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Dr. David Mantik responds to and educates SKEPTIC publisher (and new found friend of Dave Reitzes) Michael Shermer--see below
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[cut to the chase]- In any case, five different government investigations—along with countless private inquiries—have concluded that the evidence overwhelmingly points toward Oswald as the lone assassin.
Reply: Shermer apparently has not read that brilliant piece by Dr. Gary Aguilar and Kathy Cunningham: “How Five Investigations into JFK’s Medical Autopsy Evidence Got It Wrong.”
Apparently neither David Mantik nor Michael Shermer have ever made the simple observation that the holes in JFK's clothing are too low to have been associated with the throat wound, which had to come from the front given that undisputed fact.
Experts quoting other experts = the JFK Assassination Porn Industry.
Cliff, evidently you are way behind the times when it comes to Dr. Mantik and his contributions to this case...
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"Cliff seems to think that I never commented on the throat wound! OMG!
Please refer him to my critique of John McAdams: http://www.ctka.net/reviews/McAdams_Mantik.htmlOR: He can read Murder in Dealey Plaza. See pages 252-260 (about the back wound and the throat wound)OR: He can scan my very recent review of that entertaining NOVA show: http://www.ctka.net/2013/nova.html "<DM quote off>Time to wake up, Cliff! -
you also forgot Mr. Shermer probably had to construct this article before a lunchtime deadline..
He probably gets punched in the face at parties all the time too.
"The Warren Commission report was shallow? At 880 pages, I wonder what would be considered deep."
This is what I call the "quantity" qualifier....regardless of the "quality", the "quantity" decides it's merit.
you see this example of bad logic in things like "but Britney Spears sold 50 million records! she must be good!"
more rolls of toilet paper are sold per day, more sticks of deoderant...
ignoring the "quality" of the actual material is key with these types..because that would bring them closer to reality and that isn't where they like to hang out.
thanks tons for that post David..
DMantik emailed me a few moments ago, said he had a few 'minor' tweaks to his above response, which will be posted to CTKA sometime the next few hours...
And you're welcome, Blair.
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Dr. David Mantik responds to and educates SKEPTIC publisher (and new found friend of Dave Reitzes) Michael Shermer--see below
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Anti-Conspiracy theories: Why the media (and Shermer) believe the implausible.
In the JFK assassination, why do the media refuse to accept the overwhelmingly obvious conclusion that Oswald was framed?
Michael Shermer is the publisher of Skeptic, to which I once subscribed. Skeptic has printed at least two pieces that favor a JFK conspiracy, but now Shermer paradoxically promotes the lone gunman theory. Ironically, for that case in particular, he has dropped his pretense of skepticism.Shermer purports to explain away a JFK conspiracy via psychology. However, if this notion is logically extrapolated, no one (not even the judicial system—nor even string theorists) would ever need to consult any facts, i.e., merely identifying an author’s motives would suffice to discern the truth. But what is good for the conspiracist is good for the anti-conspiracist—perhaps some day Shermer will reveal what deep psychology motivates his own persistent obfuscation of the JFK case.
Shermer believes that conspiracy theories offer tidy and simple-minded explanations. But what could be more simple-minded than Oswald as a lone gunman?
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Shermer claims that we have had a surfeit of documentaries favoring conspiracy; on the contrary, in my three decades of observing this event, we have never had such a deluge of mainstream support for Oswald. See my critique of just one of these—on NOVA.)
He claims that evidence points toward Oswald. For once, he is correct. Unfortunately, nearly all of it is suspect. An itemized demolition of these fraudulent claims has come from a fellow Wisconsin Badger. Is Shermer truly ignorant of all this soiled laundry? Moreover, this is hardly the first case in history of misleading evidence. The French had their own Dreyfuss Affair, where virtually all the “official evidence” pointed toward an innocent man. And the Lincoln assassination was a lone gunman case before additional evidence emerged. Even in Watergate, the evidence of conspiracy only evolved across time.
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A conspiracy, by definition, requires only two persons. Given the pervasive tendency of humans to socialize, that is the natural state of human affairs. Most curiously, the original meaning of conspiracy theory was neutral. Only since the mid-1960s (suspiciously right after the JFK assassination) did it become a term of ridicule. It is now a term of derision, whose sole purpose is promptly to strangle any serious examination of the evidence. Oddly enough, The Paranoid Style in American Politics (by Richard Hofstadter), was first published in Harper’s Magazine on the first anniversary of the JFK assassination—in November 1964.
