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All kinds of weird stuff happened under the rubric of National Security. Soviet Intelligence, for example, apparently was quite willing to use children in one way or another. From the Wikipedia page on Konan Molody (aka Gordon Lonsdale):
Molody's early life
Konon Molody was born in Moscow in 1922, the son of a scientist. His father died when he was a child. According to Konon's son, Trofim Molody, who authored the book about his father Мертвый сезон. Конец легенды ("The Dead Season. End of the Legend", 1998),[2] the Soviet intelligence had their eyes on the young boy when the NKVD chief Genrikh Yagoda helped Konon's mother get a passport for him to go to the US in 1934 to live with an aunt in California (according to his official SVR biography,[3] he left the USSR in 1932).[4]
Schooled in the U.S., Molody (also Molodi) became so adept at English he eventually became a successful spy in England under the name Gordon Lonsdale, where he gained access to a British Naval base and studied the Royal Navy's underwater weapons facilities before being arrested in 1961.
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For Jeremy Bojczuk:
As Mr. B surely knows, it doesn’t matter what he or I think. What matters is what the evidence shows. And the evidence we have is that Classic Oswald® was arrested on the main floor of the theater and brought out the front door and someone who looked like him was arrested in the balcony and brought out the back door.
Mr. B writes endless essays about how this cannot be and about how horrible I am, but nothing he writes can twist the evidence we have into his story of three Oswalds or whatever it is he is selling. Again, James Douglass described it best.
From his book JFK and the Unspeakable:
Butch Burroughs, who witnessed Oswald’s arrest, startled me in his interview by saying he saw a second arrest occur in the Texas Theater only “three or four minutes later.”[444] He said the Dallas Police then arrested “an Oswald lookalike.” Burroughs said the second man “looked almost like Oswald, like he was his brother or something.”[445] When I questioned the comparison by asking, “Could you see the second man as well as you could see Oswald?” he said, “Yes, I could see both of them. They looked alike.”[446] After the officers half-carried and half-dragged Oswald to the police car in front of the theater, within a space of three or four minutes, Burroughs saw the second Oswald placed under arrest and handcuffed. The Oswald look-alike, however, was taken by police not out the front but out the back of the theater.[447]
What happened next we can learn from another neglected witness, Bernard Haire.[448]
Bernard J. Haire was the owner of Bernie’s Hobby House, just two doors east of the Texas Theater. Haire went outside his store when he saw police cars congregating in front of the theater.[449] When he couldn’t see what was happening because of the crowd, he went back through his store into the alley out back. It, too, was full of police cars, but there were fewer spectators. Haire walked up the alley. When he stopped opposite the rear door of the theater, he witnessed what he would think for decades was the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald.
“Police brought a young white man out,” Haire told an interviewer. “The man was dressed in a pullover shirt and slacks. He seemed to be flushed, as if he’d been in a struggle. Police put the man in a police car and drove off.”[450]
When Haire was told in 1987 that Lee Harvey Oswald had been brought out the front of the theater by police, he was shocked.
“I don’t know who I saw arrested,” he said in bewilderment.[451]
Butch Burroughs and Bernard Haire are complementary witnesses. From their perspectives both inside and outside the Texas Theater, they saw an Oswald double arrested and taken to a police car in the back alley only minutes after the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald. Burroughs’s and Haire’s independent, converging testimonies provide critical insight into the mechanics of the plot. In a comprehensive intelligence scenario for Kennedy’s and Tippit’s murders, the plan culminated in Oswald’s Friday arrest and Sunday murder (probably a fallback from his being set up to be killed in the Texas Theater by the police).
