Steve Thomas

Pat,

It just smells a little fishy to me that one of the best friends of a murdered cop was sent out to find evidence on his friends' accused murderer, ...

Richard Stovall and Guy Rose were both Detectives in Captain Will Fritz's Homicide and Robbery Bureau. Guy Rose was one of the first people to speak to Oswald after his arrival at Police Headquarters. I imagine that Stovall was in the office too.

What is interesting to me is originally Will Fritz was going to go out to the Irving address with Richard Sims and Elmer Boyd. Fritz, Sims, Boyd, and Bill Decker all speak of a curious little encounter just after Fritz emerges from the TSBD. They have found the rifle and learned that Oswald lives in Irving. Fritz is all hot to trot. He's determined to go charging off to Irving taking Sims and Boyd with him. Just as he's about to head off, Decker sends word that he wants to talk to Fritz just a minute. What was the subject of that little conversation? None of them are asked by the WC, and none of them volunteer.

Whatever it was, all of a sudden Fritz changes his mind, heads into the office, keeps Sims and Boyd with him, and sends other police officers to check out Irving.

Steve Thomas

Greg,

I have read that the Manlicher Carcano (the alleged Oswald weapon) was not the rifle originally found on the 6th floor of the TSBD on 11/22. If I recall, there are claims that a different rifle (a Mauser) was originally found and purported to be the murder weapon. Has that ever been explained further? Is this claim based on eyewitness statements? Are any photos known to exist that would support his claim?

You might be interested in the article, "The Guns of Dealey Plaza" by John Craig.

You can read it here:

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_...ue/guns_dp.html

Steve Thomas

Ron,

Sorrels was expressly guessing at the time he arrived at DPD from Kodak, and was off by more than an hour:

If there was a Secret Service agent present during Oswald’s first interrogation, there is another reason I do not believe it could have been Forrest Sorrels.

Detective Elmer Boyd testified to the Warren Commission on 4/6/64. He said:

Mr. BALL. And Sims was there, and was there a Secret Service man in there?

Mr. BOYD. Let me see---I think there was a Secret Service man there, but I don't recall---I don't know what his name was.

Detective Richard Sims also testified on 4/6/64

Mr. BALL. How long was he in Captain Fritz' office?

Mr. SIMS. Well, let's see, we first went in there at 2 and we stayed in there evidently--this says here that the Secret Service and the FBI took part in the interrogation of Oswald with Captain Fritz, and we took him down to the first showup at 4:05.

In an undated after-action jointly filed with Chief Curry by Sims and Boyd, they report that the rifle was found at about 1:25PM and identify persons who were present when it was photographed. They knew enough of the federal agencies involved to make the distinction between the FBI, the Secret Service and officers of the ATF. They wrote, “Detective Studebaker and Lieutenant Day took pictures of the rifle. Mr. Pinkston of the F.B.I. and a Secret Service Agent were there at the time the pictures were being made. We don’t know the Secret Service agent’s name. Mr. Ellsworth and another officer from Alcohol Tax Department were also there.

"Report on Officer's Duty in Regard to the President's Murder, R. M. Sims. No. 629, and E. L. Boyd, No, 840. Dallas Police archives Box 3 Folder # 4, as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm

However,

Forrest Sorrels testified before the WC on 5/7/64. He said

And I started talking to Oswald, started asking him some questions, and he was arrogant and a belligerent attitude about him.

And he said to me, "I don't know who you fellows are, a bunch of cops."

And I said, "Well, I will tell you who I am. My name is Sorrels and I am with the United States Secret Service, and here is my commission book."

So, if Sorrels identified himself on 11/22/63, why were Sims and Boyd writing within days after the assassination that they did not know who the SS agent was that was up on the 6th floor and were telling the WC in April of 1964 that they did not know who the SS agent was that took part in Oswald’s first interrogation?

My comments about Sorrels taking Oswald in a back room alone came from SS Agent Winston Lawson.

By all accounts, Captain Fritz handled the first interrogation, but when Forrest Sorrels arrived to talk to Oswald, he took Oswald in a back room and handled the interrogation himself. Winston Lawson confirmed this and also appears to have confirmed James Hosty’s account of Sorrels, et.al. arriving at 6:00PM.

