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On 9/25/2022 at 2:48 PM, David Von Pein said:
I wonder how many conspiracy theorists endorse Dr. Cyril Wecht when he continually goes on TV and radio and tries to sell his bucket of anti-SBT crap to the world, armed with his silly argument about the test bullet seen in Warren Commission Exhibit No. 856, with Wecht acting as though the CE856 test bullet took the very same path through TWO bodies that CE399 took through the bodies of JFK and John Connally in Dallas.
A 'crap salesman' = implied kook---
Why is the case for CE 399 still referred to as "The Single Bullet THEORY"? I keep asking this.
2 hours ago, David Von Pein said:5 hours ago, Karl Hilliard said:If there were upper torso X-rays of JFK please link to this as I am not aware.
Check out the final report of the 1968 Clark Panel....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-1968-clark-panel-report.html
There were no torso x-rays of JFK that were submitted into the Warren Report or anywhere that I have seen. I cannot claim that none were taken.
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On 9/23/2022 at 9:02 AM, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:
To get back on-topic, I have a question for ALL the english speaking persons here.
How does LHO sound to you when you hear him speaking english (e.g. in the TV debate - to the press - ... ) ?
Does he have a New-York accent, a Southern drawl, ... ?
To me, it sounds like he is articulating with a little above normal precision (hard for me to describe).
Could be the circumstances of course (TV, reporters,....) and not his usual accent in among friends.
We know his writing was poor (so is mine) but how did he sound in english... ?
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Dr. PETTY. Yes, sir, I will be very glad to, Mr. Preyer. I think it is necessary at this point to sum up, in a sense, the flight of the bullet and its effect on those it struck. The bullet that struck the late President in the upper right back area and then went on to penetrate the soft structures of the neck and to exit in the front of the neck was, as has been indicated already, traveling in a somewhat upward direction anatomically speaking.
And so an artist drew what Petty described----
Diagram of bullet's path from HSCA report. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-bullet_theoryInstead of accurately observing JFK's position in the film---
At frame 203 [microseconds within the "suggested" hit in the back] JFK is not bent forward [unlike the cartoon shown above] -
26 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:
So you think the autopsy surgeons didn't even look for any bullets in JFK's body?
You'd better think again.
David...You have already commented that you believe the statements of one of the country's [possibly the world's] foremost forensic pathologists is that of a buffoon..a kook...and a loon---so what would what I think matter?
If there were upper torso X-rays of JFK please link to this as I am not aware.
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On 10/1/2022 at 1:01 AM, David Von Pein said:
1. The alignment of the two limo victims at the time of the shooting;
2. The location of the only known shooter in Dealey Plaza (in the TSBD, on the sixth floor, in the southeast corner window);
3. The fact that no bullets were found in JFK's body;
4. The fact that a whole bullet which positively came out of the gun that was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD was found inside the hospital where the two victims were taken;
5. The fact that the two injured limo victims reacted to being shot at the exact same time on the Zapruder Film.
With the above 5 things in place (despite the protests from CTers, who disagree with all of the points above, except for perhaps #3), the SBT practically solves itself.
QuoteThe alignment of the two limo victims at the time of the shooting
That proves nothing.
QuoteThe location of the only known shooter in Dealey Plaza (in the TSBD, on the sixth floor, in the southeast corner window);
That proves nothing.
QuoteThe fact that no bullets were found in JFK's body;
Something that is not looked for... will not be found-------
Quote...the pathologists claimed that during the time they had access to JFK’s remains, they only knew that JFK had what they believed was an entrance wound in the back with no exit wound, and a tracheotomy wound in the throat. They were also convinced that the bullet must have come out somewhere, because X-rays had shown there was no whole bullet left anywhere inside JFK’s body. Given that JFK’s personal physician, Admiral George Burkley, had made retrieving bullet evidence one of the primary goals of the autopsy, the absence of any bullets in JFK’s body posed a huge problem. The only explanation that they said had occurred to them during the autopsy was that perhaps a bullet had entered JFK’s back shallowly and was later massaged back out the back wound during cardiopulmonary resuscitation at Parkland Hospital.
