Linda Giovanna Zambanini

Carolyn Arnold was a bit tricky to find in the group since in most stills of the Truly group she seems to be to the right - just out of frame - in the Wiegman film; and in the frames where she can be found she is only poorly seen due to the film quality and there's a short woman with a scarf on standing right in front of her facing sideways; but she is the 2nd woman to the right of Virgie Baker. In some Wiegman stills she seems to be turned far to her left (looking behind and to the left of the group) with her right arm up in the air either waving to someone or motioning to someone to come join the group. First, having found current photos of her online, I found her in the clear Cook/Cooper stills (And wowza!.. she's an incredibly youthful 72 yr-old! I have to say she's more gorgeous now at 72 than she was when she was 20!) . Then keeping in mind from that what she looked like, and how she was dressed on 11/22/63, I went looking for her in the Truly lineup. Here she is in Cook-Cooper - one is a frontal view and the other a side view. Keep in mind she was pregnant at the time (remember she said she went in the lunchroom for water which she said she craved due to her pregnancy). We can see her dress is rather tight and especially in the side view we can see she's that she is pregnant. (She delivered her baby, a girl, near the end of December '63). She's also wearing rather flat sensible pumps - a good idea when you're pregnant.: And here she is, I believe, in the Truly Grouping - 2 down from Virgie Baker (3 down if you count Jeraldean Reid's disembodied head ). Her bangs are off her forehead in this shot, I believe because it's windy (you can see Virgie Rachley's coat is blowing open, for example). She has her hand/forearm in the same sort of position she had in Cook-Cooper. And you can't see it in this still, but immediately to her left (just out of frame in this still) is the same "unknown" young lady who is standing next to her in Cook-Cooper, in the "gray" jumper and white blouse. They seem to be hanging out together. Makes me wonder who she is? Judy Johnson? Bonnie Richie? Betty Dragoo? By process of elimination she probably must be one of them.: Continued again for the same reason... Grrrrr... this having to break up my post is so irritating! .... (EDITED 9/24/15 to add back a link to the last graphic, which i had accidentally deleted on Imgur and that delinked it... please let me know if you find any delinked images of mine so i can fix them - still getting the hang of imgur!)

Hi Tommy et al, Love the photos - the transparent overlay of Wiegman's "Truly grouping" on the modern day TSBD and the colorized version of the Wiegman's Truly group compared to the same group in Bell, really helps to show well where they were standing. I've been off doing some further work identifying members of the Truly grouping and believe I have found both Virgie Baker (nee Rackley) and have ID'd and found Carolyn Arnold as well! First, Virgie Rackley Baker - she is the lady in the tan coat in this colorized version (or the 4th woman to the right of "cowboy hat man" in the B&W version. Knowing she was somewhere in that group, I located her in the group by pulling up another photo of her (I believe it's actually a still from a film) I had saved from long ago. It was taken of her on the 1st floor of the TSBD on 11/22/64 as a local network reporter was interviewing her. I didn't personally ID her in that still - someone else did, I just remember reading at the time that it was her (i've always had a special fascination with her and her "missed shot" testimony). Here's the photo - it has the 1st floor phone circled on it since I used it once to demonstrate where the phone was located. NB: her coat has huge, dark decorative buttons, and a big collar with rounded points; and she's wearing a white shirt underneath. Note also her hair style and color: Continued....(it's saying I'm posting "too many images" so I have to break up my post)....

It does look a bit like Cooper. I asked about this film in the PM thread and received this. I would think it might be available to view on request if you happen to find yourself in that particular sanctuary of research. Cheers mate. Clive, Thanks for relaying the fact that Gary Mack verified to you that that the Truly / Baker / "Cooper" frame is from a Tom Alyea film taken inside the TSBD on 11/22/63. --Tommy I agree that the pow-wow above in the TSBD was taken on 11/22/63. I don't always trust what Gary Mack had to say, but I do agree what he said in this case. As confirmation that he was correct I would point out a couple things. In the above pow-wow photo we see Baker is pointing and we can see he has on a long-sleeved uniform shirt; whereas if one looks at both the May 23-24, 1964 Reenactment film or the late July visit by WC members, all the uniform cops are wearing short sleeved-shirts - it must've been hot. And in the late-July visit to DP by WC members Dulles, Sherman, Spector, Belin etc... at one point they go behind the stockade fence and we see Baker with them for a second or two and he also has on short-sleeved uniform shirt that day. Also, while the guy in the pow-wow does sl. resemble Sherman, Sherman had a much "heavier" features with a much bigger nose and sort of a "flattened" look to his face. Here's a good side-view of Sherman from the July visit, and another. It's definitely not him in the "pow-wow" photo. Plus we can see the hat the "Sherman" look-alike is wearing in the pow-wow is black - just like Truly's hat; whereas in the WC visits he is either hatless (as in the side-view above) or he has on a hat that looks to be a lighter color of grey than its black hatband.

Pauline Sanders, in her 11/24 FBI Report, reported seeing Baker enter the bldg w/in 10 seconds of the shots. She was up on the east side of the landing: "She said within a matter of 10 seconds a uniform police officer in a white helmet ran into the building but she did not observe him any further and could not state where he went in the building." And interestingly, she goes on to say the next person she saw go in after Baker, was not Truly but O.V. Campbell!: "Mrs. Sanders advised that Mr. Campbell, Office Manager, arrived shortly after the police officer entered the building, and she told him she believed the blasts came from the upper part of the bldg, however, he insisted the shots came from the embankment. She advised that she did not pursue the matter any further and she entered the bldg within 5 minutes of the blast. She said she did not observe Oswald in the lobby but the lobby was crowded with people at this time." I remember making the observation in this thread a couple of weeks ago, that in Darnell, Campbell (the big guy) pivots and begins heading toward the steps before Truly does, and that it appears he may have even beat Truly up the steps behind Baker - had Darnell only filmed a bit longer, we would know for sure. Recall that Campbell had a number of changing accounts about what he did, whom he saw, and where he went after the shots - and it was said by reporters that the only person who was more difficult to pin down for an interview than Buell Frazier was O.V. Campbell. If Campbell DID go in first - before Truly, as Stanton seems to imply - then he would have definitely seen PM/LHO either in his "corner" by the door, or right inside the lobby - likely giving Baker directions. His being Johnny-on-the-spot and witnessing PM there could make for a very uncomfortable situation for Campbell, and could help account for his rapidly changing stories - changes he made to help distance himself from his early NY Herald Trib and DMN news accounts that he had seen Oswald in the 1st flr lobby storage closet AFTER the shots OR... as recounted in a correspondence, which I posted a couple of wks ago, between "S" and Harold Weisberg, that 1 of 2 noted journalists (he/she couldn't remember which one) SWORE to "S" that Campbell had seen LHO in the lobby storage closet just BEFORE the motorcade - NOT after! That account makes much more sense to me. Furthermore, it would vindicate Oswald entirely as a shooter - not "incriminate" him as suspiciously "hiding" after the fact, upon his exit). Here is the snip from that correspondence again: The wisdom of 50 years ago! Bingo!: "The story has reintrigued me based on Mrs. Arnold's deposition..." Even those early news accounts, which to us, now seem to vindicate LHO, could have been seen early on as a way to incriminate him (as "hiding" suspiciously in the closet)....Remember, early on neither these guys, nor the public, nor early JFK researchers, had any idea that Darnell had captured the Baker sprint toward the front steps just seconds after the shots! They were operating in a different "time frame" than we are. So a story that LHO was seen in the lobby storage closet could have been used - in their eyes, at that early point in time - to incriminate him. So the story goes, he was stopped there by Baker - who even drew his gun on him (read: as he "fled" the bldg. and tried to "hide" in the closet on his way out the door!) - until Truly stepped in to say he was just an "employee". The whole "story" about pulling a gun on a guy in the lobby storage closet by the front door immediately after the shots never rang true for me. I know Baker was considered to be pretty slow by fellow DPD officers, but really, how stupid would he have to be to think the shooter could be hiding by the front door?! No, I don't buy it. That narrative is a lie, just like the 2nd floor lunchroom, gun-in-stomach, story! They just moved the whole silly "gun-in-stomach" encounter up to the 2nd floor as it became increasingly apparent to the perps that they had to move LHO back closer to the 6th floor to be believed! We have to remember to put ourselves in the mindset of someone knowing nothing on Nov 22, 1963 (or very shortly thereafter). Edit 12:46pm EST: I've just been notified by a friend at ROKC that "S", referred to in the correspondence, was Shirley Martin.