Mr. LAWSON. “Mr. Sorrels and a couple other agents and myself saw Lee Harvey Oswald when he was brought in for Mr. Sorrels to talk to at Mr. Sorrels' request.”

Mr. STERN. “Did you interrogate him”?

Mr. LAWSON. “No, sir; I did not.”

Mr. STERN. “Did Mr. Sorrels handle the interrogation alone?”

Mr. LAWSON. “Yes, sir; that particular one.”

Mr. LAWSON. “Mr. Sorrels in asking the questions already had some background on Mr. Oswald before he started questioning Mr. Oswald. The detectives or other individuals had told them what they knew up to this point about Oswald, his name, that he had been out of the country previous to this time to Russia, and a few other things. It was known at the particular time, perhaps 6 or 7 o'clock.

Steve Thomas

Ron,

Willis had to be mistaken because Sorrels wasn't there when the film was ready to view at Kodak. Sorrels had left for DPD.

Do you know where I can find Willis's statement about watching the Z film?

Both Marilyn and Phillip told Harold Weisberg that Sorrels watched the Zapruder film before he left.

Both Phillip and Marilyn Willis confirmed to Harold Weisberg that before Sorrels left, all the films had been processed, “and all viewed them.”

Weisberg, Harold. Whitewash II: The FBI – Secret Service Coverup. Harold Weisberg, 1966. p. 203.

Sorrels said that he left before the film was processed and told Zapruder he would get back to him.

From Sorrels' WC testimony:

We got a police car, and went right on out to the Eastman Kodak Co., and while there I met another gentleman who had seen some still pictures, and arranged with him for us to get copies of those.

Mr. STERN - What was his name---do you recall?

Mr. SORRELS - He is a salesman for the Ford Co. on West Commerce Street--Mr. Willis.

Hosty said in his WC testimony:

Mr. HOSTY. Yes, sir; at approximately 6 p.m. on the 22d of November 1963, Special Agent in Charge Forrest V. Sorrels of the United States Secret Service entered Captain Fritz' office with about five or six Secret Service agents. He then proceeded to interview Lee Harvey Oswald, I was not present during this interview.

I did see him take Lee Oswald to the rear of Captain Fritz' outer office and interview Lee Oswald. It appeared to me that Forrest Sorrels of the Secret Service had appeared for the purpose of representing the United States Secret Service in this investigation.

Why did Sorrels want to talk to Oswald alone and out of earshot?

Where was he between the hours of, oh say, 3:00 or so and 6:00?

Why did he tell the WC that he got back to police headquarters at 2:00, when he didn't go up to Fritz's office until 6:00?

Questions, questions...

Steve Thomas

Ron,

About 4:00 p.m. on November 23, 1963, Detective M.G. Hall of Homicide and Robbery Bureau called me and stated that Lee Harvey Oswald had requested permission to use the telephone and told me it would be o.k. I called J.L. Popplewell who was on duty on the fifth floor and told him to put Oswald on the phone. Popplewell called back within twenty or thirty minutes and said that Oswald had not been able to complete his call. He said Oswald told him that his party would not be in until later in the evening. I relayed this information to Detective Hall, who asked that Oswald be allowed to use the phone again at that time. I went to the fifth floor about 8:00 o’clock and told Popplewell to let Oswald use the phone again if he wanted to use it.

Is it possible that the later call in the evening was to Ruth Paine?

She told the WC that Oswald called her twice about 4:00 in the afternoon on the 23rd and then a third time - she said was around 9:30. PM.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/paine_r2.htm

In his first call around 4:00 PM, she said that Oswald asked her to call John Abt after 6:00 PM

Mrs. PAINE - I said, "Well, Hi." And he said he wanted to ask me to call Mr. John Abt in New York for him after 6 p.m.

What is puzzling here, is how did LHO know that John Abt would not be available until after 6:00 PM?

Mrs. PAINE - In this interim then, I suppose I talked to some more news people but I want to get to the next important point which was that Lee called again.

Mr. JENNER - A third time?

Mrs. PAINE - I really call the first two one, but it was twice dialed.

