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Henry, Look closely. The 1963 "Marguerite" mole is clearly below the eyelid. And the apparent mole on your imgur.com Claverie photo (of unknown origin) isn't visible on other extant photos of Claverie. Honestly, I'm wondering if the CIA photo-shopped that imgur.com image after Armstrong's 2003 research appeared in print. Damage control. A related example was the way Nobel Laureate Luis Armstrong promulgated his bogus cellophane-wrapped melon propulsion theory about JFK's head after the public finally got to see the Zapruder film.

Henry, I've done a lot of physical exams on patients over the years, and I don't perceive the 1963 Marguerite facial mole as part of a "drooping eyelid." Rather, it appears to be located on the face below the right lower lid. Also, the difference in age between the 1960 Claverie photo (above) and the 1963 Marguerite Oswald photo is only three years. Not enough time to account for such dramatically different appearances between the two women. So, if I call this one as I see it, these two Marguerites are different ladies. (Incidentally, I learned in medical school years ago to "call it as I see it," even if other people disagree. Long story.) Regarding the repeated claim that Armstrong has been "debunked," has anyone debunked John Pic's claims that he didn't recognize the Lee Harvey Oswald arrested and murdered in Dallas, or in the childhood Bronx Zoo photo, as his younger half-brother Lee?

Henry, Thanks for partially clarifying this. Any idea where and when this particular 1945 imgur.com photo of Marguerite Claverie Oswald first appeared on the internet? Or who posted it? Also, to reiterate, the apparent mole in the photo is on the eyelid, not below the eyelid. And the faces, height and body habitus of the two Marguerites are quite noticeably different. Furthermore, if I recall the details, Claverie was living and working in New Orleans in the early 60s, while chubby Marguerite was living Fort Worth, wasn't she?

C'mon Kirk and Gerry. I've got nothing against having a few Margaritas, but... Do you two guys really believe that the two Marguerites in the photographs (above) are the same person? My hunch is that one of the McAdams-type WCR/CIA propagandists photo-shopped the 1945 wedding photo to pencil in a mole on the eyelid. (But they sketched it on the lid, instead of below the lid.)

Henry, Two questions. 1) Where did you find this enlarged 1945 photo of Marguerite Claverie Oswald (above?) 2) Any possibility that it has been photo-shopped by people promoting the WCR Lone Nut narrative? Also, where is the alleged mole in the following photos of Marguerite Claverie Oswald? Below: Marguerite Claverie Oswald (1960) Look, Ma-- no mole! Below: Marguerite Claverie Oswald (1945) Below: (?) Marguerite Oswald (1963) Notice the mole below the right eyelid-- not on the eyelid

Interesting. Yet, as Oliver Stone put it, "Trump got rolled by the Deep State," when it came to releasing the JFK records.

I knew Rev. Louis Saunders buried Oswald long before I ever began to study the JFK research literature a few years ago. He was a good man-- a liberal, humanitarian Protestant who volunteered to bury and pray for Oswald when no one else in the Dallas/Fort Worth area would. I remember buying a copy of Don DeLillo's novel, Libra, for my father-in-law back in the 80s, because DeLillo described some details about Saunders in the final chapter of Libra. (Also, some of the fictional scenes in Libra were set in Denton, Texas, where my father-in-law lives.) As for the alleged "debunking" of John Armstrong's doppelganger research about Oswald, I'm underwhelmed. There seems to be ample evidence of Oswald doppelgangers. I actually reviewed several Harvey & Lee threads in the forum archives yesterday before starting this thread, and didn't find any bona fide "debunking" of Armstrong's theory.

Tony, I haven't really studied the Harvey & Lee theory, other than reading John Armstrong's two Probe Magazine essays on the subject in DiEugenio's Assassinations anthology today. Who "debunked" Armstrong's rather detailed findings?