I totally agree with you, Vanessa! It's just a little more than coincidental that we find that pop bottle and some sort of napkin or wrapper there on the steps where PM /LHO was standing! What appeared to me at first to be crinkled napkin around the bottle, i suddenly realized had the look, not of an opaque white napkin, but of the grayish semi-transparent look of crinkled waxed paper with it's charactestic white lines where the crinkles are! Low and behold one of the items confiscated from Beckley i think it was, was some brand of waxed paper - apparently this was pre-Saran wrap days and he usually wrapped his sandwhich in waxed paper. So I'm convinced that's his lunchtime garbage that he had to leave there when all hell broke loose. Just a reminder from someone born in '56, of what crumpled waxed paper looks like - I've actually met some young people who don't know what waxed paper is or what it looks like!

The huge, brilliant white light from TLR camera #2 would be produced by something with a much larger diameter and more powerful lens than Oswald's toy-like IR 620. Also note that TLR #2 is black and has a definite white or chrome decorative strip or nameplate across the base of its faceplate. In my research looking for a large TLR with just such a decorative strip, I came across the Mamiyaflex with 180mm lens. It looks like if anything could create such a huge, intense light - this baby could probably do the job! And all the Mamiyaflexes I've seen are black with this characteristic chrome decorative strip across the bottom of the faceplate - some also have "Professional" written on the strip. This is not to say it is definitely this particular camera - but it, or something similar, could fit the bill. And if it's Joe Molina with the camera, who i think from his location and hair, it is, having been an accountant for the TSBD for 16 years, he would probably have the resources to buy such an expensive toy - unlike LHO

Thank you, Tommy! Exactly right - thank you for pointing out that it doesn't' matter that PM is standing in the shade! Indeed, it matters not that PM is standing in the shade - what matters is his camera - and the 45 degree mirror behind the top "reflex lens" - is pointing TOWARD a light source. He has no light source behind him or above him but he has light in front of him! The southern noon-day sun light! If he didn't he wouldn't be able to take photos. This is well-demonstrated in the numerous photos of Vivian Maier and her Rolleiflex, which I have uploaded at ROKC - demonstrating this very effect. When she is taking a selfie in a dark room and only has background light behind her, but is shooting toward a mirror in an otherwise dark room - we see the top "reflex lens" is almost black - one has to pay particular attention to see that the top reflex lens has a very, very, VERY faint grayish tinge to the lens - whereas the bottom "taking lens" remains completely black (as it always does). But if she is shooting toward any light source one will see the white light from the top reflex lens. On cloudy days - or as the camera is angled from the viewer's view - the light will look dimmer. But if it's very sunny day or she's in a room brightly lit with artificial light (and if she has the camera angled toward us) - the effect is a brilliant round white light being emitted from the reflex lens! Here's Vivian's selfie I referred to which she took in a dark room with only background light: Example of the phenomenon with the Imperial Reflex 620: Buell Frazier won't even admit to ONE camera on the steps - let alone 2!! So, it's no wonder all this repeated questioning of him about cameras and that mysterious guy to the right of him in the dark corner, by both Gary Mack and Gayle Nix Jackson, have made him break out in nervous ticks and grammar melt-downs! Buell has a lotta 'splainin to do' - as does Molina and anyone else around the steps who is still alive! But, indeed, there were at least 2 TLR cameras on the steps that day! We can see PM's small TLR reflex light and also a HUGE brilliant white reflex light from another larger, much more sophisticated TLR. We can see BOTH of them in the Towner and Martin Films (in Towner PM's smaller reflex light is intermittent.) Here's Martin: Here's a great animated gif from Robin Unger's gallery of that Martin clip that especially captures the big reflex light http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=6312&fullsize=1 And here's the 2 of them seen in the Towner Film: Here's the link for the album of PM photos i created at Imgur - but there are many more in my album at ROKC that goes with my essay/thread there. I just created this Imjur album because it was the only way i could get my photos to "appear" here when i posted links to them. http://imgur.com/a/TjftX#0 ADDENDUM / EDIT: I just noticed that though it appears in the Martin still, as if the smaller white light above which you can see the dark top of someone's head, which appears to be someone with a small TLR (like PM) is NOT! If you look at the animated gif - which I just did again - one can see that what appears to be a stationary bright white light is a waving, moving hand. So in Martin we only see the one large TLR camera. Now in Towner you see the big TLR all the time, and PM's much smaller TLR, only rarely and intermittently. And one other thing, Tommy, speaking of Vivian Maier's selfies - she is known as "The Queen of the Selfies". Thank you Vivian! Without your inspiration we would not be discussing this right now!

He and his first wife divorced (Josephine Zillah Moore Sooy) - from what i can ascertain from newspaper stories sometime after '62, he remarried Lt Cmdr Nadine Niehouse (Evelyn Nadine Niehouse) in it seems from this clipping August '63 - but it's worded a a little confusingly. She goes by "Evelyn Niehouse Sooy" or "Evelyn Nadine Sooy" and I believe she's still alive, though very elderly, and living in California. She was the first female Cmdr. of the Dallas Naval Air Station. (EDIT 9-21-15 - I just reread this. As i said above this clipping is worded in a very confusing manner. She was NOT the first female Cmdr of the Dallas NAS! She was the Cmdr of the "WAVES Reserve Training Unit in Dallas". This may or may not have been at the Dallas NAS - that's not clear either. At any rate - she was not commanding everyone at the Dallas NAS - just the WAVEs Reserves. Sorry for any confusion. At any rate, she did have an important Naval commanding post in Dallas, but not over the men). s Ok that's it for today! I need to sleep- I'm just exhausted! Addendum: The Naval Air Station Dallas (or Hensley Field) is now called The Grand Prairie Armed Forces Reserve Complex.

Here's a comparison i made of Sooy and the QM-Man:

This is the only other photo i have of Sooy - I have other photos/gifs in my Sooy/Krystinik imjur album, but they aren't photos of Sooy and Krystinik, but documents - like his obit - newspaper clippings, the photo of the coup and this graphic i made above for example. Here's the comparison i made using the other photo of Sooy i have (credit to James Richards!) - it's from the "late 50's" i remember hearing - I've compared him to numerous screen captures i took of the man in the DCA Film. I found in his military records that he retired in July 1960 - so the photo can't be any newer than that. He was probably at least 4 or 5 years older by 1963. (NB: his glasses are causing the a reflection/refraction of light on and magnification of his face - so it looks like he has lumpy pale cheeks - its just an optical illusion - his glasses are rimless or almost rimless and have slid down his nose. (and N.B. Sooy has big ears and so does DCA Man.