Mr. JENNER - Fix the time, please.

Mrs. PAINE - It was around 9:30 in the evening.

Maybe Oswald was calling to see if she had been able to reach Abt.

Mrs. PAINE - In the meantime, had you sought to reach John Abt?

Mrs. PAINE - I had, after 6 o'clock, thank you. I had dialed both numbers and neither answered.

Mr. JENNER - Neither answered. Was there any conversation between you and Lee Oswald in the evening conversation to which you reported to him your inability to reach Mr. Abt?

Mrs. PAINE - I do not specifically recall.

Mr. JENNER - Or the subject of Mr. Abt at all?

Mrs. PAINE - I don't want to get in, to rationalization. I can judge that something was said but I do not recall it specifically.

Steve Thomas

Tosh et.al.,

Ruby's card when found recently was released at a press conference. However, another copy of prints was not. It is not my place to go into how I know these things and perhaps I have already gone to far and this could become a problem between me and others who ask me not to reveal my sources.

An ex-Dallas policeman told me that, "I read the story (Below) in the newspaper. I just got back from the Police Academy where I was teaching a Class for Detectives and Jess Lucio was in the class and he says they firmly believe that Rusty Livingston, a Crimes Scene Search Detective in 1963 took the card on November 24 and it ended up with his nephew, a former classmate of the moron they arrested on the Drug Search Warrant."

Here is a link to the WFAA Channel 8 News Report.

http://www.wfaa.com/perl/common/video/wmPl...evidence_am.wmv

The reporter, Jennifer Lopez, says that the items were stolen from the police lab.

Steve Thomas

Nic,

The relationships between the Paines & the Oswalds, currently. It's fascinating that Marina was told by the Secret Service not to talk to Ruth Paine because she was sympathizing with the CIA ( according to her testimony to Jim Garrison ).

I have just been reading the Warren Commission testimony of some of the White Russian community.

According to Natalie Ray, Marina supposedly told the people at one of the parties they went to that the Oswald's lived in Moscow for a year.

She was adamant about that.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/ray_n.htm

I had never heard that before.

Steve Thomas

Ron,

And this party was in Dallas, as it had the same telephone exchange (CH-7) as TSBD employee L.R. Viles (CH-7-3854), who according to a list of TSBD employees on 11/22 (page 389 in LaFontaine) lived at 3210 St. Croix.

I did a mapaquest on this address, it's north of Dallas up towards the Highland Park

I looked up George Bouhe's address and it's in about the same place.

I wonder if this area was the location of the White Russian community in Dallas.

Steve Thomas

Tosh,

It is not my place to go into how I know these things and perhaps I have already gone to far and this could become a problem between me and others who ask me not to reveal my sources. In time, I was told, this information will be released to the media.

That's ok. I won't press you.

Steve Thomas

Ron,

Also listed as CD 1444c is “Telephone sheets on prisoner’s telephone calls for November 22, 23, and 24, 1963.” Where is this document?

I think I saw a telephone log in the LaFontaine's book, Oswald Talked

What follows does not answer your question, but there was a pice of paper in Oswald's pocket when he died with some phone numbers on it.

I, Vincent E. Drain, Special Agent of F.B.I delivered the following above mentioned articles to Captain G.M. Dought, Dallas Police Dept. this date, February 7, 1964. These articles bear my initials as well as Cap't. Doughty's initials. The above items were received from Captain Doughty by Special Agent Drain on 2-2-64.

Among the items listed, such as a t-shirt, a black sweater and gray shirt was a slip of paper found in Oswald's right front pocket bearing these numbers:

OR-9-9450

RI-8-9711

AC-2-4611

CO-7-3110

CH-7 (the last prefix and number were crossed out)

Dallas Police Archives Box 9, Folder#4, Item#10.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box9.htm

Don Roberdeau later told me that:

"The four numbers on the list and their corresponding owners (CE2073):

- RI 8-9711, Dallas jail

- CO 7-3110, John Abt, attorney, business number at the offices of David Freedman and Abraham Unger, 320 Broadway, NY, NY.

- AC 2-4611, John Abt, residence, 444 Central Park West, NY, NY.

