Cliff, What Doug, I believe is alluding to is that there is a theory that Comey, knows now the extent of involvement of Trump, Flynn, and Manafort in coordinating with Putin to rig the election and has incentive to atone for his series of bad pre election decisions.

1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

I have a radical approach to the case that annoys CT Pet Theorists.

Mine is a truly revolutionary approach.

It's not out of the box thinking it's burn the box down and start over thinking.

I approach the ambush of 11/22/63 like any standard murder case.

 1) A rigorous examination of the physical evidence.

2)  A blank tackboard.

3)  Proven liars are Persons of Interest, depending on the significance of the lies.

In the context of the Kennedy assassination this approach is wholly original.

You've whet my appetite Cliff. Could you give me a thumbnail sketch of it?

I think that Trump was so deluded, he picked a fight with intelligence,the media and is still picking a fight with the Democrats (?? and what can they do?) thinking that his fringe would help him. Then the Intelligence met with him and showed him what they had. Now it's obvious there's a web of people around him that has been colluding with the Russians who were willing to offer a lifting of sanctions and now all of the press and Intelligence gathering agencies around the world  are trying to find out what Trump knew and when he knew it. And whose fault is that?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-question-of-the-day_us_58a3f3b3e4b0ab2d2b1a7c44?

Trump obviously knows what Flynn was up to. Flynn has not admitted lying to Trump, but to Spence. I would assume, they must be able to question Flynn as to what Trump knew.

Yes, well done Pat. I actually eat this stuff up. What gives Republicans conviction is looking at an overall map of the 2016 red and blue states. which the overall land surface area looks like a Republican landslide. As well as county by county.

It is interesting that you mention a 4.9% total  loss by Republicans in house congressional elections from 2014 to 2016 as I believe I had heard that for all Federal congressional elections, the Democrats had more total votes than the Republicans in federal Congressional races in the 2014.election. Which means in order to be true the Democrats would have considerably outcast them in the Senate campaigns. But maybe the figure was taking in account all campaigns, governorships, state legislators, State attorney generals, controllers, Lt. Gov. etc.

As you've pointed out the "split" elections have always been in favor of the Republicans. But It seems almost impossible that we will ever get 3/4 of the State legislatures to reverse it.  Although you show very well equal inconsistencies with smaller states  as well as larger states. It may be that the overall complexion will always over time be in a state of flux so the inequities never stay long enough to convince a smaller state to give up their privileged position,( which is really what it is.)

Obviously California, New York gets screwed, and as you've pointed previously they are the "donor" states tax wise. while it seems the "red" states who complain the most about  Federal encroachment are the "recipient" states.It certainly is a gross inequity, as the most populous states are overwhelmingly blue states, (with the exception of Texas and Florida) and are the economic engines of the country. But on the brighter side, which we certainly need in light of your findings. The demographics of Texas are inevitably slowly turning to blue.

At 2:54 , a touching encounter of man diagnosed with Cancer talking to Paul Ryan about Obamacare, but generally funny segment about Republican repeal of Obamacare.

On 1/31/2017 at 5:13 AM, Lance Payette said:

How does one "infiltrate" a public forum?  In other weirdness forums on which I participate, the prevailing mode of paranoia is to suspect those who disagree with our pet theories of being "disinformation agents" planted by the Government, the Illuminati or whatever other real or imaginary group feeds our fantasies.  If I were inclined toward paranoia, this would be my suspicion within the JFK research community as well.  Some of the theories that seem to be taken seriously are so laughably, demonstrably preposterous that it would be very easy to suspect they exist only to sow confusion.  Since I am increasingly convinced the Lone Nut theory is correct or at least substantially correct, however, it's hard for me to see what purpose would be served by a disinformation agent promoting wild and crazy conspiracy theories.  Ergo, my conclusion is that what I see here - can I say this, so long as I don't point any fingers or name any names? - is (1) a fair degree of genuine mental illness on the part of some, and (2) the promotion of a leftist political agenda under the guise of "assassination research" on the part of many.  I enjoy the occasional thread that slides off into some side topic like UFOs simply because most of the conspiracy threads are boring and silly, and the political threads are so predictably leftist they serve no purpose except to reinforce the prevailing paranoia.

