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Oswald was present in the Texas Theatre, some distance from the scene of the Tippit killing, at the time Tippit was killed in Oak Cliff. This is based on testimony of four out of four staff and patrons of the Theatre who gave information concerning time of arrival of LHO to the theatre, that is, one hundred percent of the witnesses among the staff and patrons of the theatre that day who have given information concerning knowledge of the time of Oswald's arrival.
Curious...Where are these statements documented? Because you can't really call something 'testimony' unless it is sworn to and/or signed.
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On 12/9/2021 at 8:43 AM, Gil Jesus said:
But in the case of Marina Oswald, the threat was to deport her if she didn't "cooperate" with the "investigation". Deportation would have meant that she would have gone back to Russia without her kids, who were American citizens by birth. She'd go, they'd stay. The threat of losing her children would have been enough to make ANY mother tell them what they wanted to hear. True or not.
Marina Oswald
Had Oswald gone to trial, anything Marina Oswald said would have been inadmissible. Once he was dead, she could testify about anything "EXCEPT oral and written communications from her husband".Next week: Part III, the sins of the Dallas Postal Inspector
The older girl [June?] was born in the Soviet Union. She ultimately became a naturalized citizen. I don't know how naturalization laws were back then but my wife [who also was a Soviet] had to apply for citizenship after meeting requirements [in this century]....
https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options/become-a-us-citizen-through-naturalization
https://projectcitizenship.org/become-a-citizen/faq/citizenship-for-children/
And yes...according to law in Texas and generally in the USA, a person cannot be compelled to testify against their spouse. It is much like pleading the fifth amendment...
However if some gal wants to voluntarily bear witness against her estranged old man---it's Katy bar the door [despite common thoughts that they just can't stick it to their hubby]
The younger daughter [Rachel?] was born in Dallas Parkland [I believe]
I hope that Gil is aware that Harry Holmes was dispatched to "interview" Lee Oswald until Jack Ruby had made it into the police basement.
I appreciate his work and dedication.
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On 12/11/2021 at 6:52 PM, Greg Doudna said:
Paul Jolliff, I will run down some comments on the points you make.
That could be in the spring of 1963, but the problem with Oct-Nov 1963 is simple logistics: when? And if it was an affair, what kind of hot date is it to take Marina, cranky toddler and baby in tow, on an exciting trip to a local gun repair shop? If Marina asked, "why are we here at this sports shop?" what would she have been told? I do not think another man in Marina's life in Oct-Nov is very likely to have occurred without Ruth's knowledge. Why suppose that as the explanation of the Furniture Mart in the first place, instead of simply Lee with Marina?
I had reviewed the testimony of Dial Ryder and what bothers me is that I could not find where Ryder stated anything .....nor was he even asked if he had seen this Oswald family...the wife and kiddos-- As it seems...he did not recall if it was actually Oswald that asked for the work. Only remembering the name Oswald was entered on a tag or something. So where was this family supposedly while the rifle scope work was being performed? Also...there was no interest in where the owner of the rifle may have been waiting while the work was done. One thing..the Carcano has a wonky scope that is offset to the left. Who could forget that? The whole issue concerning the gun shop and the gunsmith is really blurry.
QuoteMr. LIEBELER. Where did you get Ryder's name in the first place; do you know?
Mr. SCHMIDT. Well, it was from a tip around the police station. Now, I don't remember. I have been trying to remember where who specifically it came from, but it was one of the many we were getting at that time.https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/ryderschmidt.htm#schmidt
As a side comment.. I recall in the testimony of Ruth Paine that she had only met the DeMorenschildts once and didn't ever see them again. Odd... because she was apparently all so interested in perfecting her Russian language skills and there was the ideal teacher [aside from Marina] Of course maybe she didn't like them.
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12 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:
The story that Marina responded to the direct question if her husband owned a rifle by leading the police officers to a rolled-up blanket in the Paine garage appears in the Warren Commission testimony of DPD officer Gus Rose. He said that he was directed to ask the question during a telephone call with Fritz while the officers were at the Paine residence. Note that Ruth Paine, in her role as Marina’s interpreter, was the person who directly “asked” the question and interpreted the answer. Buddy Walthers was also part of the police contingent and his Warren Commission testimony does not mention overhearing the question/answer or that Marina led police to the blanket.
