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Judyth Baker is probably one of the few topics that I have not engaged in on this or any of the other forums. I have read nearly everything that has been posted but I still do not feel strongly enough swayed to form an opinion.
What seems a little strange to me is why, other than the notoriety of the assassination, does anyone find it strange or unbelievable to acknowledge that two young adults who, tho married, were attracted to each other in their workplace and consequently had a relationship. I feel certain that this has literally ocurred millions of times. It no doubt has ocurred in the personal lives of some members of this forum.
Proving things that happened in the distant past is difficult; perhaps in many instances impossible. I really don't know what I could prove relating to my personal life when I was 23 years old, as was Lee.
I don't feel that either Lee or Judyth were experiencing a "Happy Days" type home life at the time.
I not only feel that their alledged affair was not unusual under those circumstances, but many such affairs have developed among persons thought to be much more emotionally stable than Lee and Judyth appeared to be.
As far as keeping this information concealed for a good number of years, I can think of many reason to keep "any" sexual affair secret......and most particularly this one.
I, being a natural skeptic, have not been convinced, as yet, by the arguments of either side and I therefore remain open.
However, I very much hope that her story can be proven true..... For many reasons.
Charlie Black
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My apologies, but someting has been seriously troubling me for some time and I didn't know exactly where to vent it. Perhaps this is only a pet peeve of mine, but I think that it is of terrific significance to what is happening in the world. A something that I have never seen the U.S. press mention.
Why are not Russia and China, two of the worlds largest countries, not called upon in the effort to aid underveloped countries? This is not a U.N. problem, or an American or European Community problem.....it is a problem that is facing the entire world. Why are they seemingly exempt from humanitarian obligations yet their desires in other world affairs are given great consideration?
It may not be realized in the world community, and the U.S. press makes absolutely no effort to expose it, but there is terrific poverty within the U.S. There "LITERALLY" are thousands of elderly Americans that are actually DYING because they are forced to decide between food & electricity or buying the prescription drugs neccessary to keep them alive. This is not an exageration or over amplification. It is absolutely hard fact! Will the press ever tell you? Of course not! The recent impact of NAFTA and other trade agreements have seriously worsened the problem and seem to be well on their way to the further destruction of the middle class in the U.S.
What finally pushed me somewhat over the edge, was that yesterday I shopped in Wall Mart (that great American success story), and when examining my purchases upon my return home, I discovered that of the nine items that I purchased, seven were manufactured in China, one in Sri Lanka, and one in the good old U.S. Folks there is something seriously wrong with my countries leadership.
But back to my original point. Why is there no true effort among the world powers to truly SHARE (not token promises) in the worlds problems and their solutions?
I truly believe that the answer lies in the true plans of the NEW WORLD ORDER, the logic of which we are not privy to.
This world plan is also the reason that the U.S. makes mininmal efforts, even in the wake of serious terrorist activities, to guard its borders.
We are expending more at the borders of Iraq than those in the U.S. The answer IMHO is that with one world government, borders are not neccessary!
Thanks for your indulgence.
Charlie Black
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Hi Lee,
The power contained therein is nearly unfathomable!
This has always been, in my thinking, a challenge to us all to look far deeper than those illusory images with which we are constantly bombarded. To look deeper and determine what it is that has been hidden, and to understand the fear that this document poses to those that have chosen to be our masters, rather than our public servants.
More Americans should understand that this document is not a proposal....but a strongly stated requisite for the continuance of our freedom which was so dearly paid for and is in no other way guaranteed!
Charlie Black
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Hi John,
My thoughts exactly. As I have stated many times both here and on several forums, I strongly opposed American aggression against a defenseless sovereign nation before, during and after my nations uncalled for aggression in Iraq.
I also strongly feel that my current President has dishonored a proud country that for so many years has "legally" sought to aid the truly oppressed and downtrodden in all parts of the world.
My apologies go out in general to the British, whom I have always had the utmost respect and support for, but second only to being a human being, I am an American whose "true values" I and many like me have fought for!
My further apologies if I have disrupted this forum thread.
Charlie Black
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Charlie, it is not my intention to give offence. If I have then I am sorry.
To understand my references to God, you need to read my two rather longer posts in this thread which deal with ideas of American exceptionalism, and the mythology which surrounds this belief. Many countries before yours have had this belief (My own included.) And it generally leads to no good. Steve.
