Kirk Gallaway

What I tend to think is that is that Hume was approached as others such as Earl Warren by LBJ,(but by maybe a Naval Intelligence source?) that sources on high say that Oswald is tied to Castro and it's Hume's patriotic duty to perform certain tasks as instructed to follow a concocted lone gunman story to avert possible Nuclear War.

I agree that the biggest revelation for me in DCB was how the French Algerian right wing coupe and the attempts on De Gaulle's life and their parallel to the Kennedy assassination. I wonder what was Talbot's source for Dulles's counsel to JFK that 80% of De Gaulle's military had turned against him and his ouster if not assassination was a fait accompli? Did he site that? Other very interesting things -2 traitors Dulles and Himmler trying to negotiate the end of WW2! -Dulles was emboldened by being the first agency to resist Mac Carthy. Interesting! -Personal :That his wife was having sessions with Carl Jung! That his wife and Mary Bancroft became friends.. -The who's who corporate presence at his funeral. Yes, Talbot does refer to the power elites and Dulles and his brother's connections to them. The book IMO, is a triumph. The life and times of the spymaster, Allen Dulles is a great focus on the dark side of America's 20th Century Geopolitics. Re: the JFK Assassination, I don't come out of it feeling that satisfied, but I didn't expect to, still sadly it may be as close as we can ever get to at least the plotters. Certainly you come out of it with increased resolve that Dulles is quite the DouCh Bag, and you certainly can't put it past him. Another interesting tidbit in the book. I thought Michael Paine was in Woods Hole Mass. So he's now in Northern California, at least near where Ruth is. Hmm,

I've read Brothers and all but the second quarter of DCB. DCB, I'd highly recommend it. Talbot is very convincing but I've tended to lean in that direction for awhile but no one book is going to absolutely convince me that Allen Dulles was the man behind the assassination. But even if he was, he was still answering to others.

Ok Paul, that's a bit more nuanced. Paul Trejo said, Yet I maintain that if the WC had fingered General Walker and the Radical Right, then Liberals in the USA would have gone after them with fury. Professor David Wrone (U. of Wisconsin) said that after JFK was murdered, among the people he knew, men went out with axes to chop down JBS billboards “immediately”. There was real anger in the air. I had never heard that anecdotal story. I assume it's only an anecdotal story, as I hadn't heard much about a liberal backlash. The left's tactics in late 1963 were mostly non violent peaceful resistance with a few people getting thrown in jail for a day or two. Any fear that the left and right would start a civil war was completely unjustified. The left in 1963 would never have gotten in an armed insurrection with the right, because they knew it would be suicide. They weren't as well financed or prone to carry guns. Remember Paul, this isn't 1969, it's 1963 and those 2 years were worlds apart. But still 5 years later the left had 2 of it's major leaders assassinated and outside of a few short lived incidents, stood by pretty passively. Finally, I believe that Hoover, LBJ, Dulles and Warren all agreed – that blaming the Left or the Right for the JFK murder would start riots in the streets – riots that the FBI could not control. And if the riots got really out of hand, the USSR would have been tempted to interfere. Then the violence would have escalated to a fever pitch. I think the real reasons that Hoover, Dulles and Warren agreed to not blame the left or right was better explained in responses to Jon Tidd's recent post and not because of fear of riots in the streets. Part of the evidence of that is that many rightists still believed LHO was a communist and many leftists wondered just what he really was, and no one started a revolution about it.

