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Thanks, Jim....
I've never heard of Barry Ryder, but, of course, DVP is well known around here.
Please let us know when your interview with Len Osanic is up.
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Gil Jesus put together a marvelous three minute collection of Mark Lane interviews with Dealey Plaza witnesses showing how the FBI lied about their observations.
Short and bittersweet:
RIP, Mark Lane
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Jim,
John Armstrong wrote the Valery Kostikov wasn't really a member of Department 13. Do you know what his source for this was? I ask because I have never seen it reported that Kostikov wasn't a member of Department 13.
I'll try to remember to ask him, but that paragraph may have come mostly from a Peter Dale Scott article called "CIA FILES AND THE PRE-ASSASSINATION FRAMING OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD," adapted from Deep Politics II. A copy of the article is in the John Armstrong Collection at Baylor.You can read it online by CLICKING HERE. (Easiest way to deal with those large pdf files from the Baylor site is to click the "Download" button toward the upper right and read it on your desktop. You can then search through the doc for Kostikov references, of which there are plenty. Cut to the chase around pp. 8 and 9. Also see....From the conclusion of State Secret, by Bill Simpich:One thing the Mexico City officers would tell us is that Kostikov was not a big deal to anyone before JFK was killed. Before November 22, no one came forward with any proof that he was an assassin or sabotage artist. Again, Angleton thought that Kostikov had nothing to do with the supposed assassination bureau at Department 13. That story was made up by Golitsyn, and it only sprang into play in the hours after the assassination.In his recent book Spy Wars, Pete Bagley makes it clear that he still claims that Kostikov was a member of Department 13, responsible for sabotage and assassination.[ 3 ] He does not address the Kostikov evidence presented here. It’s hard to imagine, but maybe this evidence will change his mind? -
Jim,
Thanks for writing and posting that summary. I found it very helpful.
What do you think about the Oswald impersonator who allegedly spoke with KGB assassin Valery Kostikov in Mexico City? And the letter Oswald allegedly wrote and was actually sent to the Russian embassy (in NYC?) where "Oswald" acts so chummy. (This was the letter copied by Ruth Paine, right? My memory is so poor.) These things steer the blame to Russia it seems. Do you think they are an extension to the items in your list, meant to implicate Russia?
I've wondered if this Russia "connection" was an "add-on" to the plot, not meant to be there by the original plotters. Because they distract from the (fake) Cuban connection. Regardless, a few months ago Jim DiEugenio opined that this part of the story was meant by the plotters to frighten LBJ into covering up the assassination plot. Because if Russian was involved in the assassination, it might lead to world war III.
What's your take on this.
I welcome any others' opinions as well.
Sandy,
Yeah, CIA officials have been lying about the Mexico City charade for more than fifty years, and they’ve been lying about Kostikov with special vigor. Not only did CIA people lie about “Oswald” meeting Kostikov, but after withholding the information for nearly two months, they also claimed—the day after the assassination of JFK--that Kostikov was a KGB assassin—and then they retracted that claim! Ah, what tangled lives…. Jim Di’s analysis sounds right on to me. From Harvey and Lee, p. 671:
Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton was one of the officers at CIA head
quarters who received the Mexico City station cable of October 8, advising that Oswald
met with Kostikov. The other CIA officer to receive the October 8 cable was Tennent
Bagley, who waited until the day after the assassination (November 23) to identify
Kostikov as a KGB officer working in KGB Department 13 (sabotage and assassination).
The fact that Bagley withheld this explosive information until the day after the assassination
appears to be intentional. The fact that Kostikov was later found to be merely a consulate
officer, and not a member of Division 13, appears to have been an intentional act of provoca
tion in an attempt to link Oswald to the Soviets. The one missing piece of information
is who told Bagley to identify Kostikov as a KGB assassin. It may have been the Chief of
Counterintelligence, James Angleton, his deputy Ray Rocca, or their boss, Richard Helms.
Remarkably, the Warren Commission and, in some cases, even the FBI concluded that a number of letters allegedly written by “Lee Harvey Oswald” were, in fact, forgeries, although both agencies failed to notice that these bogus letters always seemed to link Oswald with Cuba or Russia. The Soviets thought the 1963 typed letter from “Oswald” to their embassy in D.C. was bogus, and we wouldn’t even have known about it had they not given it to us. Show me who created that letter, and I’ll show you a conspirator in JFK's assassination.
A couple of more basic things about Mexico City for those who might be interested….
On the evening of September 26, 1963, when the Warren Commission had “Lee Harvey Oswald” aboard a Flecha Roja bus bound for Mexico City, another “Lee Harvey Oswald” was famously visiting Sylvia Odio and her sister at her Dallas apartment, among other activities around Dallas. If ANY of the Mexico City saga was true, then there were two people sharing Oswald’s identity during the period in question.