- OR 9-9450, The Daily Worker, 23 West 26th St., NY, NY."

Mark Bridger told me that:

"The last one, Lloyd Viles, a fellow employee had the phone number - CH-7-3854. You'd have to find out what prefixes corresponded to what local exchange. I've an idea they were abreviations for longer words weren't they? So CH might be short for CHESTNUT or CHELSEA, for example. I believe in WC testimony quite a few witness phone numbers were at the top of testimonies, especially those given to the FBI and County Sheriffs. Hope this helps? Mark."

I never did learn the identity of that last number CH - 7

Steve Thomas

What interests you the most about this case?

The ballistics? the autopsy? the witness statements?

I enjoy taking an event or a question and seeing what everyone involved had to say about it. For instance, How did the police FIRST learn that Lee Harvey Oswald lived at 1026 N. Beckley? Please see the online seminars for my take on the question.

Another one is... Was there a Secret Service Agent present during Oswald's first interrogation, which began at 2:20 PM?

Police Chief Jesse Curry, Deputy Chief M.W. Stevenson, Homicide and Robbery Captain Will Fritz, and Detectives Richard Sims and Elmer Boyd said there was.

But who could that Secret Service Agent have been? Forrest Sorrels is the only Secret Service Agent known to have returned to Dealey Plaza in the immediate aftermath of the assassination. Sorrels said that he got back to DPD Headquarters "around 2:00 PM, but Phil Willis said that he saw Forrest Sorrels at the Kodak Lab near Love Field when he got there as Air Force One was leaving Dallas. From Secret Service accounts, we know that took place at 2:47 PM. After Air Force One left and while the Willis's were waiting for their pictures to get developed Sorrels and Zapruder arrived. Willis said he watched the Zapruder film with Sorrels.

And FBI SA James Hosty said that Sorrels didn't arrive at police headquarters until 6:00 PM. So who was this SS Agent present at Oswald's questioning. SS Agent James Patterson said that he waited at Love Field until Air Force One left and then he returned to the office. But he was the person to whom Mary Moorman and Jean Hill gave their pictures to and that was at the Sheriff's office - not the Dallas Police Headquarters.

Steve Thomas

Interrogation, by J. W. Fritz. Draft of the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald. Dallas Police Archives, Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 111 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm

Testimony of M.W. Stevenson. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XII, p. 94, as cited in the History Matters Archive,

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol12_0051a.htm

Testimony of Chief Jesse E. Curry. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XII, p. 30, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol12_0020b.htm

Testimony of Elmer L. Boyd. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 123, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol7_0066a.htm

Testimony of Richard M. Sims. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 165, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol7_0087a.htm

Testimony of Forrest Sorrels. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 352, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol7_0180b.htm

Ibid. p. 353

Testimony of James Patrick Hosty, Jr. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 470, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol4_0239b.htm

Tosh,

More important than the map is the fingerprint copies that were found other than Ruby's. These fingerprint copies have been compared to the box 26 FBI copies that were sent to the FBI by Dallas P.D shortly after the assassination. The FBI copies of the fingerprints are different than the ones found in the basement. The FBI copies are different and appears to have been tampered with AFTER they were in the FBI's Lab. (1964)

(I posted on this forum a few weeks ago about this Dallas PD and the new found prints but nobody picked up on it)

The pictures (PHOTO COPIES) of the prints found in the raid is a NON broken chain of evidence FROM THE FIRST OF 1964. Guess who the 38 point comparison prints fit?.

A woman named Marthat posted this on the alt.assassination.jfk newsgroup on December 17, 2004:

> I just saw a news announcement about this - the card that was held up

> (that Ruby's fingerprint was supposedly on) was Oswald's FPCC card. Now

> don't everybody pounce at once - I am just telling you what I saw and

> heard. It is not MY story.

>

On the 18th, she posted this:

Sorry all.

I am not sure if I was wrong and the TV blip was right OR if I was right

and the TV . . . well, you know. Anyhow - straight from the horse's mouth

- it was Ruby's fingerprint card that was in the stuff recovered. FPCC

card had nothing to do Ruby.

