Chris Bristow

Here is a portion of the HSCA testimony and at 49:30 they address the issue of the sirens Some interesting points made here. The congressman notes that the sirens happen 3 minutes after the gunshots and asks how that is possible. The answer is the mic would not have picked up Curry's siren at the start because it was to far away and just beyond the underpass. But the first siren was the follow up SS limo. Kinney stated as soon as the head shot happened he hit the siren and made a radio call. So the question is still open because Kinney was more like 250 feet away and not beyond the overpass (The sirens start at 5:55.) The engine on the open mic bike is still running around 2200 rpm during the sirens. So the bike is question was not going down the highway with the motorcade because the motorcade did nearly 100 mph down the freeway. McClain's 74 could never keep up with the 100 mph motorcade at 2300 rpm. Just in case my memory from a few years ago is wrong and I measured the rpm at 3200, neither the 74 or the 45 could keep up at that rpm. An old hog at 100 mph would be running around 4500 rpm. (I counted the rpm by using a wave form program. Actually it was the mac program "Garage band" which works fine for analyzing wave forms). 1. The bike in question is running at a low rpm during the sirens so it cannot be part of the motorcade. 2. The sirens start 3 minutes after the shots. 3. The sirens approach, pass, then fade off. All this taken together would make it impossible for the open mic to be McClain or anyone in the plaza. The only explanation to refute this idea is if the filters on the radio changed the rpm. It seems unlikely to me but I am open to the idea. The possible explanation for the 3 minute gap between shots and sirens would be the dicta belt skipped like a LP (you know,a record album) and the sirens were not 3 minutes apart from the shots. but if the 3 points above stand then the mic was not in the plaza during the shooting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuUI6HOId74

For what it's worth it seems to be running about 2300 RPM through almost all of the recording. Then it slows down just before the head shot which is consistent with McClain story about coming to a stop on Houston at Elm Street. I think the biggest clue is those sirens that pass by whoever had their mic open. As I recall that happens 30 seconds or more after the shots. That should speak volumes about the location of the bike in question. Since we hear the sirens approach and then pass by the open mic I have to wonder how that could ever be McClain. How could he be in a position where the sirens approach and pass him when he was behind the motorcade? I'm going from memory again but don't we hear the sirens after chief Curry announces that they are going to Parkland? That would mean the open mic would have to be somewhere along the freeway or after they got off the freeway. Because the sirens approached and then passed by within about 10 seconds we should be able to tell where the mic was based on how how much time elapsed between the shots and the sirens. So let's say the sirens came 45 seconds after the shots. If so, and combined with the fact that the sirens approached the open mic, wouldn't that prove that the open mic was not in Dealey Plaza when the shots occurred?

The dispatcher not only identifed the motorcycle as a 45 cubic inch trike. He and McClain also identified the whistling of the person riding that bike. So there's no doubt as to which 45 trike it was, and that person was apparently positioned out by the Trade Mart at the time. There is a sound of sirens and they sound like they approach and pass very close to the trike. Then they Trail off. The sirens are of multiple Vehicles traveling together.

I know there are filters that will take out the high-end and such but I am not looking at the frequency of the sound. My judgment of it is based on the pattern of sounds. The repeating sound of the two motorcycles have a different Cadence. Consider the drumming in that Van Halen song. The frequency of course is nothing like an engine. It is simply the Rhythm of the drumming that instantly allows you to recognize that he's imitating a Harley 74. Years ago I used to radio at work and seems feasible to me that a dispatcher would know the difference sounds of different drivers bikes.

https://youtu.be/nKpyx8py1DE Here is a 5 second sound clip of the Harley engine heard from the keyed mic. I played with the equalizer and the engine sound is loud and clear thru most of the clip. I believe this is the sound of a 45ci Harley meter maid trike. The sound of McClain's 74ci bike and all Harley 74's have a very distinct sound. The drums on the Van Halen song "Hot For Teacher" is a great imitation of that distinct 74ci sound. They almost sound like a roadster with a hot camshaft. They always idle rough and uneven and it is still recognizable at higher rpm's. But what we hear on the tape is much smoother and sure seems to have the 45ci pattern. Both McClain and the dispatcher felt they recognized those different sounds and identified the engine sound as a 45ci. I can't get passed that. I also had a 66' highway Patrol 74ci for many years and the sound is so deep into my psyche I just can't fathom that engine as a 74ci. But the other big thing is we can very clearly hear the person whistling. Both McClain and the dispatcher recognized the whistle as the officer who rode a 45ci trike. Could McClain here himself whistling and not recognize it as himself? McClain said he was not a whistle while you work kind of guy. I find it hard to understand how McClain would make these mistakes.