Second, the number of pulse cameras and backup cameras the CIA had trained on the entrances of the Soviet Embassy and the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City is almost laughable, and yet the evidence we have indicates not a single one of them captured a photo of anyone resembling Oswald--any Oswald-- entering or leaving either facility. David Atlee Phillips lied repeatedly about these cameras.
Third, the CIA had all kinds of phone taps working at both offices. Here’s what J. Edgar Hoover told LBJ about the day after the assassination (from a 1963 transcription of a phone conversation):
LBJ: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico in September?
HOOVER: No, that's one angle that's very confusing for this reason. We have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet Embassy, using Oswald's name. The picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet Embassy down there.
A brief but clear YouTube discussion of of this evidence IS HERE.
From this simple starting point, the Mexico City bs just piles up to Olympian proportions. A number of CIA people lied and lied and lied about it—for decades. It has become fashionable of late for some researchers to claim that all this lying was merely to hide the fact that the CIA was conducting a mole hunt—and therefore lied to U.S. investigators and everyone else for more than half a century. That strikes me as more epic bs.
David Josephs has written a long, multi-part series on Mexico City over at CTKA.NET, in which he questions the validity of virtually all the MC evidence, but it is tough reading. Set aside at least several hours to get through it. In the meantime, here’s John’s summary of Mexico City from Harvey and Lee:
Summary of Oswald's alleged visit to Mexico City
In summation of Oswald's alleged visit to Mexico City we have learned that a CIA
agent named William Gaudet, who officed in the New Orleans Trade Mart, obtained
visa No. 24084 from the Mexican Consulate in New Orleans. The next visa, No. 24085
was issued to a man who identified himself as "Lee Harvey Oswald."
A man who identified himself as "Lee Harvey Oswald" was aboard a bus to
Mexico City and sat next to John Howard Bowen, aka Albert Osborne, a man with a
strange and unexplained background. Bowen/Osborne entered Mexico with Oswald, departed
Mexico one day before Oswald, and was out of the country when President Kennedy was
assassinated. During the bus ride Lee Oswald showed a 1959 passport to Pamela Mumford and
Patricia Winston that contained his photograph and Soviet immigration stamps.
According to Winston Scott "Lee Harvey Oswald" was under constant surveil-
lance during his visit to Mexico City and the CIA had as many as 13 photographs of his
visits to the Cuban and Soviet Embassies ("mystery man photos").
A short man with blond hair showed up at the Cuban Consulate and identified
himself as Oswald, yet there are no CIA photographs or tape recordings that identify this man.
None of the Consulate employees or the two CIA assets inside the Cuban compound
identified the man as Lee Harvey Oswald.
A man posing as "Lee Harvey Oswald" allegedly visited the Soviet Embassy, yet
there are no CIA photographs or tape recordings to identify this man. "Oswald's" brief visit was
so uneventful the Soviets had no reason to record the event, yet the INS (Immigration &
Naturalization Service) reported Oswald's visit to the FBI (probably from erroneous informa-
tion received by the CIA).
The Cuban government cooperated with the Warren Commission and HSCA
by providing documentation to investigators that allowed them to question members
of the Cuban Consulate. Fidel Castro personally met with HSCA staff members and as-
sured them Cuba had no involvement in the assassination, and told them he thought
Oswald's visit was a provocation. The CIA refused to provide information to both the Commis-
sion and HSCA, CIA officers lied, and we now know they fabricated documents and
photographs in an attempt to create the illusion that Oswald was in Mexico City.
In November 1963 Soviet Ambassador Anastas Mikoyan arrived for President
Kennedy's funeral and provided photostats of their file on Oswald to the US govern-
ment. The file contained no telegrams regarding Oswald's alleged contact with the So-
viet Embassy in Washington, no correspondence between the Soviet Embassy in
Mexico City and Moscow regarding Oswald or his alleged visit, and nothing that indi-
cated Oswald had any contact the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City on September 27 or
28, or on October 1 or 3, 1963. As previously noted, Oswald's visit to the Soviet Embassy,
if it ever occurred, attracted little attention.
The Warren Commission had very little documentation that placed Oswald in
Mexico City, but had reports from credible eye witnesses that placed him in Dallas at
the same time. The Commission knew that photographs and a tape recording showed
that someone impersonated Oswald in Mexico City, but kept that information from the
public because it strongly suggested a conspiracy. The FBI and Warren Commission investi-
gated Oswald's possible connections with Cuba and received information from anony-
mous sources, CIA-paid informants, fictitious letters, and researched dozens of alleged
contacts between Oswald and agents of the Cuban Government, but found nothing that
connected him to Cuba.