Paul Trejo said: The 60's were only leftist in a relative way -- JFK spoke about letting the Vietnamese fighting their own war, but JFK also spoke about helping the South Vietnamese so that the "dominos" would stop falling. JFK was liberal, but he was also super-rich, and there was nothing socialist about JFK. Ok, Perhaps the word "leftist" could be misconstrued. ( Though it was a period of big government) But I didn't say Socialist, you did. Your response is neither here nor there. I'm talking about the movements of people, not about John Kennedy's personal political views. All the movements of people in the 60's were in place before Kennedy even got elected. For example, Do you think MLK thought Kennedy was enough into Civil rights? Do you know they were at odds? Do you really think Kennedy had anything to do with the civil rights movement? Outside of one good speech, he tried to avoid dealing with it at all costs and only confronted it when he had to. Did Kennedy have anything to do with the Free Speech movement? Understandably no. And Kennedy had already died before the anti Viet Nam war movement. However, Nixon was elected because LBJ bowed out, thank you very much. No Paul,...thank you. You just illustrated my point that Nixon's election was a fluke. You can extend that further, and also say if RFK hadn't been assassinated, Nixon never would have been elected. Your view is myopic -- its focus is strictly on the USA, without considering the USSR in the equation. The Cold War was still as white-hot as the Cuban Missile Crisis. If the fight was strictly in the USA, then it could have been resolved quickly, as you suggest. However, the entire planet was involved -- with the USSR looming large. Talk about Russian warmongering! About the only other person who would share your viewpoint on that would be Walker himself. Do you realize it was OUR military and intelligence who approached Kennedy about launching a first strike against the Russians while we still had clear missile superiority? Talk about myopic! Is there really any doubt that the USSR would have been tempted to get involved? That the CPUSA would have made a grandstand of it? That this would have energized the Radical Right to another extreme level? Is there really any doubt??? Is that called Bravado Paul? In one word: yes! IMO, you're world wide apocalyptic view of General Walker being brought to justice is totally bananas! If the Left had gone after the Minutemen on the Right-wing (who were massively well armed, including military grade equipment) the FBI would have needed more help -- and the Coast Guard would have not been enough. Riots in the streets were plausible -- but this was during the Cold War! If the left had gone after the right wing??? And what do mean by the left? Martin Luther King and his non violent protesters? There were no radical student groups before the Viet Nam War. Who specifically are you talking about in this war you were projecting? Don't underestimate the Minutemen of the 1960's, please, Kirk. Don't underestimate the power of the American military, Paul. The minutemen would squashed out like a toad on the road. You also write: "Even in the South, the Civil Rights Movement was non violent." Excuse me?! It was only a few months before JFK was murdered, that Medgar Evars was shot in the back in his driveway in Mississippi. It was only a couple more years after JFK was murdered that MLK was also murdered in cold blood. The Civil Rights Movement in the South was non-violent? Nonsense. I think you better check you scorecard Paul. Do you understand that General Walker, the KKK and the various other White Supremacist groups are not part of the Civil Rights movement? With all due respect Paul, I like some of your diggings. But If Caulfield's book veer into these contrived, paranoid right wing apocalyptic visions you enumerate here. I think I'll pass on it.

Agreed, this is a point Paul T. mistakenly makes over and over again. But it's a fallacy, and it ignores the context of the 60's. Paul T., despite the revisionist media articles you may have read about the 60's, tauting the Goldwater republican candidacy being the start of the modern conservative movement, the 60's was a leftist decade, the last one since. Both houses were overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats for the entire decade. Nixon was elected on a fluke, by the riots in Chicago, at the Democratic convention in 1968, where the left clearly shot itself in the foot, or there wouldn't have even been a enlected Republican president for the entire decade. If the Kennedy assassination conspiracy was revealed to have been fomented by General Walker and his assorted group of rednecks, as you assert, the left would have gotten their small pound of flesh and outside a more vigorous prosecution for white hate crimes, that would have been the end of it. No politicians from that time would be afraid of an all out left right war. Even in the South, the Civil Rights Movement was non violent. Sure there was the JBS, and some Texas millionaires, but the organized right civilian resistance was largely a segregationist movement in the South. Your motive for all this involved government cover up, to protect this one disillusioned general, is completely at odds with the historic facts on the ground.

With the Cuban missile only a year passed, the public had hopes that we had traversed the last hurdle to World Nuclear War. In the days following the assassination, the immediate feed of information was to intentionally portray Oswald as leftist, pro Cuban revolution and possible agent of Castro, which was the the greatest fear in the public mind. The following day, Hoover expressing doubts to LBJ about the CIA story line ( Oswald visiting the Soviet embassy in Mexico City,) started the pretext for a cover up to disavow Oswald connections to the right or the left, and portray him as a lone, deranged nut. All the high level officials and/or possible conspirators knew, whatever may be divulged in the future, about their criminal cover up of conspiracy would be judged leniently in history as the custodians of the public good in diverting a possible WW3 scenario, or domestic unrest at home. That of course precludes the possibility, that the conspiracy was carried out at the highest levels of government and/or a cabal of the worlds power elites, which was not at the time seriously considered in the public mind. Well put!, I think it was an elegant, beautiful plan that has now escaped detection for 50 years. Where I might tend to disagree is that the elegance of the cover up falling into place doesn't necessarily mean that the plotters weren't also part of the cover up.