Here here to that, Steve. There's no such thing as God's chosen people, it's a supreme arrogance for any race to claim they are.
Thanks Mark, It really was not my intention to upset anyone with my comments, and certainly not Charlie, a man who's postings here I usually agree with. But the idea of American exceptionalism is an established fact.This on its own is not a particular problem, But look at the Nazi's if you want an extreem example of where this kind of thinking can lead.. Steve.
Steve and Mark,
It was not my intent to take on the "EMPIRE", but if need be I will.
I frankly don't place much merit in what either of you feel religiously as I don't know what that is and could care even less.
I do take offense to your not well hidden references to what you perceive to be American arrogance!
Not in any way backing off, I must mention that even given my prior military, I have been, am now, and will continue to be vehemently opposed to the actions of both your country and mine regarding Iraq.
That said however, I am not about to sit back and listen to rhetoric from a country that proudly and vociferously boasted for hundreds of years that "The Sun Never Sets on the British Empire". Speak of "ARROGANCE"?
And then you refer to us as NAZI'S. The people that are in large part responsible for the fact that you are not posting in German.
And just as a parting thought, do either of you have direct communication with the Divine who has so advised you that there are no "chosen people"? Please remember that it was not me who introduced the references of "God's chosen people" / " more favored by the deity" / "mythological perception..."
I think that you two should "re - think" or possibly begin thinking more deeply of what you have said and inferred. Better yet, you should probably quit while you are only behind rather than making yourselves one!
Charlie Black
Charlie,
It's probably not the right Forum for this kind of debate as it won't get us closer to finding a solution to this unsolved crime. However, if you have a direct communication link to the Divine, I would be interested to know who his "chosen people" are. Perhaps you could post it in the "Religion" section of the Forum.
p.s. I'm not British.
So sorry Mark
For the misinterpretation. It was probably foolish of me but when you stated that "there are no chosen people", I just assumed that you would not have said this so forcefully if you did not have a Direct Link.
Charlie Black
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Charlie, it is not my intention to give offence. If I have then I am sorry.
To understand my references to God, you need to read my two rather longer posts in this thread which deal with ideas of American exceptionalism, and the mythology which surrounds this belief. Many countries before yours have had this belief (My own included.) And it generally leads to no good. Steve.
Here here to that, Steve. There's no such thing as God's chosen people, it's a supreme arrogance for any race to claim they are.
Thanks Mark, It really was not my intention to upset anyone with my comments, and certainly not Charlie, a man who's postings here I usually agree with. But the idea of American exceptionalism is an established fact.This on its own is not a particular problem, But look at the Nazi's if you want an extreem example of where this kind of thinking can lead.. Steve.
Steve and Mark,
It was not my intent to take on the "EMPIRE", but if need be I will.
I frankly don't place much merit in what either of you feel religiously as I don't know what that is and could care even less.
I do take offense to your not well hidden references to what you perceive to be American arrogance!
Not in any way backing off, I must mention that even given my prior military, I have been, am now, and will continue to be vehemently opposed to the actions of both your country and mine regarding Iraq.
That said however, I am not about to sit back and listen to rhetoric from a country that proudly and vociferously boasted for hundreds of years that "The Sun Never Sets on the British Empire". Speak of "ARROGANCE"?
And then you refer to us as NAZI'S. The people that are in large part responsible for the fact that you are not posting in German.
And just as a parting thought, do either of you have direct communication with the Divine who has so advised you that there are no "chosen people"? Please remember that it was not me who introduced the references of "God's chosen people" / " more favored by the deity" / "mythological perception..."
I think that you two should "re - think" or possibly begin thinking more deeply of what you have said and inferred. Better yet, you should probably quit while you are only behind rather than making yourselves one!
Charlie Black
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Hi Charlie, sorry if i'm reading you wrong,but do you mean to say that you believe that you are one of Gods chosen people. Or that America is more favoured by the diety than other lands?
Regards,Steve.
Stephen, you seem to have the propensity to read quite a bit wrong!
I referred to no deity! I was speaking to what you perceive as "America's mythological perception of itself as a chosen people". But if you wish to bring religion into it, I certainly hope that I am "one of God's chosen people".
I doubt however that "America is more favored by the deity than other lands".
However, if it were, I would certainly embrace the honor and give thanks!
Charlie Black
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Hi Chris. Good point, but I am of course talking of America's mythological perception of itself as a choosen people, rather than any reality. It must be said that nearly all American members of this Forum do not suffer from this delusion.