The Commission undoubtedly knew that someone was trying to link Oswald
to Cuba, but appeared unconcerned and disinterested. Had they conducted a proper inves-
tigation they might have learned about the phony CIA transcripts, and might have learned
who fabricated them. They might have learned that David Phillips sent Gilberta Alvarado
to the US Embassy with a story that linked Oswald with Silvia Duran and a communist
conspiracy, which proved to be false. They may also have learned that CIA assets were be-
hind many of the post assassination attempts to link Oswald to Cuba. But if the Commis-
sion had conducted a thorough investigation, they would have discovered who was really
behind the assassination.
The man who identified himself as "Lee Harvey Oswald" on October 1, 1963
left footprints in Mexico City that investigators could follow, but not too closely. When the
Warren Commission and HSCA tried to examine these footprints in detail, their efforts
were blocked by CIA officers in the Mexico City station and CIA Headquarters, who
didn't want anyone to discover the truth. The individual at the center of the controversy,
"Lee Harvey Oswald," knew the truth. He told Dallas Police Captain Will Fritz he had
never been in Mexico City, but few people listened. 135
After retiring from the CIA David Phillips spoke to a group of CIA Intelligence
Officers. JFK researcher Mark Lane attended the meeting and heard Phillips brag to
fellow officers, "We may come to learn that Lee Harvey Oswald was never in Mexico City. "136
--From Harvey and Lee, pp. 660-661
Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong
Reproduced with permission of the author
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Cliff,What you say above sounds right to me, but….If you plan to assassinate a sitting U.S. president, and you plan to get away with it, you simply must have a patsy ready to take the blame. If you don’t, the search for you will be RELENTLESS. Sooner or later, probably sooner, you’ll be caught and prosecuted.Those who directed the Dealey Plaza shooters and those who handled Oswald surely knew nothing about one another, but I’ll bet the farm that the top plotters of JFK’s murder knew both groups of managers. The competence and loyalty of both the kill team and Oswald and his handlers were critical to the continued freedom and good health of the plotters.For the patsy, the plotters made a brilliant choice: a low-level Russian-speaking intel operative who would be easy to portray as a Castro-loving commie, who had ties to both the CIA and the FBI (thus easing the way for a full-scale bureaucratic cover-up, especially from Hoover), and, most importantly, who had already demonstrated he could follow even difficult orders. (The patsy-to-be had to be in the right places at the right times immediately before and after the hit. Otherwise, the cover story would fall apart.)Everything about the assassination of JFK smacks of a black op: compartmentalization, deniability, a patsy surrounded by both undercover agents and a confusing biographical fog, pissed-off Cubans, hidden managers and cut-outs. And who worked most comfortably in this type of arena? Military men and their civilian overseers, or spooks?
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The top guy by the order of succession was Sec of Defense Robert McNamara but he was sidelined that afternoon, didn't find out the Commander in Chief had died until informed by Bobby Kennedy, &kept busy with relatively minor tasks like gathering Oswald's files, and making arrangements for the arrival of AF1.
The top US officials on the job from the moment Kennedy was pronounced dead were the #2 man at the State Department, George Ball, Averell Harriman right beside him.
The two guys most responsible for the dispatch of Cable 243 and the seismic shift in Kennedy's So East Asia policy were the two guys at the pinnacle of power in DC the day Kennedy died.
Averell Harriman was a man of immense wealth and power belied by his #3 ranking at State.
On December 15, 1959, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev landed in Washington DC on the first stop of a two week tour of the States.
The next day he showed up at W. Averell Harriman's pad in Manhattan.