There is a hint of the second Oswald’s arrest in the Dallas police records. According to the Dallas Police Department’s official Homicide Report on J. D. Tippit, “Suspect was later arrested in the balcony of the Texas theatre at 231 W. Jefferson.”[452]
Dallas Police detective L. D. Stringfellow also reported to Captain W. P. Gannaway, “Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested in the balcony of the Texas Theater.”[453]
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444. Author’s interview of Burroughs, July 16, 2007. Butch Burroughs is a man of few words. When asked a question, he answers exactly what he is asked. Burroughs told me no one had ever asked him before about a second arrest in the Texas Theater. In response to my question, “Now you didn’t see anybody else [besides Oswald] get arrested that day, did you?” he answered, “Yes, there was a lookalike—an Oswald lookalike.” In response to further questions, he described the second arrest, that of the “Oswald lookalike.” Ibid. Because Butch Burroughs saw neither Oswald nor his lookalike enter the Texas Theater, each must have gone directly up the balcony stairs on entering. Oswald crossed the balcony and came down the stairs on the far side of the lobby. There he entered the orchestra seats and began his seat-hopping, in apparent search of a contact. His lookalike sneaked into the theater at 1:45 P.M. and, like Oswald, went immediately up the balcony stairs. By the time Burroughs witnessed the Oswald double’s arrest, he had also come down the balcony stairs on the far side of the lobby, either on his own or already accompanied by police who had been checking the balcony.
445. §
Ibid.446. §
Ibid.447. §
Ibid.448. §
In the data base of the JFK Records Act at the National Archives, there is no record of Bernard Haire. Archivist Martin F. McGann to James Douglass, July 20, 2007.449. §
In a photo taken about 1:50 P.M., November 22, 1963, that shows people gathering around the police cars in front of the Texas Theater, Bernard Haire can be seen at the edge of the crowd, leaning on a parking meter and trying to see. Photo by Stuart L. Reed; on p. 68, Myers, With Malice.450. §
Bernard J. Haire interview by Jim Marrs, summer 1987. Crossfire, p. 354.451. §
Ibid.452. §
Dallas Police Department Homicide Report on J. D. Tippit, November 22, 1963. Reproduced in With Malice, p. 447 (emphasis added).453. §
Letter from Detective L. D. Stringfellow to Captain W. P. Gannaway, November 23, 1963, Dallas City Archives. Cited in Harvey & Lee, p. 871 (emphasis added).
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To Sandy and Steve,
All the best to both of you. It's a shame that two such fine researchers in our little group suffer from similar health issues. Hope you can both keep going strong for decades to come!
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3 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:
I do not make light of this at all,actually it is the opposite.
And one more time: I give up on you.
The ridiculous speculation from you on Reed 'expecting' Oswald being on that bus is mind boggling.
Utter nutcase scenarios I stay well clear from.
All the best.
I understand. Stuart Reed "accidentally" took two pictures of the Marsalis bus, front and back, as it was stuck in traffic headed toward Dealey Plaza. And he "accidentally took pictures of the TSBD and the Texas Theater just as Oswald was being dragged out. That fellow sure was accident prone!
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On 9/12/2019 at 10:34 PM, Karl Hilliard said:
Back to the 'Two Oswalds'... I thought I had asked about this earlier..but if Oswald did not go in the direction of the Tippit shooting but rather walked or got a ride to the Texas Theater---What might have happened to this supposed jacket that the housekeeper said he wore? I realize that no one would know, but it is still a consideration.
Karl,
John A. and I were just talking about this.
I don't think Classic Oswald wore the light, Eisenhower jacket that afternoon. I think he wore the bluish jacket that was later "found" in the domino room of the TSBD, though how it got back there is another story. Note the following testimony from cab driver Whaley and Earline Roberts (emphasis added):
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants.
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Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket--
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.......
Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?
Mr. BALL. Yes---it has a zipper down the front.
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe it was.
Mr. BALL. It was a zippered jacket, was it?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; it was a zipper jacket. How come me to remember it, he was zipping it up as he went out the door. -
30 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:
Oh my me....
The Nile is a river in Egypt..I give up, what is the point.
Bart,
Make light of this all you wish, but you are misrepresenting the Stuart Reed photos, which include two images of the Marsalis bus stuck in traffic as it approached Dealey Plaza, one taken from in front of the bus and the other from behind it. For somebody, these images are obviously too conspiratorial.
Clear images of these photos have been available to researchers for nearly 25 years. Again, they can be seen not only below but on pages 120 and 121 of The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald by Robert Groden. Groden credits Stuart Reed for both pix. Reed expected “Oswald” to be on that bus, and these pictures make that pretty clear.