Regards Steve..
Stephen : Not only politically incorrect but quite "UNBRILLIANT"
But then again, I probably "suffer from this delusion"!
Charlie Black
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A flight plan is fine. However what I would find interesting, very interesting, would be his pilot's log book. There is quite a difference. There is no doubt that he had pilot logs, but has anyone seen one? Are they in the national archives? I have never heard mention of them. If they were legitimate, they could be vey telling. If they are not available, they must have been stolen. If stolen, why and by whom? They absolutely had to have existed!
CharlieB
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"This is unbelievable comparing the CIA to th SS & KGB"
"You claim the CIA had a license to kill......"
Wake up and grow up Tim! Yes, and in some ways I compare the SS and the KGB favorably to the CIA.
Of course there is no "statute" that will give an agency the license to kill! But if you do not know that this agency kills people, you had better put your head back in the Key West sand.
AS far as my knowledge of the CIA, SS and KGB and what books I have read....you don't want to go there.
Perhaps you should dwell on Cuba and not worry about what I Know, Believe, Read or Think!
Charlie Black
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Charles Black wrote:
I suppose that JFK was right. Too bad that he didn't have enough time to smash it into a thousand pieces and toss it to the wind.
It seems that we have created a beast that is devouring us. A beast with unrivaled power, a limitless unaccountable budget, and most certainly a license to kill coupled with an obvious propensity to do so in a flaunting and flagrant manner. All of this and accountable to no one. Neither the KGB nor Hitler's SS ever had it so good. Yes, that is who I compare them with!
This is unbelievable! Comparing the CIA to the KGB and the SS? Surely you jest! You claim the CIA had a "license to kill"? What statute gave it that authority? I believe when the CIA authorized assassination attempts without statutory authority it engaged in conspiracy to murder. I think any CIA offficer involved could have been indicted and if any president had authorized the assassination the president himself could have been indicted.
Please recite any murders committed by the CIA.
What books have you read about the KGB and the SS?
And for your information after JFK made that statement about the CIA in the geat of the BOP failure, he used it and gave it increased power with respect to the operations against Cuba. And on several subsequent occasions he publicy praised the CIA. Are you aware of this?
And by the way the article Paul Kerrigan cites is from the Constitution Party which I believe is a far-out extremist right-wing organization. It just shows that sometimes the extreme left and extreme right go so far they in fact meet!
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Well Ron
I suppose that JFK was right. Too bad that he didn't have enough time to smash it into a thousand pieces and toss it to the wind.
It seems that we have created a beast that is devouring us. A beast with unrivaled power, a limitless unaccountable budget, and most certainly a license to kill coupled with an obvious propensity to do so in a flaunting and flagrant manner. All of this and accountable to no one. Neither the KGB nor Hitler's SS ever had it so good. Yes, that is who I compare them with!
This might be easier to take if I thought that they were at least doing a good job. Even an adequate job.
I well realize that often we have no way of realizing when they are successful, but their obvious failures have been paramount.
Other than being a semi effective Murder Inc., I don't know of a great many kudo's that could be sent their way. These people are capable of devouring their own young!
These offsprings of Harry Truman are most certainly not what he envisioned.
Charlie Black
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Hi Ron
I agree with what you are saying in part. In government as well as big business there are portions of the picture that an executive does not need to see or at times may not want to see. This however is not what I am talking about!
I am talking about a U.S. President who desires and requests specific information and is told that he can have no access to it because it is believed by certain persons that he does not have a need to know that information. We certainly realize that not everyone can address the President in this manner. My question is " what person or persons have the legal right and the authority to tell a Pres. that `it is my determination that you do not need to know that information' ".
I further and primarily question who that person is that can, with assurance, tell a President that he knows that the President does not need to know certain information? Who or what gives him, first the wisdom to make such a determination, and second, by what authority is he given this supreme decision making power. Do we have a position in our government that is entitled "God"?
I do not think that our system of government requires that a President must explain and defend to anyone why he may want certain information. He may have good reason not to disclose his reasons. I maintain that no one has the authority to so censor the President.
If there is legally such an omnipotent faction of our government, I feel that we should all be aware of it. Apparently Presidents Carter and Clinton were not until after the fact!
