Michael Clark

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I opened a discussion on Reddit. This is my first post at that site. https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/6ga8m3/a_sator_sqare_interpretation/

This is an excellent website for Roman and Latin resources. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/e/roman/texts/home.html

About three years ago I was looking into a Latin inscription which is found in numerous places throughout the former Roman Empire. I came to a conclusion with regard to it's meaning and significance that I have not seen before. I believe my interpretation is unique and plausible. So, I thought I would share it here. For Wiki-reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator_Square I tend to identify existing theories for the meaning of the Sator Square as falling into two categories: 1- a translation that reads something like "The farmer, Arepo, slowly ploughs the land" 2- any Christian interpretation or mystical meaning. I discount the first because it, to me, seems to lack any significance. I discount the second because I believe that the Sator Square pre-dates Christianity. I have shared my Sator Square interpretation in a handful of replies to blogs and on my Facebook page. I have found that my interpretation is really very simple at heart, an my argument founders the more I expound upon it. So, I will, here, be brief. The Wikipedia entry offers some translations for the words that compose the Sator Square. There are more expanded translation offerings that can be found on the web. Here are the suggestions from the Wikipedia entry: SATOR (from serere=to sow) Sower, planter; founder, progenitor (usually divine); originator AREPO unknown, likely a proper name, either invented or, perhaps, of Egyptian origin TENET (from tenere=to hold) holds, keeps; comprehends; possesses; masters; preserves OPERA (noun) work, care; aid, service, effort/trouble; (from opus): works, deeds. ROTAS (accusative plural of rota) wheels My interpretation is: Keepers of the ancient knowledge of the wheelwrights. I translate Arepo to ancient using three parts of the logic from the Wikipedia article, those being: - it is a made-up name to make the puzzle work - it would be recognized as a persons name, even if it were unique. - it would synthesize with the wiki-offered hypothesis that the word is similar to a word that means "to creep towards". I am suggesting that it would be interpreted as slow, sundry, accumulated, old, and respected, while also being recognized as a name. Here comes the part of my theory that I feel I have failed to explain in the past. The Sator Square was not meant to be read. It was not meant to be studied or learned. It was only meant to be recognized like a marketing gimmick or logo. Of course it had meaning, and it's cleverness would be recognized by nearly anyone, literate or not; it was it's recognizability to both literate and non-literate people, combined with the innate appeal, which led to it's adaptation. What was its Purpose? For what was it adapted? I believe that it was adapted to be the recognizable logo for both a guild of engineers and anyone such as slaves, soldiers or conscripts, who would be engaged in construction or engineering activities. This logo would be found on offices, warehouses, construction sites and stockyards where engineers and laborers would frequently be expected to do business. Also, and very importantly, it would be found in areas where labor crews were martialed for tasks, or persons entering the city, from throughout the empire, would be expected to report if they had business or responsibilities with regard to construction and engineering. Slaves or soldiers would be able to inquire about and identify such places and facilities by making reference to this symbol, regardless of their language or rank. Cult associations: Roman society was built around cult associations. I would argue that any endeavor or organization would be built around familiar Roman cult practices. An engineering guild would be no different; it's organizational structure would resemble typical cult worship. As such, such an organization would be noticed by competing cults and would run-afoul of them since its members and leadership would be of a different class of people: laborers, slaves and engineers; as opposed to Aristocrats, senators, priests and soothsayers. Julius Caesar is said to have outlawed craft-guilds. Julius Caesar's reign is also said to mark the beginning of the worship of living men. Craft guilds and associated cults would be necessarily in competition with, and need to be run and managed outside of and without regard for Imperial dignity and sanction. Yet, these groups of workers and engineers would still need to function and their organizational schemes survive. They would need to outlast and not compete with any state and imperial cults. Their organization and function would need to survive changes in leadership in the legions. So their organizational structure would need to be minimalized, hidden and secret. As such they would be tolerated. So, I am proposing that the Sator Square was a necessarily outward symbol to an otherwise hidden and secret organization that kept construction and engineering projects and establishments moving forward. That is kind of it. It's not real sexy but I think it's plausible, and I think it is simply a better explanation than we now have. I'll edit and clarify this a bit going forward. Cheers, Michael

Above is the Quote from James DiEugenio, from this thread...

Fletcher Prouty stated that, during the BOBI, McBundy was responsible for calling off the USN air strikes on Cuban aircraft. (Needs clarification) I have read that Jim DiEugenio and others discount that claim, saying that Prouty was mistaken. I watched an excellent Greg Burnham video yesterday and it seems that, as of a few years ago, he still held Prouty's view. I started this factoid thread to work out that detail. I read Mr. DiEudenio's expanded, but brief alternative to Prouty's claim; but I want to get my head around that incident, digging into the sources. I'll be back with more, including Prouty's and Burnham's video's. Cheers, Michael

