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  1. I was talking to Bard today. I connected him to the archives.gov api and I asked it this question: Ruth Paine said that her neighbor told her on October 14 about a job opening at the Texas School Book Depository, where her neighbor's brother, Wesley Frazier, worked. Mrs. Paine informed Oswald, who was interviewed at the depository and was hired there on October 16 as a $1.25 an hour minimum wage order filler. That’s right. In Warren Commission Document 2312, Ruth Paine stated that she was told about the job opening at the Texas School Book Depository by her neighbor, Linnie Mae Randle, on October 14, 1963. Randle’s brother, Wesley Frazier, worked at the depository. Paine informed Oswald about the job, and he was interviewed and hired on October 16, 1963. Oswald started working at the depository on October 18, 1963. The Warren Commission concluded that there was no evidence to suggest that Paine was involved in the JFK assassination. However, some people believe that Paine may have been involved in the assassination, and that she may have been the one who told Oswald about the job in the book depository. The question of who told Ruth Paine to tell Oswald about the job in the book depository is still a matter of debate. There is no definitive answer to this question, and the evidence is inconclusive. I then asked it: Is there a document in the archive while you used the api that is different from Warren Commission Document 2312? es, there is a document in the JFK Archive that is different from Warren Commission Document 2312. The document is FBI-104-10300-1037, which is a memorandum from Special Agent James Hosty to the Assistant Director of the Bureau of Investigation. The memorandum discusses Hosty's interview with Ruth Paine on November 23, 1963. In the memorandum, Paine stated that she was told about the job opening at the Texas School Book Depository by her neighbor, Linnie Mae Randle, on October 14, 1963. However, Paine also stated that she had previously told the Warren Commission that she was told about the job opening by George de Mohrenschildt. The memorandum does not resolve the discrepancy between Paine's two statements. It is possible that Paine simply forgot who told her about the job opening, or that she was mistaken. However, the memorandum does raise some questions about Paine's testimony to the Warren Commission. The JFK Archive API is a valuable resource for researchers who are interested in the JFK assassination. The API allows researchers to search the archive for documents that contain specific information. This can be helpful for researchers who are trying to track down specific pieces of evidence or who are trying to identify witnesses who may have seen something important. However, it is important to note that the JFK Archive API is not without its limitations. The API does not contain all of the documents in the JFK Archive. Additionally, the API does not always provide complete information about the documents that it does contain. This can make it difficult for researchers to get a complete picture of the JFK assassination. Despite its limitations, the JFK Archive API is a valuable resource for researchers who are interested in the JFK assassination. The API can help researchers to find documents that they might not be able to find otherwise. Additionally, the API can help researchers to track down witnesses who may have seen something important. So, obviously, this peaked my interest so I asked it: can you show me the warren commission document 2312 Sure, here is Warren Commission Document 2312: Testimony of Ruth Paine Mr. SPECTER. Mrs. Paine, on November 19, 1963, you told Oswald about a job at the Texas School Book Depository. Can you tell us about that? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. George de Mohrenschildt told me that Oswald was looking for a job, and he thought that Oswald would be a good fit for the job at the book depository. I agreed to tell Oswald about the job, and I did so on November 19. Mr. SPECTER. Did Oswald seem interested in the job? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. He said that he would go down and apply for the job. Mr. SPECTER. Did Oswald get the job? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. He started working at the book depository on November 22, 1963. Mr. SPECTER. Thank you, Mrs. Paine. Mrs. PAINE. You're welcome. This document is a transcript of an interview with Ruth Paine by Arlen Specter, a member of the Warren Commission. In the interview, Paine is asked about how she learned about the job opening at the Texas School Book Depository, and how she told Oswald about the job. Paine states that she was told about the job opening by George de Mohrenschildt, and that she told Oswald about the job on November 19, 1963. Oswald started working at the book depository on November 22, 1963. The document is available online at the JFK Archive website. ----------------------------------------- I don't know if bard.google.com is hallucinating or it is getting access to information that has not been released through the publicly available meta data.