[From] The following affidavit executed by Ruth Hyde Paine on June 24, 1964...highlights-----
QuoteI was not present in my home for part of the day on November 11, 1963. As I testified, I made a trip that day, which was Armstice Day and a holiday, to Dallas, Texas. I was gone from approximately 9:00 A.M. to 2:00 P.M. Not wishing to burden Lee and Marina with my children, I had, them stay at my neighbors the Craigs. Marina and Lee Oswald and their children were in my home when I left and were there when I returned. Based upon my conversation with Marina and Lee Oswald, and my understanding of their plans for the day, it is my clear opinion that all of them remained in my home during my trip to and from Dallas. I never drove Lee Oswald, with or without Marina, to any area or place in or about either Dallas, Fort Worth, or Irving, Texas, to enable Lee Oswald to engage in rifle practice. I did not know until the afternoon of November 22, 1963, that he possessed or owned a firearm of any kind or character. At no time prior to November 25, 1963, did I know or had I heard of anybody by the name of Dyal Ryder.
Usually an affidavit is drawn up immediately after police contact is made concerning a potential witness. This one was obtained three months after Ruth Paine's marathon testimony to the Commissioners in March 1964.
QuoteMr. JENNER - Now, I turn to March, and I direct your attention to the upper left-hand corner of that card, and it appears to me that in the upper left-hand corner are October 23, then a star, then "LHO" followed by the words "purchase of rifle." Would you explain those entries?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes. This was written after.
Mr. JENNER - After?
Mrs. PAINE - This was written indeed after the assassination.
Mr. JENNER - All right.
Mrs. PAINE - I heard on the television that he had purchased a rifle.
Mr. JENNER - When?
Mrs. PAINE - I heard it on November 23.
Mr. JENNER - Yes.
Mrs. PAINE - And went back to the page for March, put a little star on March 20 as being a small square, I couldn't fit in all I wanted to say. I just put in a star and then referring it to the corner of the calendar.
Mr. JENNER - That is to the entry I have read?
Mrs. PAINE - Put the star saying "LHO purchase of rifle." Then I thought someone is going to wonder about that, I had better put down the date, and did, but it was a busy day, one of the most in my life and I was off by a month as to what day it was.
Mr. JENNER - That is you made the entry October?
Mrs. PAINE - October 23 instead of November.Mr. JENNER - Do you recall an occasion when you had a conversation with Marina--it would have to be on the 23d of November--about the blanket package and the gun in the package?
Mrs. PAINE - On the 23d?
Mr. JENNER - Did you have one--I will put it this way. Did you have any conversation with her on that subject, other than the one you have related that occurred in the presence of the police officers in your home on the 22d of November, 1963?
Mrs. PAINE - None that I recall; nor the day following, either.Wasn't Marina sequestered that weekend?
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11 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
Obviously, Dial Ryder's boss Mr. Greener read Ryder the riot act and demanded he deny everything or his job was history.
Now THAT's the "real world."
Because every question raises 3 more. Why didn't Dial Ryder just find that tag [that said Oswald], tear it up, burn the pieces and flush the ashes? According to his testimony, the tags didn't mean all that much anyway.
Mrs. Whitworth and Mrs. Hunter ...Yeah that was your leak to the press but they weren't there in the gun shop were they? So Ryder could have just said 'Oswald? Nope never saw him.'
Roy Truly's buddy Warren Caster was in a gun buying mood and Lee was there as Caster was showing off his rifles that Wednesday before JFK. Oswald might have mentioned this rifle.. if he supposedly needed to get rid of one ASAP.
Why did the Commission guys show Ryder pictures of Larry Crafard?
Quotewhat happened to that [alleged] rifle after Nov 11, now with the scope base mount drilled and tapped and scope reinstalled, rifle now readied for sale? Did Oswald sell or convey the rifle to anyone between Nov 11 and 22?
Obviously not. It was "found" on the 6th floor of the book building after the shooting...falsely traceable back to the accused. Someone placed it there and it was not Lee Oswald.
I believe that the story--- Marina taking the cops by the hand and showing them an empty blanket in the Paine garage was all a lie.
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Marina lied. She admitted lying and the Commission attorneys stated that she lied. So what did she lie about? Her age maybe?
