Michael Clark

Paul, You keep repeating that claim. Perhaps you are aware of some evidence that backs-up your repeated claim? If you do have such evidence I would be interested in seeing it, because I have repeatedly posted evidence to the contrary. --------------------------- Diary of LHO: Oct.16. Arrive from Helsinki by train ;am met by Intourest Repre.and in car to Hotel "Berlin". Reges. as. "studet" 5 day Lux .tourist. Ticket.) Meet my Intorist guied Rimma Sherikova I explain to her I wish to appli. for Rus.citizenship. She is flabber;assed, but aggrees to help. She checks with her boss, main officeIntour;than helps me add.a letter to Sup.Sovit asking for citizenship, mean while boss telephone passport & visa office and notifies them about me. Oct.31. I make my dision. Getting passport at 12"00 I meet and talk with Rimma for a few minutes she says:stay in your room and eat well, I don't tell her about what I intend to do since I know she would not approve. After she leaves I wait a few minutes and than I catch a taxi, "American Embassy" I say. 12"30, I arrive American Embassy, I walk in and say to the receptionist `I would like to see the Consular" she points at a large lager and says"if you a tourist please register". I take out my American passport and lay it o the desk. "I have come to dissolve my American citizenship. I saymatter-of-factly she rises and enters the office of Richard Snyder American Head Consular in Moscow at that time. He invites me to sit r down. He finishes a letter he is typing and then asks what he can do for me. I tell him I have dicided to take Soviet citizenship and would like to leagly dissolve my U .S.citizenship. His assitant (now Head Consular) McVickers e looks up from his work . Snyder serys- takes down personall Information, Jan.5. ........I wrote my brother & mother letters in which I said "I do not wish to every contact you again." Iam defining a new life and I don't wand any part of the old". July - I decided to take my two week vacation and travel to Moscow (without police permission) to the American Embassy to see about getting my US passport back."

Paul. I have, twice now, responded to your repeated claim that LHO did not hand in his passport, reounce citizenship, or apply for Soviet citizenship. You keep repeating that claim. Perhaps you are aware of some evidence that backs-up your repeated claim? If you do have such evidence I would be interested in seeing it, because I have repeatedly posted evidence to the contrary. -------------------- Diary of LHO: Oct.16. Arrive from Helsinki by train ;am met by Intourest Repre.and in car to Hotel "Berlin". Reges. as. "studet" 5 day Lux .tourist. Ticket.) Meet my Intorist guied Rimma Sherikova I explain to her I wish to appli. for Rus.citizenship. She is flabber;assed, but aggrees to help. She checks with her boss, main officeIntour;than helps me add.a letter to Sup.Sovit asking for citizenship, mean while boss telephone passport & visa office and notifies them about me. Oct.31. I make my dision. Getting passport at 12"00 I meet and talk with Rimma for a few minutes she says:stay in your room and eat well, I don't tell her about what I intend to do since I know she would not approve. After she leaves I wait a few minutes and than I catch a taxi, "American Embassy" I say. 12"30, I arrive American Embassy, I walk in and say to the receptionist `I would like to see the Consular" she points at a large lager and says"if you a tourist please register". I take out my American passport and lay it o the desk. "I have come to dissolve my American citizenship. I saymatter-of-factly she rises and enters the office of Richard Snyder American Head Consular in Moscow at that time. He invites me to sit r down. He finishes a letter he is typing and then asks what he can do for me. I tell him I have dicided to take Soviet citizenship and would like to leagly dissolve my U .S.citizenship. His assitant (now Head Consular) McVickers e looks up from his work . Snyder serys- takes down personall Information, Jan.5. ........Iwrotemy brother & mother letters in which I said "I do not wish to every contact you again." Iam defining a new life and I don't wand any part of the old". July - I decided to take my two week vacation and travel to Moscow (without police permission) to the American Embassy to see about getting my US passport back. Cheers, Michael

A very powerful tool. Also known as the Maieutic (?sp) or protreptic. Socrates calls it Midwifery. He is a midwife, and by asking questions he demonstrates that knowledge already existed in the student, and he just assists in the delivery of the present knowledge. It is demonstrable and exciting and fulfilling to the student. I love this stuff.