Hi, Cliff,Every few years, we seem to go around this question a few times, and so here’s my addition to this year's installment.There is little doubt that JFK was ticking off a whole lot of military people for his decisions about S.E. Asia as well as Cuba. And Jim DiEugenio has shown that the President's policies in other parts of the world were also out of step with MIC goals. But, at least in my opinion, for more than half a century, the evidence has been pretty clear that the set-up of "Lee Harvey Oswald" for the assassination of JFK was designed to provoke an invasion of Cuba.* The Fair Play for Cuba Committee pantomime around Clay Shaw's Trade Mart in New Orleans was an obvious attempt to associate the future alleged assassin with Castro.* In a June 1964 interview with FBI undercover agent Jack Childs, Fidel Castro indicated that he thought the assassination was designed to implicate Cuba and provoke an invasion of his island nation. [FBI Airtel from SAC New York to FBi Director, 6/12/64; FBI HQ File 100-428091-3911]* Around Labor Day prior to the assassination, a man identifying himself as “Lee Oswald” repeatedly tried to purchase four .300 Savage rifles from Robert McKeown, Castro’s personal friend and long-time munitions supplier. McKeown smelled a rat and refused to consider even the ridiculously high price “Oswald” finally offered. Any doubt one of these guns would have appeared on the TSBD sixth floor had Castro’s personal gun supplier made the sale to “Lee Oswald?”* Let’s not forget that fine story of CIA officer David Atlee Phillips’ snitch Gilberta Alvarado Ugarte that a “negro with red hair” offered Oswald $6500 in cash inside the Cuban Consulate to kill President Kennedy. Just to sell the story a bit harder, Alvarado also claimed Oswald appeared to be “completely at home” in the Cuban Consulate.* Less than three hours after President Kennedy’s murder, before LBJ quashed the whole “Cuba thing,” Hoover told the President that ”Oswald” had visited Cuba on several occasions after returning from the Soviet Union.* Why do you suppose none other than Jack Ruby had to correct Dallas D.A. Henry Wade at that famous press conference, pointing out that “Oswald” belonged to a pro-Castro organization, rather than an anti-Castro one?There are many more indications that the immediate goal of the assassination was to provoke an invasion of Cuba, though, as you point out, the evidence is pretty clear that important elements of the U.S. military were also royally ticked off about Mr. Kennedy’s refusal to go full scale war in Vietnam—and worse yet, to schedule its end. My philosophy has always been to follow the clear evidence that we have, and see what else comes to light.Good luck with your continuing research! -
Nov. 23, 1963 (from a 1963 transcription of a phone conversation):
LBJ: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico in September?
HOOVER: No, that's one angle that's very confusing for this reason. We have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet Embassy, using Oswald's name. The picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet Embassy down there.
CIA wasn’t only taping conversations at the Russian and Cuban installations, it also had pulse cameras, and backup pulse cameras, aimed at the entrances to both buildings, photographing everyone coming and going. Yet no picture of “Lee Harvey Oswald” entering or leaving either building was ever produced, nor was an audio recording supplied by the CIA, just lame excuses.
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The steel-jacketed bullet embedded in Walker’s house and taken into evidence by Dallas police clearly does not match the copper-jacketed bullet presented to the Warren Commission (CE 573) and now in the National Archives.Warren Commission attorneys were clearly aware of this problem, but were afraid to ask the cops who placed it in evidence about it. Instead, they asked FBI utility man Robert Frazier, who was nowhere near Walker’s home when the bullet was taken into custody. Frazier lamely mumbled that sometimes people refer to copper-jacketed bullets as steel jacketed bullets.The whole Walker affair, like the Kennedy assassination, stinks of a cover-up AND a frame-up.
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The evidence clearly suggests that....The assassination of JFK...... was a U.S. Intel/MIC hit.
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To Jim DiEugenio….Thanks for the link to the Mail Order Rifle article on HarveyandLee.net in your new write-up about CBS… and, of course, for the terrific piece itself! It is written so clearly and convincingly; no wonder WC apologists feel compelled to try to criticize it.Just from the referrals we’re getting from CTKA.net at my website I can tell that readership is very high. Congratulations…. And please keep the great work coming!
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This thread again exemplifies why the research community has become little more than a tiresome debating society.
Martin Hay represents the most reasonable school of thought in very effectively critiquing David Von Pein's and Mel Ayton's predictably impossible Oswald-did-it book. David Lifton's curious, belated response relies on unwarranted faith in both Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald, the two witnesses who almost exclusively were responsible for painting a negative picture of Lee Harvey Oswald. David further maintains that Oswald DID carry a rifle into the TSBD that day. Is David now claiming Oswald fired shots? I thought his thesis was that all shots came from the front. What about Jack Dougherty, the only known witness to see Oswald arrive at work that day? He reported that Oswald was carrying no package. Oswald himself supposedly strongly denied carrying anything other than a lunch sack.
Forgive me if I have any of this wrong:
David Lifton believes that JFK's body was altered before the autopsy at Bethesda, to falsely leave evidence of shots from behind, when all shots actually came from in front. Other than this rather "extreme" theory, he generally accepts all aspects of the official story.
Pat Speer believes that all shots came from the rear, and that the medical personnel at Parkland who claimed to have seen a large hole in the back of JFK's head were mistaken (actually, I think he maintains that we have all been misinterpreting their testimony). He therefore believes the autopsy photos and x-rays showing no such large defect are legitimate.
Jim DiEugenio comes closest to my own perspective, and in my opinion represents one of the few present-day critics who haven't rejected much of the ground-breaking work of the original band of critics, who decades ago conclusively proved there was a conspiracy.
The research community is basically divided on John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee theory. Note- I am presently reading this book, and am even more impressed than ever with the extent of Armstrong's research.