Gerry, Here's a photo of Marguerite Claverie Oswald with her husband, Edwin Ekdahl, in 1945. Does she look anything like the short, heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" who attended Oswald's funeral? (Incidentally, the minister who conducted Oswald's funeral, Louis Saunders, was my father-in-law's best friend. He presided at my wedding.) Below: Edwin Ekdahl and Marguerite Claverie Oswald in 1945 Marina and the other Marguerite Oswald (1963)

Trump is playing the victim and actively inciting violence with his lie-filled rant in PA today-- calling for his cult to "smash" the Democrats. Shades of January 6th. Here's a live-tweet analysis of Trump's rant by Seth Abramson. Thread by @SethAbramson on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App

I've been reading some of the old, labyrinthine literature about Oswald recently, (Oswald and the CIA, Libra, and John Armstrong's Harvey & Lee essays in DiEugenio's Assassinations anthology) and I have a question about Harvey, Lee, and the "two Marguerites." (I even reviewed several old Education Forum threads about Harvey & Lee, but didn't find an answer to my question here.) If Armstrong's evidence about Harvey, Lee, and the two Marguerites is accurate, whatever became of Lee Oswald and the real Marguerite Claverie Oswald after 11/22/63? Any reports or theories? Armstrong did a lot of work to reconstruct Marguerite Claverie Oswald's detailed history up until about (?) 1961 or '62 in New Orleans, but then the trail seemed to grow cold. I can imagine that the CIA would have, naturally, wanted both of them to disappear, as in witness protection programs or fatal accidents? Another oddity about the case is the apparent differing opinions of Lee's step-brother, John Pic, and his brother, Robert Oswald, about Lee's identity. https://harveyandlee.net/Moms/Moms.html

Ben, Thanks for sharing your latest weird dispatch from the Siamese MAGA-verse. It's Orwellian, indeed, but not in the way that you imagine -- as if Biden condemning Trumplican fascism is "spooky," and Trumplican fascism isn't? War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Anti-fascism is fascism? It reminds me of the Obama years, when Fox News watchers compared Obama to Hitler for issuing his DACA executive order, after the Tea Party House refused to pass the Senate immigration bill. Talk about yer liberal Demonrat dictator! 🤥 At least you didn't refer to Biden as "Pedo-Hitler" tonight -- a trope I read on a less scholarly forum today.

Speaking of Russ Baker, he published another article in his "Only Lone Nuts Need Apply" series this week. I'm sure that this will ring quite true for people in the JFKA research community. Notes From the Memory Hole: When the Establishment Buries You - WhoWhatWhy

Ben, I hope you had a chance to study the references I posted for you the last time you raised these same questions about WTC leasing and security in the weeks prior to 9/11, etc. They are interesting issues relating to solving the details of 9/11 puzzle. I'm hoping that, for starters, we can all get to first base by reaching a rational scientific consensus about the fact that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were, obviously, demolished by explosives. Interestingly, Donald Trump correctly diagnosed the issue on 9/11-- based on his firsthand knowledge of the Twin Towers' architecture -- when he told reporters that, in his opinion, the steel columns of the Twin Towers could only have been destroyed by explosives (i.e., "bombs.") Dan Rather also called the WTC7 demolition accurately on 9/11.

Chris, I'm no fan of the DHS surveillance state, or of police harassment of peaceful dissenters, but the issue with Trump's cult has more to do with protecting democracy from fascism. Trumpsters have been threatening U.S. government and law enforcement officials, and even violently attacking the U.S. Congress (on January 6th.) Is it inappropriate to demonize a political movement that wants to burn down the Reichstag and terrorize a democratic government?

Sure, Ben, especially the movements that involve violently invading the U.S. Capitol in order to hang the Vice President and subvert the results of a Presidential election. It's totally unfair to demonize such anti-establishment, Trumplicon idealism, eh? 🤥

