Kirk Gallaway

With the Cuban missile only a year passed, the public had hopes that we had traversed the last hurdle to World Nuclear War. In the days following the assassination, the immediate feed of information was to intentionally portray Oswald as leftist, pro Cuban revolution and possible agent of Castro, which was the the greatest fear in the public mind.

The following day, Hoover expressing doubts to LBJ about the CIA story line ( Oswald visiting the Soviet embassy in Mexico City,) started the pretext for a cover up to disavow Oswald connections to the right or the left, and portray him as a lone, deranged nut. All the high level officials and/or possible conspirators knew, whatever may be divulged in the future, about their criminal cover up of conspiracy would be judged leniently in history as the custodians of the public good in diverting a possible WW3 scenario, or domestic unrest at home.

That of course precludes the possibility, that the conspiracy was carried out at the highest levels of government and/or a cabal of the worlds power elites, which was not at the time seriously considered in the public mind.

The potential losers ranged from Hoover to McCone to RFK and lots of individuals in between. None of whom wanted a full-blown, wide-ranging, open-to-the public investigation of the murder; an investigation that might go down any number of roads; an investigation that might reveal all kinds of hidden information having nothing to do, strictly speaking, with the assassination. Information that would ruin careers; that would prompt cries for even deeper digging. No one who had skeletons in the closet wanted to be the subject of any such investigation.

The best possible course of action for all the potential losers was to rally behind the Warren Commission, knowing for sure that the Commission would have the final say in all the venues that mattered (especially the press); would say there was no conspiracy; and would thereby obviate a real, wide-ranging, unfettered, dangerous investigation.

I'm inclined, therefore, to believe the cover-up fell into place naturally and was not connected to the plot to kill JFK.

I'm also inclined to believe the plotters knew there would be a cover-up if they offered a straw for the cover-up masters to grasp. The straw, Oswald, was grasped firmly and immediately. It was a beautiful plan.

Well put!, I think it was an elegant, beautiful plan that has now escaped detection for 50 years. Where I might tend to disagree is that the elegance of the cover up falling into place doesn't necessarily mean that the plotters weren't also part of the cover up.

Thanks Ron and Sandy for those anagrams. There has been a bit of "trickery" in Curtis. We do appreciate your "awestruck' by this forum but not to the point of being "one scintilla" persuaded is a bit hard to swallow. I suppose if that wasn't trickery, you're a guy whose always wanted to be seduced by someone else, but would let never let himself. Pity!

You certainly must be a "bickerer' to just to undertake posting in the first place. But you're not the only one.

Anyway this is all in good fun. I have some anagrams I'd like to contribute. Curtis, Dave, (love your JFK film library!) This onslaught of anagram diversion might be rather disconcerting, but I urge you guys to just relax and walk a little on the wild side. I often think of the empty void a LN would face without a CT. Some critical thought is good, but in every forum I've visited, I think the LN needs us more then we need them.

I've done some personal research on anagrams and I really think there's something to this anagram thing.

ANAGRAMS

I'm pretty sure I got them all right. Sometimes it reads almost a time line, or a progression.

President George W. Bush

Greed rips the U.S.! Now Beg!

Enthused, bigger powers!

White person begrudges!

Purge those dweeb grins!

Begrudge this new poser!

George Walker Bush, President of the USA

The bugger seeks of oil! He's a warped runt!

President Bush of the USA

Phase of untested hubris

Hothead usurps benefits

USA President George Bush

Huge, depressing saboteur

Ass... one stupid bugger here!

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Ran on all wrong ideas

Hey I can put down the Democrats too.

But for now, I'll just put out a teaser on Obama. Remember Obama's short honeymoon period at the beginning of his Presidency? Actually he never had one, but there was some good will seeping around when he was President Elect, but of course, it just couldn't last.

President Elect Barack Obama

America pretends to be a black

Later, and after the internet became a staple of our lives (sometime around 2000-01, maybe?), and it [the Warren Report] was readily available, I still felt a pang of honest hesitation in reading it. For reasons unknown at the time, but which become clearer with the dual benefit of both age and hindsight, I now know that I put it off for so long, simply because I was afraid of what I might find, and worse, that it would all make sense, and that my own intellectual honesty would force me to sacrifice even the last vestiges of any possibility of my conspiratorial beliefs." Curtis Berkley

Usually the more people read the WR, the more stunned they are at the WR conclusions. Perhaps you were just looking for set answers and were unable to ask any questions of your own.