Charlie Black
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I recently posted on another forum a question that has been progressively confounding me over the past several years. It as yet has not received appreciable comment. The question, at first glance, may seem rather insignificant but I feel that the core of the real question is quite important and most of the potential answers that I foresee are disturbing.
The question relates to what power and how much power, in reality, does the office of the U.S. Presidency hold? It has been reported that former Presidents Carter and Clinton were stonewalled by the DIA and the CIA when they inquired into classified elements of the JFK assassination. They were stonewalled by the "need to know" provision.
Can anyone tell me how it is possible for an intelligence agency to determine what a U.S. President has a "NEED TO KNOW"?
Who then has a need to know if the elected President who has the responsibility of making the critical determinations and decisions of this country does not? What great authority is authorized to make such a decision? How could they make such a determination? Who then would "police" this authority?
What persons or agencies hold such power? By what authority? Have we the people granted this power to anyone? Has it been assumed by anyone?
Military commanders and agency heads can be immediately terminated and I know of no elected official that holds such power. Furthermore if the assassination occured as concluded by the WC and HSCA, why would there be anything that needs concealment?
I fully understand the "checks and balances" theory but nothing here seems to apply.
Who knows, other than the President himself, what he NEEDS TO KNOW? If not the President, then WHO IS IN CHARGE of this country? Were they saying that the U.S. President does not have a high enough security clearance?
I truly request your replies. I feel that the ramifications of this are enormous.
Charlie Black
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Right on Mark!
Through ingeniously clever and consistent political maneuvering, the Kennedy Brothers accomplished quite a political feat! They united the Yankees and the Cowboys! Is there any potential enemy that they missed?
Charlie Black
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Hi Tim
Yes someone did say that! That is why Hoover would not have dared to release sexual info on the Kennedys.
Pay back is hell! I don't think that Edgar wanted to go out being remembered as the transvestite "queen" of the dignified Bureau that he had created and so loved.
Also as 42 years have proven, there wasn't much risk!
Charlie Black
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The following is my theory of the JFK assassination conspiracy. I am not an avid enough typist to go into great detail but I will outline my basic thoughts. In semi defense of my theory I would first like to state, that to the best of my knowledge, I am not certifiably insane, and I do realize that there are a "FEW" flaws!
After over some thirty years of looking pretty seriously into the evidence of this crime against all humanity, I have grown to believe, or as some might say, I have digressed to believe, a theory that is not particularly popular among most researchers. I very strongly believe that we, the people of the world, have allowed ourselves to be duped into believing that for such an act to have been commited against the bold and gallant knight who, not only was President of the United States, but the symbollic leader of the entire free world, it had to be the result of a conspiracy of enormous magnitude. Of such magnitude, that we have allowed ourselves to be buried, by those conspirators, in a sea of inky minutae in which we have for a long time been mired.
Many believe that this monstrous web of conspirators must at least include CIA, ONI, SS, FBI, NSA, Dallas Police, Cuba, Cuban exiles, USSR, Mafia, Corsican Mafia, the U.S. Army, Navy & Air Force, the DIA, OAS, the British Govt., the Govt. of Israel and possibly Miss Monica Lewinsky! Anything of this scale could not be solved. It also could not possibly have occured.
But please don't get me wrong. I definitely believe there was a conspiracy to murder and an on going conspiracy to cover and that LHO was `involved' in both. Involved yes, but as a pawn.
Despite the opinion of many, much more learned researchers than myself, I don't feel that the plan and the shooting went very well at all. Not military sharpshooters---- who would have set it up in a "no miss" scenario. Not Mafia thugs -- the Mafia couldn't absorb that type of exposure. Nor could Cuba, Cuban exiles nor the USSR.
Knowing the investigation would be handled only by the DPD and select Hoover Agency elements, the DPD and some of their criminal contacts could have been the shooters. With a little outside help with identity and escape it would never have been extremely high risk.
I believe that this conspiracy was Texas born, Texas bred, Texas fed and Texas executed! It was Texas born with the planning of the moneyed elite in the Texas oil business and the Texas defense industry. There were also other motives, but prime were both the issues regarding oil depletion allowance and defense contracts which of course would prosper with either conflict extension or war in general. We are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars!!
We are also talking about J.Edgar, who not only would remain for life as director of the investigating authority, but a J.Edgar who had ties to and was indebted to the mafia, but also had strong affiliations with the likes of Pawley, Martino, Angleton, William Harvey, Nixon, Hunt, both Dulles's, Secret Service heads,and the Texas "Big Boys". And standing there was the clincher. The man who would not only avoid disgrace and probably a jail sentence, but as icing on the cake, he would achieve his life long ambition and become arguably the most "POWERFUL" man in the world.