Mr. Lifton, Please dispense with your deflective, ad hominem slurs about my medical specialty, and kindly answer my specific science questions (above) about the 9/11 evidence. My questions have heuristic, educational value, especially for people, like yourself, who haven't studied, or understood, the WTC data. That is why I posted them for you and others. Regrettably, if I were tutoring you in the physics of 9/11, you would currently get an "F." As for using Wikipedia and the NIST Report as references, surely, you jest. Do you really not know that Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable in matters pertaining to U.S. military and intelligence ops? If you don't believe me, try reading Wikipedia's version of the JFK assassination! It reads like the Warren Commission Report. Their version of 9/11 is similarly absurd. As for the belated Bush/Cheney NIST report on the WTC demolitions, it is a pseudo-scientific fraud. The NIST authors didn't even pretend to explain the observed abrupt free fall demolition of WTC7 on 9/11. Nor did they do a forensic/arson examination of the WTC debris, or even acknowledge the obvious-- visible and audible-- serial explosions that demolished the WTC towers in broad daylight! They also refused to publish the parameters used in their bogus computer "simulation" of the WTC1 and WTC2 demolitions. How can the validity of their computer "simulation" be confirmed without the parameters?! In essence, they used what a computer programmer friend of mine used to call the "Modified Output Technique"-- making up some fictitious numbers to achieve a computerized free fall collapse. I presume that you are familiar with the history of Nobel Laureate physicist Luis Alvarez being recruited to concoct a pseudo-scientific explanation for the backward trajectory of JFK's head on 11/22/63? The cellophane-wrapped melon propulsion theory? As for the NIST non-explanation of the WTC7 demolition, if you study architectural history, you will learn that office fires don't cause the abrupt, symmetrical, free fall demolition of steel skyscrapers into their own footprints. Historically, steel skyscrapers burn for hours-- even days-- without collapsing, and, if they do collapse, it happens in a gradual, partial, asymmetrical pattern. You have made a name for yourself by examining evidence in the JFK case.. Try examining the evidence of serial explosions (on the film above, and in suppressed witness reports) that explosively pulverized hundreds of thousands of tons of concrete into high pressure pyroclastic flows over Manhattan during the demolitions of the Twin Towers. Also study the melting point of steel, and the temperatures required to liquefy steel-- which can be seen cascading from the WTC towers during the 9/11 demolitions. Burning jet fuel cannot liquefy steel. Nor was there sufficient jet fuel to soften and obliterate the entire steel substructures of those skyscrapers.

I thought Trump already had a Special Master... 🤥

When Putin and his thugs do a Frank Olson on one of their critics, they're never subtle about it. It reminds me of the case of the guy who fell out of a 6th floor bathtub in Kiev a few years ago. Or serving Litvinenko plutonium tea.

Ben, This new NYT article is almost identical to Benedict Carey's popular NYT series in the summer of 2008 about the use of psychotropics in teens. I spoke to Carey at the time, and he used me as a reference in his July 12, 2008 article on the subject of Big Pharma and the psychiatric establishment. Psychiatric Group Faces Scrutiny Over Drug Industry Ties - The New York Times (nytimes.com) As for psychiatric diagnosis and treatment, alcohol and exercise can have major effects on mental health, but there is more to the neuroscience of mental illness than physical fitness, alcohol use, and glucose levels.

Dead wrong, Ben. Trump's comments at the Ellipse about taking down the magnetometers wasn't hearsay evidence. Hutchinson was a firsthand witness of Trump's riot-promoting staging at the Ellipse. If you had watched the Congressional J6 hearings (rather than the Fox spin) you would know that. Cassidy Hutchinson was with Trump and his staff at the Ellipse when the shocking comments were made. And she was also privvy to the 10 AM briefing of Trump, Meadows, and Ornato about the police reports that the mob was armed. And Hutchinson was, in fact, testifying under oath-- under penalty of perjury-- unlike Tony Ornato, who has erased his J6 texts and ducked testifying under oath. You're, obviously, still in denial about Trump's (and Ornato's) serious J6 crimes against the United States. Why?

Ben, How many in the Trump mob were arrested and searched for weapons at the Capitol on January 6th? Are you still not aware that most of them were only identified on film and arrested later? And, again, why did Trump want security to take down the magnetometers-- after he was told by 10 AM that the mob was armed-- when he said, "They're not here to harm me?" Are you trying to argue that Trump and Ornato were not told that the mob was armed?

Geez, Ben. How many times have you repeated this same old bogus trope? Explain why Trump wanted the security guards to "take down the magnetometers" at the Ellipse on January 6th. What were the magnetometers for? Are you trying to claim that Trump and Ornato weren't warned by 10 AM that the mob was armed? If so, you, obviously, didn't pay attention to the J6 hearings.

In the 1960s and early 70s, in Denver, it was a HUGE scandal if some yahoo brought a knife to school. And a homicide was major, frontpage news. Nowadays, I read about all of the daily metro area homicides and make a mental note about the locations.

The most damning thing I've heard about Ornato is that he knew by 10 AM on January 6th that Trump's mob was armed, but he did nothing to protect Pence, Pelosi, or the Congress. In fact, his only intervention was to try to have Pence removed from the Capitol before the election could be certified. Then he and his co-conspirators deleted their texts, after being told to preserve them.