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    The Paine Files

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    On 1/24/2021 at 10:14 PM, Ron Bulman said:

    Maybe we need to bump this post too for Greg.  Paine telling Walthers over the ironing board "He's a Communist".  If that's not Michael implicating Lee I don't know what is.

    Spent some time down in our paper's basement yesterday reading 1963 coverage of the assassination. Noticed this in a Monday, Nov. 26 AP article headlined: There was little abut Lee Oswald to warn world that he was coming":

    ...(Michael) Paine said Oswald talked Marxism, Marxism, Marxism.

    "Oswald refused to eschew violence as a method for achieving desired ends."

    Tried to post a photo of it but I can't get the file to be small enough.

    Unacknowledged

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    Haven't been paying a lot of attention to this thread but heard someone suggest that the military may just be teasing us with UFO stuff to divert attention from Oliver Stone's new work. "Hey, look at this shiny thing over here instead!"

    Bob Dylan song about JFK assassination

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    19 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

    Listen to Trouble No More. The live performances have terrific energy and the songs really come alive...you might even find something from the concert you attended.

    I can't imagine what it was like for Bob's regular fans to experience this profound and unexpected change in demeanor and songs.  I went through an analogous phase of disbelief when I listened to Infidels, after only listening to the gospel albums.  The songs were great but some didn't make sense to me emotionally as they are so secular.  

    I remember now why I rejected the album. I was a 17-year-old college freshman when it was released in 1979. I had been a huge fan since my brother brought Blood on the Tracks home from college when I was  13. I liked the subsequent "Desire" and "Street Legal" as well, which were generally panned by critics. My junior/senior year in high school in 1978, a bunch of my partying buddies came under the influence of a charismatic young Baptist preacher that came to our town and got saved, started having prayer meetings at school, etc., and we drifted apart. It just pissed me off to see Dylan go there, too, and I  refused to have anything to do with it.

    Critique of Jim DiEugenio's Destiny Betrayed

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    On 5/14/2021 at 8:30 AM, Steve Roe said:

     

    3. Probe Vol. 2 No. 6 pp. 13-14  (I believe that was a typo, should be Vol. 2 No. 5 September 22, 1995)  This is Lisa Pease's article on "Gun Runner Ruby and the CIA, Part Two". Pease makes a mention of the Margaret Hoover incident.  Again she repeats most of the information in CE 3067, and just her own speculation on Dr. Julio Fernandez, and short on evidence. Another opinion based article. 

     

    Neither really here nor there, just kind of interesting to me at least, as an admirer of Lisa Pease's work on the JFK and RFK assassination,  but I stumbled recently on a 2003 Google Groups thread in which Pease was apparently spreading rumors that "aging actresses" Merle Oberon and Jean Seberg were sleeping with members of the Black Panthers in about 1970.

    I'm a bit of classic film buff as well and had never seen or heard anything about Merle Oberon engaging in this activity and searched for anything corroborating it and came up completely empty...not even a mention. Oberon would have been in her late 50s at the time.

    The Seberg allegations were even more troubling. Seberg, whom Pease described as "aging" at 32,  did certainly donate to the Panthers and other left wing causes, which prompted the FBI (COINTELPRO) to begin a smear campaign against her in which it was alleged that she was carrying the baby of a member of the Black Panthers.  Seberg went into labor and delivered a 4-lb baby girl prematurely. The child died a couple days later. She had her an open casket funeral to show the baby was white. 

    This is from Wikipedia about it:

    The FBI operation against Seberg, directly overseen by J. Edgar Hoover, used COINTELPRO program techniques to harass, intimidate, defame, and discredit her.[8][9] The FBI's stated goal was an unspecified "neutralization" of Seberg with a subsidiary objective to "cause her embarrassment and serve to cheapen her image with the public", while taking the "usual precautions to avoid identification of the Bureau".[34] FBI strategy and modalities can be found in FBI inter-office memos.[35]

    The smear campaign continued involving in-person surveillance and wire taps, resulting in her being effectively black listed by Hollywood.  Apparently it continued right up to the time of her suicide in 1979, and no doubt contributed to it.

    I just find it odd that a noted, respected researcher would air these thinly-sourced sensational rumors on a public forum without offering a shred of evidence of their veracity, other than it was something some woman told her.

    If this is not the same Lisa Pease, then I apologize for bringing it up. If it is, then I'll look a little more skeptically on her work moving forward.

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.gossip.celebrities/c/Sd0yvcmdXQ4?pli=1

    Edward Jay Epstein's curious defense of Jeffrey Epstein

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    2 hours ago, Richard Booth said:

    Indeed, Edward Jay Epstein has a history which is far more than having been friends with a few pedophiles. Regarding Andrew's comments, It would be missing the point to believe my insinuations about E.J. Epstein are solely based on people he knows, to the contrary my suspicions are based on his long history.