Michael Parenti has observed that even the CIA is, by definition—via its covert actions and secret plans—a conspiracy. Ambassador David K. E. Bruce, in his formal report on the CIA to President Eisenhower, disclosed the devastating impact these conspiracies had on US foreign policy. Even the Mafia (by its very nature) believes in conspiracies.
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James Fox of Time magazine describes most Wall Street traders as conspiracy-minded; he adds that most good investigative reporters are also conspiracy theorists. For conspiracy theorists in this JFK case, see my long list (with supporting documentation). Here are several: Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, John Connally, J. Edgar Hoover, John McCone, David Atlee Phillips, Robert Tanenbaum, James Rowley, George Burkley, Jesse Curry, Roy Kellerman, Evelyn Lincoln, Richard Russell, Bertrand Russell, G. Robert Blakey, and Robert Kennedy, Jr.
Cass Sunstein, in a 2008 paper, offered his own remedies for conspiracy theories; he proposed infiltrating them to cause internal disruption. In other words, his response to conspiracy theories was to propose a conspiracy of his own. Several years ago, I send him a rebuttal. I am still waiting for his reply.
My own view of the JFK assassination has evolved from mere belief into actual knowledge. Based on my seeing (on nine different occasions) the JFK artifacts at the National Archives, I now know that the JFK skull X-rays are copies, not originals, and that the mysterious 6.5 mm bullet-like fragment (supposedly at the back of the skull) was added to the X-ray in the darkroom, merely to incriminate the supposed weapon—a 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano.
On November 22, 2013, I met with James Jenkins, who had been Dr. Boswell’s technician at the JFK autopsy. He confirmed my conclusion (based on hundreds of data points via optical densitometry on the extant JFK skull X-rays)—that the images of the brain in the National Archives are fraudulent. But this was no surprise; after all, the official autopsy photographer, John Stringer, had long ago disavowed these photographs as those he took.
David W. Mantik earned his Ph.D. in physics at Wisconsin and his M.D. at Michigan. He is Board Certified in radiation oncology by the American Board of Radiology. A former fellow of the American Cancer Society and director of residency training in radiation oncology at Loma Linda University, he has also used proton beams to cure cancer.
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“A reliable way to make people believe in falsehoods is frequent repetition, because familiarity is not easily distinguished from truth.”
“It is the consistency of the information that matters for a good story, not its completeness. Indeed, you will often find that knowing little makes it easier to fit everything you know into a coherent pattern.”
“The confidence that individuals have in their beliefs depends mostly on the quality of the story they can tell about what they see, even if they see very little. We often fail to allow for the possibility that evidence that should be critical to our judgment is missing—what [you] see is all there is (WYSIATI).”
“They didn’t want more information that might spoil their story.”
--Thinking Fast and Slow (2011) by Daniel Kahneman--
(Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences for his seminal work in psychology)
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Postscript: A Rebuttal from Shermer (and the Los Angeles Times)
Before my critique had even been submitted to the Los Angeles Times, Shermer had already struck back. Here is what the Times printed on Saturday, November 30, 2013 (p. A15).
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Facts or Conspiracies?
Almost all of the readers who responded to Michael Shermer’s Op-Ed article Tuesday didn’t buy his idea that psychology helps to explain why JFK assassination theories persist. Reader Stephany Yablow of North Hollywood wrote:
“J. Edgar Hoover came up with the lone-gunman scenario within 24 hours of the assassination as a cover-up. Lyndon Johnson backed it, demanding that the case be closed quickly.
“The Warren Commission was political window dressing. It failed to thoroughly investigate, interview witnesses and experts and conduct forensic studies. It produced a shallow report.
“Maybe people would believe the lone-gunman theory if Jack Ruby didn’t waltz into the jail and kill Lee Harvey Oswald; hence, the theory that someone directed Ruby to do so. There must have been at least two people (the requisite number of actors to define a ‘conspiracy’). If the lone-gunman proponents had a better answer, they haven’t convinced us yet.”