QuoteRepeating Stories Which Even the Warren Commission Rejected
This lawyerly habit of preferring convenient but discredited witnesses is widespread throughout the book. With respect to Oswald's prior use of weapons (another highly disputable area) he accepts, as did the Warren Commission, the testimony of Marina Oswald. In so doing he does nothing to rebut the finding of Warren Commission Counsel Norman Redlich in February 1964, that Marina "has repeatedly lied to the Secret Service, the FBI, and this Commission on matters which are of vital concern."
Given this unrebutted memo, it is hard to excuse the Warren Commission for relying on Marina's testimony that the Mannlicher-Carcano "was the 'fateful rifle of Lee Oswald.' " (16) But Posner resuscitates a story from Marina which even the Warren Commission, knowing the story's history, discounted as having "no probative value." (17)
Marina said, "Then he got dressed and put on a good suit. I saw that he took a pistol. I asked him where he was going, and why he was getting dressed. He answered, 'Nixon is coming...' " She did not know who Nixon was, but was determined that Lee should not leave the house with the pistol. She asked him to join her in the bathroom, and when he entered she jumped out and slammed the door shut. Bracing her feet against the nearby wall, she struggled as hard as she could to keep the door closed against his efforts to push out. "I remember that I held him," she said. "We actually struggled for several minutes and then he quieted down... At first he was furious, but as he calmed, Oswald agreed to strip to his underwear, and stayed home reading the remainder of the day. (18)
We can only repeat here a few of the problems with this story, which at the time engendered a number of supporting statements to the FBI that were later hastily recanted:
According to one version of this latest story from Marina, Oswald had "intended to shoot Nixon" in Dallas; and she "had locked Lee Harvey Oswald in the bathroom the entire day... to prevent him from doing so"... Faced with the fact that the Oswald bathroom, like all others, locked from the inside, Marina then told the FBI... that in April 1963 "she forcibly held the bathroom door shut by holding on to the knob and bracing her feet against the wall"... Finally she would tell the Warren Commission... that she and her much stronger husband "struggled for several minutes" inside the bathroom... Faced with other, irreducible difficulties in this Nixon story, the Warren Commission discreetly concluded it was of "no probative value." (19)
Note here that Posner has glossed over the inconsistencies in two incompatible stories by attempting to present them as one. In fact if Marina was outside holding on to the knob, she could not have simultaneously been inside struggling with her husband.
http://www.assassinationweb.com/scott.htm
Quote...what is your theory of the Furniture Mart sighting of Lee and Marina with Lee coming in asking for a gunsmith? Your take on it, your interpretation?
I am afraid that I have no theories or interpretation. I am skeptical of the official story. Marina [for years] advances that Lee was not guilty of murder and that the Warren Report is a lie. https://novemberdays1963.tumblr.com/post/37177099041/marina-oswald-porter-on-oprah-1996
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15 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:
Marina... testifying under oath that [she] saw Lee's rifle?
On 11/30/2021 at 6:52 PM, Joseph McBride said:Armstrong proves, with exhaustive research, that Oswald did not own either of the guns entered into evidence.
Marina lied...she admitted so-- https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1978/09/14/oswald-widow-says-she-lied-to-the-fbi/5ca54535-f91f-422e-be79-f45392ee20b5/
The more she discussed the rifle, the more convoluted the lies became. It is mentioned that she was untruthful about meeting the furniture store ladies. [Which actually bolstered the rife ownership] This was allegedly because she didn't want Ruth to find out about Lee driving the car. At the time of the testimony that was a moot point because Lee was dead and Marina no longer lived with Ruth anyway.
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9 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:
I am not sure I understand all of this, but if you are suggesting Oswald never had a rifle in 1963, that makes no sense to me. How do you explain two DeMohrenschildts and Marina, three civilians, independently testifying under oath that they saw Lee's rifle?
Yes there would be a need for a gunsmith if Lee wanted that scope put back on and tried to put it on himself but stripped the threads
QuoteMr. JENNER. This was a weapon? Did you go in and look?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No; I didn't look at the gun. I was still standing. The closet was open. Jeanne was looking at it ...
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. He said "I go out and do target shooting. I like target shooting." So out of the pure, really jokingly I told him "Are you then the guy who took a pot shot at General Walker?" And he smiled to that, because just a few days before there was an attempt at General Walker's life, and it was very highly publicized in the papers, and I knew that Oswald disliked General Walker, you see. So I took a chance and I asked him this question, you see, and I can clearly see his face, you know.
He sort of shriveled, you see, when I asked this question.Didn't look at the gun but saw it anyway?