As I said earlier, sorry I haven't posted on this thread sooner, but I've been busy, busy, busy researching Sooy, making a list of the locations and statements of the new Truly grouping Tommy found in Weigman etc...it all takes time and I've hardly slept lately... so my apologies for not posting sooner! To update everyone... Tommy and I have had some lengthy back and forth in the abovementioned "Truly" thread over whether DCA-Man and QM-Man are the same guy. AND over whether they are the same man as the man standing on the curb directly below the stoplight on the little Island separating the Elm Ext from Elm - the man who many have long thought was Truly. In that thread Tommy originally posited (brilliantly!) and we eventually resolved that that man - long posited by most everyone to be Roy Truly - is NOT Roy Truly. But that the Real Trio of Roy Truly, OV Campbell and Jeraldean Reid (and several other female co-workers grouped around and in front of them - Carolyn Arnold, Bonnie Richey, Judy Johnson, Betty Dragoo and Virgie Baker), are seen at the very extreme right in the Wiegman film as it fleetingly captures the TSBD doorway. Tommy coined the terms "Truly#1" for the guy who we have now proven is NOT the real Roy Truly; and "Truly#2" for the Truly he just discovered who is in front of, and a little East of, the TSBD steps - out by Elm Street. We have proven "Truly#2" is the REAL Truly. Truly#1 is now the conundrum. And since DCA-Man and QM-Man are dressed similarly to Truly#1 - the one proven to NOT be Roy Truly - we have had long discussions about this. I was convinced based upon clear Wiegman stills of Truly #1 that were from Jack White slides that Robin Unger posted in an unrelated thread, that that man was not really Truly. And furthermore that he cannot be DCA-Man or QM-Man or Sooy - since he appears to have a chubby face and cheeks, a round, puggish nose and big sun glasses. Tommy however, thought they all looked similar enough to the same guy, and thought his face only appeared that way because he was smiling. So, while we both agreed that his Truly#2 was the REAL Truly - and Truly#1 was not..we continued to disagree on this other identification. Well, yesterday I found photographic and physical proof that QM-Man cannot be Truly #1 standing on the island under the stoplight. In Wiegman we see Truly #1 is standing with his feet planted firmly on the curb of the island under the stoplight - and in the clear Jack White version one can even see his left foot is even slightly overhanging the edge of the curb on Elm. Prior to yesterday, I had been looking at a closeup of QM Man I had cropped from Altgens 6 months ago - because I thought he resembled Sooy. But, yesterday I looked at him in the context of the full uncropped Altgens 6 and a lightbulb went off! I found proof he cannot be Truly#1. How? In Altgens 6 we can see a bit of Elm Street and the curb of the traffic island just behind the Queen Mary. We can also see the stoplight and street signs there on the island. We can't see Truly#1 because, I'm guessing, he is short and obscured by the Queen Mary but we can see a bit of the curb he is standing on and the stoplight and pole rising up above the QM. We know that is exactly where Truly#1 is standing because we have proof of it in the the Wiegman film. Not only are his feet firmly planted right on the curb - the tip of his left show is even overhanging the curb on Elm. But in the uncropped version of Altgens6 we can also see that QM-Man is no where near that curb or that stoplight! He is seen far away to the left of the stoplight (ie north toward the TSBD) and in the distance. So he can't possibly be Truly#1. So, no matter who they are - they are 2 distinct individuals (see attached graphic i made - it's very wide so you may have to scroll accordingly). QM-Man could be standing on the opposite side of the island; OR standing in the Elm Extension. But I posit due to the severe foreshortening weirdness that Altgens' lens causes that QM-Man could be much farther in the distance (east that is) from the island. And since i can't find him anywhere in Wiegman, he might even be out of frame, that is, beyond the "Real Truly" grouping seen on the very extreme right of Wiegman. This is also why i said if the coup (parked on/in Houston Street, by the SE corner of the TSBD near the DPD motorcycles) was his car, since it had people standing across Houston in front of it - then it might make sense that he got out of it and was standing nearby to view the motorcade, to the right of the TSBD doorway somewhere - east of the REAL Truly grouping. Edit (9-21-15) - I just noticed my photo above was gone on here. I had accidently deleted the file on Imgur then rearranging photos; then when i re-uploaded it, the file had a new URL - which made it disappear here! I didn't think about that at the time. (I'm still getting the hang of that photo hosting site. It's low on ads which plague and slow viewing of photos on Photobucket for viewers, but, on the other hand is not very user friendly for the photo uploader to use! If anyone notices that any of my other photos on EF have disappeared and been replaced by the little black "Imgur" box stating that the photo is no longer found - please alert me to it so i can repost it! )

I totally agree, Tommy! This coup is one of the my candidates for his car! I have a clearer view of it looking from east to west which i'll post - I think it's from the Cook/Cooper film. He also could have parked on the Elm Ext. also where we see several car's parked. He'd probably have a clearer view there since it's up a small rise above the crowd so he could see the street if he did stay in his car. If he parked here he would definitely have had to get out because of the crowd of people in front of him blocking Houston and his view. I never bought the idea that he would stay in his car anyway. So this could definitely still be a prime candidate! It might also help explain why we see a guy that looks a lot like Sooy down in this general area slightly NORTH of & EAST of the traffic island and stoplight in Altgens6 -- where we see his head and hat just above the windshield and driver's visor of the Queen Mary in Altgens6. I call him the Queen Mary Man or "QM-Man" for short. To me he looks very similar, but not identical to, the guy I'm convinced is Sooy in the DCA Film at 6:15 that you posted above. (Btw... there are several versions online of the DCA Film edited to varying lengths. So he won't always be found at 6:15) QM-Man may or may not be the same guy - but I haven't ruled out the idea that he is the same guy and that they are both Sooy. QM-Man has the same basic features but what appears to be a fuller face - but I posit this could be due to the differences in lighting - with the DCA-Man facing directly into the southern sun. I originally posted about both of them over it in the other thread where this discussion started Where was Roy Truly Right after the last Shot was Fired? And thanks for starting this tread, Tommy! Sorry I've been so busy researching and posting that I just haven't gotten around to posting here till now.