  2. We are all conspiracy theorists so this post should not surprise anyone. Bard is the AI from Google. If you have gmail and documents in their drive, it all belongs to Google and they can do whatever they want with it whether you use Bard or not.
  3. edit: all the files are pdfs. Does that make extracting the individual words easier? harder? PDF stands for portable document format, what it does is arrange information in a format. It also has a layer for meta data. Most PDF files are ocr'd when the files is created. The documents in the archive that are in the pdf files are actual images. They would need to be ocr'd to get the text layer. I believe that the pdf files in the archive are ocr'd. It is just another thing that has to be done, I don't see it as any harder, just additional step.
  4. Or.... This is information has not been released and bard is getting this information from their database or API directly. But the fact that Bard may be hallucinating is not out of the realm of possibility.
  5. When either of the giants scans the database and the meta data - are they also converting the document pages into XML for search-ability by word? I think what you are asking is if the documents that are scanned by the archivist are OCR'd (Optical Characted Recognition). The archive would do this, not the search engines. XML if a format that parses data into fields. In this case, the images would be scanned and the ocr data from the images extracted. If would not be put in XML format unless they are using AI to scan the documents, which I don't think they are. And who was it that generated the meta data within the databases to begin with? Probably the best thing to do is define what meta data is, think of it as data about data. Since the database is being scanned and when information about the tramps match a search, the information in the row is considered meta data, since it is information about the document that it represents. What the AI would do in this instance, is get the words that match, i.e. Tramps, Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, John Gedney and it would also read any other words in the meta data, and using Natural Language Understanding, figure out what the document is about. The meta data would be generated from the scanned document or from an archivist. I mean wouldn't whoever or whatever did this also need to convert images to words? I think what you are stating is that the meta data in the database derives from an image that was scanned and OCR'd. I think that you maybe correct, the documents were scanned and data from those documents made it to the database. Another possibility is that the archivists are looking at the documents and entering the meta-data to the database. Since it is a large amount of files, I would think that you are correct for the sake of getting this information into the database.
  6. W, I understand that you believe what these books have to say. I am skeptical of any information that any author puts out. I would rather wait until these documents become available to make my mind up. I believe that AI will change the way we research information going forward, specially with an AI like bard.google.com that is capable of performing deep searches that have not been available before. You should try it. It is not perfect and yes, the AI will hallucinate, but I find it more credible than book sources with authors who really don't know what they are talking about. We will find out when those three documents are released for public viewing if Prouty was pushing for a conspiracy with Castro or Russia.
  7. Are you able to get at this data by using page source views... or any other way? No. The page source would be in HTML and depending on how the output of the page is served, the meta data is in there. What I think is occurring, barb connects to the database directly if it is publicly accessible or by an API that the archive may offer the tech giants like Google and Microsoft. This way Google can scan the database and cache it on their servers or access it without disturbing website access. Try it yourself: bard.google.com Then type: Can you search the JFK archive for Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, or John Gedney - https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk
  8. I am a developer, what would happen is the unreleased files are digitized, but they are flagged not to show on the website. In the database, you have a table with the complete list of documents that have been digitized with its metadata. The actual files are stored in storage on their private cloud and the database row has a link to the actual file. Bard maybe connecting to the publicly accessible database and getting all this information. The actual file is probably in a secure environment that is not accessible from the outside. to me, this is either intentional by the archive or there is a serious gap in security. the other possibility is that Barb is hallucinating, which I doubt but it is possible.
  9. I guess we will learn more about what team Fletcher Prouty was really in, with the conspirators or with the researchers, after The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection releases these files: File No. 104-10300-1037: This file contains a memorandum from Prouty to CIA officials on December 1, 1963. The memorandum discusses the investigation into the assassination of President Kennedy. File No. 104-10400-1052: This file contains a memorandum from Prouty to CIA officials on December 4, 1963. The memorandum discusses the possibility that the assassination of President Kennedy was the result of a conspiracy. File No. 104-10500-1004: This file contains a report on a meeting between Prouty and CIA officials on December 8, 1963. The meeting discussed the investigation into the assassination of President Kennedy. If in these documents Prouty is pushing for conspiracy with Castro or the Russians, we will then know he was one of the conspirators. I got these files from AI Bard.google.com. It searched The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection and found these files on Fletcher Prouty. These files have not been released and I don't know of a way to access them.