Who would oppose this plan? The CIA which Kennedy was already beginning to shred into a thousand pieces? The JCS who thought Kennedy too weak to pull the trigger? The Secret Service who knew much that they did not like? The State Dept. who was constantly being end sweeped?
It would be very easy to say that the Kennedy's had made few friends but some of the most powerful enemies in the country. Actually all of the most powerful enemies in the country. Enemies with Money, Motive, and endless power. I,try as I might, cannot elude the old principle of FOLLOW THE MONEY, BECAUSE THE MONEY IS THE POWER.
Regarding Jack Ruby. I strongly do not believe that the Mafia would have used Mr. Rubenstein for anything that required trust and for other obvious reasons, just as they would in no way have allowed individuals such as Nicolletti, Roselli or Files anywhere near the scene. If anything, they wanted absolutely low profile after the murder.
I do believe however that the DPD would have used Mr. Ruby. With the promise of mistrials, acquitals, possibly justifiable homicide, temp. insanity and a bushel of money from the bottomless pockets of the planners.
Now to Oswald and Tippit.
I, of course do not believe that LHO was a lone gunman and most probably not a gunman at all. But I do believe that he was in over his head in a situation that it was meant for him to not understand. It was not until JFK was shot in the head that he realized that he had been "patsied". His pre planned escape transport did not materialize and he at this time realized that he had been abandoned and set up for the kill. This is when panic must have set in. He realized that he had no money, no transportation, no self protection and not one friend! It had to be a near crazed LHO that tried to appear to be calmly making his way home. A very confused young man who in less than five minutes rushed into his house, changed clothes, armed himself with an old pistol and rushed out of the house, possibly responding to the beep of a police car horn that was perhaps a part of a contingency plan that he didn't know whether to trust or not.
At this point, one of two things happened. 1) He was confronted by officer Tippit and fearful for his life, shot him and then as Johnny Brewer reported, darted into the Texas Theatre in panic. 2) Had no confrontation with Tippit and very early was in the Texas Theatre, hoping that he was wrong about being patsied, and hoping to meet an ally according to a contingency plan. He would have had no idea that an LHO impersonator would lead the police to him. With either scenario, when confronted by police he had no option but to fight. He drew his pistol and entered the halls of infamy.
Thanks for indulging me.
Charlie Black
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Hello Mike Tribe
Unfortunately Mike, the gray areas are where the real problems lie. Those problems that have anguished and in many cases destroyed or disrupted the lives of many of those who involuntarily had to face them.
The obvious "black and white" as you refer to them, if they are in fact that obvious, are not the problem. But often what seems black and white in those cool reflective moments of reason, well after and removed from the fact, may often have seemed much less defined amidst the anguish, total gut wrenching fear and panic of a very disturbing moment in time.
It is kind of like being an armchair quarterback. After watching a football game, I could probably tell you precisely what, let's say Bret Favre, did wrong. He could even tell you better than I could. But that doesn't mean if that moment could be played over again in exactly the same manner, that he neccessarily would have done the "right thing".
In my life, that which I have been able to define as black or white has been of litle problem. But that vast area of varying shades of gray has been troubling enough to have colored my hair in the same way!
Charlie Black
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Illegal Orders!
This is a term that I have heard very much of in recent years. But while I was a U.S. military officer, no one ever instructed me that there was such a thing. At what point does a subordinate feel, knowing that information must be witheld from him as a result of the "need to know" principle which is in force in every tactical war time military operation, that he has enough information to refuse an order in combat. His refusal to carry out, for example, an order involving his 100 troops, regardless of how revolting the order may be, could result in the death of possibly thousands of other troops who proceeded with a plan that was dependent on his units successful accomplishment. Is he a WAR CRIMINAL if he carries out his initial repulsive orders which might have involved crimes against mankind, or is he a WAR CRIMINAL if his deliberate disobedience of a war time military order cost the lives of possibly thousands of friendly troops? It is easy during the heat of battle to do what would normally be considered "dastardly deeds" in an effort to maintain your life and those whose lives are entrusted to your best judgement.