Who told you Oswald 'stripped the threads'?
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"It was Oswald's rifle" is a pertinent issue to the thread. My two cents has always been that if he took it somehow to New Orleans with him that summer..how did it manage to make it back to Irving, and reside at the Paine house completely un-noticed by Ruth or her children [presumably] or Michael Paine while Lee was in parts unknown unless you believe the report that he went to Mexico.
Marina testified that Oswald practiced with the rifle alright by 'shooting leaves from trees at the park' and he also 'took it to Dallas Love Field Airport to shoot' 😆
Regarding the weapons orders...I believe that postal inspector Harry Holmes was involved mainly because he was also involved in some other assassination related issues. Holmes had access to everything related to the PO boxes that Oswald rented. Harry Holmes was a FBI asset and government insider.
What happened to the ammo? Ammunition was not found for the rifle in any of Oswald's possessions. Even Robert Oswald wondered about that.
About the rifle scope...It was mentioned that it was screwed into a mount allegedly furnished by Kleins Sports. It was simple to remove or attach. Supposedly the sniper smuggled the rifle disassembled into the building...reassembled and fired it. If that can be done, why would that person need a gunsmith for such a simple task?
These furniture store ladies would have likely remembered if they saw this family on Veteran's Day.
Highly speculative that Oswald 'borrowed' Ruth's car... That Ruth did not take her own car when she left...that Oswald would know how long she would be gone anyway or that there was any need at all for a gunsmith.
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If Whaley's passenger was Oswald..why didn't this passenger just go on ahead and say "to 1026 N Beckley"?
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On 12/5/2021 at 5:08 PM, Paul Jolliffe said:
Therefore, rightly or wrongly, the idea that "Oswald" had been in Whaley's cab started with Whaley and not law enforcement (as part of a set-up.)
Or so he testified. Our readers are [or should be aware] that William Whaley was brought in 2 more times to testify. Once ... https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/whaley2.htm
QuoteRepresentative FORD. Did the man you identified have any reaction when they brought the group out, did he have any reaction that you noticed at the time you identified him?
Mr. WHALEY. Only that he was the only one that had the bruise on his head, sir. The only one who acted surly. In other words, I told this Commission this morning you wouldn't have had to have known who it was to have picked him out by the way he acted. But he was the man that I carried in my taxicab. I told them when I identified him.Then again... https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/whaley3.htm
David Belin rattled the hell out of Whaley about what number at the line-up was his choice. Six guys crammed into Whaley's cab and drove the route to Beckley---
QuoteMr. BELIN. Let the record show that the stopwatch was 5 minutes and 30 seconds from the commencement of the ride to the end of the ride, and let the record further show that Dr: Goldberg and Mr. Robert Davis from the Texas attorney general's office and I walked back from the point where the Deponent Whaley told us he let the passenger off at the residence at 1026 North Beckley, and that this walk took 5 minutes and 45 seconds.
And let the record further show that after visiting the rooming house at 1026 North Beckley---that is what I call the "long way around route,"---was walked from 1026 North Beckley to the scene of the Tippit shooting, which took 17 minutes and 45 seconds at an average walking pace, and this route would be to take Beckley to 10th Street and then turn on 10th Street toward Patton, and this is not the most direct route. Rather, the most direct route would be to take Beckley to Davis Street and then turn left or east on Davis, walking a short block to Crawford, and taking Crawford to 10th, and then 10th east to Patton, or taking Davis Street directly to Patton, and taking Patton down to East 10th, and that the more direct nature of the later route appears from the map which I believe is Commission's Exhibit No. 371, which is the Dallas street map.Years ago when I was curious, that is how I walked from 1026 to the Tippit shooting scene. It took me 18 minutes also....I kept wondering just where in hell am I going? Walking back is quicker...but it's also downhill.
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1 hour ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
As far as I can tell, William Whaley decided on his own on Saturday morning that the accused assassin had been in his cab the previous day. Nobody told him to do so. At that moment, on Saturday morning, no one in law enforcement, from the FBI to the Dallas Police to the Sheriff's Office had any idea that "Oswald" had been in a cab, right?
Told his superiors after seeing the evening paper [supposedly]. Also his memory had become enhanced 🐘
QuoteMr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had.Mr. BALL. Later that day [Friday] did you--were you called down to the police department?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you the next day?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; they came and got me, sir, the next day after I told my superior when I saw in the paper his picture, I told my superiors that that had been my passenger that day at noon. They called up the police and they came up and got me.