Neigh/Whinny

Martha

Steve Thomas

I used to live near there in the late 1980's.

The Ouichita Mountains were known locally as a place even law enforcement didn't go.

Steve Thomas

Larry,

Steve, Mark Bridger has done a fantastic job of obtaining high school and other contemporary photos of Masen; they are published in the November issue of the Dealey Plaza Echo. with a side by side comparison to Oswald.

Maybe you could encourage Mark to post a couple of those photos here.

Steve Thomas

Dixie,

Unfortunately, I don't have a way to scan this Ryder photo on here. Perhaps someone else will do so. But, I still do wonder if Masen is also actually a LHO look-alike.

Is this the one you mean?

Steve Thomas

Wim,

At what time was this? He was seen in his rooming house at 1 PM and arrested in the Texas Theatre shortly after 1:30 . So that makes it bogus claim right there.

Unless you subscribe to the Two Oswalds or Oswald Lookalikes or Oswald Impersonator theory.

Steve Thomas

Tim,

John had suggested starting a thread about individuals who had "confessed" to participation in the assassination.

Marita Lorenz and Rose Cheramie.

Steve Thomas

Shanet,

Please read the PDF file on Millican's statement, I would paste it if I could...

The newer versions of Adobe Reader allow you to copy and paste text from a pdf file.

Steve Thomas

Don,

In a couple of forums you have asked if anyone read Flight From Dallas containing the experiences of Sgt. Robert Vinson.

I read the book last night.

A brief summary for others is that he says he was on a flight from Andrews Air Force base to Colorado that was diverted to Dallas on 11/22/63.

The plane landed on a dirt abutment next to the Trinity River just off Industrial Blvd.

Two men got on the plane - one of whom Vinson swears was Lee Harvey Oswald.

The plane took off and flew to Roswell Air Force base where the two crew members and the two new passengers got off leaving Vinson stranded.

My question for Tosh is: Do you know anything about this supposed flight?

Vinson described the plane as a C-54 with no tail markings - just a circle with lines through it like a globe.

Steve Thomas

Tosh,

Wim: Thanks for the help. I have been away for a few days. I will bring this site up to date for the FORUM. I think I can add a few good tid-bits of info for all. I should be back in circulation in a few weeks.

Did you know Richard Case Nagell?

Steve Thomas

Don,

The same 14NOV62, 112th Intelligence NTC Group memo also mentioned JACK RUBY stripper, "Joy Dale," a.k.a. JOYCE WITHERSPOON McDONALD.

What does this memo say about Joyce McDonald?

Steve Thomas

Greg,

I have attempted to find out who "The Goose" is a couple of times over the last few years. It may well be me for thinking I could actually identify the guy...

Yep, I've had my eye out for "The Goose" ever since.

Could Miller and Whitter be a legitimate link between Ruby and Oswald? Is it possible that Oswald was the informant that brought about their arrest?

Consider Ruby for that role. Not my theory... but it does come from one of the best minds in the business (I have to say that since he pokes his head in here now and again... ). His argument, I have to say, is growing on me...

Interesting. I've never thought about that before.

Steve Thomas

James,

And Steve, that is the first time I had heard of Robert Borchgardt. That spun me out completely. It certainly does raise the question of whether he got information from Oswald direct.

Borchgardt himself may not be lily white in this case.

Detective Boyd, in his WC testimny said that Borchgardt had been arrested on firearms, burglary and theft charges.

(In the printed text, it says, "CPW" and burglary and theft, but I think he actually said "CCW", or carrying a concealed weapon). Maybe he played a small tangenital role.

Steve Thomas

James,

I was hoping to get some forum members' opinions regarding Miller and Whitter.

Thanks for the photos.

Here is what I posted on the Lancer Forum back in 2003:

On December 1, 1963 Detective K.L. Anderton wrote up a handwritten report of a meeting he had with prisoner "Robert" Borchgardt.

DPD Archives, Box 2, Folder# 6, Item# 9

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

In summary, Borchgardt said he had information about a gun running operation, stolen cars and narcotics.