I don't have the time, nor really the inclination, to delve too deeply in this most complex subject. There is one brief example that might shed a little light on a very frequent combat situation. Suppose that you receive orders to carry out a very important covert operation behind enemy lines. In the event your unit is engaged by the enemy en route, you are told of course, even tho you already would probably know, that you could take no prisoners. Prisoners would absolutely prevent mission accomplishment. When you kill these prisoners, are you and your men war criminals? Why or why not? Was it a "LEGAL ORDER"? Did you really have an option? Was the Colonel who gave the order a war criminal, or were the criminals just those who executed it?
This can easily become a problem infintessimal. Is there really a right and wrong in the context of war or is it really---to the victors go the spoils and to the losers all the soils. I think that in very many cases it is that force, which is within each of us, that must determine in our own minds and souls that invisible but very real line that cannot be crossed.
We must never forget that the enemy also thinks that God is on his side!
Charlie Black
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Cyril Wecht once stated [ I am searching for the statement ] so I will, with your permission, pararphrase. He stated that in his opinion the JFK murder would not be solved until the researchers turned their minds and their investigations "away from Dealey Plaza". I take this to mean that the only solution will come from the investigation of the improprieties in the case which began immediately after the arrest of LHO by the DPD. The immediate and subsequent improprieties by both action and word of this law enforcement body and the Dallas D.A. which was soon followed by J.Edgar Hoover's take over of the case. Upon Hoover's take over, all investigation by any other body was officially closed forever. By Hoovers "pronouncement" immediately of Oswalds guilt, the case was in fact CLOSED!
I personally further take Mr. Wecht's statement to mean, that the names of the gunmen, their locations, the number of shots fired, their means of escape or the "botched by military directive" autopsy will not solve the case.
I am personally in complete agreement, if this is what Mr. Wecht meant, and I feel certain that it is, that the solution must be found by working in reverse from the very obvious cover up. The cover up which began with the FBI takeover and the pronouncements of Hoover, whom at the time was in the opinion of a vast majority of the American public, the father figure force behind American justice. The confidence of the majority was further strengthened by the appointment by the President of The United States, within a few days of the assassination, of what seemed to be a panel of some of the most honorable and well known men in the country who were to be led by no one less honorable than the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
If I have interpreted Mr. Wecht correctly, it is from here, and in reverse, that the solution should be sought. The answer to me seems to lie in exactly who was in total control of what essential figures. The motive, if needed, is the guiding force behind any major takeover, be it corporate or political----Power and Control-----and yes, Money is interwoven. Charlie Black
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Wonderful photos! Have saved!
Charlie Black
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When this book was published, and every day since, I have not been able to get the alteration premise out of my mind. I, as I suppose most of you, have been confounded by the "when and how" this could have occured. Tho I am unable to piece it together, my mind continues to wander back to something that I found confusing even on 11/22/63. Have any of you thought that the delayed take off of AF 1, so that LBJ could be sworn in, was a delaying tactic that may have had something to do with body and coffin transfer?
It astounds me that if LBJ truly thought that the assassination may have been a prelude to an Soviet nuclear attack, that he would not have been airborne post haste. The swearing in ceremony during dire circumstances was certainly not constitutionally required. Proof that he was alive and competent to perform his duties was, at this time, all that was absolutely neccessary. This process seemed to me, even then, to be surreal and somewhat absurd. Charlie Black
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Dallas Texas, 22 Nov. 1963.
In police custody is a young, confused 24 year old who was arrested for comitting what may very well have been one of the most significant crimes in the history of mankind. He was suspected of being a double murderer of which one of his alledged victims was the President of the United States. Available to assist the Dallas PD immediately with nearly every resource then available were: the Dallas DA, the Dallas office of the FBI, the Dallas based Secret Service and various local military intelligence detachments.
The Dallas Police felt that they had eyewitness identification of this suspect comitting both the murder of Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit and President John F. Kennedy. A rifle alledgedly belonging to him was found concealed on the sixth floor of the TSBD building where the suspect had been working that morning. It was from an open window on this floor that reported shots had been fired which appeared to have struck both the President and Texas Governor John Connely. This suspect later reportedly strenously resisted arrest in a local theatre, pulling a .38 cal. revolver which he alledgedly attempted to fire before being restrained. The suspect had been under observation for some time as a suspected Castro supporter.