Trying to figure out how much butchering was done by his memory or tunnel vision, and how much was done because of alteration to the Z film, and how much was done by lies he may have been prompted to tell is a tall order! Many of the witnesses described the limo stop as having stopped or almost stopped. Just how slow does the limo have to go in order for the witnesses to have a hard time telling whether it's stopped or was just moving very slowly? At 8 miles an hour it would move half of its 21 ft length every second. I think that would be easy to see even from a distance. It would be easy to see even if you were directly in front or behind like the folks on the overpass. At 4 miles an hour the limo would move about 5 feet per second. I would guess you could sense movement if you looked at it for one half of a second and saw it move about two feet. So I think the consistency of the testimony in which they couldn't be sure if it was even moving would indicate a speed of no more than two miles per hour. I can't get past how strange it was that Dan Rather offered up the observation that it didn't stop without being prompted. Similarly I find it strange that Ike Altgens offered the same unprompted observation in his WC testimony.

I can see how he would miss Clint hill running and climbing because the head shot would stun you for a moment and maybe give you tunnel vision. When he tries to put the limo at a specific location in front of the TSB it would be easy to get that wrong when you base it on Z's point of reference and the limited field of view. Rather puts a shot at Connally's 'big' turn around. Early on the FBI also assumed Connally was hit later than JFK. I don't know if he knew enough at that time to even make a slip up. Maybe he did see the clip of the turn onto Elm or hr filled in the gap with false memory of seeing it turn onto Elm.

I don't understand why he needed to mention twice that the car did not stop. Had he already heard many witnesses saying that it did stop?

Yes that is the official location. But when McClelland talks about the scalp being pulled over the defect he demonstrates the location which of course does not agree with the official story. The Warren Commission testimony of the Parkland doctors and nurses with subsequent interviews photographs and diagrams puts about 14 of the Parkland staff at odds with the official results. With only four of the Parkland staff supporting the official story I think there's enough circumstantial evidence to have valid doubts about the legitimacy of the autopsy.

Thanks for the link. I had not been able to find this particular clip on Youtube in a long time. It is clear which portion of the head McClellend was talking about when he placed his hand there a second time at 2:44. In another version on Youtube McClellend's statement about the scalp being pulled over the wound is not there. Skeptics will often claim that in the Nova doc all the doctors from Parkland agreed with the autopsy. I don't remember exactly which doctors were in the doc except for Jenkins, Peters, Dulany and McClellend. I would love to know if anyone has the full documentary. McClellend says the photos agree with what he saw that day but we have to include his caveat that they must have pulled the scalp up over the occipital parietal wound. So he can't be agreeing with the official wound placement even when he says the images agree with what he saw that day. The contradiction is such that any skeptics argument that McClellend capitulated falls apart. In a segment not seen in this clip they have Jenkins and McClellend saying they did not inspect the head wound. But Jenkins is talking about post mortem when they had no further reason to inspect the wound. McClellend is talking about before they established JFK's airway, breath and circulation. According to the ABC's of resuscitation you start with the airway,breath, circulation before doing anything else. It would be irresponsible to take time to inspect the head if the patient is not breathing yet. That is what McClellend was talking about. The Nova doc implies they never got a chance to look at the head wound closely but the WC testimony blows that argument out of the water as doctor Clark called off Dr Perry's suggestion to do open heart massage because, in part, the head wound was "Mortal". Clark made a major medical decision based on his observation of the mortal head wound which completely refutes any argument that they did not take a close look at the head wound. McClellend and Jones did a seminar around 2004 in which McClellend called the whole Nova doc a joke and again reiterated his unwavering testimony about an occipital parietal wound. One question though. If they did just pull the scalp up we would still see a great laceration in the occipital parietal wouldn't we?

I think it's harder to see the limo slow down in the Z film because it is zoomed in. There's a panorama version of the Z film that follows the limo in the current frame as it passes along the panorama. The Slowdown of the limo is much more apparent in that video. I think that might be why it's more obvious in the Nix film because we can see the background slow down as the camera pans slower to follow the limo. The limos position in the Nix film matches the Z film frame for frame so the difference must be an illusion. The YouTube clip below is interesting because of the way Hargis prefaces his statement about the limo almost coming to a complete stop with the caveat that this statement was not to be shown publicly. By the time of this interview the Z film have been public for years. We all knew the official story so why would he ask that it not be shown publicly? The only answer, I think the obvious answer is that he was contradicting the official story. So people can argue about Witnesses descriptions of how slow the limo went but I think Hargis makes it clear that it went slower then what we see in the official Zapruder film