A growing number of researchers, largely associated with Greg Parker's ROKC forum, are putting all their eggs in Sean Murphy's "Prayer Man" basket. Needless to say, if "Prayer Man" is Oswald, his innocence is conclusively proven, but both sides acknowledge that higher-quality images are imperative if a conclusive identification is to be established. This same group just as strongly opposes not only Armstrong's theory, but the general notion that there were people impersonating Oswald.
From my first few JFK assassination classes, I can conclude that more people are simply accepting the official narrative that Oswald acted alone. I can only guess this is due to the favorable publicity the mainstream media gave Posner, Bugliosi, Hanks' Parkland and now Stephen King's monstrous piece of disinformation. I think recent polls are demonstrating this. In other words, our task has become harder. It's tough fighting Stephen King and Hollywood.
My point, again, is that we hardly represent any kind of united front on this subject. The official story is impossible. Impossible. That is with or without Harvey and Lee, or body alteration, or Zapruder film alteration, or Prayer Man, or any other aspect of this case that has been hotly debated on this forum. This is what I tried to stress in my book, and what I have stressed during interviews.
Unless we recognize this simple truth, the lone nutters will eventually win the day. Their version is already in all the conventional history books. As we all know, history is written by the victors.
It should be an undisputed fact at this point that those who assassinated John F. Kennedy were the victors.
Well said, Don. Thank you!
Your book is wonderful: HIDDEN HISTORY: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics. Thanks again!
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Today marks the 53rd Anniversary of the “Oswald” Set-up
Fifty three years ago today, elements of American Intel began setting up Russian-speaking “Lee HARVEY Oswald” to become the future alleged assassin of President John F. Kennedy.
During this month 53 years ago, on...
April 2 – Ruth Paine invited “Lee HARVEY Oswald” and Marina to her home in Irving, TX for “dinner.”
April 10 – Someone took a shot at Ret. Gen. Edwin Walker using a steel-jacketed bullet.
April 24 – “Lee HARVEY Oswald” arrived in New Orleans, LA by bus, having left the Dallas area for no apparent reason other than to become sheep-dipped as a pro-Castro operative.
Anyone care to fill in some more dates? There are plenty of them.
I'll be adding to this list until November 22 of this year.
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Sorry Jim - but I think the Cuba story was a cover... and more in line with what Simpich writes - an internal intel matter - then to push the US into Cuba.
If that was the case - Cuba, not Vietnam, would have been first on LBJ's list.
The CIA wanted to run a county - all of it - and Cuba was not going to be the one... SE Asia on the other hand - had everything the MICC needed: Drugs, weapons, war, and distance.
Remember, though, that in exchange for the removal of the Soviet missiles from Cuba, President Kennedy had PUBLICLY promised the Soviets that the U.S. would not invade Cuba (although the removal of U.S. missiles from Turkey was kept quiet). Seems unlikely that LBJ had the stomach to reopen the Cuban Missile Crisis, though, if it turned out that "Lee Harvey Oswald" was an agent for Castro, he might have to. That, I think, is the real reason Johnson told Hoover to cover the whole thing up. An adventure in the relatively small nations of S.E. Asia was less likely to provoke a nuclear war with the Soviets.In a recorded phone call, LBJ said to Richard Russell "Dick, it's already been announced and you can serve with anybody for the good of America, and this is a question that has a good many more ramifications than on the surface and we've got to take this out of the arena where they're testifying that Khruschev and Castro did this and did that and kicking us into a war that can kill 40 million Americans in an hour."In his book, Earl Warren told a similar tale of LBJ pleading with him to lead the cover-up... I mean the Warren Commission. -
DJ...
Please post your arguments here that the assassination of JFK was more about Vietnam than Cuba....
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Thanks, Michael W., though you're clearly preaching to the choir here. As you say, the J-C-S time card is just the start of J. Edgar Hoover's lies about "Lee Harvey Oswald" and the assassination of JFK. May Hoover and the rest of them all rot in hell!
To DJ.... I'm exhausted watching babies and toddlers gather plastic eggs... more tomorrow... just as it should have been half a century ago. Thank you for speaking your mind!!!
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The whole Alvarado/Phillips saga of the “negro with red hair” giving “Oswald” $6500 at the Cuban consulate is so obviously false we hardly need to dwell on it. The real question is…. Why would a high-ranking CIA officer push the false tale? The answer, I believe, is the same as for the following questions:
Why did “Lee Harvey Oswald” leave Texas for no apparent reason so that he could pretend to support Castro in New Orleans while being surrounded by virulent anti-Castro government agents around Clay Shaw's Trade Mart in New Orleans?
Why did a “Lee Oswald” attempt to purchase rifles just weeks before the assassination from Robert McKeown, a personal friend of Fidel Castro who was at the time on parole for selling guns to the Cuban revolutionary?
Why was “Lee Harvey Oswald” impersonated at the Soviet and Cuban installations in Mexico City?