Tommy... You said a page or so ago that you needed to go back and read the testimony/affidavits etc... of the ladies that were standing with Truly and Campbell and see what they said and if it added up. I thought that was essential too, so over the last day or so I sat down and went thru all their statements and testimonies and wrote them up one by one. I spent a lot of time reading and typing it up so I recommend anyone who's interested to copy and paste it to a word file for safe keeping and handy reference. They do all basically corroborate each other, except for Judy Johnson mentioned 2 ladies, Jeannie Holt & Stella Jacob, that no one else mentions being in the Truly grouping. Conversely, those two don't mention being in the Truly grouping. It appears what happened was Judy Johnson DID go out front with those two and joined the Truly grouping. But apparently those 2 later wandered off to join up with their friend Ms Simmons, and Judy didn't notice their exit. There was a long sting of people there - and there was certainly plenty of excitement to distract a person. I hope you accept this little labor of love as my apology for confusing you by switching Truly#1 and Truly#2 around in my previous post!! -- Linda Judy Johnson WHERE: "On November 22, 1963 I left my office, Room 200, Texas School Book Depository Building, about 12 :15pm to go outside the building to watch the President's Motorcade pass which was to pass along Elm Street in front of the building. I was with Miss Jeannie Holt*, 2521 Pleasant Drive, Dallas, Texas, and Miss Stella Jacob*, 508 South Marsalis St., Dallas, Texas both employees of the Texas School Book Depository. We walked to the southwest corner of Elm and Houston Streets and were joined by Mrs. Bonnie Richey, 220 South Marsalis, Apt . 117, Dallas, Texas, Mrs. Carolyn Arnold, 3325 South Tyler St., Dallas, Texas and Mrs. Betty Dragoo, 2507 West Brooklyn St., Dallas, Texas. I was standing at this point on the sidewalk near the edge of Elm Street at the time President John F. Kennedy was shot. (NB: the "SW" corner of Elm & Houston is near the reflecting pool. She is the only one of her group to say they were at the "SW corner" of Elm. Was she confused about the directions? Did she mean the NW corner - near the TSBD - rather than the SW corner? *And as I mentioned above, Johnson is the only one in this group who mentions Holt and Jacob being with them out by Elm in front of the TSBD. But Holt and Jacob and their friend corroborate each other's statements about being together, and not with the Truly group.) WHOM WITH: Jeannie Holt* (aka: Gloria Jean Holt) Stella Jacob* Bonnie Richey Carolyn Arnold Betty Dragoo WHERE did she go after the shots: "I returned the bldg. but was unable to get inside as the front door of the bldg was locked." HOW MANY statements did she make: Only 1 - March 23th 1964 FBI statement _______________________________________ Bonnie Richey WHERE: "I was standing in the roadway directly south of the TSBD bldg" WHOM with: O.V. Campbell Carolyn Arnold Virgie Baker Betty Dragoo Judy Johnson WHERE did she go after the shots: It doesn't say when she returned to the TSBD, but only that she left the TSBD at about 12:15 and did not return on that date. HOW MANY statements did she make: Only 1 - March 18th 1964 FBI statement _______________________________________ Carolyn Arnold WHERE: "I was standing in front of the TSBD." WHOM with: O.V. Campbell Bonnie Richey Betty Dragoo Virgie Baker (nee Rackley) Judy Johnson WHERE did she go after the shots: "I left the TSBD at about 12:25 PM, Nov. 22, 1963, and never returned to this building on that date." HOW MANY statements did she make: Only 1 - March 18th 1964 FBI statement _______________________________________ Jeraldean Reid WHERE: 11/23 DPD Affidavit "I was standing on the front steps of the bldg. As the parade drew drew near I walked closer to the street." 11/26 FBI Report "...from a position in front of the of the TSBD bldg..." 3/18 FBI Statement "I was standing in front of the TSBD bldg..." 3/25 WC Testimony Mrs. Reid. I went out the front door of our bldg...I stood on the steps for several minutes....Until i saw the parade coming around the corner of Main & Houston and when I did I walked out to the street so i would be nearer to the people, and i walked out and was standing by Mr. Truly and Mr. Campbell. Mr. Belin. "All right. This was in front of the steps, ma'am?" Mrs. Reid. Well, no; I had gone out directly in front but i had gotten nearer to the street than the steps. Mr. Belin. You were actually onto the street then as the motorcade came by? Mrs. Reid. Yes; that is right. [she then describes the layout of Elm St vs the Elm Extension and she continued...] I got right on the curb and was standing there. [belin then points to a diagram of the area and where he thought she was standing and asks...] Mr. Belin. ...Can you give any estimate as to where you were in relation to this, well, i will call it a peninsula of land between the parkway and the bldg. Mrs. Reid. I was standing about along in here. In here. [belin then points to the spot she referred to and asks...] Mrs. Reid. I was standing about along in here. [belin then points out the spot on the diagram he thinks she's describing and she agrees with him stating...] Mrs. Reid. That is right. Mr. Belin. And you would be directly i front of the main entrance of the TSBD, is that correct? Mrs. Reid. That is correct. WHOM with: O.V. Campbell ("...who was standing nearby...") Roy Truly Bonnie Richey Betty Dragoo Virgie Baker (nee Rackley) Judy Johnson WHERE did she go after the shots: 11/23 DPD Affidavit "I went back into our bldg and up to the 2nd floor to our office...[she then goes into the LHO with the Coke story]" 11/26 FBI report "At the conclusion of the shots [and looking up and seeing some "Negro boys" in a TSBD window]...Thereupon she proceeded back to her office on the 2nd floor of the bldg...[she then recounted her LHO with the Coke story.]" 3/18 FBI statement "I left the TSBD bldg on the afternoon of 11/22/63 between 2:00pm and 2:30pm." [she doesn't mention what she did right after the shots.] 3/25 WC Testimony After immediately remarking to Mr. Campbell about the shots, and reporting she immediately looked up at the TSBD and saw the "three colored boys" in the window, her testimony continued... Mrs. Reid. "I turned and went back in the bldg." Then after being asked several more questions by Belin about comments Campbell had made about where the shots came from, and about the confusion she saw going on around her and if she had noticed the crowd doing anything else, she continued.... Mrs. Reid. No; because I ran into the bldg. I do not recall seeing anyone in the lobby [!], I ran up to our office." At this juncture Dulles butts in to Belin's questioning, and asks Reid "Now, just a minute. How long after the third shot did you run into the bldg?" And Belin immediately "reminds" Dulles the WC had done a "reconstruction on that time sequence" which Belin was going to go into as soon as Reid finished her thoughts about her route into the bldg and up to her office. Belin continues to question her about her route and she reports she went into the lobby and then took the stairs up to her office on the 2nd floor, at which point she goes into her story about encountering LHO with the Coke. HOW MANY statements did she make: Four: DPD Affiavit 11/23, FBI Report 11/26, FBI Statement 3/18/64, WC Testimony 3/25/64 __________________________________ Betty Dragoo WHERE: "I left my office...and walked to the front entrance of the bldg about 12:20pm...I was with [she mentions the names and addresses of the 4 women below]." and "I walked just across the street in front of the building entrance." WHOM WITH: Bonnie Richey Carolyn Arnold Virgie Baker (nee Rackley) Judy Johnson WHERE did she go after the shots: "After Pres. Kennedy had been shot, i stayed outside the bldg and when i tried to get back inside the door was locked...I left the area about 2:30pm and went home." HOW MANY statements did she make: Only 1 - March 20th 1964 FBI statement __________________________________ Virgie Baker (nee Rackley) WHERE: 11/24 FBI Statement "At about 12:15pm on 11/22/63 she left her office and went out the south door of the TSBD bldg to watch the Presidential motorcade pass. She was standing across the street immediately in front of this bldg but on the north side of the entrance to he Triple Underpass along which the motorcade passed." 