Michael Shermer responds:
Note by Mantik: Misleading statements so densely infest this manifesto that each opinion is itemized, followed by my comments. Shermer’s words are in italics.
- The Warren Commission report was shallow? At 880 pages, I wonder what would be considered deep.
Reply (based on the work of Walt Brown): Of the 488 witnesses who testified, only 93 did so in the presence of any of the seven members of the Commission. Here is the scorecard: Earl Warren--93, Allen Dulles--70, Gerald Ford --60, John Sherman Cooper--50, John McCloy--35, Hale Boggs--20, and Richard Russell--6. What value would be placed on a judicial proceeding in an American courtroom in which the prosecutors, the defense attorneys, or certain jurors just came and went as they pleased? Furthermore, anyone who has even glanced at these volumes quickly recognizes that trivia and irrelevancies populate the pages, but critical witnesses are often studiously avoided. Insofar as a “deep” analysis, one example is Douglas Horne’s five volume set: Inside the Assassination Records Review Board. Horne’s book is 1880 pages. (The Warren Report is actually 888 pages.) Another would be Walt Brown’s Chronology of the JFK Assassination.
- In any case, five different government investigations—along with countless private inquiries—have concluded that the evidence overwhelmingly points toward Oswald as the lone assassin.
Reply: Shermer apparently has not read that brilliant piece by Dr. Gary Aguilar and Kathy Cunningham: “How Five Investigations into JFK’s Medical Autopsy Evidence Got It Wrong.” Insofar as private investigations, Shermer likewise seems hopelessly lost—the vast majority favor conspiracy. (See his last statement here, which implies that he does know this.)
- Oswald’s Carcano rifle with his fingerprints on it was found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
Reply: The weapon (actually a carbine, not a rifle) in evidence is not the one ordered by LHO. The Commission states that he used a coupon from the February 1963 issue of The American Rifleman (but this ad does not appear in the Commission). The ad is for a 36” Carcano weighing 5.5#. The weapon in evidence is supposedly 42” and weighs 8# (with sling and site). The first weapon reported in the Texas School Book Depository was a 7.65 German Mauser; Eugene Boone filed two separate reports to this effect, and Seymour Weitzman filed a confirming affidavit. Boone later testified that Captain Fritz and Lt. Day also identified it as a Mauser. The weapon in evidence, however, clearly reads “Made in Italy” and “Cal, 6.5”.” Furthermore, no one has explained why a wannabe assassin would purchase a weapon by money order through the mail— instead of paying cash locally (with no trace of ownership). In addition, on the supposed purchase date (March 12), Oswald was at work from 8 AM to 12:15 PM (see Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong for company employee records). If the post office records can be believed, LHO walked 11 blocks to the General Post Office, purchased a money order, but then did not mail it from there. Instead, he walked many bocks out of his way (eventually using a mailbox) before returning to work, where his absence was not noted. This order then arrived the very next day at Klein’s (in Chicago)—and was already deposited at the bank that same day! Unfortunately, the bank deposit actually reads February 15, 1963—not March 13, 1963. Of course, if the date really had been February, then the serial number C2766 could not apply to the weapon in the backyard photographs. For even more anomalies on the MC see Parkland Reclaimed by Jim DiEugenio.
Insofar as fingerprints go, none were initially found on the weapon. Only after a visit by federal agents to the morgue, where Oswald was fingerprinted—according to the mortician, did a palm print appear on the weapon. Moreover, during the last several decades much doubt has been cast on fingerprint evidence in general; see my review of John McAdams’s book.
- Three bullet casings there match what 80% of eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza reported hearing: three shots.
Reply: The initial report described only two casings. The so-called Magic Bullet (which should have matched the casings) could not be identified at Parkland Hospital by the man who handled the actual bullet. Josiah Thompson (a private detective) and Dr. Gary Aguilar have demolished the chain of possession for this bastard bullet. Regarding witnesses, a long list of them reported that the final two shots were very close together, much too close for the Mannlicher-Carcano.
- It was the same rifle Oswald purchased in March 1963, which he then used the following month in an attempt to assassinate the rabidly anti-communist Army Maj. Gen. Edwin Walker.