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9 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:
Your first paragraph is sheer speculation and no there is not much evidence for the bus ride at all in all honesty. Especially when it is inserted (ticket/Fritz interrogations).
And with the Stuart Reed part you are speculating even more.
Nothing as what you are claiming can be derived from the Stuart Reed set.
You are clutching at straws Jim.
Bart,
The images your friend purchased are so terrible they are worthless.
High quality reproductions of the Stuart Reed photos have been available since 1995, when Robert Groden published them in “The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald.” (One of the chapters, by the way, is entitled “Too many Oswalds.”)
Groden’s prints clearly show the TSBD, the Texas Theater arrest, and in two different shots, the Marsalis bus approaching Dealey Plaza. The bus shots appear on pp. 120 and 121 of Mr. Groden’s book. I’m sure you have seen these before. How can there be any doubt that Reed was told that “Oswald” would be on that bus?
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Hi, Sandy,
Haven’t seen you posting here in ages. Have you been OK?
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8 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:
Lee Oswald was the one running down the slope and getting in the Rambler and no one else.
Benavides' W.C. testimony was useless, if he was THAT speciifc about the hair on Nov 22nd then he would have been seeing Oswald being paraded in front of him, instead he was not used at all.
An eyeball witness go figure.
Bart,
You’re hardly alone here believing the Marsalis bus and the taxi ride never happened, but you know there is a lot of evidence for it. Besides what the WC wanted us to believe, it’s pretty obvious from his actions at the Gloco station that Tippit expected Oswald to be on that bus.
Even more significant, it’s clear that Stuart Reed was told Oswald would be on the bus. Otherwise, why would he take two photos of the Marsalis bus approaching Dealey Plaza, along with shots of the Book Depository, Burt’s Shoes, and the actual arrest of Oswald at the theater?
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John,
Yeah, but I’m told a surgical scar that old would be pretty faint. I’m pretty sure John A. doesn’t agree with me, but I think it was the Russian-speaking Oswald all along who had the mastoidectomy. Hoover knew it, and just faked a page or two to make it seem as if the American-born Oswald had the operation.
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10 hours ago, Karl Hilliard said:
I located this info..... Eddy Benavides was shot in 1965.
Karl,
Thanks for the correction. Penn Jones was obviously off by a year in his statement about when Eddy Benavides was killed.
But the point for this thread is not when his brother was killed but what Domingo Benavides actually saw that afternoon at 10th and Patton. And it appears pretty clear that Mr. Benavides, probably the closest witness who saw Tippit killed, thought the man who shot Tippit looked like Lee Harvey Oswald, except for a difference in the haircut.
Mr. BELIN - You used the name Oswald. How did you know this man was Oswald?
Mr. BENAVIDES - From the pictures I had seen. It looked like a guy, resembled the guy. That was the reason I figured it was Oswald.
Mr. BELIN - Were they newspaper pictures or television pictures, or both, or neither?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Well, television pictures and newspaper pictures. The thing lasted about a month, I believe, it seemed like.
Mr. BELIN - Pardon.
Mr. BENAVIDES - I showed--I believe they showed pictures of him every day for a long time there.. . . . .
Mr. BELIN - Okay, well, I thank you. I was flying from St. Louis to Des Moines, Iowa. at about this time. Is there anything else?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.The evidence suggests that, according to the nearest witness, an Oswald lookalike killed Tippit, and then minutes later an Oswald lookalike was arrested at the Texas Theater. Add to that the enormous amount of evidence that an Oswald lookalike got into a Nash Rambler station wagon in Dealey Plaza at about the same time another Oswald boarded a bus, and there is an obvious pattern of two Oswalds leaving Dealey Plaza that awful afternoon.
Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.