3/19 FBI Statement "At approximately 12:15pm on 11/22/63, I left the 2nd floor of the TSBD building to watch the Presidential Motorcade, which I knew was due to pass at about 12:30pm. I was accompanied by Betty Dragoo, Carolyn Arnold, Judy Johnson and Bonnie Richey all of whom are likewise employed by the TSBD . I and the above mentioned girls then stationed ourselves on the edge of the pedestrian parade line at a point approximately thirty feet directly in front of the main entrance to the Depository Bldg." 3/22/64 WC Deposition Mrs. Baker. "Well, we came out of the bldg across the street at approximately 12 or 12:15 and we stood out in front, directly in front of the Depository Bldg..." [Then after a short discussion between Liebler and Baker, about the layout of Elm St, the Elm Extension, and the "island" between the two, Baker continues...] Mrs. Baker. I guess you could say we were standing at the edge of Elm St. at the side of the Depository because we were almost in the street - Elm St. [Then more back and forth between them about the layout the streets that run through Dealey Plaza..then Liebler asks her to point out where she was standing again...] Mrs. Baker. ...we were standing right at the edge, approximately directly in front of the bldg or at the edge of the bldg; we were standing right here. Mr. Liebler. So, you were standing directly in front of the TSBD bldg and on the same side of Elm St. that the TSBD is located? Mrs. Baker. Yes. WHOM WITH: Carolyn Arnold Betty Dragoo Judy Johnson Betty Richey WHERE did she go after the shots: 11/24 FBI Statement "After the shots she and others in the crowd moved down toward the Triple Underpass and on returning to the bldg were told they could not go inside. she did not go inside until about 3:00pm." 3/19/64 FBI Statement "As soon as we realized shots had been fired at Pres. John F. Kennedy we ran in the direction of the Presidential car which I estimate to be about 50 yards from where we were standing, but when we got there the Motorcade had already driven away. We stood there for several minutes trying to find out what happened and then returned to the Depository Bldg entrance. We were told by another bldg. employee that if we went in the bldg we would not be able to get out again so I did not reenter the bldg at that time. I recall further that i remained in front of the bldg until approximately 2:15pm when i left to go to a restaurant. I returned at approx. 3:00pm as had left my coat and purse in the office. I was in the bldg about 10 mins. and determined that Betty Dragoo had already picked them up for me. I left the bldg ...and met my father at 4:00pm and he drove me home." 3/22/64 WC Deposition Mrs. BAKER. Well, the way it sounded--it sounded like it was coming from-- there was a railroad track that runs behind the building--there directly behind the building and around, so I guess it would be by the underpass, the triple underpass, and there is a railroad track that runs back out there and there was a train that looked like a circus train as well as I can remember now, back there, and we all ran to the plaza--the little thing there I guess you call it a plaza--back behind there this other girl and I almost ran back over there and looked and we didn't see anything. Mr. LIEBELER. And when you went down there and looked, did you see anybody at all? Mrs. BAKER Just a policeman and several people were down there around the tracks working. Mr. LIEBELER. And you say there are some railroad tracks back in there; is that right? Mrs. BAKER. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Immediately behind Dealey Plaza away from Elm Street? Mrs. BAKER. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. And is that where you thought the shots came from? Mrs. BAKER. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. And when you went down there and looked, did you see anybody at all? Mrs. BAKER Just a *policeman* and *several people* were down there around the tracks *working*. Mr. LIEBELER. But you didn't see anybody you thought might have been the assassin? Mrs. BAKER. No, sir. The testimony then takes a lengthy turn in the direction of her recounting seeing one of the missed shots behind the limo, and never returns to what she did after running to the railyard. However her other FBI statements make clear she returned to the TSBD after a few minutes but did not go in. * I know this is off topic...but i was just struck like a ton of bricks by her last two comments about what she saw in the railyard. I guess i had previously focused all my attention on her lengthy testimony about the "missed shot". But these railyard comments seems significant, in that, it appears she and her unnamed friend may have been some of the earliest people - in fact, THE earliest people - to investigate the railyard before any other witnesses arrived! Note she makes no mention of the hordes of people from DP pouring into the railyard from the steps by the pergola or being in the midst of a crowd! And, I make special note of her seeing just "a policeman" and a few rail workers "working" around the tracks. Could this be the "hatless cop" in Darnell? Note she doesn't mention a pair of cops - Foster and White - the duo stationed on the TU. I have long suspected this hatless "cop" of some involvement. HOW MANY statements did she make: Three - 11/24 FBI Interview, 3/19 FBI statement, 3/22 WC Deposition ________________________________ Jeannie Holt, aka: Gloria Jean Holt (NB: Judy Johnson was the only one who mentioned Holt and Jacob being with the group in front of the TSBD) WHERE: "At approximately 12 :10 P .M . on November 22, 1963, I left the Depository building and walked down toward the Stemmons expressway under pass west of the building approximately fifty yards and took up a position on the curb on the south side of Elm Street to await the presidential procession. I was accompanied by Sharon Simmons, now Mrs. Nelson, and Stella Jacob, both employees of the Texas School Book Depository. I was still standing on-the curb at the time president John F. Kennedy was shot." (South side of Elm? Is there evidence she and her 2 worker friends, Sharon Simmons and Stella Jacobs, were on the curb on the south side of Elm? There is no grouping of 3 women on the curb of the south side of Elm. Perhaps she confusing south and north?) WHOM WITH: Sharon Simmons Stella Jacobs WHERE did she go after the shots: "Following the assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy I tried to return to work in the Texas School Book Depository but was told by other employees that no one would be allowed in the building so I did not return to work that day." HOW MANY statements did she make: Only 1 - March 18th 1964 FBI statement ________________________________________ Stella Jacob (NB: Judy Johnson was the only one who mentioned Jacob and Holt being with the group in front of the TSBD) WHERE: "At approximately 12 :00 p .m . on November 22, 1963 . I left the Depository building & walked down toward the Stemmons expressway underpass west of the building approximately fifty yards and took up a position on the curb on the south side of Elm street to await the presidential procession . I was accompanied by Sharon Simmons, now Mrs. Nelson, and Jeanne Holt, both employees of the Texas School Book Depository. I was still standing on-the curb at the time president John F . Kennedy was shot." (Again...the "south side of Elm? Surely, she and Holt are confusing south and north. And what's funny is Jacob's statement about where she was standing is identical to Holt's statement, except for inserting Holt's name in place of her own! This appears to be a 1963 version of copy & paste!) WHOM WITH: Sharon Simmons Jeanne Holt WHERE did she go after the shots: "Following the assassination of the president I tried to return to work in the Texas School Book Depository, but was told by other employees that no one would be allowed in the building so I did not return to work that day." HOW MANY statements did she make: Only 1 - March 18th 1964 FBI statement _______________________________________ Sharon Simmons (Sharon Nelson) WHERE: "At the time President Kennedy was shot I was standing on the sidewalk on Elm Street about midway between the Texas School Book Depository Building and the underpass on Elm Street. I was with Jeannie Holt, 2521 Pleasant Drive, Dallas, and Stella Jacob, 508 South Marsalis, Dallas, at the time the President was shot." (NB: she is the only one of that trio that properly located them on sidewalk on the north side of Elm, rather than he south side. I believe the other two made an innocent mistake in direction.) WHOM WITH: Jeannie Holt (aka: Gloria Jean Holt) Stella Jacob WHERE did she go after the shots: "I left the Texas School Book Depository Building at about 12 :20 PM on November 22, 1963, and never returned to this building on that date." (She doesn't mention where she went immediately after the shots.) HOW MANY statements did she make: Only 1 - March 18, 1964 FBI statement That's all folks!