Reply: Walker denied that Oswald had shot at him. The bullet was not matched to any weapon owned by Oswald. At the time of the event, the Dallas Morning News reported a 30.06 bullet. (Of course, the Warren Report omitted this.) A witness, Kirk Coleman, saw two men, but neither was Oswald. A photograph of a car behind Walker’s house turned up at Ruth Paine’s house and was ascribed to Oswald. While the police had that photograph, the license plate disappeared from the back of the car. However, Chief Curry’s book (1969) contains a photograph of Oswald’s possessions, including that Walker photograph. In that version, the license plate is intact—which strongly implies that the police had cut it out of the other one.
- Co-workers saw Oswald on the sixth floor of the depository shortly before JFK’s motorcade arrived, and saw him exit soon after the assassination.
Reply: Oswald worked in the building and might well have been seen there. But Shermer fails to tell us when he was seen there. The only witness the Commission could round up was Howard Brennan, who had poor eyesight; he could not identify Oswald in a line-up later that same day. Furthermore, the window in the sniper’s nest was partly closed, making it virtually impossible for Brennan to get a good look at the man’s face. Arnold Rowland and Carolyn Walther saw a man with a rifle, but neither identified Oswald. Furthermore, both said they saw two men! Within 90 seconds of the shooting, Roy Truly spotted Oswald drinking a coke in the second floor lunch room. Victoria Adams walked down the same stairs (from the fifth floor) right after the shooting and did not see Oswald.
- Oswald went home and picked up his pistol and left again, shortly after which he was stopped by Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit, whom Oswald shot dead with four bullets.
Reply: “The official story of the Tippit killing is full of holes.” McBride has devoted most of his book (and much of his life) to the Tippit case. If Shermer truly likes long books (as he claimed about the Warren Report), then he will love this book (662 pages). It is mostly devoted to the Tippit case. The author firmly denies that Oswald shot Tippit. Has Shermer done as much research on this as has McBride?
- He then ducked into a nearby theater without paying, which resulted in a police confrontation.
Reply: Theater employee Warren Burroughs said that Oswald went to the balcony. A police dispatcher (at 1:46 PM) stated that Oswald was in the balcony. However, Oswald was arrested on the main floor. Bernard Haire saw a second man (who was flushed, as though he had been in a struggle) leave the rear of the theater and then be placed into a police car. Until Haire saw Oliver Stone’s film, he had always thought that he had seen Oswald’s arrest. Can Shermer explain any of this?
- Two days later, Oswald was himself assassinated by a pro-Kennedy nightclub owner named Jack Ruby, who said his motive was “saving Mrs. Kennedy the discomfiture of coming back to trial.” Thousands more pieces of evidence all converge to the unmistakable conclusion that Oswald acted alone.
Reply: Does Shermer truly know more than these legal minds, which were deeply immersed in the case? (None of them believed in a lone gunman.)
Senator Richard Russell, member of the Warren Commission John McCloy, member of the Warren Commission Rep. Hale Boggs, member of the Warren Commission Senator John Sherman Cooper, member of the Warren Commission Rep. Henry Gonzalez, chair of the HSCA Rep. Don Edwards, chair of the HSCA Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel for the HSCA Robert Tanenbaum, Chief Counsel for the HSCA Richard A. Sprague, Chief Counsel for the HSCA Gary Cornwell Deputy Chief Counsel for the HSCA
- In the 50 years since, conspiracy fabulists have concocted more than 300 different people and organizations allegedly involved in the assassination, and yet not one line of evidence conclusively supports any of these suspects. It’s time to move on and let JFK R.I.P.
Reply: If Shermer had paid any attention to JFK books or meetings during the past year, he would know that the evidence of a cover-up by federal agencies is now overwhelming. Instead, he has responded like an automaton, programmed to recite the Commission’s dogmas. He even evades the last official government investigation (the HSCA), which declared a probable JFK conspiracy. We might well ask: What about history? For example, what if the Dreyfuss affair had simply been left to lie dormant? Or what if the Lincoln assassination had never been pursued—or if no investigation had been done into Watergate, or into Iran-Contra, or into BCCI? What then Mr. Shermer?
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Folks,
I am but a guest at your forum, but a little transparency would be appreciated.
Dave
oh-brother..... LMAO!