He furthermore was a dishonorably discharged Marine who not only had defected to the Soviet Union, but who had publicly announced that he was willing to make available to them any classified military information which he had knowledge of. The defector two years later returned to the U.S. with a Russian wife and child. His wife had been reared by her uncle, a fairly high ranking officr in what some thought to be the KGB. As if this was not enough, our suspect engaged openly in linking himself to pro Castro organizatons.
We must realize now how absolutely important it was for the interrogation of this man to be handled in the most careful and professional manner. Available to assist were expert psychologically trained interrogators and experts in this field that could have been made available at the request of the police. It would have been possible to obtain the highest level of equipment and personnel from organizations that ranged from the FBI, appx twelve different intelligence agencies, the US Military, the JCS, the NSC, the U.S. Congress, the Dept. of Justice and up to the office of the President.
Now what you and I are called upon to believe is that with all of these assets available, that this prime suspect murderer of the most powerful man in the world was interrogated from Friday thru Sunday, without the benefit of a tape recorder which the police claimed was unavailable. Also no stenographer or court reporter. It should be obvious that a recorder could have been purchased in thirty minutes. My family had one!. If nothing else, there were dozens of media reporters all over the DPD who had sound equipped movie cameras one of which could surely been borrowed or confiscated.
Do you perhaps believe that these sessions were recorded but were subsequently hidden or destroyed because of their content. Am I to believe that SA Hosty really reported to Hoover that there were three days of interrogations but no one thought that it was important to take notes or to record them? Even from the standpoint of law enforcement, if anyone thought that this case would go to trial, do you not think that they would want proof that the invstigation was properly handled?
Many people seem to think of the year 1963 as so long ago that there was perhaps a lack of technology. Let me just mention that in the year 1963, the US had equipment so sophisticated that it was sound tracking effectively and precisely Soviet submarines at depth in all of the oceans of the world. There were fighter planes with speeds in excess of Mach II. Reconnaissance aircraft were flying across the breadth of Russia at altitudes in excess of 90,000 ft. and taking pin point photographs of hundreds of thousands of square miles of enemy territory.
Do you truly believe that this suspect's interrogations were unrecorded due to the unavailability of a cheap recording machine? Prior to this period of time, please don't forget that there were recordings of certain govt. officials in bed with movie stars.
If anyone can believe this scenario----THE SINGLE BULLET THEORY IS A SNAP. Charlie Black
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Good Morning Jim and Shanet
My theories always seem to flow at a much lower altitude than do yours. I do not feel that it would take a Walker / Taylor confluence to establish a "lone nut patsy" having the credentials of an LHO. Perhaps a dead Castro supporter would have better filled the bill for the desired results. My experience is that intricate planning need not be and in fact should not be paticularly complicated. That is why tho I have seriously studied Armstrong's "Harvey and Lee", I can see no need for a plan this complicated to have been meticulously arranged and carried out over so many years, and fraught with so many very potential, even probable, pitfalls necessary for the placement of one very low level defector within the Soviet Union.
I feel that when planning reaches this stratospheric level, and it too often does, that which is accomplished in too many instances is "overkill". Why fly Mach II at 40,000 ft. if you can be as well served subsonically at 10,000 ft. with much less risk? The simpler the plan, the less built in error. Sophistication is not a requisite for success. Do you wonder how a plan, that was theoretically so well construed with the availability of unlimited gray matter, money and resources did not affect its goal? The goal needed to be a one shot kill from a non surviving "patsy". No multiple gunmen---no conspiracy! Yes a one shot kill from a gunman who at the time of the fatal shot should have already been in the gunsight of one of the President's many protectors. A one shot kill fired at an approaching target at very close range from a rifle that had been reconditioned to the point that it could accomplish it's goal. There are very sound reasons for "overkill" to be avoided. Without overkill, there is no conpiracy---no Jack Ruby-- no Mafia---no Warren Commission. There would be only a thorough and very competent Texas autopsy and a Texas murder investigation that pointed only to this heinous lone nut.
You very well may be absolutely correct. It appears to me that the planning may well have occured at a very high level. Too high a level and with too many contingency plans and plausible denials built in. This has often happened during military engagements when planning is attempted at a level far up the command chain and too far removed from the engagement. Plan specifics should be handled at ground zero. Charlie Black
Judyth Baker
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Hi James
Agree with you in part regarding "need to know" however....we must consider the possibility that, tho the killing of the beard was an agency project, the idea of injecting him with cancer cells may have begun at the bottom and worked its way up!
Charlie Black