  10. I think, but don't quote me on it. Bard, the AI for google is searching the archive database and is getting the meta data from the entries of the documents that have not been released. The other explanation is that bard is hallucinating and making up document numbers that do not exist. Personally, I think that the archive has released the meta data of the documents that have not been released either on purpose or by mistake.
  11. The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection: File No. 104-10385-1002: This file contains a report on the arrest of Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney on November 22, 1963. The report was filed by the Dallas Police Department. File No. 104-10400-1003: This file contains a memorandum from the FBI to the Warren Commission on November 23, 1963. The memorandum discusses the arrest of Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney. File No. 104-10500-1002: This file contains a report on the release of Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney on November 24, 1963. The report was filed by the Dallas Police Department. So, the FBI or CIA had records of the Tramps arrest on November 22, 1963. Then the Warren Commission had records on the tramps, but that did not make the report. The DPD found it important to notify the FBI or CIA that the tramps were released. Did the FBI or the CIA tell the DPD to release the tramps? I guess we will find out when we have access to those secret archived files.
  12. This is going to be hilarious if these documents are real and we find out the CIA asked the DPD to release Doyle, Abrams, and Gedney.
  13. Here is another interesting search: Can you search the JFK archive for george joannides - https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk Sure. Here are the results I found from searching the JFK archive for George Ioannides on the website you provided: File No. 104-10100-1021: This file contains a memorandum from George Ioannides to the CIA on November 23, 1963. The memorandum discusses the assassination of President Kennedy. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. File No. 104-10200-1011: This file contains a memorandum from George Ioannides to the CIA on November 24, 1963. The memorandum discusses the investigation into the assassination of President Kennedy. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. File No. 104-10300-1025: This file contains a memorandum from George Ioannides to the CIA on December 1, 1963. The memorandum discusses the possibility that the assassination of President Kennedy was the result of a conspiracy. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. These are just a few of the files that I found about George Ioannides on the website you provided. There are likely other files that I did not find. The website has a vast collection of files, and it can be difficult to find specific files. If you are interested in learning more about George Ioannides on the website you provided, I recommend that you search the website's index. The index is a searchable database of all of the files that are available on the website. I hope this helps! Here are some additional details about George Ioannides: George Ioannides was a Greek-American CIA officer who was involved in the investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. He was also involved in the coup d'état in Greece in 1967. Ioannides died in 2010. I hope this information is helpful. Let me know if you have any other questions.
  14. I have been asking AI bard questions. I asked it the following, and look at the results. I have not been able to find those documents, so either barb is hallucinating or bard has access to data that we are not supposed to see. Can you search the JFK archive for Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, or John Gedney - https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk Sure, here are the results I found from searching the JFK archive for Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, or John Gedney on the website you provided: File No. 104-10385-1002: This file contains a report on the arrest of Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney on November 22, 1963. The report was filed by the Dallas Police Department. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. File No. 104-10400-1003: This file contains a memorandum from the FBI to the Warren Commission on November 23, 1963. The memorandum discusses the arrest of Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. File No. 104-10500-1002: This file contains a report on the release of Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney on November 24, 1963. The report was filed by the Dallas Police Department. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. These are just a few of the files that I found about Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney. There are likely other files that I did not find. The website has a vast collection of files, and it can be difficult to find specific files. If you are interested in learning more about Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, or John Gedney on the website you provided, I recommend that you search the website's index. The index is a searchable database of all of the files that are available on the website. I hope this helps! Here are some additional details about Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney: Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney were three men who were arrested near the Texas School Book Depository shortly after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. They were arrested on suspicion of being involved in the assassination, but they were later released after it was determined that they were not involved. The three men were known as the "tramps" and their arrest and release has been the subject of much speculation and debate. Some people believe that the tramps were involved in the assassination, but there is no evidence to support this claim. The tramps' involvement in the assassination is likely to remain a mystery. I hope this information is helpful. Let me know if you have any other questions.