In other words, when JFK’s body left the morgue, they were supposedly still uncertain about the fate of the missile that they believed, perhaps from press reports, had hit JFK in the back.
https://history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/EvenMoreMagical.htm
QuoteThe fact that a whole bullet which positively came out of the gun that was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD was found inside the hospital where the two victims were taken;
Yawn and ho-hum. That argument is so redundant----
QuoteThe fact that the two injured limo victims reacted to being shot at the exact same time on the Zapruder Film.
An opinion.... not a fact---which again proves nothing. Best stated--shot at approximately the same time and proven that it couldn't be that 6th floor rifle by the ballistics experts.
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On 9/27/2022 at 8:23 AM, David Von Pein said:
Via the Warren Commission testimony of Dr. Charles F. Gregory (one of Governor Connally's physicians at Parkland). Emphasis added by DVP:
DR. GREGORY -- "I think again that bullet, Exhibit 399, could very
well have struck the thigh in a reverse fashion and have shed a bit of
its lead core into the fascia immediately beneath the skin, yet never
have penetrated the thigh sufficiently so that it eventually was
dislodged and was found in the clothing. I would like to add to that we
were disconcerted by not finding a missile at all. Here was our patient
with three discernible wounds, and no missile within him of sufficient
magnitude to account for them, and we suggested that someone ought
to search his belongings and other areas where he had been to see if
it could be identified or found, rather."[Source: 4 H 125.]
What wasn't highlighted------
Quotethat bullet, Exhibit 399..... eventually was
dislodged and was found in the clothing.So no matter how you slice it...the [CE399 was found on some random stretcher] story meant that it was just planted "evidence" and had nothing at all to do with the governor's wounds.
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On 9/26/2022 at 1:11 PM, Sean Coleman said:
Duplicate post...Sorry about that-- 😕
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22 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:
Dave, you’re quoting the bible to an atheist
Crock-ola. Quite the opposite.
QuoteAt the news conference, Dr. Perry answered a series of hypothetical questions and stated to the press that a variety of possibilities could account for the President's wounds. He stated that a single bullet could have caused the President's wounds by entering through the throat, striking the spine, and being deflected upward with the point of exit being through the head.183 This would have accounted for the two wounds he observed, the hole in the front of the neck and the large opening in the skull. At that time, Dr. Perry did not know about either the wound on the back of the President's neck or the small bullet-hole wound in the back of the head.
QuoteSpeculation.--It is inconceivable that the doctors at Parkland Hospital did not turn the President over on his face and notice the bullet hole in the back of his neck.
Commission finding.--Doctors at Parkland Hospital have testified that the President remained on his back while he was at Parkland Hospital for treatment and that they did not turn him over at any time; they were busy trying to save his life. Consequently, they were never aware of the hole in the back of his neck until they were notified of it later.14So ...the Parkland Drs were just told about the hole in the back of the neck.
23 hours ago, David Von Pein said:Sean,
The Warren Commission definitely was NOT forcing itself into accepting the Single-Bullet Theory at all costs...
QuoteThe Commission, however, did not conclude the single-bullet theory had been proven, as three members of the body, Representative Hale Boggs, Senators Richard Russell and John Cooper thought the theory improbable.[33] Russell requested that his opposition to the theory be stated in a footnote in the report.[34] In the end, the Commission changed the word "compelling" to "persuasive" and stated: "Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President's throat also caused Governor Connally's wounds."[35]
The Warren Report has been demonstrated as being false doctrine...a phony gospel...and hardly biblical creed and more like dogma crap. Why is it [the SBT] still called the single bullet theory after 60 years if it is indeed factual canon?
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11 hours ago, David Lifton said:
The issue explored here, on this thread, is not Oswald's "southern accent" (when he spoke English), but the source of his accent when he spoke Russian. When he was living in Minsk, USSR, and met Marina at the dance (March 1961), Marina immediately recognized that he spoke Russian with some kind of accent, which she (Marina) took to be someone who (she thought) was from one of the "Baltic" states.