Deleted. Duplicate post. ****edit, added from this thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/20583-david-morales/&page=17 Larry Hancock wrote: OK David, its hard to compress a rather lengthy chapter into a few paragraphs but here you go: By the time Roselli arrived in Los Angeles he was in transition from street hood to enforcer, moving out of the rackets per se into gambling and running protection for games in LA, most importantly the high dollar off shore gambling ships. At that point he took his first syndicate job, putting a major racetrack gambling wire into operation. That gave put him in touch with a number of east coast mob money guys and brought him to the attention of Meyer Lansky, who became his real behind the scenes mentor. Lansky was so impressed with Roselli he used him in Cuba to clean up some of the most egregious casino problems which were embarrassing the gambling industry there – Roselli had learned how to get people’s attention without leaving bodies strewn all over the place. For him it was about deals and deal making. Back in LA, he used his east coast connections to bring big money into investments in the entertainment industry, a good way to launder cash – and he figured out ways to frustrate the movie industry unions while at the same time making money off the industry. The FBI was always frustrated by LA and Roselli; it was a city that used outside money to make more money rather than producing it through typical street crime (at least in his era). With his entertainment connections, his money connections and his backing by Lansky, Roselli was in a great position to broker deals in gambling and entertainment as Vegas grew, his business card described him as a strategist and he helped folks like Giancana put casinos into Vegas. And he brokered his influence with entertainers and entertainment, Roselli made money off investment deals, and legal sidelines such as casino services. By the time you get to 1960 he had been gone from the street for a very long time, he knew people and he was trusted since he provided services and competed with none of the godfathers or with the syndicate. Was he a mob guy, sure, but a very different type of mob guy. He was special in terms of the Castro plot because he had worked in Cuba, had connections to the old casino crowd there and also knew folks who still had channels into Cuba via the exile community in Florida – specifically Trafficante. And up to that point in time he was known as the type of guy who could bring people together and ensure nobody talked. If the CIA was going to use criminal assets to operate inside Cuba, he was a great choice for making the right introductions that was his real attraction. That was really all there was to it, another agreement to make introductions, hook up people and get a deal done – which is really all he did for the CIA if you really dig into it. It’s just that he did it twice, the second time for William Harvey – who clearly found him as a kindred spirit, Harvey always went full bore into anything he did, a really intense guy, and the same thing could be said for Roselli. Roselli just dressed a lot better.

I wanted to get two more links on here before I leave it alone for a while. I don't want to keep bumping the thread... Jack Lawrence Jack claims that he parked his loaner car near the corner of Main and Ervay. This is very close to the Carousel. His story, for 11-22, starts at 12:30 when he parked the car and walked to work. Crafard's story starts minutes later when he says he was awaken by a co-worker who started blasting radio and TV news about the assassination. Edit****'Jack Lawrence was given a ride back to his car by a retired Colonel. That stop is on a straight-shot between the dealership and the fairgrounds.

As a refresher, with this thread, I am focusing on the Carousel crew and what they were up to between Friday morning and Saturday at about 7PM. Part of my speculation is that they were moving and disposing of equipment and people. John Ligget's schedule dovetails fairly well with the goings-on with the Carousel and crew.

I think I might have found my phone guy... Edit*** Ill be keeping a look-out for connections or testimony regarding Vaganov and the fair grounds.

Hi there Eddy, At the moment, I am of the mind that some folks were playing dirty tricks on James Jesus Angleton. These people, I theorize, were trying to keep JJA off guard, off balance and chasing his tail in order to keep him from detecting the real plot. I am thinking that one leg of the plot came through a stove-piped channel, from the Eastern Establishment, down through the pipes in order to avoid the CIA Chain of command, but still use CIA assets and resources, through guys like Hunt and Liddy, and with DAP taking an active part when things needed some TLC. I believe LHO had to have gone to MC at some point, and evidence was generated for that at some point, in case it was needed. As it comes to us, the MC venture can be said to be false, even if LHO happened to be in MC somewhere in that timeframe. I don't believe that Sylvia Duran met the DPD LHO. The purpose of the manufactured evidence was, along with the DAP/LHO/AV Dallas meeeting, done in order to keep the Anti-Castro Cubans convinced that a plot was underway that would lead to the invasion of Cuba. The evidence of MC was buried, not to avoid WW3 as is often said; but to double-cross the Cubans. That is kind of where I am at at this point Eddy, Cheers, Michael

Replays in bold.

I found this: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscadurn.htm (Duran) here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm#s (all/many testimonies of witnessses)

I had suggested this, months back, in another thread. If an exclusive subforum could get back a number of collegiate and esteemed researchers, segregated from rabble such as myself, it would be a great thing. IMO.

Tim Grats Threads revolving around Tim Gratz brought out some of the best researchers and debates, back in the day. I'll post some of the best of those here. Of course, if Mr. Gratz is not comfortable with the angle taken herein, I would be glad to break it up. Sorry for the bump but it was pointed-out to me that just reserving a bunch of posts that I can fill-out, in the future, is unfair. So this gets bumped when I add "top-ten" lists as I go.

I'll plead guilty to debating the debtor, at times, instead of the data, or facts. Among others, I see Larry Hancock as master of sticking to the facts in a debate. I will pay more attention to his debates. Cheers, Michael

Thanks for this Douglas!

Cuban Connections

Intelligence agencies threads Photo archive of Intelligence assets and agents http://spartacus-educational.com/CIAagents.htm From this thread

Wikipedia, like Paul Trejo, serve a great purpose. You get a story knowing that you have to break it down, discard the parts that don't work, and rebuild it with new parts. Studying ancient history is far easier on Wikipedia because the sources are so few in number that you quickly become farmiliar with them, you quickly get an idea of their reliability, and you can easily verify the attribution easily (because they are known, and so few). Regarding the JFK Assassination, the WCR serves a similar purpose as Wikipedia and Trejo. Regarding real-time contemporary news, it's very difficult.

The above link is broken. This one should get you there http://spartacus-educational.com/CIAagents.htm

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