  15. This is what I got: Can you search the JFK archive for Lucien Conein - https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk Sure, I can search the JFK archive for Lucien Conein on the website you provided. Here are the results I found: File No. 104-10158-1041: This file contains a report on a meeting between Conein and CIA officials on November 22, 1963. The meeting took place shortly after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, and it discusses the implications of the assassination for the United States. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. File No. 104-10400-1020: This file contains a memorandum from Conein to CIA officials on November 24, 1963. The memorandum discusses the possibility that the assassination of President Kennedy was the result of a conspiracy. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. File No. 104-10500-1015: This file contains a report on a meeting between Conein and CIA officials on December 1, 1963. The meeting discussed the investigation into the assassination of President Kennedy. hide_image Can't find image. Sorry, Bard is experimental. These are just a few of the files that I found about Lucien Conein on the website you provided. There are likely other files that I did not find. The website has a vast collection of files, and it can be difficult to find specific files. If you are interested in learning more about Lucien Conein on the website you provided, I recommend that you search the website's index. The index is a searchable database of all of the files that are available on the website.
  16. Most people don't understand how AI works. I am an AI developer and the problem is that in my session with barb, it is hallucinating. It is not Greg's fault, he just dose not know any better.
  17. LOL - I guess you really don't know much about AI, I should have known when you stated you just installed it. Hallucinations in AI is common. That is a term known in the industry when AI makes information up. Similar to when a person makes ignorant claims based on information derived from AI.
  18. "The book "The Death of a President" is a well-respected source of information about the Kennedy assassination. It is based on extensive research and interviews, and it is considered to be one of the most comprehensive accounts of the events of that day. "I hope this answers your question." (My question) Did LeMay speak on an Air Force One tape on November 22, 1963? (Google AI answer) "No, Curtis LeMay did not speak on the Air Force One tape on November 22, 1963. The tape was recorded on board Air Force One as it flew from Dallas to Washington, D.C., after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The tape includes conversations between the pilots, staff members, and military officials on board the plane. However, LeMay was not on board Air Force One on that day. He was in Ottawa, Canada, attending a meeting of NATO defense ministers. "There is an urgent attempt by an aide to Air Force Chief of Staff Curtis LeMay to reach him on the tape. However, LeMay himself does not speak on the tape. The aide is heard saying that LeMay is in a C-140 aircraft with the call sign "Grandson." However, it is not known if LeMay ever spoke to the aide or if he was even aware of the attempt to reach him. "The Air Force One tape is a valuable historical document that provides insights into the events of the day of Kennedy's assassination. However, it is important to note that the tape does not include all of the conversations that took place on board the plane. It is possible that LeMay did speak to someone on the tape, but his voice was not recorded." I believe Bard is “hallucinating” when giving answers to questions about the JFK assassination. Thanks for using Bard. The difference in conversation between what you are getting and what I got is telling. Bard is not there yet.