Thanks Ron and Sandy for those anagrams. There has been a bit of "trickery" in Curtis. We do appreciate your "awestruck' by this forum but not to the point of being "one scintilla" persuaded is a bit hard to swallow. I suppose if that wasn't trickery, you're a guy whose always wanted to be seduced by someone else, but would let never let himself. Pity! You certainly must be a "bickerer' to just to undertake posting in the first place. But you're not the only one. Anyway this is all in good fun. I have some anagrams I'd like to contribute. Curtis, Dave, (love your JFK film library!) This onslaught of anagram diversion might be rather disconcerting, but I urge you guys to just relax and walk a little on the wild side. I often think of the empty void a LN would face without a CT. Some critical thought is good, but in every forum I've visited, I think the LN needs us more then we need them. I've done some personal research on anagrams and I really think there's something to this anagram thing. ANAGRAMS I'm pretty sure I got them all right. Sometimes it reads almost a time line, or a progression. President George W. Bush Greed rips the U.S.! Now Beg! Enthused, bigger powers! White person begrudges! Purge those dweeb grins! Begrudge this new poser! George Walker Bush, President of the USA The bugger seeks of oil! He's a warped runt! President Bush of the USA Phase of untested hubris Hothead usurps benefits USA President George Bush Huge, depressing saboteur Ass... one stupid bugger here! Ronald Wilson Reagan Ran on all wrong ideas Hey I can put down the Democrats too. But for now, I'll just put out a teaser on Obama. Remember Obama's short honeymoon period at the beginning of his Presidency? Actually he never had one, but there was some good will seeping around when he was President Elect, but of course, it just couldn't last. President Elect Barack Obama America pretends to be a black

Later, and after the internet became a staple of our lives (sometime around 2000-01, maybe?), and it [the Warren Report] was readily available, I still felt a pang of honest hesitation in reading it. For reasons unknown at the time, but which become clearer with the dual benefit of both age and hindsight, I now know that I put it off for so long, simply because I was afraid of what I might find, and worse, that it would all make sense, and that my own intellectual honesty would force me to sacrifice even the last vestiges of any possibility of my conspiratorial beliefs." Curtis Berkley Usually the more people read the WR, the more stunned they are at the WR conclusions. Perhaps you were just looking for set answers and were unable to ask any questions of your own. "Not one scintilla of evidence" , I assume you're a big Jerry Ford fan. I read this forum from time to time, and quite enjoy it. I am often amazed, awe-struck even, at the depth and breadth of knowledge assembled here, and the expert-level attention to the faintest or most minutest detail. Awestruck, but not "one scintilla" persuaded by the depth and breadth assembled here? Were you just being kind, or just not entirely truthful about where you're coming from? But, I often get lost in those weeds, and I fear that I (and perhaps others) often miss the larger picture. And it is that desire, to understand where it all begins for each of you, which prefaces my question. Really?, it doesn't sound like you're "one scintilla" lost at all. You've gotten a very energetic response to your one question. Your respondents are positively engaged and responding to one another whether you're participating or not. I'll assume you didn't just pose this question to suck everybody's energy and give none of your own, or at least that wasn't your initial intention. Ok, maybe it was short sighted of you to bring up this question during the xmas holiday, but now that we have more time and that's over. Where are you? Are you planning to bring anything to the table?

I haven't read the book yet. I appreciate very much Jim Di's well written, thorough review, and have personally noted in his and others past reviews, his list of revelations that he just posted from the book. But isn't it fair to say we don't have a smoking gun?

Honestly, I think it's the editors. Over the years the Kennedy assassination has become this mutually reinforced little piffle. No news is good news.

I would say the chances are -459F.

I'm only asking for your conjecture on this Douglas, So if murdering Dorothy Hunt was the way for the CIA to eliminate a witness and send a death message to Howard Hunt. It's obvious the CIA had no allegiance to him. So on his deathbed, why didn't he just come completely clean about CIA complicity in the Kennedy assassination rather then pass it off it on a few rogue CIA agents and put the blame on Johnson? Do you think he honestly believes that?

Thank you Douglas for putting this in chronological perspective. Hunts pleading tone and Colson's asking him if he's used this opportunity to do more writing lead me to assume he was in jail. So in your judgment, and revealed in the Saint John Hunt interview, Hunts wife was killed to quash any idea in Hunt's mind of revealing anything. Perhaps this was an opening plea, as Hunt seems to be trying to get along, and his tone comes off as sort of,"Gee fellas, do you think you could pony up a little money for your loyal friends?"