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Mr. B. continuously tries to tell us that a balcony arrest of a second Oswald is inconsistent with the observations of Butch Burroughs, but it simply isn’t true. As I’ve noted time and time again, James Douglass, who interviewed Burroughs, wrote: “By the time Burroughs witnessed the Oswald double’s arrest, he had also come down the balcony stairs on the far side of the lobby, either on his own or already accompanied by police who had been checking the balcony. [JFK and the Unspeakable, p. 461]
What Mr. B. wants us to believe is that the second Oswald, who Burroughs and Haire both thought they saw arrested, was actually George Applin. In fact, he states this as if it were a known fact:
- even though he doesn’t have the slightest idea if Applin looked anything at all like Classic Oswald®,
- even though he doesn’t know if Applin left by the back entrance, as the man both Burroughs and Haire witnessed did, or the front entrance,
- and even though Applin left the theater only after police had locked down the building and interviewed every theater patron, by most estimates approaching twenty people.
Mr. B. points to a couple of sites that attempt to debunk John A’s research, but I’m sure he’ll be delighted to know there are some actually POPULAR web locations that promote John’s research.
On Black Op Radio, Len Osanic has featured perhaps a dozen or more interviews with John Armstrong.
Interviews and presentations based on John Armstrong’s research, some featuring interviews on Black Op Radio, are all over YouTube. One entitled Captain Westbrook, officer Tippit and Oswald’s double lasts more than two and a half hours and has had more than 317,000 views since it was put up in July 2017.
The YouTube video “Who Impersonated Lee Harvey Oswald,” based on a lengthy interview with John Armstrong, has had more than 260,000 views.
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7 hours ago, John Butler said:
Domingo Benavides, an auto mechanic, was witness to the murder of Officer Tippit. Benavides testified he got a "really good view of the slayer."
Benavides said the killer resembled newspaper pictures of Oswald, but he described him differently, "I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline went square instead of tapered off . . ."
Benavides reported he was repeatedly threatened by the police who advised him not to talk about what he saw.
In mid-February 1964, his brother Eddy, who resembled him, was fatally shot in the back of the head at a beer joint on Second Avenue in Dallas. The case was marked "unsolved."
Benavides's father-in-law J. W. Jackson was not impressed by the investigation. He began his own inquiry. Two weeks later, J.W. Jackson was shot at his home. As the gunman escaped, a police car came around the block. It made no attempt to follow the speeding car with the gunman.Thanks, John. The Penn Jones write-up excerpted above is highly relevant to subject of this thread.
Many of the witnesses to the Tippit slaying weren’t even in the same block in which Tippit was killed, but Domingo Benavides probably was the nearest of all of them to the murder, just a few feet away. As noted by Penn Jones, Benavides thought the killer looked like the newspaper pictures of Oswald, except for the hair on the back of his neck.
In this thread about two Oswalds at the Texas Theater, isn’t it amazing that
- The closest witness to the Tippit slaying claimed the killer looked like Oswald, except for a minor detail?
- When Oswald was boarding a bus to leave the TSBD, Roger Craig and four other witnesses saw someone who looked like Oswald getting into a Nash Rambler station wagon?
- The evidence suggests Oswald, wearing a brown or red shirt was inside the TSBD at the same time a lookalike wearing a white t-shirt was?
- For six weeks prior to the assassination, someone who looked like Oswald made four different appearances at the Sports Drome Rifle Range and visits to Morgan’s Gun Shop, the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership, the Irving Furniture Mart, the Southland Hotel parking garage, and so on?
Are we to believe these are all coincidences? Or is it more logical to assume, as Sylvia Meagher so carefully considered more than half a century ago, that someone was deliberately impersonating Oswald?
(Shhhhhh! Please dont’ tell Mr. Bojczuk about this. He’ll start saying again that I’m “disgraceful” and “ridiculous” and “crazy” and “brain dead” and “paranoid” and wearing a “tin-foil hat” and “gullible” and so on. Mr. B. wont even consider the possibility that Oswald was deliberately impersonated in all the above episodes. But why won’t he even consider it? Why?)
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49 minutes ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Jim has given us one more example of the 'Harvey and Lee' modus operandi, something he has done over and over again: when you're cornered, change the subject.
Mr. B. continues with the personal insults, pretending that I have been “cornered” and then “change the subject” when, in fact, I have offered at least three times earlier in this very thread the analysis of James Douglass that completely demolishes his “three Oswald” talking point about the known facts regarding the Texas Theater. As I wrote in this post,
Finally, Mr. B. predicates his silly “three Oswald” business on his own parsing of Burroughs’ statements, claiming that even if the second Oswald was brought downstairs from the balcony before Burroughs’ saw him that would preclude a balcony arrest. Nothing in Crossfire or JFK and the Unspeakable precludes a balcony arrest for the man both Burroughs and Haire obviously thought looked like Classic Oswald®.