    Let's look at some of his other pals: James Angleton, Ray Rocca, Scotty Miler, Peter Bagley. Would this cast of characters have all spoken to a genuine historian who has no agenda, would this group of people all so willingly provide interviews to someone who isn't an asset?

    Following Andrew's logic, he might well be expected to counter that probably a lot of people know the entire CIA counterintelligence staff circa '63.

    I was being facetious. Who knows, let alone is friends with, 5 pedophiles?

    Nixon - 1995 Oliver Stone Film

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    14 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

    The original version of The Manchurian Candidate was really ahead of its time.  Especially when you consider that it  was made before the JFK assassination.

    Condon must have had ties to intel to come up with that concept that early.  Way before the Church Committee.

    That film has that famous scene, of the 360 degree pan where the scene changes.  And Frankenheimer says that was not done with photography, the set was all rearranged in real time.   If that is true, wow.

    Plus you had Angela Lansbury in what was her signature role.  First rate.

     

    PS Jamey, yes that is all true.  In fact, RFK was staying at Frankenheimer's house when he was killed.

     

    And she was only 4 years older than Harvey and played his mother.

    The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

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    5 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

    Fighting? Tanden 's been dead for a week. Biden  met with Manchin probably saw it useless. It just wasn't at all a progressive victory for the Dems in the 2020 election. It was the narrowest of margins.

    The political reality is if you're a person who wants the biggest stimulus check you can get and a $15 minimum wage for all. Your person in Washington is Nancy Pelosi, believe it or not. If she had her way, you'd probably be $6000 dollars richer by now!  She probably would have cut you a $1500 check starting last May, and every quarter since, or maybe $600 every month. People would have been able to plan much better knowing they would at least  have had that income.

    Pelosi was holding out for more in October to try to compensate for the fact that she could only cut one check up to that one point. Trump waved the white flag, abandoned his Republican Party and conceded to his enemy, Pelosi,and came tagging along, even though he never gave a crap about aid for the 6 months prior,  thinking if he could buy votes by  giving people a $2000 check with his name on it, he might be able to salvage the election. But even that was a pipe dream! Pelosi has completely out maneuvered Trump for the last 2 years! He's probably never been emasculated like that by a woman before!

    I haven't received my $600 check yet, and was told by the IRS that if I didn't receive it by now, I can deduct from in my 2020 taxes. I don't really need a $1400 check, but I'm sure as hell not going to turn it down after paying taxes all my life.

    It's a bifurcated economy and people are either not missing a stitch or financially in horrible shape. Of course, a massive outlay of 1.9 trillion is debt to be paid off in the future, and is saddling those of us who have children with a  enormous debt. Of course, we've have been saying that for years. For those of us who remember 19% interest rates, when we were young, they've done a remarkable job at taming inflation through monetary policy. But can we count on that forever? '

    Prior to the Georgia runoff they (Democrats, including Joe Biden) promised people $2,000 checks if they won. That's why they won. Here it is two months later and nothing and Biden keeps trying to whittle it down and the Senate keeps delaying. Do you think people aren't going to remember this in the midterms? And most developed countries in the world have been taking better care of their people through this than the U.S. 

    Yes, I want a more progressive agenda/society and I knew Joe Biden wasn't going to deliver that. I still prefer him to Trump but that doesn't mean he gets a free pass for this, bombing Syria, shitting all over student debt relief, recognizing the coup leader in Venezuela...lots there to criticize.

    The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

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    23 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

    What nefarious deeds can DeJoy perform now that the election is over? The purpose of his appointment was to sabotage mail-in voting, which is now history. As for the future, state legislatures are in the act of outlawing mail-in voting, drop boxes etc. (i.e. suppressing the vote), so DeJoy won't have to bother with it again except for those states that still think that making voting easy is a good idea.  Basically events have taken de joy out of his purpose as Postmaster General.

     

     

    There must be something he can do, else he would have slinked out of town like the rest of them.

    Conspiracy Theories & The Media: JFK & Beyond ....

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    This graph could have applied as easily to a more recent occupier of the oval office:

     

    Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism -- which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.

    JFKA Forum Journals of the Plague Year?

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    48 minutes ago, Richard Price said:

    What must be paid attention to is the underlying changes at the USPS.  The biggest is a little known fact outside the post office.  First class mail is the ONLY mail that is legally protected (Federal Law) from being opened except under a legal order issued and approved by the USPS Inspection Service (through the courts).  Under the umbrella of First Class, this also includes Express Mail and Priority Mail services as well.  This also includes tampering (delay, destruction, etc.)  If First Class mail is infolded into other groups, this protection will be lost.  This is a very important concept that has been at the root of the viability and purpose of the post office since its inception.  Without it, there would be absolutely NO reason to use the USPS at all.  In my 30 years with the USPS, I witnessed at least a dozen people lose their jobs and some go to jail for failing to protect the sanctity of the mail.

    50 cents to send a letter across the country never ceases to amaze me.

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