I am updating a previous post, it should be less confusing and makes a new point. The shooter possible locations for a 313 shot would have been limited by Greer and the window behind him. The red lines show the window of opportunity for a 313 shot from the South knoll. The shooter would have to be located where the yellow bar is between the red lines. The shooter is further limited by the Franzens and the couple to their left because the bullet would be less than five feet off the ground when it passed them. The blue lines and bar represent the location at which the shooters line of sight would be blocked by the witnesses. So the shooter in the parking lot would have to be where the yellow bar is. But that position makes it impossible for the shooter to take both the 223 and 313 shots. From the position marked by the yellow bar the angle to the limo at 223 is over 20 degrees, closer to 25 degrees(Purple line). But the angle from the apparent bullet hole in the windshield to JFK's neck is only 15 degrees. A 22 degree angle would miss JFK and hit Connally's right side. It looks like a single shooter could never have taken both shots

John, Bowers building is visible in the Stemmons photo directly above Greer's head. Directly above that is The Annex Building. The center of Bowers building/Tower lines up with the third set of Windows from the left on the Annex Building. Draw line of sight from that third set of windows and through the center of Bowers Tower. That will give you the completely accurate line of sight that leads to Continental Street a couple blocks north of the point that you have now.

John, check out the image on the right. The position of the 3 Pullman cars are marked by the 3 long red lines. Based on all the different photos and films(Nix too) that is where they sat. All the images of passenger cars in Hughes, MC2, Bond, Nix, Allen are of these 3 cars. The image in your last post that shows the line of sight back to the Stemmons & continental Ave lands a couple blocks short of Continental ave. Continental is the next major street North.

John. the 'ghost train in MC2 is part of the the same three Pullman cars you see in the Hughes film, and you can see the back end of the 1st of those three cars in the Allen photo. The policeman on the Pullman car photo has him on top of the same Pullman's as in the other photos. I have measured the location of those cars for Hughes, Allen and MC2 and the location for the back end we see in Allen is the same location in all those photos. The photo from the Stemmons freeway shows different train cars. On the left there is a boxcar behind a flatbed with some stacked pyramid shapes cargo, the another partial boxcar in front of it. I will look again for the photo but I think I saw those cars sitting farther West on the Stemmons spur, maybe 50 or 100 yards from the tower Just checked google Earth. That photo on the Stemmons shows the Dal Tex is not blocked by the TSB, there is a gap between them. You can use that to do a line of sight back to the camera location on the Stemmons. A second line of sight from the limo can be traced using Bowers tower visible in the center of the photo. The Annex is behind it and the tower lines up with the 3rd window from the left. That gives a very accurate line of sight. The limo is right over Continental Ave. Turns out those boxcars on the left side of the photo are nowhere near the yard. They are 1000 feet or so North of the plaza on track parallel to the Stemmons. The limo is about 2000 feet North of the plaza and 850 feet from those train cars. They only other track that intersects with the line of sight is tracks in the yard behind(North of) the TSB but the cars are facing 90 degrees away from the direction of those tracks. The cars on the left side of the photo are also on same track but about 800 feet closer to the yard than the other cars. Cars on the left side are about 1200 feet from the yard and the cars on the left side of the screen are about 400 feet North of the yard. I do not believe you can judge relatives sizes of objects and get their distance without specific measurements. It is a ball park judgements and needs to be verified by testing and comparing relative sizes. Like the train cars on either side of the Stemmons limo photo above look pretty close in size to be so far apart yet the cars on the left are 50% larger when you measure them. The other factor is the distance from the camera to each object. If a camera is 100 feet away from object A and 200 feet from object B the relative sizes of A& B will not be the same as a photo taken from half the distance. I THINK! I will test that and get back to you. Place yourself over Continental Ave on the Stemmons and Bower's tower will line up just as in the photo. Then draw a line from the back of the TSB which is directly behind the train cars to continental Ave and the line will show the possible locations for the train cars The dark overpass in the Paschel film is not in itself evidence of fakery and I think the lack of quality in some photos makes it hard to see the people on the bridge.

I have found one problem that complicates or limits the possible shooter locations for the 313 head shot from the south Knoll. NOTE: I have deleted the content and image in this post and creating a new updated post today 12/10.

As I recall O'connor said he noticed most of the brain missing as soon as he unwrapped JFk's head.

It does seem like a shocking contradiction. I don't know if he was implying the defect was both oc and temporal or just the laceration, but either way there was no laceration of skin near the oc area in the autopsy photos. I suppose the temporal laceration could be associated with the temple flap. He never uses the word parietal to describe the laceration and saying oc/temp puts it very low on the side of the head. So the laceration revealed the skull defect and that limits the skull defect location to a low place on the side of the head. That was his recollection within hours of working on JFK so it might be his best recollection.

It took some effort to get JFK hooked up and to test and see if the heart massage was creating a pulse. But prior to that their first concern was the airway. After the airway they did take a close look at the head wound. Doctors Clark and Jenkins examined it together and concluded that it was fatal. At that point Clark decided not to initiate open heart massage. But as I recall he was not really DOA on arrival. I assume even with no pulse you may be resuscitated.