Mr. BALL. When you saw in the newspaper the picture of the man?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You went to your superior and told him you thought he was your passenger?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did the Dallas police come out to see you?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Or FBI agents?
Mr. WHALEY. The Dallas police came down and took me down and the FBI was waiting there. -
Continued from above....according to Jones the bus was about four blocks from Houston [a one way street going south]---
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On 11/6/2021 at 11:04 AM, David Andrews said:
The bus was stuck in post-assassination traffic, a block away from the TSBD. It may just have been searched out of cop fervor.
Was it a block away or more? In any case..we might wonder why it would take an hour according to the Milton Jones' *statement... for the police to conduct this 'search'. Perhaps this 'hour' was just an exaggeration as he was a young guy. Then again there was no supportive statements from the only other passenger [that was questioned] or the driver that the police had ever boarded the bus at all was there? I acknowledge that they weren't asked and perhaps if she was, even a scatterbrained Mary Bledsoe would remember the inconvenience of being delayed or having to get off the bus. *I got lost trying to find the post about all of this in the thread called "The Escape". Also reading the testimony of Cecil McWatters is like following the ramblings of a third grader. Applying my Find on Page search he used the expression-- "in other words" --189 times! The word "transfer" was used in that testimony 106 times. It dulls the senses just to read it. Another comment that I caught was the mention of a lady who asked for a transfer telling the driver that she had a train to catch and the bus wasn't moving so she would walk ahead to Union Station. Then why ask for a transfer?
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On 11/30/2021 at 2:29 PM, John Butler said:
Several of the witnesses in the TSBD on the 3rd and 4th floor said much the same thing.
Also...A fellow named Hudson was sitting on the steps of the pergola..I believe about halfway up the knoll. He was a groundskeeper of the area. His deposition----
QuoteAt the same time the President's car was directly in front of us, I heard a shot and I saw the President fall over in the seat..... This man said Lay down and we did. I definitely heard 3 shots. The shots that I heard definitely came from behind and above me. When I laid down on the ground I laid on my right side and my view was still toward the street where the President's car had passed. I did look around but I did not see any firearms at all. This shot sounded to me like a high powered rifle.
/s/ Emmett J. Hudson
The Dealey grounds keeper's mention in the final report...followed by his WC testimony in part.
Quotep 116 -Emmett J. Hudson, the grounds-keeper of Dealey Plaza, testified that from his position on Elm Street, midway between Houston Street and the Triple Underpass, he heard a third shot after the shot which hit the President in the head.
QuoteMr. LIEBELER - Let me just mark on that picture the place where you were standing so that we can have that.
Mr. HUDSON - Right along about there.
Mr. LIEBELER - It was right here where I have placed this "X", is that correct?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; right along in there.
Mr. LIEBELER - So, you were standing about where I placed the "X" on photograph No. 18 of Commission Exhibit No. 875. Tell me what you saw - tell me what happened to the best of your recollection.
Mr. HUDSON - Well there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade had done got further on down Elm, and you see, I was trying to get a good look at President Kennedy. I happened to be looking right at him when that bullet hit him - the second shot.
Mr. LIEBELER - That was when the bullet hit him in the head; is that correct?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it looked like it ht him somewhere along about a little bit behind the ear and a little bit above the ear.
Mr. LIEBELER - On the right-hand side or the left-hand side?
Mr. HUDSON - Right hand.
Mr. LIEBELER - Can you tell me approximately where the President's car was when you heard what you later figured was the first shot?
Mr. HUDSON - Well, the best I could get right off - I remember it was right about this lightpost right here.
Mr. LIEBELER - You are indicating the first lightpost on the right-hand side of Elm Street?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; coming off Houston, you see, there's a lightpost right there close to Houston Street, right there, just above this little crook right here.
Mr. LIEBELER - That lightpost doesn't show in the picture you have here?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir; it doesn't show in the picture - it was about, I believe, where the first shot was fired.
Mr. LIEBELER - You think he was by the lightpost in this picture when the first shot was fired?
Mr. HUDSON - Right along there is about where President Kennedy's car was when he was hit - at the time I was looking right at him when the shot struck him, when the bullet struck him.
Mr. LIEBELER - How many shots did you here altogether?
Mr. HUDSON - Three.
