont. By providing simple explanations of distressing events -- the conspiracy theory in the Arab world, for example, that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were planned by the Israeli Mossad -- they deflect responsibility or keep people from acknowledging that tragic events sometimes happen inexplicably. And for all their populist flavor, conspiracy theories usually end up attributing more power to elites than they actually have, said William Domhoff, a sociologist at the University of California at Santa Cruz who studies power and social change. Because nothing ever happens by accident in the world of conspiracy theories, believers wind up assuming that the hidden hand of the puppeteer is everywhere. When every event is assumed to be caused by powerful manipulators, people end up feeling "there is nothing we can do about it," Domhoff said. "They attribute too much understanding to these people, too much cleverness." But like the Wizard of Oz, the seemingly all-powerful often turn out to be not that powerful. A sad fact of history, Domhoff added, is that those in power are regularly "incompetent and shortsighted." I tend to agree with this theme on the whole. LHO obviously had nefarious connections to individuals or groups with an axe to grind. Clearly there was a dictionary-definable conspiracy. But there's a line that the Paranoid Postulaters cross - repeatedly - with no regard for the damage they do to the serious researchers who've nobly stood up against the Powers That Be for decades. When they're proven wrong, they rarely if ever acknowledge it. They just keep coming up with more half-baked theories. And their acolytes are just as bad. They parrot, they echo, they cheerlead and keep the fires burning. It's an inbred, unhealthy circle. Dick Russell, Mary Ferrel, Waldron, North - and many more - they are heroes. When they are lumped into the CT category along with the deluded, all research suffers. That is why I try to draw a clear distinction. MV ********************************************** "Chip Berlet, who studies such theories at Political Research Associates, a think tank in Somerville, Mass." You needn't go any further, Valenti. We know exactly where you're coming from, now.

************************************************** Here's your CLYDE AWARD for the week, Dinny.

******************************************************** Apparently John Hull's Costa Rican plantation's landing field may have been used as one of Operation Watchtower's ports of entry into the U.S. for illegal cocaine shipments. Here's a link courtesy of my friend, Dixie Dea. BTW, the people of Costa Rica used to refer to him as, "Senator John Hull." He, at one time, had been considered a highly respected eschelon of the United States. FWIW ***I'm not sure if the link can be opened so I took the liberty of opening it up myself for you below: Dixie Dea Tue Jan-20-04 07:54 AM Member since May 30th 2002 46 posts #29263, "RE: No Name Key mercenaries linked to JFK assassination" In response to Reply # 69 CHRONOLOGY OF JOHN HULL'S ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES ***http://www.williambowles.info/ini/hull-chron.html Dixie CHRONOLOGY OF JOHN HULL'S ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES June 7, 1991 1982-1986 John Hull's ranch in Northern Costa Rica serves as the main supply base for the contras on the Southern Front of Nicaragua. [Newsday, 5/10/87] October 1984 Hull receives $10,000 a month from the Reagan-Bush Administration's National Security Council… September 1984 and deposits the money into a Miami bank account. [senate Foreign Relations subcommittee report, "Private Assistance' and the Contras: A Staff Report." 10/14/86] [Common Cause, Sept/Oct. 1985] [Covert Action Bulletin, Winter 86] [New York Daily News, 1/8/87] 1984 Hull takes out a $375,000 loan from the Overseas Private Investment Corporation for a supposed manufacturing project. Hull deposits the money into his private account in Indiana and the project is never started. He later defaults on the loan. [senate Foreign Relations narcotics and terrorism subcommittee: ``Drugs, Law Enforcement, and Foreign Policy,'' a report on investigation of contra drug trafficking, April 1989] April 9, 1984 Plane piloted by a Nicaraguan crashes while taking off from the airstrip on Hull's ranch, purportedly because it was overloaded with military supplies. [Tico Times, 9/28/84] April 25, 1984 Hull's ranch is raided and he is detained by security officers investigating allegations of Southern Front contra activities in Costa Rica. [Tico Times 4/27/84] April 1984 Pastora is given a 30-day deadline to unify his forces with the F.D.N. in the North. [Out of Control, Leslie Cockburn] May 30, 1984 A bomb explodes in La Penca, Nicaragua, killing three journalists--including U.S. citizen Linda Frazier--and injuring many others. The bomb's apparent target, moderate contra leader Eden Pastora, is injured but survives. One of the reporters wounded in the bombing is ABC cameraman Tony Avirgan. [Convergence, Spring 1987] May 30, 1984 Hull, Robert Owen, C.I.A. station chief Phil Holtz and several pilots meet in a C.I.A. safe house in San Jose, Costa Rica. After news of the explosion, Hull phones his associates to instruct that his private plane not be used to help the wounded. [Costa Rican Special Prosecutor's Report, Dec. 1989] June 22, 1984 Hull obtains Costa Rican citizenship, which he later claims was at the C.I.A.'s request. [Tico Times, 3/23/90] October 1984 Costa Rican Government initiates investigation