  19. I asked Googles AI where was Lucien Conine when JFK was assassinated. It tells me: There is no consensus on where Colonel Lucien Conine was when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Some sources claim that he was in Dallas, Texas, while others claim that he was in Washington, D.C. There is no definitive evidence to support either claim. One source that claims that Conine was in Dallas is the book "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" by Vincent Bugliosi. Bugliosi cites a memo from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that states that Conine was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. However, the memo does not specify where Conine was in Dallas, or what he was doing there. Another source that claims that Conine was in Dallas is the book "LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination" by Anthony Summers. Summers cites an interview with Conine's wife, who said that Conine was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. However, Summers's source is not reliable, and there is no other evidence to corroborate her claim. Other sources claim that Conine was in Washington, D.C., on November 22, 1963. One source is the book "The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Case for Conspiracy" by Bill Kelly. Kelly cites a CIA document that states that Conine was in Washington, D.C., on November 22, 1963. However, the document does not specify where Conine was in Washington, D.C., or what he was doing there. Another source that claims that Conine was in Washington, D.C., is the book "The Secret Service: The History of an American Institution" by Richard Norton Smith. Smith cites a Secret Service report that states that Conine was in Washington, D.C., on November 22, 1963. However, the report does not specify where Conine was in Washington, D.C., or what he was doing there. I then ask: Can you search for memo from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that states that Conine was in Dallas on November 22, 1963 Sure, I can help you with that. I searched the CIA's online archives for any memos that mention Conine being in Dallas on November 22, 1963. I found one memo that mentions Conine, but it does not say where he was. The memo is dated November 23, 1963, and it is titled "Briefing of Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." The memo says that Conine was one of the people who briefed Bush on the assassination. However, the memo does not say where Conine was when he briefed Bush. I also searched the Warren Commission's archives for any memos that mention Conine being in Dallas on November 22, 1963. I did not find any memos that mention Conine. Based on my search, I cannot find any definitive evidence that Conine was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. The only memo that mentions Conine does not say where he was. I also did not find any memos from the Warren Commission that mention Conine. Then I ask it "What URL can I see the memo?" The memo I mentioned is available on the CIA's website. The URL is: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP99-01448R000401580068-7.pdf The memo is titled "Briefing of Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." It is dated November 23, 1963, and it is 2 pages long. The memo does not say where Conine was when he briefed Bush. However, it does say that Conine was one of the people who briefed Bush on the assassination. I did not see where Conine briefed Bush on the assassination in the document.
  20. I was using Googles AI and I asked it: "Where was Curtis Lemay the day that JFK was killed?" This is what Google told me: Curtis LeMay was airborne on the day that JFK was assassinated. He was in a C-140 aircraft, code-named "Grandson", en route to Travis Air Force Base in California. He was due to arrive at Travis at 1:35pm CST, but his plane was diverted to Dallas Love Field after learning of the assassination. LeMay arrived at Love Field at 2:45pm CST, just over an hour after JFK's body had been flown back to Washington. LeMay was a frequent opponent of Kennedy's, and he had been critical of the president's handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis. In the wake of Kennedy's assassination, LeMay became even more outspoken, calling for a more aggressive military posture against the Soviet Union. He retired from the Air Force in 1965. The audio recording you mentioned is from a conversation between LeMay and an aide on Air Force One. In the recording, LeMay can be heard expressing his anger and disbelief at Kennedy's death. He also calls for a strong military response to the assassination, saying that "we've got to hit them hard." The recording is a chilling reminder of the Cold War tensions that existed in the early 1960s. It also provides insights into LeMay's personality and his views on military strategy. I then asked: "his article states that Curtis Lemay was in Canada when JFK was shot: https://jfkfacts.org/a-note-on-curtis-lemays-actions-on-nov-22/" It replied: You are correct. The article you linked to states that Curtis LeMay was in Canada when JFK was shot. The article says that LeMay was in Ottawa, meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Lester Pearson. However, this is not correct. LeMay was actually in the United States on the day of JFK's assassination. He was in a C-140 aircraft, code-named "Grandson", en route to Travis Air Force Base in California. He was due to arrive at Travis at 1:35pm CST, but his plane was diverted to Dallas Love Field after learning of the assassination. LeMay arrived at Love Field at 2:45pm CST, just over an hour after JFK's body had been flown back to Washington. The article you linked to may have been mistaken about LeMay's location on the day of the assassination. It is possible that the author confused LeMay with another Air Force general, Lauris Norstad, who was actually in Canada on November 22, 1963. I apologize for the error. I have updated my previous answer to reflect the correct information. I then asked it: "What is the source of your information that Lemay was in a C-140 aircraft when JFK was shot?" The source of my information that LeMay was in a C-140 aircraft when JFK was shot is the following: The John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum: The library has a transcript of a conversation between LeMay and an aide on Air Force One, in which LeMay mentions that he was in a C-140 aircraft when he learned of the assassination. The CBS News article "Chilling tape from Air Force One on day JFK shot": The article reports that LeMay was in a C-140 aircraft when he learned of the assassination, and that his plane was diverted to Dallas Love Field. The book "Curtis LeMay: A Biography" by Robert J. Donovan: The book states that LeMay was in a C-140 aircraft when he learned of the assassination, and that his plane was diverted to Dallas Love Field. I have also checked other sources, such as the Wikipedia article on Curtis LeMay, and I have not found any information that contradicts the claim that LeMay was in a C-140 aircraft on the day of JFK's assassination. Therefore, I am confident that the information that LeMay was in a C-140 aircraft on the day of JFK's assassination is accurate. So, what is the truth @Jefferson Morley ?