Why, just minutes after the assassination, did J. Edgar Hoover tell Robert Kennedy that Oswald “made several trips to Cuba?”
The obvious answer is that “Lee Harvey Oswald” was being sheep-dipped as an agent of Fidel Castro so that when he was framed for the assassination of JFK, the resulting furor would end with a U.S. invasion of Cuba. It's really quite obvious.
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Thanks for all the kind words, Brad.
That alleged $6500 payoff at the Cuban Consulate fits in beautifully with a discussion of the rifle because it shows how desperate some people, including veteran CIA officer David Atlee Phillips, were to blame the assassination on Fidel Castro and thus provoke an invasion of Cuba. This might well have happened had the plotters succeeded in having “Lee Oswald” purchase four rifles from Castro's friend and gun supplier Robert McKeown during the Labor Day weekend prior to the assassination. When that attempt failed, other measures were taken to tie the hit to Castro and Oswald, including promotion of the story of the $6500 and the “negro with red hair.”
From Harvey and Lee:
On November 25 David Phillips' associate, Gilberta Alvarado Ugarte, walked
into the US Embassy in Mexico City and claimed he had been in the Cuban Embassy
in Mexico City on September 18, 1963. He told officials that he witnessed Oswald re-
ceive $6500 in cash from a "negro with red hair" inside the Cuban consulate to kill Presi-
dent Kennedy. Alvarado said that Oswald appeared to be "completely at home" in the
Cuban Consulate. 156
NOTE: Oswald allegedly visited the Cuban Consulate (not the Cuban Embassy) on
September 27 (not on September 18 because he was in New Orleans)
Embassy employees turned Alvarado over to CIA officer David Atlee Phillips
for further questioning. Alvarado allegedly told Phillips about a pretty girl at the consu-
late (an obvious reference to Silvia Duran) whose manners reminded him of a prosti-
tute. He said the girl embraced Oswald and gave him her home address where she could
be reached.
NOTE: Readers should keep in mind the DFS questioned Duran about a sexual rela-
tionship with Oswald two days before Alvarado made this allegation to the US Embassy.
The only way the DF S could have known to ask these questions was from David Phillips,
who told Alvarado what to say. Alvarado was a Nicaraguan double agent who the
Warren Commission later identified as FBI informant "T-32."
After completing his first interview with Alvadaro, Phillips (using the pseud-
onym "M.C. Choaden") sent a cable to CIA headquarters in which he described
Alvarado as, "A well known Nicaraguan Communist underground member."157 In a
second cable Phillips (using the pseudonym "L.F. Barker") wrote that Alvarado, "Ad-
mitted he was on a penetration mission for the Nicaraguan Secret Service" and de-
scribed him as, "A quiet, very serious person, who speaks with conviction." 158
NOTE: The Nicaraguan Secret Service, like other Mexican and Central American in
telligence agencies, was heavily involved in drug trafficking and worked closely with the
CIA. Alvarado reported to Intelligence Chief General Gustavo Montiel, who was later
described in CIA cables as "the kingpin of narcotics traffickers in Nicaragua." He was
also involved in a massive car theft ring in the 1970s that was run by Norwin Meneses
Canterero, who later became a key figure in the Nicaraguan Contra-drug connection and
was able to enter and leave the US with impunity as a result of CIA protection.
In a third cable Phillips called Alvarado "completely cooperative."159 In a fourth
cable Ambassador Thomas Mann reported, "This officer (Phillips) was impressed by
Alvarado ..... the wealth of detail Alvarado gives was striking."160 In a fifth cable Phillips
described Alvarado as "very intelligent" and said, "Alvarado telling truth in general
outline."161 The Alvarado story, as reported by propaganda expert David Atlee Phillips, re-
ceived the full support of Mexican Ambassador Thomas Mann, FBI Legal Attache Clark
Anderson, and Station Chief Winston Scott, who were probably unaware that Phillips had
fabricated the entire story.
NOTES:
156 WC Exhibit 2121, p. 122.
157 WC Exhibit 2121, pp. 154-156.
157 WCD 1OOOA.
158 WCD 1OOOB, p. 4.
159 WCD 1OOOC, p. 2.
160 National Archives, SSCIA 157-10004-10180, Cable p-8593 CITE MEXI 7104.
161 CIA document #260-670; MEXI 7156.
--From Harvey and Lee, pp 674-675
Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong
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Cuban Consulate employee Silvia Duran was beaten and tortured by the Mexi-
can Police, at the request of the CIA, in an attempt to extract testimony from her that linked
Oswald to the Cubans and to an alleged communist conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy.