James Douglass said it clearly when he wrote (emphasis added):
Because Butch Burroughs saw neither Oswald nor his lookalike enter the Texas Theater, each must have gone directly up the balcony stairs on entering. Oswald crossed the balcony and came down the stairs on the far side of the lobby. There he entered the orchestra seats and began his seat-hopping, in apparent search of a contact. His lookalike sneaked into the theater at 1:45 P.M. and, like Oswald, went immediately up the balcony stairs. By the time Burroughs witnessed the Oswald double’s arrest, he had also come down the balcony stairs on the far side of the lobby, either on his own or already accompanied by police who had been checking the balcony. [JFK and the Unspeakable, p. 461]
We've been over all this before, of course, but Mr. B. continues to press his "three Oswald" nonsense. Pretending that the existing evidence about the theater arrests required “three Oswalds” to make sense is nothing but rhetorical diarrhea.
Mr. B. wants us to believe that the second Oswald, who Burroughs and Haire both thought they saw arrested, was actually George Applin. In fact, he states this as if it were a known fact! He states this
- even though he doesn’t have the slightest idea if Applin looked anything at all like Classic Oswald®,
- even though he doesn’t know if Applin left by the back entrance, as the man both Burroughs and Haire witnessed did, or the front entrance,
- and even though Applin left the theater only after police had locked down the building and interviewed every theater patron, by most estimates approaching twenty people.
When Mr. B. whines that I "change the subject" when cornered, what I actually do is offer more and more evidence that there were two Oswalds following pre-conceived instructions throughout the day of 11/22/63, that these two Oswalds had been active for weeks and years before, and that this is obviously relevant to a discussion of two Oswalds in the Texas Theater.
Mr. B. also wants readers to believe that all this two Oswald evidence has been "debunked" by banned forum member Greg Parker. He provides link after link to Parker's site and wants us to believe that it's all been debunked over there. But he never describes Mr. Parker's so-called evidence right here. Why? Because he knows I can tear it apart.
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1 hour ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Jim Hargrove posts crazy stuff about fake Oswalds running around all over Dallas
This from a man who, just minutes ago in this post, praised another forum member “who does at least acknowledge the existence of more than one fake Oswald” and who also said that “there were indeed more than two Oswalds in the Texas Theater:”
In her renowned book Accessories After the Fact, Sylvia Meagher way back in 1967 wrote about two Oswalds appearing in and around Dallas in the weeks prior to the assassination. Mr. Bojczuk calls this "crazy stuff."
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Ron,
Steve Thomas and I were discussing this affidavit signed by a former Texas Department of Public Safety employee.
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Rich,
Didn’t you post to this forum a little while ago on a somewhat different account? If there are two Rich Popes in our little group, I may have to shoot myself, rhetorically speaking.
Steve,
I’ve never seen that IBM card and I suspect it’s long gone. The last info John found from Garrison’s office, I believe, was a two page memo from investigator Gary Sanders, which I’ve put below. If Garrison’s office did anything after what is described in this memo, John didn’t find it going through the files.
A fellow named Ace R. Hayes tried to dig some more on this in the early 1980s, and, if memory serves, he said he talked with the current (at the time) Department of Public Safety chief of the drivers license division and Mrs. Lee Bozarth from the same department, both of whom, he said, confirmed there was a driver’s license for Oswald.
Above is from memory and a few brief notes and it’s getting late here, but all these files are in the online John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University. The driver’s license files can be downloaded at this address:
http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/12201/rec/4
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4 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Just out of interest, which aspects of the 'Harvey and Lee and Harlee' theory does Mr Butler find the most convincing?
Allow me to provide 5 examples showing evidence for two Oswalds over an extended period of time, all prior to the time Sylvia Meagher discussed in her analysis of two Oswalds.
1. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Lee HARVEY Oswald attending Beauregard JHS in New Orleans for 89 school days during the fall 1953 semester, all the while Lee has good attendance for the very same period at PS 44 in New York City.