of Hull after he admits on radio that he aided the contras. [Tico Times, 10/26/84] December 1984 According to mercenary Jack Terrell, Hull, Robert Owen, Felipe Vidal and the alleged bomber Amac Galil meet and discuss the continuing need to kill Pastora. [New York Times, 3/1/90] July 18, 1985 David, an eyewitness source for Avirgan and Honey's La Penca investigation, is kidnapped and later allegedly murdered on Hull's ranch. [Convergence Magazine, Spring 1988] October 1985 At a San Jose, Costa Rica press conference, Tony Avirgan (who was injured in the bombing) and Martha Honey present the findings from their investigation of the La Penca bombing, identifying Hull as one of the bombing's planners. [La Penca: Report of an Investigation, Tony Avirgan and Martha Honey, 1985] Days after Avirgan and Honey's report is published, Hull files suit against the journalists, charging them with ``injuries, falsehood and defamation of character'' because of their allegations of his role in the bombing [La Penca: On Trial in Costa Rica, Edited by Avirgan and Honey, 1987] April 1986 A CBS "West 57th Street" broadcast airs, in which former contra resupply pilots identify Hull's ranch as major transhipment point for military supplies and drugs, but Hull denies any role in the contra resupply network. May 22-23, 1986 Trial against Avirgan and Honey takes place, resulting in a victory for the two journalists after documents and witnesses confirm their findings. The judge throws Hull's lawsuit out of court. [La Penca: On Trial in Costa Rica, edited by Avirgan and Honey, 1987] May 1986 Christic Institute attorneys file the La Penca lawsuit (Avirgan v. Hull) on behalf of Avirgan and Honey, naming Hull and 28 others as major figures in a racketeering network involved in drug trafficking, arms smuggling. The same ring engineered the La Penca bombing, the suit alleges. [Convergence, Spring 1987] May 5, 1988 Costa Rican police announce an investigation into charges of Hull's involvement in arms and drug trafficking. May 1988 Christic Institute takes Hull's deposition for the La Penca lawsuit. He refuses to cooperate in the proceedings. June 1988 Federal Judge James L. King dismisses La Penca lawsuit in Miami two days before the trial is scheduled to begin, arguing that there is no evidence linking Hull and others to the bombing. The Christic Institute immediately announces it will appeal. January 1989 Costa Rican authorities arrest Hull on charges of drug trafficking and using Costa Rican territory for ``hostile acts'' against NIcaragua. [Tico Times, 3/23/90] April 1989 Sen. John Kerry's Foreign Relations narcotics and terrorism subcommittee releases a 1,200-page report, ``Drugs, Law Enforcement, and Foreign Policy,'' including testimony that Hull's ranch was used for gun- and drug-smuggling operations. One eyewitness tell the subcommittee that Hull supervised the transfer of drugs into a plane before its return journey to the United States. May 26, 1989 John Hull fails to appear to testify before the Costa Rican Legislative Assembly's Special Commission Investigating Narcotics. Hull later appears before the commission but refuses to be sworn in to testify. July 1989 Costa Rican Legislative Assembly concludes in an official report that Hull was trafficking drugs through the country on behalf of the contras. [The Guardian, 8/30/89] July 1989 Hull flees Costa Rica while waiting trial, jumping a $37,000 bail posted by friends. Several reports confirm that D.E.A. agent Juan Perez arranged his secret flight out of the country. [Convergence, Winter 1991] [Tico Times, 12/7/90] September 1989 Based on the Costa Rican Legislative Assembly report on drug trafficking, Oliver North, Richard Secord, former U.S. Ambassador Lewis Tambs and former National Security Adviser John Poindexter are all declared personae non gratae and banned from Costa Rica by the country's government. Secord is a defendant in Avirgan v. Hull. [The Guardian, 8/30/89] March 1990 Hull is indicted for murder in Costa Rica on charges that he masterminded the La Penca bombing. [Convergence, Spring 1990] May 1990 ABC Primetime Live airs Diane Sawyer's interview with Carlos Lehder, a key figure in the Medellin cocaine cartel. Lehder names Hull as a major cocaine trafficker and says Hull smuggled 30 tons of cocaine into the United States yearly. June 1990 Hull's name added to Interpol's "most wanted" list of international fugitives at the request of Costa Rican special prosecutor Jorge Chaverria. [Convergence, Fall 1990] November 1990 Costa Rican Legislative Assembly establishes four-member La Penca investigative committee with representatives from all political parties. November 1990 Hull slips into Nicaragua on a 72-hour visa and soon disappears. [Los Angeles Times 12/7/90] [uPI 12/11/90] December 1990 Investigators track Hull to a remote town in Southern Nicaragua--Juigalpa--which is the seat of an extreme right-wing movement against the conservative government of Violetta Chamorro. Hull is reported to be looking into investments to help contra veterans. [Tico Times, 12/7/90] December 7, 1990 Costa Rica officially asks Nicaragua to extradite Hull. December 11, 1990 Nicaraguan Supreme Court orders the arrest of Hull, although Presidential Minister Antonio Lacayo denies any knowledge of the case and says Hull was not facing criminal charges in Nicaragua. [uPI 12/12/90] Hull quietly leaves Nicaragua and returns to the United States. April 19, 1991 The Costa Rican Ambassador submits a formal request to the U.S. State Department to extradite Hull.