Tommy! SO SORRY! I made the corrections in my original post above, in RED! Let me know if you find any I still missed! There were 4 of them! Holy cow! No wonder you were confused! I've been running on very little sleep and getting a lot of research done.... Ciao! Linda <-------------

Bumped with a question for Linda: Is this the only photo we have of Sooy? Some of the photos that James Richards posted on another thread are gone now, but it's my understanding that in this photo Sooy is on the right and Krystinic is on the left. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that. --Tommy Hi Tommy! Yes, that's correct, Sooy is on the RIGHT. They look like twins almost don't they? The only good photo i have of him besides that one above linked above (which was ca. '52-'54 since that's when Krystinik was in the USN) is the one i used to compare him to the man i found in the DCA film at 6:15 whom i'm convinced is Sooy. This photo (credit to James Richards), in his dress whites I think i remember it being said it was from the "late 50's". I did research on his military record a couple of nights ago and found he retired in July 1960. So that is probably the lastest it could be. Just keep in mind it was probably ~5 years old or more in '63. I took multiple screen captures from the DCA film and made this comparison: NB: he is wearing glasses with a dark rim at the top and rimless or light rim at the bottom. At first blush he appeared he had weird cheek bones, then i realized it's the reflection/refraction of light and and magnification of his face by the lens that's creating that look. There was another photo James Richards mentioned in the "A Paine on the "Right" thread which he describes as follows: "The image below shows D.A. Sooy third from the left. On the far left is Kelly Smith, chief of Chance Vought tool engineers. Acting State President of the Navy League W.H. Wright is on the far right." I've never seen this photo and have tried to find it online today to no avail. I have a crappy photo of him bending down to give a disabled child an award - unfortunately, you can't see his face at all only the top of his bald head! So without that hat - he was shiny as a cue ball! He did have dark hair on the sides. If anyone really wants to see it i can upload it. There is what could be a nice photo of him receiving a safety award at the Dallas NAS in a '55 edition of the Grand Prairie (TX) Daily News (he's on the left) - but i can only read the OCR text. Since i'm not a premium member of "newspapersdotcom" i can't see the photo clearly - and it's unfortunately not available on the genealogy site where I am a paid member. So, if someone here is a member of newspapersdotcom could you please snag this photo? The only photo i've seen of Krystinik is the one you posted with Sooy in '52-'54. I did find a helpful article in the Grand Prairie Texan News dated 7/20/54 (no photo) - which was the written the day before he took over as Cmdr. of the Dallas Naval Air Station. The article had a nice bio of his military career up till the time when he took charge of the D-NAS. He was there till sometime in '56, and then transferred to the NAS at Bilbao Panama for about a year then to the NAS at Chaguaramas, Trinidad W.I. (near Port of Spain) in 1957 - that entire peninsula had been owned by the US from around 1940. Wiki says the NAS there was undergoing a post-WWII downsizing during the 50's and early '60's and was handed over to the Trinidadians in 1963. I couldn't find a record of it ...but it appears he was there from '57 until he retired in July '60. Here it is: Sooy Taking AS Command Wednesday Capt. David A. Sooy, USN, is to relieve Comdr. Jack A. Francis of command of the Naval Air Station here at a formal ceremony tomorrow morning, The Grand Prairie Texan learned today. Captain Sooy will be the permanent commander, succeeding Capt. Stanley C. Strong, USN, who was detached in June to assume command of the USS Tarawa. During the period since Captain Strong left, Commander Francis has been acting commanding officer. He will assume the duties of executive officer of the NAS when Captain Sooy officially takes command. A native of Chicago, Captain Sooy was born Nov. 5, 1903. He was first commissioned in the U. S. Naval Reserve Sept. 1, 1931, as an ensign. After two stays of inactive duty in the 1930s, Captain Sooy was recalled in 1938 as an instructor at NAS, Pensacola, Fla. In April, 1941, he was aboard the USS Saratoga when the United States entered World War II. Captain Sooy took part in fighting in the Solomons until he was detached and ordered to NAS, San Diego, Calif. During the last few months of the war, he was executive officer of the USS Kasaan Bay, and took part in anti-submarine operations around the Marshall-Gilbert Islands, the Marianas mid Philippine Sea. He attended the General UNA School [sic - this should read USNWC, the US Naval War College, in Newport RI; not the U(S)NA, US Naval Academy, which is in Annapolis], Newport, R. I. in 1946 and 1947, and later served as officer in charge of Tactical Air Control Squadron Three. January, 1949, he joined the staff of the commander, Amphibious Training Command, U. S Pacific Fleet, with headquarters at Coronado, Calif. He became head of the technical section, Civil Aviation Liaison Branch, office of the deputy chief of Naval Operations (Air) in Washington in August, 1950. A year ago [1953] he reported as executive officer of the Naval Air Station, Kwajalein, Marshall Islands, where he was serving when ordered to the NAS here. Captain Sooy holds the American defense service medal, Asiatic-Pacific Campaign medal, American campaign medal, World War II victory medal and national defense service medal. He is married to the former Josephine Zillah Moore* of San Jose, Calif, They have one daughter, Chandra Lou. [b. Feb.6 1933, Los Angeles] ** *I later found he and his first wife divorced ( she died in 1987) and he remarried. I found a little article stating he married the first female Cmdr. of the Dallas Naval Air Station , "Lt. Cmdr. Nadine Niehouse" (aka Evelyn Nadine Niehouse) possibly in Aug. 1963 - the wording is a little unclear. So at the time of the assassination he was about to marry the new Cmdr of the D-NAS. As far as I have been able to ascertain, she is still alive and must be in her 90s. I've not been able to find a marriage record for them but obviously they married: she goes by Evelyn Niehouse Sooy or Evenlyn Nadine Sooy on radaris and is at the same address with him (even though he was long ago deceased in '95).

Correction: The photo of Krystinik & Sooy which i said could be found in the EDF thread I referred to in my post above, is not in that thread...it's in this post in another thread. I "misremembered"! My bad! It's from '52-'54 so Sooy appears young here. Here it is - post #13: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2229&p=292007

Sorry if i'm confusing you, Tommy! About a year ago on a thread on EDF and in another FB group, i learned about about Sooy and Krystinik from posts by James Richards and Greg Parker. Shortly after that -- knowing he had been parked around the TSBD watching the motorcade, I started looking for him in footage and photos, and shortly thereafter I found who i believed to be Sooy in the DCA film at 6:15. It was Greg Parker - a meticulous researcher - who first said in that EDF thread that Sooy was not only Cmdr of the Dallas NAS, but was ONI. I trust his research. (It's a great thread - i highly recommend it! James Richards first brings up Sooy in post #13, and then Greg Parker replies with many very enlightening posts. It's basically about Michael Paine taking LHO to that ACLU mtg ---- allegedly. Krystinik, a good friend from way back with Sooy, was in on that ACLU story too and helped Michael Paine smear Oswald basically. Krystinik & Paine were the only ones that testified or gave statements that LHO stood up in the mtg and said what he said. No one else there remembered hearing a peep out of him or even seeing him there! Hmmmmm....I'm sure there's an innocent explanation for that. <snark>. And Krystinik, like Sooy, was ONI and was also good friends with Michael Paine, and worked with him at Bell Helicopter. I have a photo of Sooy & Krystinik together i'll post in the new thread eventually, but it's also in that thread). I'm very convinced that the guy at 6:15 in the DCA film is Sooy - have been since day one. Then a few months ago I happened to notice the tall guy with the dark hat over the top of the Queen Mary's windshield/visor in the Altgens 6 - i hadn't noticed him before. I noted his features looked a lot like Sooy but he had a little fuller face. However, i didn't rule him out because i thought it might just be the lighting making his face look thinner in the DCA film than in Altgens. So, IMO, he could also possibly be Sooy. Fast forward to this Truly thread and Truly #1 and Truly#2. You and I proved that Truly#2 is the real Roy Truly. I believed and believe that the clear Jack White/Unger photo of "Truly#1" who, IMO, has a chubby face & cheeks, puggish nose and big sunglasses, unlike Truly (or Sooy) proves he cannot be either of them. You think the resemblance is close enough. As i understand it (correct me if i've misunderstood you) you believe Truly#1 and the guy I found in Altgens 6 who I think might be Sooy are one in the same. Is that right? Well today, i photographically proved - without a doubt - that no matter who they are, they are not the same person. Even though they may be dressed similarly, with a white handkerchief, dark hat and white tie, and even thought they may be in the same vaguely general area - they are NOT the same person but two distinct individuals. I sent you the graphic I made proving they can't be the same person, in pvt message. I just checked and see you replied thusly: I believe the guy whose head is visible above the Queen Mary MIGHT be the DCA 6:15 guy (who, IMO, is Sooy). As I said he looks a little different so maybe it's not Sooy but an entirely different guy. But on the other hand it might just be a difference in lighting. Due to the really extreme foreshortening caused by Altgen's lens I'm not sure where exactly the... let's call him....Queen Mary-Man (QM-Man) is standing. He might be on the island to the north of the stoplight & Truly#1 --- ie: standing closer to the TSBD. The island isn't very wide. Or he might be standing in the Elm Extension. Or I'm even wondering if due to the severe foreshortening he could be in front of the TSBD, even EAST of the Truly#2 grouping. I have searched for the QM-Man in Wiegman (and Darnell) but can't find him anywhere - yet he is clearly there, somewhere, in Altgens. And I proved he is not one and the same with Truly#1 (details below). Weigman doesn't give us a view of who is to the right (east) of the Truly#2 grouping, so that's another reason i'm guessing he might be out of frame to the east of them, but Altgens severe foreshortening makes him look much closer. Darnell does pan farther east of the doorway but by then everyone has scattered. It might not seem possible that QM-Man is that far down, but Altgen's lens creates some really bizarre optical illusions. For example, in Altgens 6 the stop light and its attached signs appear to be right next to the the other big sign post on the island that has multiple route signs attached to it. In Altgens6 they practically appear to be atop each other! But when seen in shots by other photographers we can see they are actually widely separated from each other, both in the East-West axis and the North-South axis. Altgens lens also makes Lovelady appear to be leaning against the western entryway pillar, when in fact he's over against the western side of the railing. In the Wiegman film (the second by second version on youtube), I have found another man in a hat further west on the island. He is tiny and nondescript so i can't prove he is the QM-Man - besides I think it's impossible that he could be that far west - west of the tree in the island. The QM-Man appears far to the east of the tree - as i said he may even be east of the Truly#2 grouping. What i do know 100% for sure now, is that QM-Man (whomever he is) and "Truly#1" (whomever he is) are NOT the same person. We can see in Jack White's clear, Wiegman frame, that Truly#1 has his feet firmly planted right on the curb, and in fact, the front of his left foot is hanging over the edge of the curb on Elm. While in Altgens 6, even though we can't see Truly#1 because he's obstructed by the QM itself - just to the rear of the QM, we can see a bit of Elm street and curb of the island. The curb is just below the stoplight pole where Truly#1 was/is standing. And crucially, we can also see the QM-Man in the distance, and he is no where near that curb or the stop light pole - but is standing far to the left of it and is also most likely far in the distance. It can't be his feet planted on that curb. So that wider shot of Altgens6 and Jack White's Wiegman frame, proves that they are 2 distinct people - whoever they are. I hope this clears it up! Addendum: Sooy was ONI. (Plus there's some belief that Oswald had an ONI file and this was deliberately kept from the ARRB). As for proving Sooy, as ONI, had something to do with the assassination, well, i haven't proved that...and i don't claim to have proved that. It may never be proven, he may have been a totally innocent observer. But who knows where this knowledge might lead with further research now that we are aware of his presence. The fact that he was ONI and there in DP should raise some red flags just like James Powell does. Just as other intelligence people in the motorcade do - like Lumpkin Gen. Whitmeyer, Winston Lawson etc....But if we shut down research in the early stages just because we don't have full proof yet...well we get nowhere. The same holds for anything connected to the assassination - like PM etc... EDIT: So sorry Tommy! I did accidently switch Truly#2 for Truly#1 several times! I know who I meant - probably just my lack of sleep that caused me to f*ck up! Sorry to confuse you! I corrected my f*ck-ups in red above so you could find them easier. I read it over twice and think I found them all finally! (Let me know if you find any I missed!) I think we should just start calling "Truly#2" the "Real Roy", or something like that, now that it's been sufficiently proven. It would be harder to screw up the names that way. The "Truly#1", "Truly#2" thing is truly messing with my head! Plus it's probably confusing to people new to the thread - esp. if they jump in in the middle of the pages.