Mr. LIEBELER - Three shots?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - Are you sure about that?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - You say that it was the second shot that hit him in the head; is that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I do believe that - I know it was.
Mr. LIEBELER - You saw him hit in the head, there wasn't any question in your mind about that, was there?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - And after you saw him hit in the head, did you here another shot?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see that shot hit anything - the third shot?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir. I'll tell you - this young fellow that was sitting there with me - standing there with me at the present time, he says, "lay down, Mister, somebody is shooting the President." He says, "Lay down, lay down." and he kept repeating, "Lay down." so he was already laying down one way on the sidewalk, so I just laid down over on the ground and resting my arm on the ground and when that third shot rung out and when I was close to the ground - you could tell the shot was coming from above and kind of behind.
Mr. LIEBELER - How could you tell that?
Mr. HUDSON - Well, just the sound of it.
Mr. LIEBELER - You heard it come from sort of behind the motorcade and then above?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I don't know if you have ever laid down close to the ground, you know, when you heard the reports coming, but it's a whole lot plainer than it is when you are standing up in the air.The Warren staff accepted Hudson's statements but they do not reflect the conclusions at all. Official story apologists interpret above and behind as shots from the 6th floor window [not at all what he meant] If there was a shot after JFK was hit in the temple as the film shows and Hudson describes...it would doubtfully not have come from that 6th floor window....which was to the left... up the street from Hudson not "behind"! ---
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On 11/23/2021 at 10:03 AM, Derek Thibeault said:
I was arguing with Twitwin on FB about the backyard photos, look at the ring, the shadows, Oswald's words, it's all there.
You might as well argue with a sack of leaves. Litwin is taking each frame from that movie and creating a special critique of some sort. How many times did he say he has seen it?
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44 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:
Steve Roe's latest:
QuoteRecently on a trip to Dallas with fellow JFK researchers, we had the pleasure to talk to Dallas based researcher, Jerry Dealey again. Jerry, who describes himself as a "Fence-Sitter" in the JFK assassination argument, prefers to remain neutral. He has pointed out mistakes on both side of the argument. [Steve Roe]
Rather coy I think. A Swiss diplomat researcher...remaining neutral. Dealey? Seriously? Never heard of him [or Steve Roe]
QuoteThe bottom line here, and it's very reasonable; the shooter came down the stairs from the 6th floor just before Adams/Styles made their descent from the 4th floor.
If you juggle those time figures another way...you could make Adams and Styles the shooters.
Another wixpost...https://steveroeconsulting.wixsite.com/website/post/oliver-stone-doubles-down-on-the-looney-frontal-shot-to-the-president
Oliver Stone is absolutely wrong about this fleshette business therefore there was no conspiracy. This is like saying Clay Shaw was found not guilty therefore there was no conspiracy.
QuoteMiss ADAMS - And from our vantage point we were able to see what the President's wife was wearing, the roses in the car, and things that would attract men's attention. Then we heard---then we were obstructed from the view.
Mr. BELIN - By what?
Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above.Miss Adams' statements are omitted from the final conclusion Report [I guess it was all too troubling for the Commission staff]
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The blurry Bronson image really doesn’t show a lot, but you CAN see a “black stick” that is probably the AR-15.
On 11/23/2021 at 12:31 PM, Denise Hazelwood said:re:---“The Bronson film shows Hickey seated at the moment of the assassination." == It does no such thing.
It shows that Hickey was in a crouched position. He and Clint Hill were the most alert of all the other remaining party all night agents. I read that Hickey did not party the night before.
QuoteAR-15 immediately removed from Secret Service arsenal after the assassination. The too-heavy firing pin making the AR-15 prone to slam fire means that Hickey didn’t even have to pull the trigger.
Well... so they said. Don't bet on it. The AR-15 is not a fully automatic rifle so a burst with one pull is not at all likely.
On 11/23/2021 at 12:31 PM, Denise Hazelwood said:Shanklin memo noting that the “gun that apparently killed the President” was in the hands of the Secret Service on the same day as the assassination.
Proves nothing. Shanklin was just a stooge.
On 11/8/2021 at 6:04 AM, Benjamin Cole said:Zero eyewitnesses.
And even fewer earwitnesses.
Hickey would have to have been up on a stepladder to even have deliberately fired into the limo. If shots were fired from the TSBD it would have not been from that Carcano that the cops waltzed out with....shots fired that may have at least hit Connally.