I am DELIGHTED the Donald was elected.  I am 67, highly educated, financially secure, and stupid enough to have voted for Kerry once and Obama twice.  To repeat, I am DELIGHTED the Donald was elected.  Waking up in the morning to learn he had been elected, after an entire night of truly strange dreams that he had been elected, is one of the genuinely unforgettable moments of my life - really far more stunning to me than the JFK assassination, although I remember the moment I learned of it as well.  I applaud every step Trump has taken in his effort to restore our country to moral and fiscal sanity.  If Hillary had been elected (as I fully anticipated), however, I would have simply shrugged and said "Well, the inmates have spoken.  Four more years of sliding into the cesspool, but I'll just have to lay low and deal with it."  But now we see how the amalgamation of extreme special interests that constitutes the left reacts when things don't go their way; the country is bitterly divided, and perhaps on the brink of a genuine civil war, but the bitterness is almost entirely on the part of the losers who have seen their fantasies evaporate via the elective process and can't deal with it.  Good Lord, people, get over your childish fantasies of what might have been achieved if JFK had lived and your equally childish fantasies that the Dark Forces responsible for his assassination have reached their zenith in the election of Trump.  Hillary Clinton is about as much in the tradition of JFK as Pee-wee Herman (is he still around?).  JFK is no more relevant today than Warren Harding.  The Donald is the new sheriff in town.  Deal with it or go "infiltrate" Canada or France.

Lance, Whew! I'm going to leave the JFK assassination and your view of the past and current political realities out. In your response to Paul, I don't find any of your political views intolerable. (of course to you, I'm a murderer for advocating a woman's choice)

The "left wing agenda" as you put it, at the time, was confined to one thread that was critical of the election and Trump, largely made up of Doug Caddy's links until Paul put out a second thread. People are free to go to whatever threads here they please. Some topics can be of interest to some, and there might be theories here I  find hogwash.  Generally the  outrageous theories are held up to some scrutiny.

I probably wouldn't have used Paul's words "infiltrator", Because I have noticed contributing members to this site who are conservatives and Republicans. Yet still with your charge of " left wing agenda" and my joke at your expense, no number of people flocked to your defense. The reason for that is not political. But it is the prevailing snippy tone, you seem to have no choice about offering. Just in these last posts.

(1)" a fair degree of genuine mental illness on the part of some," and

(2)"simply because most of the conspiracy threads are boring and silly, and the political threads are so predictably leftist they serve no purpose except to reinforce the prevailing paranoia."

3)"childish fantasies that the Dark Forces responsible for his assassination have reached their zenith in the election of Trump."

And then I read

"In other weirdness forums on which I participate," it's sounds like you're a groupie participant in "weirdness" forums. Why would you do that? My first thought is that you're bored and would derive satisfaction from trolling sites and  starting arguments with weird,incapable people in a debate you'd be confident you could win. But that's just  my guess based on my limited experiences with you. I recently saw you over in "JFK F facts". What's your game here, Lance? What do you want from this forum?

It would appear  you're hoping to get a following through condescending behavior.  If they could only see you now back at the old Jesuit Seminary or Theological School (was it one of those?)at 67, Trolling sites of people you obviously think are inferior to get in snarky little exchanges to satisfy your ego, bloviating endlessly about yourself and your opinions and establishing right at the onset your feeling of superiority and demeaning the members of this forum. I'm confused Lance, despite your Christian self righteousness, why should we see you as anything other than a self absorbed, garden variety bully?

Whoa, I guess this isn't "your land" , Woody.

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/25/woody-guthrie-sang-of-his-contempt-for-his-landlord-donald-trumps-father/

Just in case you may have forgot and need reminding.It's been an action packed , off the wall 2 weeks.

I hope I'm wrong.

It is what it's going to be. There will be no tax records showing LHO's spy employment. The content and amount of information would have been released and been identical no matter  who won the Presidency.

I tend to think the next big government disclosure will be through the courts involving Johannides. Again, I hope I'm wrong.

13 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

I'm too ignorant and ill-informed to answer that. From here on I'm going to stick to the JFK Assassination Forum.

 

 

You know that wasn't a trick question. I thought your post back at Paul's, how do I call it "infiltrators thread" was pretty thoughtful, even if I may not agree with all of it. To me Ron, with this voting thing. You're like a guy at a junior high school dance who is waiting for the most killer girl in school to walk across the gym floor and ask him to dance. You should vote.----JMO

On 2/4/2017 at 6:30 PM, David Andrews said:

In America, journalists get you killed...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/o’reilly-told-trump-that-putin-is-a-killer-trump’s-reply-‘you-think-our-country-is-so-innocent’/ar-AAmCCVG?li=BBnb7Kz

O’Reilly told Trump that Putin is a killer. Trump’s reply: ‘You think our country is so innocent?’