I have found that when I try to judge distance by the relative size of objects it's easy to make mistakes. Like in the Allen picture the relative size of the Pullman versus The Boxcar can be misleading because we don't see both objects in their entirety. Because the Allen photo doesn't allow us to see the bottom of the Box Car or the Pullman it may be giving a false perspective. If we can see both in their entirety I think we would see that the bottom of the Box Car is higher than the bottom of the Pullman because it's farther away. The Boxcar is not as tall as the Pullman in the picture so I think when you saw both the bottom and the top it would be much more obvious that the boxcar is smaller then the Pullman due to perspective

It's really a mystery to me how Paul O'Connor unwrapped the president's head and immediately saw that there was hardly any brain left. Yet Jenkins was somehow handed an almost complete brain. I think he said Boswell or Humes handed it to him.

I just found a letter Dr Jenkins wrote to the Dean of a medical college on the day of the assassination. In it he describes the wound in JFK's head as "Temporal and occipital". That's a surprise! Being that the temporal occipital area is is even lower than the occipital parietal area it is harder to explain this away as an error. The letter is in vol 20 of the WC on page 252.

John, the tower is visible in the Hughes and Bell films. The lines of sight for both put the tower on the Stemmons overpass tracks, the most Westward tracks of the RR yard. The lines of sight for Bell and Hughes do pass over the East tracks on the way to the Stemmons overpass tracks, but Bell and Hughes cross the East tracks in different places and about 120 feet South of where the line of sight in Mcintyre 2 leads to. So the tower cannot be on the East tracks. If it was the tower in the Bell film would line up next to the pergola rather than the Forth Worth sign. You cannot see the boxcars under the tower in MC2 because they were not there during the assassination. The bottom section of the tower is visible in MC2 and if the boxcars were there it would block the lower 2 sections of the tower the view of the East side of the tower. The Allen photo shows the view of the West side of the tower is blocked by the boxcar, only possible if the boxcar was under the tower. Several things to conclude from this. 1)The tower is located on the Stemmons overpass tracks on the West side of the yard. 2) Because the view from MC2 shows the top of the Pullman to be higher than the billboard, we can assume that any cars on the East track would be visible in MC2 even when behind the billboard. There seems to be no place for a boxcar to hide in MC2 unless it was North of the Pullman car visible in MC2 and Allen. The boxcars were parked under the tower in the Allen photo and not there in MC2. The only conclusion possible, alterations aside, is that the boxcars were not present in the yard during the assassination. I have looked at the area behind the fence on the knoll. The light gap above the fence is created by the trees and it looks similar to the windows of the Pullman car but I think it is just the trees and maybe some building in the background.

Thanks, if the tramps retreated to the boxcar after the shooting they would have had to cross the tracks on the North side of the overpass and that long walk to the Western most racks would have made them visible to the railroad workers on the overpass. I never knew the boxcars were so far West. It makes the whole scenario hard to imagine.

John, the tower is not visible in the McIntyre photo of JFK, it is visible in the 2nd McIntyre photo of the follow up car. In the photo of the tower taken from in front of the TSB the East tower is visible but the West side is blocked by the boxcar so the boxcar was definitely under the tower but there is no boxcar there in McIntyre 2 The side of the tower has 3 sections and the boxcar is 2 1/2 sections tall. You can see all 3 sections on both sides of the tower from the McIntyre 2 photo so McIntyre was not too low to see the boxcar. If the boxcar was there it would have been almost completely visible. Notice in Mc2 we can see the top of the Southern most Pullman car which was on the East track. So from the Mc2 position we could see all the trains. The trains on the overpass would have also been visible. Some google Earth images from the Mc2 position show trains were visible above the ' Old Charter" billboard too. The Pullman cars we can see in Mc2 are farther East than the part of the track behind the billboard, the trains behind the billboard extended well above the billboard from the Mc2 position. The only trains visible during the assassination in Nix and other photos taken from elevations above approx 427 hasl were of the Pullman cars and its windows. Not sure if you meant box or Pullman car. The area left of the pergola has always looked like an alteration to me. The sharp line of the side of the pergola add to the effect. But what would they be hiding there if the boxcars and tramps were part of the intended misdirection of the assassins? I did not know the cop on the north overpass changed his story to include the freight train foster said he saw. I assumed Foster lied to cover up something but what a crazy lie to say he saw a freight train if there was not one. At frames 160 and 225 the boxcar shot would be blocked by the parastyle and the pergola. Maybe they could have a shot through the parastlye windows but that seems untenable. If the boxcar was really under the tower there was likely no shot. If it was farther south it was removed from McIntyre and other images but would still have to shoot over the knoll fence yet under the trees in front of the fence.