I've tried to imagine where else he might have gone myself and why people didn't notice him. If people on the steps truly didn't notice him maybe it's because they were so transfixed on trying to figure out what had happened to the president? It was a shocking event with shots and chaos all around and many of them couldn't see what had happened - so, i imagine they were focused on finding out and talking among themselves about that. And not many people thought the shots came from the TSBD - so it may not have even registered as an ominous thing that a cop was rushing into their bldg. They may have subconsciously tuned Baker out thinking he needed to get in the bldg to use the phone or something. Who knows.

Hello everyone - I came across a better photo of Joe Molina. This one has a nose. Now if we only had a photo of him from '63! Btw...does anyone have a photo of Carolyn Arnold? I was just looking today and came up empty.

Hi Robert! Yes good point - i shouldn't have said there was video of him sprinting "into" the TSBD - we only see him going to the base of the steps at full sprint i might add. I too noticed that it seems like he is going to sprint right past the steps - not turn and go up them. Your's is food for thought! I was trying to think of other possibilities of why almost no one said they saw him come up the steps and enter the bldg. Here's another possible scenario -- what if he did turn and run up the steps only to stop at the top and ask the guy by the door - Oswald/PM- where the stairs were? Even if some people hadn't noticed PM up in the corner earlier - their attention would have been drawn to this urgent encounter. And then Oswald entered the bldg to show him - until Truly arrived (as we can see in Darnell, unlike Baker, Truly is moving like a tortise!) Within hours however, the whole world had heard that Oswald did it and the powers that be needed to put the screws to any witnesses on the steps that had seen this encounter. So, basically you have people like Molina saying they saw Truly enter, but not Baker, who needed the assistance of the hot potato at the top of the steps! I'm just throwing this out there - I still believe he did run up the steps and into the bldg.

Hi Tommy! As I said earlier in a pvt msg to you ....i really am clueless as to why you can't see my googlephotos and are getting that error message when i can see all of them when i click on the links. The only things i can think of are some computer problem on your end - lack of updates or an old OS or something. OR maybe there is some privacy setting on googlephotos i don't know about so that only I am able to see them and you and others can't? Did anyone else having the same problem with those links? From now on i'm only going to post imgur links/photos. As for Sooy, sorry you don't think it looks like him!! What can i say...i think he's a dead ringer, and we do know he was in the area. His face looks a little older and bonier in the DCA photos because he *is* probably 5-10 years older than that Navy comparison photo, and he has glasses on. (In fact, It's the reflection/refraction through the glasses that are sitting low on his nose, that is creating those paler colored "bumps" in his upper cheek area - it's an optical illusion not his real cheeks. So that may be why you think he looks different. I still remain convinced it's him. In fact, just today, i found absolute proof that he cannot possibly be "Truly#1 by examining him in an uncropped version of Altgens6! (I had cropped his photo out months and saved it because i thought he looked like Sooy. However when i posted it here it lacked the "context" of the full picture. Today I noticed In the very clear Wiegman photo that Robin Unger and Bjorn posted (Jack White's slide) "Truly#1" can be seen to be standing right on the curb - in fact, you can see his feet right on the curb and the front of his left shoe is actually overhanging the curb! I then examined the full uncropped Altgens 6 photo to see where he was in relation to the curb (something i wasn't interested in months ago when i snipped him out of Altgens.) I think part of the reason you don't think he is Sooy is because you think he may be "Truly#1" because they "both" have a white pocket handkerchief and they both have on a white tie. Doesn't matter! They just both simply happen to have these things in common - and i proved it today. In the full Altgens photo one can see a little bit of Elm St and the curb Truly#1 was standing on just behind the Queen Mary - and "Sooy" is far to the left of the island, streetlight and curb! So he can't be standing on the curb! (We can't see T1 in Altgens either because he's so short, or we are possibly seeing just a sliver of him behind the Queen Mary and it may be his shoes on the island curb we are seeing! I made a comparison graphic of Altgens 6 and that Wiegman frame to demonstrate this. Do you want me to post it in this thread as proof that that man (whom i think may be Sooy) cannot be "Truly#1"? Or do i have to post it in the new "Sooy" thread. I haven't posted anything over there yet - just haven't had time and got sidetracked with working on this new find. (Additionally i made up a nice list of the locations and statements of the group of women standing around the Truly Trio on the right (Truly#2) since you said you needed to read through and compare their statements. I will post that here in a minute...

You're welcome, Larry! And thank you! Yes, I'm really enjoying it too! And you are so right! When Tommy posed that question about "why" Campbell would say that, suddenly the lightbulb went off in my head and that old clipping spoke from the past and explained all these contorted stories that never quite made sense!