Washington Post 4 February 2017

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump has long been effusive in his praise for Russian President Vladimir Putin, despite criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike.

In an interview with Fox News's Bill O'Reilly, which will air ahead of the Super Bowl on Sunday, Trump doubled down on his “respect” for Putin — even in the face of accusations that Putin and his associates have murdered journalists and dissidents in Russia.

“I do respect him. Well, I respect a lot of people, but that doesn’t mean I’ll get along with them,” Trump told O'Reilly.

O'Reilly pressed on, declaring to the president that “Putin is a killer.”

Unfazed, Trump didn't back away, but rather compared Putin's reputation for extrajudicial killings with the United States'.

“There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers,” Trump said. “Well, you think our country is so innocent?”

Trump added that he thinks the United States is “better” getting along with Russia than not.

“If Russia helps us in the fight against ISIS, which is a major fight, and Islamic terrorism all around the world, major fight. That’s a good thing,” Trump said. ISIS is another name for the Islamic State.

It wouldn't be the first time Trump has brushed aside the topic of Putin's political killings.

In a 2015 interview on “Morning Joe,” Trump was pressed on the same issue and gave a similar answer.

“He kills journalists that don't agree with him,” the show's host, Joe Scarborough, pointed out.

“Well, I think that our country does plenty of killing, too, Joe,” Trump said.

As recently as this week, a prominent Putin critic exhibited symptoms of poisoning for the second time since 2015. The incident drew the attention of Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), a staunch Russia critic, who tweetedtwo newspaper editorials that call for the United States to denounce the incident as an act of political retribution. He called both editorials “a must-read.”

 

Getting back to the story. as far as our governments official version about Putin.

 I do believe there was a looting of government resources by a privileged few insiders when the Soviet Union was dismantled. I think it was a great betrayal to the loyal citizens who at last had hope after years of enduring a life of repression and the stifling of their opportunities. Many who had fought to defeat the Germans. If ever there was a definition of a Kleptocracy, I believe they're it.

I think these people who were party to it including Putin ended up sapping the life from their newborn country. They are an illegitimate government , but right now, I'm not sure we're much better. I remember Putin teasing us about the results of the 2000 Bush vs. Gore election.. That's what we get for not having a popularly elected President.

Where I could grant that people could differ in opinion is the charge that Putin  is guilty of having journalists killed is just our propaganda.. But if I had to bet, I'd say yeah, the suckers are guilty. Certainly a number of people on the inside think that.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/02/05/your_super_bowl_election_jokes_are_very_very_bad.html

Ron, I got a pretty good idea what Paul perceives as a threat to our country. I know you have a healthy concern for an enemy threat from without. Internally or externally, What do you see as the biggest current threat to America today?

Great find, Jim..  I can't believe I've never read this before. I think Castro thought it was necessary to bring up every incongruity of the case against Oswald, lest hot heads prevail. The first third of it is sort of typically rambling, redundant, verbose Castro, but then what is remarkable is his  command of Oswald's case. Asking the real questions that few others were asking.

Check out each countries individual ads.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tv-satire-europe-donald-trump_us_5894791ee4b0c1284f25556f?ncid=APPLENEWS00001

Good post, Dave. That he would shun  our allies and hunker down under pressure to defend Putin just reinforces his conflict.

Testimonial as to Donald Trump's Big Heart- At 8:00---Our President in a moment of sober reflection,talks of God

To any interested, here's DK's final appearance on What's My Line. She doesn't look great, a bit sweaty.

She died that night or next morning.

Yeah, I interviewed Chomsky once.   Long ago, he just became ensconced in  his lifestyle. He made a calculation his standing would suffer.

Boy this Palmer. I want to believe everything he says, but his headlines  appears very incendiary.  He's an anti Trump partisan no doubt. He may have a great inside track as a few things he's said have turned out true. If we ever find out , and he's right on all these allegations, he'd look like a genius.

Paul, I've tried to PM, but apparently you have that turned off?