Hello David....my wife [of 22 years now] still speaks English with a Russian accent and she always will. People that don't know that she is from the former Soviet Union [Ukraine] can tell that she has a foreign accent but still have to ask her just exactly where she is from. On the other hand...my Russian is terrible and she reminds me that I still have a Texas drawl no matter how hard I try to conceal it. My Spanish is mediocre but still, I have this American accent and always will. Point being that the natural tendency is to retain your native accent. It is possible I guess, to learn how to disguise it but why bother? Anyway about Marina...she was very young and impressionable I gather, when she got married and came to Texas.
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I was especially interested in his writing in Russian script. As in his writing English words... many Russian ones are misspelled leading some to think that whoever wrote this note was not very well versed in the Russian language. For example ---key [ключ]...kluch or drugstore [аптека]..apteka.
Still a much better job than I [who can only print the Cyrillic alphabet] and this note appeared to be written in a hurry----
Oswald spoke English in what I believe is an accent typical of speakers from New Orleans.
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23 hours ago, Rick McTague said:
- The older man (overcoat and hat) and older woman (dress, overcoat with purse) filmed strolling casually EAST up Elm away from the gunshots and confusion and while a mass of people is running towards the GK; these two haven't been investigated and are deeply suspicious (I'm not sure what film they are in)
- Power outage(s) in TSBD
The old folks are perhaps these at 2:58 -------
They are actually walking east on the north side of MAIN ST...oblivious to the pandemonium surrounding them [not the least bit curious?]
If they are to be investigated we must hurry as they are probably around 140 years old by now 😆
About the power outage---the conspiracy deniers also deny this [or just ignore it] but a deputy sheriff confirms that there was indeed a power outage...
QuoteMr. BALL - Did it work with a push button?
Mr. MOONEY - It was a push button affair the best I can remember. got hold of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the second. I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got there, the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on the elevator. So I looked around their office there, just a short second or two, and then I went up the staircase myself. And I met some other officers coming down, plainclothes, and I believe they were deputy sheriffs. They were coming down the staircase. But I kept going up. And how come I get off the sixth floor, I don't know yet. But, anyway, I stopped on six, and didn't even know what floor I was on.
Mr. BALL - You were alone?
Mr. MOONEY - I was alone at that time.
Mr. BALL - Was there any reason for you to go to the sixth floor?
Mr. MOONEY - No, sir. That is what I say. I don't know why. I just stopped on that particular floor. I thought I was pretty close to the top.
Mr. BALL - Were there any other officers on the floor?
Mr. MOONEY - I didn't see any at that time. I assume there had been other officers up there. But I didn't see them. And I begin criss-crossing it, round and round, through boxes, looking at open windows---some of them were open over on the south side.Deputy Luke Mooney had been in the Dallas County sheriff's department since 1958 [over 5 years] and he was not sure these "plainclothes officers" were sheriffs deputies or not? Why were these guys coming down the stairs from apparently unoccupied floors? What were they doing up there in the first place? Why was that not investigated? Any ideas?
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Mr. BALL - Did he [Oswald] come in with anybody?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.
Mr. BALL - He was alone?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; he was alone.
Mr. BALL - Do you recall him having anything in his hand?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't see anything, if he did.
Mr. BALL - Did you pay enough attention to him, you think, that you would remember whether he did or didn't?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I believe I can---yes, sir---I'll put it this way; I didn't see anything in his hands at the time.
Mr. BALL - In other words, your memory is definite on that is it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - In other words, you would say positively he had nothing in his hands?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I would say that---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Or, are you guessing?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I don't think so.
Mr. BALL - You saw him come in the door?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - The back door on the first floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - It was in the back door.
Mr. BALL - Now, that back door is the door that opens onto what? That back door would be the first floor?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And it opens where?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - On the back deck--on the back dock side over there._______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
10:30 A.M.-1:10 P.M. Interrogation, Capt. Will Fritz's Office----
QuoteThe FBI has overstepped their bounds in using various tactics in interviewing me. . . . I didn't shoot John Kennedy. . . . I didn't even know Gov. John Connally had been shot. . . . I don't own a rifle. . . . I didn't tell Buell Wesley Frazier anything about bringing back some curtain rods. . . . I did carry a package to the Texas School Book Depository. I carried my lunch, a sandwich and fruit, which I made at Paine's house. .