Bump because it is interesting and also because I have a point of possible interest to share. I just can't get to it right now. ***edit. I was mistaken, my dates were off

That's what I was getting at. I think there are a lot of 20-30 somethings who direct production and content. I gave up on television a long time ago. I just become an annoyance to anyone else who is trying to watch it. Yup, I am that guy...

"kids these days".....

Edited.... Just a note as to where this theory can be substituted into existing theories. Generally, where the answer to often asked questions is.. "... in order to avoid Nuclear war." ....One can substitute: "in order to double-cross the anti-Castro Cubans.

Excellent as always, Thanks again Larry

That's Roscoe White, center left, in the T shirt and the familiarly odd stance.

Thanks Larry, I was thinking that LBJ and JEH would be able to just step outside, or walk across the street to have some of these conversations that seem to be missing their regular documentation. Being a phone guy, I know how little trouble it would be to set up a secure private line between two adjacent homes, especially if you were the head of the FBI and the Senate Majority Leader/VP, and your main line of business was blackmail. Regarding books. Between the extensive free time I have had and membership to this forum, I have avoided books in lieu of the awesome experience here and the new-found knowledge of how to, and willingness to, find and dig-into original documents. I read Jim Garrison's OTTOTA and Manchesters Goodbye Darkness and The Glory and the dream, long ago. I now how have a ton of great JFKA reading on my IPad and a list of books I want to buy and keep handy for future reading. Your participation here and your sober analysis has placed your books on that list. Unless something falls-through, again, I'll be starting a new job on Monday, and I probably won't be around here much after that. Allow me to thank you once again for all that you have done for me, this community and, indeed, our great nation. Cheers, Michael

..."the most respected JFK assassination experts in the world including Judyth Vary Baker (Oswald’s mistress), " I am mostly agnostic on her story but she is not one of the most respected experts on the JFKA. "Jim Marrs (1963 Dallas Journalist and author of the New York Times best seller Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy which was the basis for Oliver Stone’s film)" I am pretty sure that Jim Garrison's OTTOTA was the basis for Stone's movie. Shhhhhhhheeeeeesh!

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A question, or observation, as it were, keeps popping into my head with regard to the hours and days after the assassination. Wouldn't Jackie be In the White House on Friday through Sunday night? And wouldn't JEH and LBJ be working from their residences? I believe that they lived across the street from one-another. I guess the best place to look for this would be Manchester's book, of which I do not have a copy.

Truman's 12-22-63 letter lamented his formation of the CIA, or at least it's migration from an intelligence collection arm of the Chief Executive to an operational branch with an unclear control apparatus. Is anyone seeing that CIA control function as having migrated into the hands of the Council on Foreign Relations, or some such entity?

Thanks for the recommendations David's Josephs and Andrews!

Thank you sir!

Cliff, do you have a top-five reading list that informs your perspective? Of course, I am looking for works that are outside of the normal JFKA angle. Cheers, Michael

It looks like member Paul Hoven passed away in 2014 http://mackenfuneralhome.com/memorial-services/paul-a-hoven/

It looks like Mr. Hoven passed away in 2014. Thank you for your service and rest in peace. http://mackenfuneralhome.com/memorial-services/paul-a-hoven/

Gene Wheaton died in 2015 http://www.evans-brownmortuary.com/obituaries/Milton-Wheaton/ His Spartacus page has the YOB as 1936, whereas the obit has 1935 http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwheaton.htm

I hear a bit of Cajun drawl when he speaks.

I have a nascent pet theory. Yes, the CIA was involved, along with a number of the entities mentioned above. I am thinking it has to do with banana boats, Lansdale and the dirty, open secret; drugs. It would have implicated many but didn't come to light for 20 years when CIA drug trafficking got so big that you couldn't not see it.

Fascinating thread with some great input from members who we don't see much of anymore. I'm just quoting Mr. Hoven as a ping, to see if he is still responsive to the forum.

I just think he would listen, if there was a voice to be heard. We're just so divided. He is told what his base wants. The rest is static.... noise. I think that noise has been engineered, and not by the far right, but by the MSM.