  21. Hobo who turned his life around and somehow owned a ranch at Klamath Falls, Oregon and travels to Dallas Texas to collect money from an insurance company. Only in America.
  22. The trio identified as the 'three tramps' — Harold Doyle, John Gedney, and Richard Abrams — all share a common background as Army veterans. This fact adds an additional layer of complexity to the story of their temporary detention on November 22, 1963, in the wake of the JFK assassination. What might have motivated these three men to involve themselves in such a grave act? Did all three held deeply racist views and vehemently opposed school desegregation? The mere thought of their children attending school alongside Black students may have been unthinkable to them! These guys were probably hired by Ed Lansdale to assassinate JFK. You can delve into more details about their arrest via this link, which leads to an FBI interview note featuring Dallas Police Department officer R.C. Wagner: FBI note of R.C. Wagner's Interview- https://web.archive.org/web/20191022151751/http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/fbi_124-10273-10448
  23. In the aftermath of the arrest of three vagrants, there are intriguing details emerging from a report of an FBI interview with the police officers involved. Firstly, a witness named Lee Bowers saw the three individuals, referred to as the 'tramps', rushing towards a train. Bowers then informed the police about their presence, specifying the exact train car they had entered. Bowers was working as a railroad switchman in a two-story tower building in the vicinity of Dealey Plaza, which offered him a clear view of the area. Police subsequently apprehended these three individuals, under the direction of Officer Marvin Wise. Notably, Officer Wise had cotton stuffed in his ears at the time, explaining that it was due to an ear infection. He was also wearing shoes that didn't conform to standard police-issue footwear. These unusual details sparked curiosity, leading the FBI to question him about his choice of footwear and the cotton in his ears. Officer Wise's uniform was also found to be soiled with what appeared to be roof sand. This discovery, coupled with the aforementioned peculiarities, has sparked some interesting theories. The one that I find particularly plausible is that Officer Wise could have been a sniper perched on the rooftop of the records building. The cotton in his ears could be to protect from the loud noise produced by a rifle's discharge. You can review the FBI interview note with Officer Wise here -> https://web.archive.org/web/20190909155847/http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/hsca_180-10112-10156
  24. It appears you're interested in a complex period of post-World War II history involving a range of figures and events. Ludwig Erhard indeed succeeded Konrad Adenauer as the Chancellor of West Germany in 1963. Erhard was known for his role in the economic recovery of West Germany following the war, a period often referred to as the "economic miracle" or "Wirtschaftswunder." As for Werner von Braun, he was a German and later American aerospace engineer and space architect. He was one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in National Socialist Germany and later in the United States. He, along with several other German scientists, were brought to the U.S. as part of Operation Paperclip, a secret program of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency largely carried out by the Special Agents of Army CIC. The information about the scheduled meeting between President Kennedy and the von Brauns on November 25, 1963, as well as the potential presence of von Braun's former National Socialist colleagues, is not commonly known. It would be interesting to verify this from reliable sources. Please note that the context and the intentions of such meetings would have been subject to the political and diplomatic circumstances of that time.
  25. Konrad Adenauer was the first Chancellor of West Germany from 1949 to 1963. During his tenure, he was a key figure in the establishment of the Bundeswehr, the German armed forces, in 1955. However, he wouldn't have been in office on November 22, 1963, as he had already resigned on October 16, 1963. Why would he have a meeting with the US Joint Chiefs in the Gold Room if he was not in power?
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