The New York City Board of Education record below shows that LEE Harvey Oswald attended Public School 44 starting 3/23/53 and extending through mid-January 1954.
In New Orleans, the 1953 Beauregard JHS record below shows that Lee HARVEY Oswald attended 89 days of school during the fall semester of 1953, at the same time LEE Oswald attended PS 44 in New York City.
Both the documents above were published in the Warren Volumes.
2. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
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For all the evidence on this, click here.3. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
HARVEY Oswald Departed for Taiwan Aboard the USS Skagit (AKA 105) on Sept. 14, 1958. Note "AKA 105" Under "Record of Events" near top left of this document:
The Unit Diary below shows that HARVEY Oswald was in Ping Tung, Taiwan, on Oct. 6, 1958.
Here’s a 1953 image of the ship Harvey Oswald took . Note the “K.A. 105” lettering by the bow.
During this very same time Harvey was aboard the USS Skagit and stationed in Taiwan, LEE Oswald was being treated for V.D in Atsugi, Japan. From September 14 through October 6 HARVEY Oswald was in Taiwan. At the same time, from September 16 through October 6, LEE Oswald was in Japan. Medical records for NAS Navy 3835 (Naval Hospital), located in Atsugi, Japan, show numerous medical entries for LEE Oswald recorded on Sept 16, 20, 22, 23, 29, and Oct 6.. HARVEY Oswald's assignment in Taiwan, while LEE Oswald made numerous visits to the Naval Hospital in Japan, are an obvious "smoking gun."
4. While Harvey Oswald was in Russia, Lee Oswald was working in Florida and Louisiana with anti-Castro Cubans and their handlers. Perfect examples are the HSCA testimony of Marita Lorenz and the infamous Bolton Ford visit.
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For much more on this, see an article I wrote on my website:
5. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could “Lee Harvey Oswald” drive a car? Did he have a Texas drivers license?
OFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY
STATE OF LOUISIANA
PARISH OF ORLEANS
S T A T E M E N T
DATE: February 14, 1968
STATEMENT OF: ALETHA FRAIR
RESIDING AT: 8001 Benson
New Orleans, LA
Phone - 242-2126
My name is ALETHA FRAIR (MRS. JOHN FRAIR). I live at:8001 Benson
New Orleans, La.
Phone - 242-2126I worked for the Department of Public Safety in Austin, Texas from the early part of October 1963, through the early part of December 1963. While I was employed at the Department of Public Safety I worked in the License Records Department. This Dept. Was responsible for the IBM computer records of all driver's licenses in the state of Texas.
My husband, JOHN, was working for the United Press International during November of 1963 and on November 22, 1963 he was in Uvalde, Texas, covering the birthday of ex-Vice President JOHN NANCE GARNER.
I did not go to work on the 22 of November, 1963, but the following event occured (sic) the week after the assassination of President KENNEDY.
During the week following the murder of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, on either Wednesday the 27th, or Thursday the 28th of November, 1963 the Texas driver's license issued to LEE HARVEY OSWALD came into my division.
The record (IBM card) on OSWALD was pulled from the files. Several other employees (5 or 6) of the Department saw the driver's license which was dirty and worn as though it had been carried in a billfold. The license was the talk of the office that day since everyone knew who OSWALD was, and the reason his driver's license records were being pulled from the active file was the fact that he had been killed.
In October of 1966 my husband and I moved to New Orleans and in June of 1967 my husband went to work for WWL-TV, Channel 4.
I, ALETHA FRAIR, hereby affirm that all of the above statement is true to the best of my knowledge.
Signed February 14, 1968.
(Signature of Aletha Frair)
(Signature of witness Gary Sanders)
(Signature of witness Jody Duek)For much more on this, see:
The Man Who Could--and Couldn't--Drive
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12 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Credible, multiple witness accounts put “The Decoy” at both the Top 10 Record Store buying a ticket and at Fred Moore’s Jiffy store buying two beers (and showing a Texas driver’s license for identification) in the morning of November 22 while Classic Oswald was already at the TSBD.