"Not one scintilla of evidence" , I assume you're a big Jerry Ford fan.

I read this forum from time to time, and quite enjoy it. I am often amazed, awe-struck even, at the depth and breadth of knowledge assembled here, and the expert-level attention to the faintest or most minutest detail.

Awestruck, but not "one scintilla" persuaded by the depth and breadth assembled here? Were you just being kind, or just not entirely truthful about where you're coming from?

But, I often get lost in those weeds, and I fear that I (and perhaps others) often miss the larger picture. And it is that desire, to understand where it all begins for each of you, which prefaces my question.

Really?, it doesn't sound like you're "one scintilla" lost at all.

You've gotten a very energetic response to your one question. Your respondents are positively engaged and responding to one another whether you're participating or not. I'll assume you didn't just pose this question to suck everybody's energy and give none of your own, or at least that wasn't your initial intention. Ok, maybe it was short sighted of you to bring up this question during the xmas holiday, but now that we have more time and that's over. Where are you? Are you planning to bring anything to the table?

I haven't read the book yet. I appreciate very much Jim Di's well written, thorough review, and have personally noted in his and others past reviews, his list of revelations that he just posted from the book. But isn't it fair to say we don't have a smoking gun?

Do you think the NYT or WP owners were told not to review this book, or did they make this decision on their own?

Honestly, I think it's the editors. Over the years the Kennedy assassination has become this mutually reinforced little piffle. No news is good news.

I wonder what is the current relationship of David Talbot with:

• Salon, which he founded but left.

Most importantly:

• The Clintons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Talbot

Perhaps Bill Clinton sees Talbot, his former protegee, as somebody who has gone maverick ?

While we are on the topic: What are the chances that the 2 candidates will be asked in their debates about the Kennedy documents?

-Ramon

I would say the chances are -459F.

I'm only asking for your conjecture on this Douglas,

So if murdering Dorothy Hunt was the way for the CIA to eliminate a witness and send a death message to Howard Hunt. It's obvious the CIA had no allegiance to him. So on his deathbed, why didn't he just come completely clean about CIA complicity in the Kennedy assassination rather then pass it off it on a few rogue CIA agents and put the blame on Johnson? Do you think he honestly believes that?

Thank you Douglas for putting this in chronological perspective. Hunts pleading tone and Colson's asking him if he's used this opportunity to do more writing lead me to assume he was in jail.

So in your judgment, and revealed in the Saint John Hunt interview, Hunts wife was killed to quash any idea in Hunt's mind of revealing anything.

Perhaps this was an opening plea, as Hunt seems to be trying to get along, and his tone comes off as sort of,"Gee fellas, do you think you could pony up a little money for your loyal friends?"

Sorry,my bad, I initially posted this on the wrong thread.

Here's a recording between Colson and Hunt while Hunt was in prison. It's pretty obvious what Hunt wants and just as obvious all Colson wants is to cover his and White House's ass.

Sorry, my bad. I meant to post this on the St. John Hunt thread.

Here's a recording between Colson and Hunt while Hunt was in prison. It's pretty obvious what Hunt wants and just as obvious all Colson wants is to cover his and White House's ass.

Yeah,damn

Back to the film. I would say his movements seem contrived because he doesn't really appear to be scratching anything to me. Perhaps it is a signal. I believe the theorized thin camera strap on his collar are really just the shadows because if you look at the man in front of him, he also appears to have a ring lining his collar.

You may be on to something, Thom. It could be Morales, the man in the film does have a rather long head as does Morales.

Hmmm, Paul T., if you're reading this. Perhaps in your hiatus, you might go to a city with a sizable black population, such as Houston, walk up to a black man there and inobtrusively ask to look at his palm.

Just a suggestion.

Douglas, I did enjoy listening to this a few months back and did take William's question up with the dark journalist guy. In reading the responses to the interview, it did seem that "alien presence" disclosure was the pearl of the interview to his listeners, and a great source of validation for them.

My purpose is not to get into the topic of aliens, but when you asked Hunt why he broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters and after some diversions he tells you it was to search for their knowledge of an "alien presence". Wouldn't that be the most period perfect, stunning, dead-in- your-tracks, no more questions, disclosure that a pathological xxxx like Hunt could make?

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