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1.) Government Still Withholding Thousands of Documents
2.) RFK saw conspiracy in JFK's assassination
If you have trouble viewing those, or if The Boston Globe wants you to subscribe first, then just go to my www.justiceforkennedy.blogspot.com site
Joe Backes
great job getting this out, Joe! posted to alt.conspiracy.jfk 11.25.2013
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Here is what I wrote on October 8, 2013, in a reply on a forum topic:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20511
Months ago I was informed that there was a second video, long suppressed, of the actual assassination that would be released by the Intelligence Community before November 22, 2013. I was told the video showed Frank Sturgis as a shooter and Howard Hunt as his spotter on Dealey Plaza. Such a video being “found” and released 50 years after the event would could uproar and raise the obvious question why the Intelligence Community kept it secret for such a long time. So I concluded that if such a video does exist and if it is released publicly, the Intelligence Community would have to find an acceptable conduit to handle its sudden emergence.
Edited by Douglas Caddy, 08 October 2013 - 04:08 PM.
I'm sure you mean "film" as opposed to video. In 1963 handheld video cameras were a ways off. In fact, quite aways off.
- Quadruplex videotape (1955): Developed formally by Ampex, this was the recording standard for 20 years. Broadcast programming media standard. 2" videotape
- U-matic (1971): Tape format created by Sony (and others) to record via handheld video camera via attached bundled cable, AVrecording unit. 3/4" videotape
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Thank you Barry... a moving tribute.
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don't get me wrong Chris,
I'd love nothing more than something like this to surface and be credible...but pay close attention the the way the article is written and worded...
"A Texas real-estate developer is in possession of footage of John F. Kennedy's motorcade from that fateful day in Dallas that he believes supports the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone."
"Whether or not the footage is genuine isn't yet known"
"decided the time was right to sell the footage, which reportedly depicts a second shooter, to the highest bidder"
" it's said to show a second shooter hiding in the bushes along the route the presidential motorcade"
so, a cash grabbing slum lord has been showing this blurry footage in his basement?
is it the original or a copy?
what format is it?
sounds like a plaster cast to me..
if this were reputable, it would read like so:
"Texas Real Estate Developer Jimmy P Bumbertoots says the 45 second 16mm color film shows a man on the south side of....as the car rounds the corner of......as Kennedy is waving..."
this says nothing really.
that they report on this without seeing it is...well...interesting..
next stop, EBAY......
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CYRIL WECHT CLEANS POSNER CLOCK ON ANDERSON COOPER 360!
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And yet Wecht, in his passionate arguments, continues to make it seem as if the WC test bullets were an exact duplication of what CE399 is said to have done.
unfortunately, up till today you have not been able to attain measurable support for the 1964 WC, lone nut, Single Magic Bullet, LHO did it all by his lonesome theory (excepting wing-nut authors whom were paid kings ransom to write nonsense, of course). To think after all these years. The WCR was fraud in '64, it is today. No amount of disinfo will change that.
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And finally, I emailed Posner from his website last week, asking him again about the recordings, and as of this date have not heard back from him.
So if anyone has any information as to Posner's claims of recording Boswell and Tague - once again thanks for sharing the information
perhaps emailing his attorney Mark Lane with your request will prompt an answer. Probably one you won't like.
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He also suggested that Kennedy's demands that the CIA adjust its classification system for unknown aerial objects, in an attempt to prevent confusion caused by UFOs being mistaken for Russian ICBMs, could have been another factor which caused his assassination.
now THAT'S a new one... "CIA and classification of unknown aerial objects."
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Oswald was an agent. plain and simple.
If he wasn't, I'd be wallpapering my bathroom with his tax records today.
BINGO.... btw, would those records carry an insulation rating at R13, 20 or 30?
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No one is going anywhere.
unfortunately Vince, for the near future, you're correct!
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Suffice it to say, I do not believe that Oswald, who there is no proof had sniper training, or ever owned another rifle with a scope or, for that matter, there is any evidence he had more than minimal experience hunting, could have sighted in the Model 38/91 Carcano with the side mounted scope.
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I have no idea what Oswald's personal weapon was as a radar operator. Does anyone know?
probably the M1 Garand
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Wonder if they also took a picture of THIS guy....