I meant--but forgot--to say in my post above that the Top 10 Record Store was located at 338 W. Jefferson, across the street and a block and a half west of the Texas Theater. Could American-born LEE Oswald, I mean "The Decoy," have been there early that morning to plant evidence for his arrival planned that afternoon? Can anyone imagine what that planted evidence might be?
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Interesting observation, Karl. Mrs. Roberts, at least according to her alleged sworn testimony, was indeed insistent that Classic Oswald wore a zippered jacket when preparing to leave her rooming house.
This may be why several researchers have suggested it was not Classic Oswald at all who returned to the N. Beckley house soon after the assassination. I think it was Classic Oswald, but I'll do some more checking. Thanks again for reminding us about Mrs. Robert's testimony!
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John and Steve,
Your support is appreciated. Personal insults such as those hurled continuously by Mr. B used to bother me when I first began supporting John Armstrong's work online more than two decades ago, but I've pretty much gotten used to the vitriol. If Mr.Bojczuk stops doing it, someone else will probably start. As far as I'm concerned, all it does is show how close I am getting to the truth, and how much some people are afraid of it.
Thanks again.
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Mr. B’s “Come to Jesus” Moment:
“Classic Oswald® and The Decoy”
On 9/9/2019 at 4:35 AM, Jeremy Bojczuk said:I personally wouldn't rule out the possibility that a decoy, who needn't have been the spitting image of the real-life Oswald, did indeed lead the police to the Texas Theater,
Perhaps if we referred to the two Oswalds as “Classic Oswald® and The Decoy” it would help lower Mr. B’s blood pressure. He surely knows there is a trainload of credible evidence for a “Classic Oswald and The Decoy,” not only at the Texas Theater that afternoon, but throughout the day of November 22, 1963, over much of the six weeks prior to the assassination (as analyzed by Sylvia Meagher below), and long before that.
So, what evidence of the fellow we’ll temporarily call “The Decoy” is there on November 22, 1963?
Credible, multiple witness accounts put “The Decoy” at both the Top 10 Record Store buying a ticket and at Fred Moore’s Jiffy store buying two beers (and showing a Texas driver’s license for identification) in the morning of November 22 while Classic Oswald was already at the TSBD.
The Decoy was seen immediately after the hit inside the TSBD by Mrs. Reid wearing a white t-shirt, not a brown/red shirt, despite all the efforts by the WC to get him into a brown shirt.
The Decoy may even have been photographed on the sixth floor of the TSBD. What’s sometimes hard to grasp about this case is that the The Decoy was probably Robert Oswald’s actual brother. Classic Oswald was not. Compare the hairline of the t-shirted American-born LEE Oswald, oops, I mean The Decoy, shown in this detail from the Dillard film with the so-called hunter photo taken and published by Robert Oswald in his book.
The Decoy was seen by multiple witnesses entering a Nash Rambler at just about the same time Classic Oswald got on a bus. The EVIDENCE for both the nearly simultaneous Nash Rambler and Bus and Taxi rides is simply enormous.
The second Oswald/Hidell wallet, the one that magically appeared in Capt. Westbrook’s hands at 10th and Patton, was apparently owned by the Oswald Decoy. Two Oswald/Hidell wallets for two Oswalds. Oops, I mean two wallets for “Classic Oswald and the Decoy.”
That same Oswald decoy apparently spent weeks setting up Classic Oswald before the assassination, including four different appearances at the Sports Drome Rifle Range, visits to Morgan’s Gun Shop, the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership, the Irving Furniture Mart, the Southland Hotel parking garage, and so on.
This period of weeks setting up Classic Oswald as a potential assassin is exactly what Sylvia Meagher described in her renowned book. Ms. Meagher obviously had the audacity to refer to “Two Oswalds” rather than “Classic Oswald and The Decoy,” which, I’m sure, Mr. B would prefer.
This is just a tiny sampling of the evidence iceberg for two Oswalds, I mean, for “Classic Oswald and The Decoy.” To see more, please feel free to visit my website linked below.
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9 hours ago, Karl Hilliard said:
Back to the 'Two Oswalds'... I thought I had asked about this earlier..but if Oswald did not go in the direction of the Tippit shooting but rather walked or got a ride to the Texas Theater---What might have happened to this supposed jacket that the housekeeper said he wore? I realize that no one would know, but it is still a consideration.