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On 9/6/2022 at 4:03 AM, Benjamin Cole said:
I don't get it.
Yes it looks like the same woman, with some years and miles and weight on her. The nose and chin match up.
Hard to see the eyes, under the glasses. Forehead hairline looks the same.
Not a lead-pipe cinch, but I would bet on it.
About the glasses.... The lady in the earlier photos didn't wear them obviously and she certainly does look a lot taller. One predictable response to that is [of course] --she didn't require them at that time. Some of us wear or have worn corrective lenses. I was diagnosed near sighted at the age of around 10. In recent years I had corrective surgery implants but still need reading glasses. The point is that the 1963 pictures indicate bifocals. A jump from no glasses at all to being a 6 eyes is unusual. Also it appears that the pre-1963 lady had shrunk and no one has yet addressed that observation.
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2 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:
I wouldn't get too clinical about all this...it was Stone who claimed JFK was myth/countermyth to the WCR...JFK is his vision of the events...some actual, some fictional...
That certainly must not have been clear to Mr Reitzes and all the other Oliver Stone critics.
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5 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
I guess whoever threw the rifle into a somewhat hidden place thought that doing so might give him a little more get away time before the police would find it and maybe identify it's ownership?
Remember, the shooter was frantically running for his life as soon as he fired his third shot. Not much time to do any clean up work afterwards.
QuoteI guess whoever threw the rifle into a somewhat hidden place thought that doing so might give him a little more get away time before the police would find it and maybe identify it's ownership?
I believe that certain people already knew who the ownership would be blamed on. I further believe that the suspect rifle was already "hidden".
QuoteRemember, the shooter was frantically running for his life as soon as he fired his third shot.
I don't believe anyone ran away at all. My theory [only that] ...a couple of guys were up there disguised as detectives [maybe FEDS] w/badges. When the searchers piled into the 6th floor, they just mingled around like they belonged with the searchers and left. They had a couple of buddies down by the back door ...
QuoteSENATOR COOPER - Did you see anyone else while you were in the building, other than this man you have identified later as Oswald, and Mr. Truly?
Mr. BAKER - On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us. -
To get back on the subject, here is that movie [as I hadn't seen it posted] if it was...apologies. Actually, I haven't had time to watch it but now
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Dave Reitzes
Mentioned a few times in this thread as I searched the name. For those who haven't seen the link --- One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment in Oliver Stone's JFK Movie.. https://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100menu.html
Why not 101 errors? I'm sure another misspelled name could have been found 🤣 I read one post where a member wished that Reitzes would join the forum so he could trash the crap out of him [an easy enough task] One can find many ways to preach to the choir but in no way.. can they preach to a fire hydrant. Supporters for the official story are falling along the side of the highway like so much road kill. Pity.
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On 9/13/2022 at 2:50 PM, Roger Odisio said:
Grab Frazier and accuse him of being an accomplice. Either he cooperated in their story or he would fry with Oswald.....Then followed a set of fairy tales--the magic bullet, second floor lunch room encounter, etc.
The 'Curtain Rod' story.... the 'Paper Bag'---- total fabrication.
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2 hours ago, Henry Frost said:
The whole video clip is good, and chilling.
Wondering how soon after his arrest was that clip shot? He seemed to think he was picked up because he "lived in the Soviet Union". He must have been asked about this by somebody...How would they have known that?
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Queen Elizabeth seemed like a really nice lady. Her coronation was the first TV presentation I remember ever seeing. I believe her passing will dramatically change the British commonwealth as it presently is [just a hunch]
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36 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:
I think the suggestion that JFK was killed to prevent him from ending the UFO cover-up strikes most people as wild speculation and tends to discredit the research community.
Belief in the existence of UFOs was already widespread in America and Europe in 1963.
It bothers me that the term UFO [these days] automatically designates an extraterrestrial spacecraft. Unidentified flying object[s] simply means----We don't know what it is.
Kennedy was killed because he wanted to do things the Kennedy way. Others did not agree.