Thanks Doug,

Scraping the bottom of barrel now. This guy was always a cynical, snarky maofao.

I never really liked Seth Myers that much. I didn't think he should have his own extra late night talk show. But I was wrong. He emphasizes what he does well, parody on current news events, and he doesn't do a monologue. I'm not sure why the disparity of screen size.

a closer look :" Alternative facts" and the Woman's march

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A closer look:Trump talks of voter fraud and executive orders

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That's interesting Joe. The question is whether somebody just went with that info to create some fake news. I remember comparing photos of a young Rafael Cruz to the guy who was with Oswald back then. It was inconclusive but the one common feature I did notice was that their foreheads were similar.

12 hours ago, Lance Payette said:

How does one "infiltrate" a public forum?  In other weirdness forums on which I participate, the prevailing mode of paranoia is to suspect those who disagree with our pet theories of being "disinformation agents" planted by the Government, the Illuminati or whatever other real or imaginary group feeds our fantasies.  If I were inclined toward paranoia, this would be my suspicion within the JFK research community as well.  Some of the theories that seem to be taken seriously are so laughably, demonstrably preposterous that it would be very easy to suspect they exist only to sow confusion.  Since I am increasingly convinced the Lone Nut theory is correct or at least substantially correct, however, it's hard for me to see what purpose would be served by a disinformation agent promoting wild and crazy conspiracy theories.  Ergo, my conclusion is that what I see here - can I say this, so long as I don't point any fingers or name any names? - is (1) a fair degree of genuine mental illness on the part of some, and (2) the promotion of a leftist political agenda under the guise of "assassination research" on the part of many.  I enjoy the occasional thread that slides off into some side topic like UFOs simply because most of the conspiracy threads are boring and silly, and the political threads are so predictably leftist they serve no purpose except to reinforce the prevailing paranoia.

I am DELIGHTED the Donald was elected.  I am 67, highly educated, financially secure, and stupid enough to have voted for Kerry once and Obama twice.  To repeat, I am DELIGHTED the Donald was elected.  Waking up in the morning to learn he had been elected, after an entire night of truly strange dreams that he had been elected, is one of the genuinely unforgettable moments of my life - really far more stunning to me than the JFK assassination, although I remember the moment I learned of it as well.  I applaud every step Trump has taken in his effort to restore our country to moral and fiscal sanity.  If Hillary had been elected (as I fully anticipated), however, I would have simply shrugged and said "Well, the inmates have spoken.  Four more years of sliding into the cesspool, but I'll just have to lay low and deal with it."  But now we see how the amalgamation of extreme special interests that constitutes the left reacts when things don't go their way; the country is bitterly divided, and perhaps on the brink of a genuine civil war, but the bitterness is almost entirely on the part of the losers who have seen their fantasies evaporate via the elective process and can't deal with it.  Good Lord, people, get over your childish fantasies of what might have been achieved if JFK had lived and your equally childish fantasies that the Dark Forces responsible for his assassination have reached their zenith in the election of Trump.  Hillary Clinton is about as much in the tradition of JFK as Pee-wee Herman (is he still around?).  JFK is no more relevant today than Warren Harding.  The Donald is the new sheriff in town.  Deal with it or go "infiltrate" Canada or France.

Hey counselor, maybe you should recuse yourself from this site. . heh heh----Just kidding man. I've got no problem with your Trump thing.(fiscal sanity?, are you sane!)  But your family affiliation to UFC and JF Dulles is funny.

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.Wow, it's kind of thrilling writing the catalyst thread. Late last night when I was browsing here, I really didn't expect to see Paul's thread. I suppose you'd say the lefties have come out as result of this unusual impasse that  we find ourselves in our nation's history. But really under normal times, I hardly see that at all, except some people are so admiring of the Kennedy's that their political affiliations inevitably spill out. I'm a fan, but I think of my admiration for JFK has to do with his potential and in my mind, what might have been. I was making a very specific reference that might be more apparent to media followers about  a specific new group of people who either switched allegiances or are maybe traditional blue state voters who are voting for the first time for Trump. Yes I think they're duped and I can't see any way in 4 years that Trump will be their savior. But honestly I couldn't with Hillary either. Throughout our lifetimes and the last century, could you ever see a Republican controlled Congress institute a "retooling" program. Not any more likely than a serviceable universal Health Care program, or a Social security program or a Medicare program.