Karl,
What interests me most about the jacket is that it was almost immediately in the possession of Capt. Westbrook, who also held the second “Oswald/Hidell” wallet at 10th and Patton. In fact, Westbrook at one point claimed he was the first to pick up the jacket. From John A’s writeup on the November 22 page of our website:
Motorcycle officer John R. Mackey was in the parking lot behind the Texaco station. Mackey said: "About the time we reached the area the dispatcher was broadcasting information regarding the suspect & his escape route. We pulled up on Jefferson & started checking some cars parked behind a service station to see if the suspect was hiding in or under one of the cars. That's when we found his jacket. We saw Captain Westbrook in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to him." Mackey said that he turned the jacket over to Capt. Westbook. When questioned by the WC, personnel officer Westbrook said that he could not remember the name of the officer who found the jacket. Westbrook told the WC: "…. I walked on towards the parking lot behind the Texaco service station, & some officer...said, 'Look! There's a jacket under the car.... So I walked over & reached under & picked up the jacket." Westbrook said that he picked up the jacket. While Westbrook's and Mackey's stories may differ, motorcycle patrolman Thomas Hutson, who was about 25 yards away, told the HSCA that he saw Capt. Westbrook standing in the alley holding the jacket.
NOTE: In 1978 researcher Larry Ray Harris interviewed John Mackey, who refused to discuss the jacket. Mackey told Harris, "that information might be something they (senior DPD officials) don't want given out." I doubt that "senior DPD officials" would care whether it was Westbrook or Mackey who "found" the jacket. However, "senior DPD officials" would not want to give out any information that suggested Capt. Westbrook was somehow connected to the jacket.
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Mr. B. wants us to believe that the second Oswald, who Burroughs and Haire both thought they saw arrested, was actually George Applin. In fact, he states this as if it were a known fact! He states this
- even though he doesn’t have the slightest idea if Applin looked anything at all like Classic Oswald®,
- even though he doesn’t know if Applin left by the back entrance, as the man both Burroughs and Haire witnessed did, or the front entrance,
- and even though Applin left the theater only after police had locked down the building and interviewed every theater patron, by most estimates approaching twenty people.
Burroughs said the second arrest happened just “three or four minutes later” than the arrest of Classic Oswald. Jim Marrs interviewed Bernard Haire in 1987 and noted that Haire told him that the man he thought was Oswald, the man brought out the theater’s back door, “seemed to be flushed, as if he’d been in a struggle.” [Crossfire, p. 354] Is there evidence that Applin fought with police? I don’t think so.
Finally, Mr. B. predicates his silly “three Oswald” business on his own parsing of Burroughs’ statements, claiming that even if the second Oswald was brought downstairs from the balcony before Burroughs’ saw him that would preclude a balcony arrest. Nothing in Crossfire or JFK and the Unspeakable precludes a balcony arrest for the man both Burroughs and Haire obviously thought looked like Classic Oswald®.
James Douglass said it clearly when he wrote (emphasis added):
Because Butch Burroughs saw neither Oswald nor his lookalike enter the Texas Theater, each must have gone directly up the balcony stairs on entering. Oswald crossed the balcony and came down the stairs on the far side of the lobby. There he entered the orchestra seats and began his seat-hopping, in apparent search of a contact. His lookalike sneaked into the theater at 1:45 P.M. and, like Oswald, went immediately up the balcony stairs. By the time Burroughs witnessed the Oswald double’s arrest, he had also come down the balcony stairs on the far side of the lobby, either on his own or already accompanied by police who had been checking the balcony. [JFK and the Unspeakable, p. 461]
We've been over all this before, of course, but Mr. B. continues to press his "three Oswald" nonsense. Pretending that the existing evidence about the theater arrests required “three Oswalds” to make sense is nothing but rhetorical diarrhea.
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In a thread about two Oswalds at the Texas Theater, I’d just like to point out that there is a trainload of evidence indicating that there were always two "Lee Harvey Oswalds" from the mid-1950s until 11/22/1963!