It's always possible he ducked into the lobby when he saw Baker coming. He was right there by the door and I know from a blowup I did of the last frame of Darnell as Baker arrives at the steps that PM saw Baker and reacted. Furthermore, have you noticed that it looks as though someone already has the glass door propped open a tad behind Frazier? It would be quick and easy for PM to duck into the lobby with the door already cracked open for him. Check out the door: But, great point Tommy about making him look more guilty. If he didn't duck into the lobby or the storage closet - I 've come across another possible explanation of just "why" this story about him being in the storage closet after the shots was put forward. It always did seem a little silly to me that he would try to hide in the storage closet, which could be seen as sort of suspicious. I knew I saved this clipping for a reason - it wasn't exactly apparent at the time - now maybe it is!!! This is from a correspondence between Harold Weisberg and "S". In it they discuss - months before the WC Report even came out - that 2 respected journalists swore to them that O.V. Campbell told them that he saw Oswald in the front lobby storage closet BEFORE the assassination not after! This makes more sense! If it happened this way it would explain why Campbell would put forward this story of seeing him in the closet afterward - when actually he had see him in the closet beforehand (for some probably very legitimate reason like getting supplies or something - not nervously "hiding" in the aftermath of the assassination and seeing Officer Baker rushing up)! Thus, Oswald's perfectly innocent action - like getting something out of the closet - is turned into "hiding" in the closet during the aftermath to help patsy him up! IMO, Baker either rushed right by Oswald on the landing and then yelled "where are the stairs?!" at which point he stepped into the lobby to tell him - before Truly arrived and took over as the boss; OR Oswald had gone inside (Who knows why... To call his handler? Get his stuff to quickly leave and meet up with someone at the theater as previously arranged?) and Baker encountered him there just inside the front door in the lobby and asked him where the stairs were - again until Truly arrived and took over. In fact, the whole scenario of Baker aggressively pointing a drawn gun at Oswald in the front closet, then Truly telling him to cool it because Oswald was an employee, never made any sense whatsoever to me. Why would you point a gun at a guy who is right by the front door? A guy who obviously, he didn't have time to run down from the top of the bldg. in that short amount of time. It seems totally concocted. Fishy...very, very, fishy story! Yes, it's entirely more logical that this "in the closet" business actually happened PRIOR TO the assassination - just as these journalists insisted OV Campbell had recounted to them! : (It's moments like these I wish Sean were here to put in his two cents... I can hear him now! ) Also keep in mind early on Truly, Baker, and Campbell probably didn't even think about there being film of Baker sprinting into the bldg w/in 10-15 sec of the last shot! So they figured they could lie through their teeth and get away with it! And finally...speaking of the golden boy, here is a post of Sean's that I snipped out and saved from the PM thread a while back. Kent Biffle, the DMN reporter that wrote one of these early stories about encountering Oswald in the entry, said Truly was the one that originally recounted to him that he and Baker "met" Oswald as they rushed into the bldg. NB: he said nothing about a "storage closet" or a pulled gun! This, indeed, is probably how it went down - not pointing a gun at a "suspicious" Oswald, cowering in a closet! Thoughts? (Sean if you're reading this....please come back!) Addendum: I forgot to highlight this sentence of the Weisberg correspondence which is very telling: "I have been told that it's almost as hard to talk to Campbell now about the assassination as it is Wesley Frazier!" EDIT POSTED 8/20/15: The above should read: "...1 of 2 respected journalists swore to them that O.V. Campbell told them that he saw Oswald in the front lobby storage closet BEFORE the assassination not after!" (not 2 journalists - sorry I misread the correspondence).

Correct, Mark. Linda and I have determined that the guy I've been calling call "Truly #1," the man who's wearing a dark suit and fedora and standing on the edge of the "island" with his arms crossed in Wiegman, is not Roy Truly. Linda and I think we have found, in an enhanced clip from Dave Wiegman's film, the real Roy Truly, O.V. Campbell, and Jeraldean Reid standing near each other on the sidewalk in front of the front steps, and we think that their actions a few seconds after the shooting, as captured in Darnell and Couch, suggest that Campbell was telling the truth when he told a newspaper reporter on 11/22/63 (published 11/23/63) that "We" (probably Campbell and Reid, and perhaps Truly and / or Marion Baker) "went through the the front door shortly after the shooting stopped and encountered Oswald in a first floor storage room." (paraphrasing a bit here) Linda and I mildly disagree on whether or not "Truly #1" is also visible starting at 6:15 in this video. I say he is, Linda says it's a different man. Yours truly, --Tommy Hi Tommy! Sorry, I've not replied to all your posts and the others' posts sooner! I've been busy with other things this w/e and in the last day I have also been working on Sooy's genealogy and findagrave connections and have done more research reading old news clippings about Sooy I hadn't read before. (And I did find two really great ones!) So, from your post it appears we disagree about the man in the DCA Film at 6:15 (whom I say is Sooy), being the same man as "Truly#1". Correct? Yes, I guess we do disagree about that. I think "Sooy" in the DCA film is taller and thinner faced - and has different glasses than "Truly#1". But do you agree with me that DCA-man could be Sooy?? And btw...I read your post earlier about how almost none of my googlephotos links are working, so I thought, cr*p!! So, before I even got online to reply just now - and without even testing the links - I went to imgur and set up an account and uploaded my Sooy/Krystinik photos there. They all have ".png" extensions so, I figure, for godsakes THEY had better work - if they don't, just shoot me! But then I got online just now and before replying or trying to post them here, I clicked on the googlephoto links in my post as you suggested and each and every one of them work! What the heck?! I was using google Chrome so I thought, maybe they don't work in IE? And maybe you're using IE?! So I opened this page in IE and - again - each and ever one of those links worked for me! So I'm really baffled that they aren't working for you! Can you try them again and let me know if they work? The only other thing I can imagine is going on is that there is some sort of privacy setting in googlephotos so that *I* can see my googlephoto links but *you* and others can't! At any rate...I now have a nice imgur Sooy gallery set up with all the photos in it which I would like to post. I have NO Idea how this works. So I'm going to just try posting the URL of my "Sooy/DCA-man comparison" photo from my "Sooy & Kyrstinik" album here and see if it does anything. There are 9 photos in the album, total (plus one "photo" is his obit, and another photo is of a news clipping I came across from June '65. It states that Sooy - I believe in Aug '63, it's confusingly worded - is about to marry the new female Cmdr. of the Dallas Naval Air Station, Cmdr. Nadine Niehouse (aka: Evelyn Nadine Niehouse)! Sooy, had retired in July 1960, I discovered from going thru military records on a genealogy site. And he obviously had divorced his first wife, Josephine Zillah Moore, whom he married in 1930 (even though I still haven't been able to find a divorce record for them, or a new marriage certificate for him and Niehouse. But he definitely married Niehouse. Her name is on Radaris as "Evelyn Nadine Sooy" or "Evelyn Niehouse Sooy", along with his name and addresses, even though he passed away back in '95. She must still be alive but in her 90s - I haven't found an obit of findagrave page for her. Ok, here goes...fingers crossed! WOWZA!!!! It worked!!! Happy dance!! I hope you can see it too?! Ok now I will post other Sooy/Kristinik stuff on the other thread you set up. I just wanted everyone here to see who I'm talking about. I think he is not the same man as "Truly#1" I think he's Sooy. And seriously... even if he did "sit in his car" like he said, to watch the motorcade (which I don't believe for an instant), post assassination it's not believable that this guy who is ONI and the former Cmdr. of the D-NAS, and who is about to marry the new Cmdr. of the D-NAS, would just sit in his car - or leave - without getting out to assess things, or help out, or "help out". PS Keep in mind that the Sooy comparison photo is from some time in the late 50's so he will look older if this is him.

Robert Prudhomme said: "What we have here is a man who appeared to be in too much of a rush to get back inside the TSBD, almost as if he had an appointment to keep." I said in an earlier post that Truly probably was borne back to the steps by the crowd, just like he said, because we see him separated from Campbell and Reid - it just wasn't captured on film. But you make some very convincing points...and your summary is golden! I would have to agree now.