CIA career officer David Atlee Phillips ordered an FBI informant/CIA asset to tell the
American Embassy he saw a "negro with red hair" give Oswald $6500 in the Cuban Con-
sulate to kill the President. Phillips was also the source of numerous stories before,
during, and after Oswald's alleged visit to Mexico City that attempted to link Oswald to
Cuba and communists.
--Ibid., p. 690
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On November 25 Gilberta Alvarado Ugarte (a Nicaraguan double agent and
FBI informant "T-32") told the US Embassy in Mexico City that he observed
a negro with red hair inside the Cuban Consulate pay Oswald $6500 to kill
President Kennedy. Ugarte also said he saw Sylvia Duran and Oswald embrace
each other inside the Consulate. This story had the enthusiastic support of David
Atlee Phillips and Mexican Ambassador Thomas Mann. In cables sent to CIA head-
quarters after Phillips interviewed Alvarado he wrote, "This officer was impressed by
Alvarado ..... wealth of detail Alvarado gives is striking. "50 In another cable Phillips
wrote that Alvarado was "quiet, very serious person, who speaks with conviction. "51
Alvardo retracted his story a few days later and David Phillips admitted his involve-
ment in the fabrication, but was not reprimanded in any way.
NOTES:
50 National Archives, HSCA 180-10 I 08-10328, Numbered Files 002960; Memorandum by Coleman-Slawson, 4/2/64.
51 CIA document #174-616; 11/27/63.
--Ibid., pp. 887-888
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Has anyone found anything interesting at the link above?
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To focus back on the Magic Money Order and the Magic Rifle, here are some of the highlights of the cover-up so far:
Newspaper and electronic media reports throughout the week immediately following the assassination indicated that the FBI claimed “Oswald's” handwriting was on an order form for a $12.78 rifle with scope paid for with a postal money order dated March 20, 1963. Hoover couldn't change these reports, so he could only hope all of us would forget them when the final “evidence” the bureau fabricated showed the rifle cost $21.45 and the money order was dated March 12, 1963.
The final version of the postal money order for $21.45, now in evidence, was never endorsed or date stamped by a single bank or financial institution, indicating it was never cashed. Why? Because Dallas postal inspector/FBI informant Harry Holmes, who probably helped fabricate the document, had the ability to fake postal documents, but didn't have the ability to fake evidence from private banks. A bank deposit slip, offered by the Warren Commission as evidence the money order was cashed, is dated a month before the money order was issued by the post office.
Oswald's Magic Rifle supposedly fired a copper jacketed bullet found in the home of Edwin Walker, but Dallas police originally reported that a steel jacketed bullet was retrieved from Walker's home.
If the FBI faked all the evidence about Oswald's ownership of the Magic Rifle, what else did the FBI fake? Is it unreasonable to assume the FBI faked all the evidence against Oswald?
Researchers may have the best chance to break through our Orwellian news coverage of JFK's assassination by proving that ALL THE EVIDENCE AGAINST “LEE HARVEY OSWALD” IS FAKE.
Here are some ways to prove the evidence is phony:
1. Hoover had the power to alter, fabricate, or destroy every document and item of evidence in his possession, but he couldn't change contemporaneously published news reports about them. (Example: the $12.78 rifle allegedly purchased with a 3/20/63 money order)
2. Phony documentation fabricated by the FBI was sometimes sloppy and can be shown to be false. (Examples: the uncashed money order; “Oswald” W-2 forms from different employers typed on the same typewriter.)
3. By analyzing holes in the FBI “cover story,” the sheer absurdity of the whole story can be shown. (This is accomplished time after time in John Armstrong's Mail Order Rifle Writeup.)
Using these and other techniques, I hope researchers continue proving that the so-called evidence in the case against Lee Harvey Oswald is as bogus and treacherous as the conclusions of the Warren Commission.
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I remember following your work when 'Harvey & Lee' first appeared on the Internet & noticing LNer website staff writers mocking & otherwise trying to rip it apart. It left an indelible impression on me that the public really doesn't know who LHO really was & how many of us 'regular guy' type folks might have imposters running around the globe pretending to be us without our knowledge. It's all essential to understanding the events that lead to & followed JFK's mysterious public ambush & death. It all matters.
I was arguing online with a guy once who said something like, "Well, this Harvey and Lee business is impossible to believe, though it is true that Oswald had a couple of doppelgangers running around imitating him at various times." And I had to wonder, how many times does someone have to believe in doppelgangers running around before you start to look for a more reasonable explanation?I'd try to think about it some more, but one of my doppelgangers wants to do lunch. Back later. -
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How potent is this research? It's so strong Stephen King omits all of it from his new mini series 11.22.63. The subject of just how LHO is alleged to taken possession of the MC has not been addressed as of Episode 5. [....]
I suspect that when John Armstrong's work on the MC bogus paperwork first began appearing on the Internet the go ahead to put the mini-series into production began as a vehicle to derail that evidence. [....]