DJ
too embarrassed to put the arrest time in the document?
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GM, wittingly or unwittingly, is now a "tool" for the CIA handlers that invested in the Sixth Floor Museum so they could continue to suppress the truth.
What he did in the past was admirable, what he's doing now is a sellout - but in this job market, it's probably the best gig ex-CT'ers can get.
PS - see my "personal quote" below
The 6th Floor Museum has become a shrine. A shrine to murder. How many tickets will be sold today, tomorrow, the entire weekend?
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Where New JFK Evidence Points
November 19, 2013
By Jim DiEugenio
Consortiumnews.com
http://consortiumnews.com/2013/11/19/where-new-jfk-evidence-points/
from Jim D's article:
"Another one of the declassified files – the records of the Sec/Def meeting of May 1963 – revealed that Oliver Stone was correct in another facet of his movie. President Kennedy was planning to withdraw from Vietnam, a decision that – if not reversed by President Johnson – might have dramatically changed the course of U.S. history."
Great to have a cite for the above.... --Thanks Jim and Doug.
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I have a question for Mary Woodward," lest we forget" WHAT, Mary?
Thanks.
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what is "kinda sad" is the way people manipulate and cherrypick information and then present that as "fact".
Sounds more like the conspiracy theorists' M.O. to me.
And 'round and 'round we go.
ahh and the ol Blowhard Posner and his "Closet Closed" link... Classic...
If you prefer Bugliosi, McAdams, Reitzes, Myers, Nizer, Bill Buckley, or Jim Moore -- I've got plenty from those people too.
Just more silly LN "blowhards", right Blair?
you are finally catching on: LN blowhards--EXACTLY! But you need to add on little word: PAID.
And of course, add your name to the list too! 'Tis the season to be generous, after-all.
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Now how about an official remastered DVD set?
You mean you're willing to settle for just DVD?! Why not a high-def Blu-ray set, complete with behind-the-scenes footage of Kennedy's "practice" conferences prior to each live TV news conference?
Let's go the whole nine yards.
your fixation with Kennedy is telling.
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Why did Josiah Thompson participate in such a show?
Hi Don,
I, too, wonder why in the world Josiah Thompson participated in the "Cold Case JFK" broadcast?
None of his commentary did anything at all to advance his conspiratorial beliefs. I wonder if half his stuff was cut out?
Overall, the "Cold Case" program was pretty good, IMO. And I always find it interesting to take note of the fact that whenever one of these "forensic" type of analytical shows is done about the JFK case, the end result is always the same: The science always ends up supporting and buttressing the Single-Bullet Theory and the general idea that Lee Harvey Oswald could most certainly have pulled off the assassination by himself with that "crummy" $21 mail-order Mannlicher-Carcano. The same results were obtained in the very similar program aired in 2004, "JFK: Beyond The Magic Bullet".
In short, science and forensics supports the "Lone Nut" and "Single-Bullet Theory" scenarios.
Always has. Always will.
How come some[one] does not make a cartoon of JFK getting shot twice from the front - in the neck and in the head?
Probably because if someone were to do that--while trying to stick to the facts of the case--their cartoon would end up looking as silly and unreasonable as a Road Runner cartoon.
And I'm wondering why it is, Robert, that you aren't bothered at all (it would seem) by the complete lack of bullets in John Kennedy's body. Why is that?
Am I supposed to just ignore the fact that President Kennedy had ZERO bullets in his body, which is a fact that destroys any theory that has JFK being struck in both the throat and upper back by separate bullets?
Tell me why I should just assume that somebody dug some bullets out of Kennedy's body as a part of some "cover-up" after the assassination?
Gett'er out Dave, makes you feel better, eh? Ya know damn well no one believes a thing you say here... Carry on lad!
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Thanks Dave for that information. Sadly though, we have come to know that anything said by many government officials may need to be scrutinized beyond their statements.
I seem to remember reading (or listening to a tape) that Hoover was very worried with what was going on in New Orleans with Garrison's case, and said so to the President. I believe he said something to the effect that he (Garrison) might win that thing!