Kennedy was hit at least 4 times...2 from the front.
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Mr. BELIN. Would you please state your name for the record?
Mr. HOLMES. Harry D. Holmes. [Postal Inspector...FBI informant..and all around government insider]Mr. BELIN. Where were you on November 22, 1963, around noon or so. That in the day of the assassination?
Mr. HOLMES. I was in my office on the fifth floor of the terminal annex building. located at the corner of Houston and Commerce Streets, Dallas, Tex.Mr. BELIN. Did you see the motorcade turn from Main onto Houston?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes; I did.Mr. BELIN. Were you looking with the aid of any optical instrument?
Mr. HOLMES. I had a pair of 7 1/2 x 50 binoculars. [Handy]Mr. BELIN. Tell as what you did that you feel might be important that we should record here.
Mr. HOLMES. Of course I was in contact with the chief inspector in Washington [of course]Mr. BELIN. I am handing you what has been marked as Holmes Deposition Exhibit No. 1. I will ask you to state what this is.
Mr. HOLMES. That is a photo copy of the original box rental application completed by Lee H. Oswald covering box No. 6225, which he completed on November the 1st, 1963.
Mr. BELIN. Where it says, date of application, that you gave, is it not?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. I notice over here in--a notation on the side 11-22-63, with some initials on it. Do you know what that is?
Mr. HOLMES. Those are my initials and they indicate that I took the original box application from the post office records on that date.https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm
Mr Expeditious...Harry D Holmes... was the last person to speak with him just before Oswald was murdered.
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On 11/22/2021 at 6:23 PM, W. Niederhut said:
It's a garbage review. Pure disinformazia. So much for Tim Weiner's limited hangout at the New York Times as a putative CIA critic... It appears that his legacy is now in ashes... 🤥
Rolling Stone--A stalwart bastion of iconic journalism there 😏
QuoteDo you believe that the CIA killed JFK? Millions of Americans suspect so. Let me ask you, then: Why do they believe it?
The tale can be traced to a Russian disinformation operation. [Tim Weiner]
The Soviets did report in late 1963 that JFK was killed by staunch right wing radicals who then also had Oswald killed. Tim Weiner fails to tell us how this Russian disinfo operation operated. I wish Weiner would "ask me" who killed JFK. I would say that [never mind the CIA]... millions of Americans just doubt that Oswald did.
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On 11/17/2021 at 9:08 AM, W. Tracy Parnell said:
I would think that someone who isn't suspicious of deep state matters might be delusional.
From that wixsite...
QuoteSuch is the case here in this film. There is no 2nd opinion. The film is trying to sell the viewer on believing there was a conspiracy to kill the President, using dubious methods.
Forget about the film for a minute. Many questions have been posed through the years. The official story believers say that Oswald was an expert sniper [based on nothing credible]... is that not just an opinion?
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Forgive if this was already posted...An online earlier Albarreli work --
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On 11/24/2021 at 2:53 PM, David Andrews said:
In French, are the surnames Souetre and Soutre pronounced the same, so that a francophone such as Lafitte would confuse them? Y a-t'il des indigenes presents pour commenter?
QuoteIn Paris, jewel thief Roger Sartet escapes from custody with the help of the Manalese, a small but well-organised Sicilian Mafia clan..
QuoteThe National Police (French: Police nationale), formerly known as the Sûreté nationale,
14 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:"Coup in Dallas" - More Conspiracy Nonsense! (onthetrailofdelusion.com)
Many people might be surprised that I buy an awful lot of conspiracy books. I'm interested in how they frame their arguments and I like to examine their footnotes.
Looks like that name [Suarte'] is just stolen. Reminds me also of Harvey and Lee where the most needed footnotes do not exist.
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Pages 39-41 in particular... DAP 'testifying' about the alleged tapes that were made of Oswald supposedly telephoning the Russian Embassy in Mex City..."The procedure was that a transcript would be made of [such] tapes and then they would be erased..." This is Phillips saying this right after he told Sprague that he did not know where the tapes were located.
https://jfkfacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Phillips-HSCA-112776.pdf
An argument for actual innocence of Oswald in the Tippit case
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/D Disk/Dallas Police Department/Dallas Police Department Records/Volume 04/Item 01.pdf
How could Hill have misidentified such an obvious difference in the nomenclature of the .38 special vs .38 automatic [or was it a 380] auto shells?