Wait. You can't blame that whole tv fiasco on John's research and my website. <g> I first put the Harvey and Lee site up in 1999, and it got really good after John began paying attention to it and rewriting everything three or four years ago.
The magic money order has been up for some years, though I can't remember quite when it premiered. Plus, even if you can't bring yourself to accept the whole Harvey and Lee scenario, you have to admit there's a trainload of problems with the official biography of LHO.
I'd like to think HarveyandLee.net has been pissing off the right people since the last millennium, not just recently!
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Thanks, Brad!
It took a while, but we can finally pretty much understand what actually happened to JFK and the so-called investigation. One of the things that happened is that a whole lot of evidence was faked in the effort to blame the crime on a deranged loner.
A CIA guy once said something roughly like, “the beauty of a disinformation campaign is that it can be reinstated whenever it is needed.” If the information in this thread was sent to Steven King or the producers of 11.22.63, the response, if any, would probably involve the same disinformation produced during the initial cover-up.
Assuming the 11.22.63 people were knowledgeable enough, or knew someone knowledgeable enough to help them, they would probably produce reports about people like Kleins' VP William Waldman that seem to indicate support for certain elements of the Official Story. I haven't counted them, but the number of FBI reports about the mail order rifle that are demonstrably fake may be approaching a dozen or so.
Anyone interested in showing the true facts behind JFK's assassination simply has to show that much of the evidence in this case is phony. In the case of the rifle the FBI wrote phony reports, including altered statements by people involved at places like Kleins, and then back dated those reports to invent a chronology of alleged events that never really existed. The mother lode of proof that the so-called “evidence” about the rifle has been falsified is John Armstrong's new article that prompted this thread:
READ THE MAIL ORDER RIFLE ARTICLE BY CLICKING HERE.
John's article is long and detailed, and even a careful reader will need to go through it two or three times just to understand the full scope of the FBI's treachery. Many people just won't have the time or interest to do that, and for them we can simply point to the basics:
1. Contemporary newspaper and media reports indicate that the FBI said it was “Oswald's” handwriting on an order for a rifle that cost $12.78 (including a scope) and was paid for with a postal money order dated March 20, 1963. (The “evidence” now says the gun cost $21.45 and was paid for with a postal money order dated March 12, 1963.)
2. The postal money order now in evidence was never endorsed or date stamped by any bank or financial institution, despite requirements to do so.
3. According to the evidence offered by the Warren Commission, the money order was deposited by a bank a month before the bank received it.
4. A copper jacketed bullet (Commission Exhibit 573) that “Oswald” allegedly used to shoot at Gen. Edwin Walker seems to match a copper jacketed bullet (CE 399) that allegedly did all that damage to JFK and Gov. Connally in Dealey Plaza. But the original Dallas police report indicated that the Walker bullet was steel jacketed. Now we have two magic bullets, all allegedly fired from the same magic rifle which was paid for with the same magic money order!
There is, of course, much more, and we now have exhibits showing how both the FBI and the Warren Commission altered testimony and statements of witnesses to this case that can be comprehended in just a few minutes.
It's all coming undone! And there's nothing the Steven Kings of the world or any other Warren Commission apologists can do about it except embarrass themselves even more.
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Here is what allegedly happened:. At first, all the FBI had to go on was the rifle's model and serial number, and a date range in which the rifle could have been sold. The FBI spent seven hours manually looking through thousands of Internal Invoices till they found the one that had the matching serial number printed on it. From the Internal Invoice they got the order amount, $21.45, and the method of payment, money order.
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Ah, but as usual, we can't even get past Step 1 of the Official Story before discovering that the FBI is just making EVERYTHING up. After “seven hours manually looking through thousands of internal invoices” the three FBI agents had clearly failed to find ANYTHING about the sixth floor rifle!
What they apparently DID find was a rifle that sold for $21.95 paid for with a postal money order issued on March 20, 1963. This $21.95 rifle was the second incorrect price dreamed up by the FBI, after already telling Curry that Oswald's handwriting was on an order for a $12.78 rifle. It would take the FBI A WEEK to announce that a $21.45 rifle from Kleins had been paid for with a postal money order dated March 12, 1963.
Here's a page from a January 1964 document (CD296) sent by the Chief Postal Inspector of the USPS to J. Lee Rankin of the W.C.
The unnamed Dallas postal inspector mentioned in this report, by the way, was none other than Postal Inspector/FBI informant Harry Holmes, who was extremely helpful in the prosecution of “Lee Harvey Oswald.” Among his many heroic actions, Harry Holmes was the only human being on earth who heard “Oswald” tell Dallas police he had traveled to Mexico City. What a guy, that Harry Holmes!
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