Borchgardt said that he had gotten his information from 4 people both inside and outside of jail, and named them:

E. Dalrymple (the first name is hard to make out - it looks like Elrice)

Lawrence Miller

Perry Wydell

Marvin Fraizer

Borchgardt said that Wydell worked for Jack Ruby as a bouncer in his clubs "some time back".

(I have not been able to corroborate that yet).

He said that these four worked for a man named "Fred" aka "The Goose" aka "The Big Dago" in this gun running/car theft/narcotics ring.

I believe that "Robert" Borchgardt is actually Richard Borchgardt, who took part in Oswald's third line-up, which took place at 7:40 p.m. on the night of the 22nd. This is the infamous "Davis sisters" line-up, which may or may not have involved Howard Brennan.

In this same interview with Anderton, Borchgardt also said that Ruby was in hock to bookies for $40,000, and that if he killed Oswald, the debt would be forgiven.

What jumped out at me of course, is the name Lawrence Miller.

For those of you familiar with the book, Oswald Talked, you will remember that Miller was arrested on November 18, 1963 for an arms theft involving weapons stolen from the National Guard Armory in Terrell, TX. Rather than go over the details of the book, here is a brief description of Miller and Whitter from Mary Ferrell's database:

MILLER FIRST LAWRENCE MID/AKA REGINALD

Rt. 4, Canton, TX (1963) 'PHONE

Arrest Report, Dallas Police Department, 11/18/63; Houston Post,

11/14/93, p. A-1

DOB: 7/13/30. Arrested with Donnell Darius Whitter 11/18/63 at Gaston

and Hall, Dallas, TX, and held as suspects in theft of military weapons

from National Guard Armory near Terrell, TX. Allegedly identified by

John Franklin Elrod's cellmate (LHO ?) 11/22/63 as one of five men who

met at a motel several days prior to assassination. Jack Ruby was

supposedly one of the five.

WHITTER FIRST DONNELL MID/AKA DARIUS

326 S. Edgefield, Dallas, TX (1963) 'PHONE

CD 847; Arrest Report of Dallas Police Department 11/18/63; Dallas

Morning News, Tuesday, 11/19/63, p. 1-A; Houston Post, 11/14/93, p. A-1;

14 pgs being withheld - Record No. 180-10071-10289 - Agency File No.

010223 (FBI)

DOB: 5/30/20. Wife: Mary. Driving 1962 Thunderbird, HD5095, with

Lawrence Reginald Miller as a passenger when arrested 11/18/63 at Gaston and Hall, Dallas, and held on suspicion of robbing National Guard Armory near Terrell, TX. Had been attendant at V.E. Morallis Texaco Service Station and had "waited on" Jack Ruby.

In Mary's summary of Lawrence Miller, I was struck by the fact that the meeting in the motel room involved 5 men, including Ruby. According to the LaFontaines, one of these 5 men supposedly was Lawrence Miller.

Borchgardt said the he got his info from 4 men, one of whom was Miller.

The 4 men belonged to a "ring".

Is it possible that in his interview with Anderton, Borchgardt has identified the other men in that motel room meeting?

In Box 7 Folder #7, Item #17 of the Dallas Police Archives, in a handwritten note by an unknown author, in a listing of the 7:55PM lineup with Oswald involving Barbara Davis and Virginia Davis (witnesses in the Tippit shooting), Richard Walter Borchgardt is listed in position #1 of the lineup. Oswald was in the # 2 position.

Is it possible that Robert Borchgardt got some of his information from Oswald himself?

Steve Thomas

Jim,

As researchers, weather we like it or not, General Edwin Anderson Walker, is on our turf. Do we continue to ignore him or do we face the reality of this ugly truth?

I've been reading The Man Who Knew Too Much, by Dick Russell. He says that a German newspaper reported on November 23rd that Oswald was responsible for the atempted murder of Walker; but Marina didn't tell the authorities about that for four or five days after Kennedy's asassination. How did the German newspaper know? I believe the story came out after the paper interviewed Walker by telephone.

Russell also said Walker's attempted shooting was carried out by Oswald and the two Schmidt brothers financed by H.L. Hunt. Though they ran in the same conservative circles, Hunt and Walker didn't like each other.

Steve Thomas