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I could be wrong but there seems to have been estrangement en masse in that family after the assassination weekend and the burial of LHO. Marina took the kids and went her separate way.... Did John Pic ever come to Texas? How many times did brother Robert visit Mom? Did Marguerite ever see any of her grand-children?...Any of them ever come and visit her for birthdays and Christmas? Sandy mentioned the sister and brother in law... did they ever come to Texas? Were pictures taken and memories shared etc? One exception would have been the exhuming at the Michael Eddowes' inquiry. Marina, Robt Oswald and who all else showed up for that?
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On 5/11/2018 at 2:06 AM, Mervyn Hagger said:
... if LHO applied to attend Albert Schweitzer College in Switzerland and on March 4, 1959, he paid the necessary deposit fee in order to satisfy US Marines that he had a legitimate reason for leaving, it would seem that it was his intention to attend college in Switzerland between April and July 1959.
What exactly is an "undesirable discharge"?
If LHO saw his mother just before taking off for New Orleans where he boarded a freighter for France, then it seems likely that his destination was the college in Switzerland. In any event, for someone to have control over LHO to that extent where his own plans are instantly torn up and replaced by a mysterious time line, means that LHO had somehow or other come under the control of something akin to U.S. Marines where orders are given and never questioned, and promptly obeyed. Now who could that someone have represented?
Bump this rather obscure topic----Never fully explained is where Oswald got the funds for his excursion to and through Europe and to gain this allegedly expected college education when he was reportedly a 10th grade dropout and purportedly a grade school truant.
An undesirable discharge [no longer called that] is now an OTH --other than honorable. This means that the serviceman is no longer eligible for benefits under the G I Bill.
Back to the ASC school ..I have run across some items. One is the reference to the school as "The Friends of [various] Religious Societies"....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.assassination.jfk/c/A8B-8APVhJI?pli=1
It is further noted [as discussed earlier] that the Quakers [Ruth Paine for example] are known as the Religious Society of Friends. There is this from the Parker study mentioned earlier---
Quote[B1]1-11 Correctional Industries Association, Unitarian Universalist Association, Friends of Albert Schweitzer College, Inc. , Correctional Service Federation, American Correctional Association, Federal Prison Industries, Inc. , Includes Listing
It has been strongly suggested by researchers that the CIA recruited from such strongly religious persons...especially the expressly pacifist individual citing that they could still serve their country in a non-aggressive capacity and that the Albert Schweitzer College..who nobody really ever heard of... was merely a front for this activity.
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19 hours ago, Mark Knight said:
1.) As a noncitizen, wouldn't she have been required to report EVERY address change to the Immigration Service?
2.) Once Lee Oswald was dead, she was simply a Soviet citizen in the US, and no longer the wife of an American citizen. Would that have affected her residency status with the Immigration Service? Would that have led to SS, FBI, and DPD investigators to "suggest" [threaten] that deportation was an option if Marina failed to cooperate, i.e., tell them what they wanted to hear?
In 1963, Miranda rights were 3 years away. And old "cop shows" illustrate how cops would bend the rules to pressure potential witnesses/defendants to tell them what they wanted to hear [witness the "confession" that the DPD tried to force on Wes Frazier].
So if Marina had NOT informed Immigration about changes of address, that might have provided cops with leverage, real or imagined, to have her tell them the story they wanted to hear.
Anyone have any information regarding Marina and the Immigration officials? I don't recall previously seeing any investigation into this area.
QuoteAs a noncitizen, wouldn't she have been required to report EVERY address change to the Immigration Service?
--- Not necessarily. As a foreign national...the initial resident card is temporary and expires in two years and a petition would have be filed for a permanent residence [renewed every 10 yrs] During that time..an application can [and should be] be made for naturalization as a citizen. By birth...the younger daughter required no such resident card. New addresses would be stated on such documents.
Did the FEDS grill Marina into "cooperating"? Yeah. Even Robert Oswald so testified.
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The (laughable) SBT
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Blood stains? This was a logical and sensible reason? There was a legal and prudent reason to file a report as written and left with a records keeper.