Sorry,my bad, I initially posted this on the wrong thread. Here's a recording between Colson and Hunt while Hunt was in prison. It's pretty obvious what Hunt wants and just as obvious all Colson wants is to cover his and White House's ass. . When Colson means to be discreet, he mutters as if someone may be listening. Interesting at 7:20, Colson confidently belches out, "Well I always thought when I wrote my memoirs of this campaign, I'm going to say that Watergate was brilliantly conceived as an escapade that, uh,would divert the Democrats from the real issues and therefore would permit us to win a landslide we wouldn't have won otherwise. Those dumb bastards (Democrats) were on an issue that the public couldn't care less about." Ok they did win the landslide, but Colson could hardly be said to be prophetic in the long run. I assume that was a bit of bravado designed for Hunt to keep the faith. But Hunt agreed that there is a more important issue, but I don't think he agreed with Colson on what it was. "If you were the mastermind of this, it never would have fallen apart". "You're a brilliant operator and brilliant operators just don't get involved in this kind of thing". Colson keeps harping to Hunt about conversations he had with the Federal authorities, the FBI and the Grand Jury concerning Hunt, saying that if Hunt had run that operation (the break in), he never would have gotten caught. He, of course, claims not to know who ran the operation. Well how did he know Hunt didn't run the operation? Were both these quotes just a veiled way of telling Hunt, "Hey you screwed up, you have to take some responsibility, you can't just put it all on us?"

Sorry, my bad. I meant to post this on the St. John Hunt thread. Here's a recording between Colson and Hunt while Hunt was in prison. It's pretty obvious what Hunt wants and just as obvious all Colson wants is to cover his and White House's ass. https://youtu.be/IwNYgiVv-rs . When Colson means to be discreet, he mutters as if someone may be listening. Interesting at 7:20, Colson confidently belches out, "Well I always thought when I wrote my memoirs of this campaign, I'm going to say that Watergate was brilliantly conceived as an escapade that, uh,would divert the Democrats from the real issues and therefore would permit us to win a landslide we wouldn't have won otherwise. Those dumb bastards (Democrats) were on an issue that the public couldn't care less about." Ok they did win the landslide, but Colson could hardly be said to be prophetic in the long run. I assume that was a bit of bravado designed for Hunt to keep the faith. But Hunt agreed that there is a more important issue, but I don't think he agreed with Colson on what it was. "If you were the mastermind of this, it never would have fallen apart". "You're a brilliant operator and brilliant operators just don't get involved in this kind of thing". Colson keeps harping to Hunt about conversations he had with the Federal authorities, the FBI and the Grand Jury concerning Hunt, saying that if Hunt had run that operation (the break in), he never would have gotten caught. He, of course, claims not to know who ran the operation. Well how did he know Hunt didn't run the operation? Were both these quotes just a veiled way of telling Hunt, "Hey you screwed up, you have to take some responsibility, you can't just put it all on us?"

Yeah,damn

Back to the film. I would say his movements seem contrived because he doesn't really appear to be scratching anything to me. Perhaps it is a signal. I believe the theorized thin camera strap on his collar are really just the shadows because if you look at the man in front of him, he also appears to have a ring lining his collar. You may be on to something, Thom. It could be Morales, the man in the film does have a rather long head as does Morales. Hmmm, Paul T., if you're reading this. Perhaps in your hiatus, you might go to a city with a sizable black population, such as Houston, walk up to a black man there and inobtrusively ask to look at his palm. Just a suggestion.

Douglas, I did enjoy listening to this a few months back and did take William's question up with the dark journalist guy. In reading the responses to the interview, it did seem that "alien presence" disclosure was the pearl of the interview to his listeners, and a great source of validation for them. My purpose is not to get into the topic of aliens, but when you asked Hunt why he broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters and after some diversions he tells you it was to search for their knowledge of an "alien presence". Wouldn't that be the most period perfect, stunning, dead-in- your-tracks, no more questions, disclosure that a pathological xxxx like Hunt could make?

Kirk Gallaway Los Gatos Ca. Public Affairs Radio Interview Show, KFJC Los Altos Ca. Interests: History, Psychology, Politics, Sociology, Music, previously a studio owner, Acting, Film, the Performing Arts