Terry,
I certainly never objected to scrutiny of government officials when I was a CT, and while I changed my mind about there being a conspiracy, I don't see any reason to object to such scrutiny now. (Before Bill Kelly leaps in to challenge me on that, I do distinguish between legitimate inquiry, which is healthy and essential for a democracy, and rumormongering, which is counterproductive and corrosive).
I don't recall the Hoover statement you reference, but a lot of people in Washington were concerned about what Garrison was doing, and it wasn't necessarily because they thought he was on the right track. In fact, a lot of internal correspondence from both the FBI and CIA shows that both agencies were relying primarily on press coverage to figure out what Garrison's theories were in the first place, just like everyone else outside the DA's office.
What I learned through bitter experience, though, is that government official Jim Garrison is at least as deserving of scrutiny as anyone else. When I began to research the assassination, I refused to take seriously anything official sources said about the case, but I uncritically accepted many of Garrison's claims as fact. When some superior researchers steered me towards contemporaneous primary sources, my outlook changed considerably. Personally, I think Garrison and his stable of malleable witnesses led the entire research community on a wild goose chase.
A lot of people didn't want to hear that from me when I was a CT, and becoming an outspoken LN has obviously not made my message any more palatable. I've put together a lot of research resources at my website, though -- including the Clay Shaw preliminary hearing and trial transcripts, key grand jury sessions, and a lot more -- and I invite any and all interested parties to take a look, scrutinize my sources, consult opposing points of view, ask questions, and decide for themselves.
http://www.jfk-online.com/garrison.html
For obvious reasons, there's also a lot of material on Garrison and his suspects in my critique of Oliver Stone's "JFK":
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100menu.html
Dave
Dave... Why do you assume Bill Kelly will give you anything more than a quick: LOL? You've posted nothing new on the assassination in 15 years. A big ho-hum in conspiracy researchers book.
The SBT is kaput! A conspiracy murdered JFK, right?
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A writer from Time actually reported on last month's Passing the Torch Conference in Pittsburgh.
Incredibly, he decided that they best way to cover it was to cover it as a human interest story about JOHN MCADAMS.
http://nation.time.com/2013/11/05/the-debunker-among-the-buffs/#comments
While that's disappointing, the writer does quote Jim DiEugenio, Gary Aguilar, and Lisa Pease about McAdams. By reporting their antagonistic and semi-humorous interaction with McAdams, for that matter, the article helps humanize the research community. And that's a good thing.
My master plan worked out after all. LOL. For the first three days of the conference, I was one of the few researchers talking to McAdams and Holland. I was constantly encouraging others to go up and talk to McAdams. I had no idea TIME was watching.
Did McAdams (aka Paul Nolan) apologize to Dr. Aguilar for his slander? Public or private?
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Lt. Carl Day of the DPD said this:
"I processed these three hulls for fingerprints, using a powder. Mr. Sims picked them up by the ends and handed them to me. I processed each of the three; did not find fingerprints."
with the over abundance of classic evidentiary screw-ups (documented) by the 1964 Dallas Police Department, might you have a wee-cite for the above alleged quote?
Say did Day head for that mortuary that did the job on Oswald, rifle and supposedly shell casings in hand? Ya just can't trust that 1964 DPD with anything... so many rumors, innuendo not to mention malfesence plus stupidity. The FBI can't find it.... but DPD Day can. Give me, us a break!
Yes, a cite would be nice.
Michael Shermer SKEPTIC publisher schooled in *Conspiracy*. Dr. David Mantik responds
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by David G. Healy
unfortunately Cliff "stillborn" isn't the case, what we DO have is a ripe, putrid, 50 year old SBT lie.... that's alive and well. I'm sure, if this case ever, EVER ended up in court and expert witness(es) needed concerning custom fitted-sized shirts in relation to and positioned (while seated-waving) against a $3000 suit coat bullet hole, you'd get a call. Don't hold your breath. Of course that would be trial lawyers call and of course a judges decision as to what is admitted and what not. Frankly, I don't see it. As I don't see the alleged Zapruder film, as it is at NARA today, being called into question.
As an old SF-OAK-San Jose head-banging punk-rocker of the 70's variety, I suspect that even YOU would be surprised at the level of PR-porn involved in any JFK murder related case brought to trial anytime in the future. Circus comes to mind, maybe even worthy of a Bill Graham-Winterland type of circus. Got any paper?