Michaleen Kilroy

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

And the thing is, when JFK came out, Lewis was a prime attacker of the film. 

Well, if you wrote crapola like this back in 1964, its understandable.

Didn’t know that. Guess he never wanted to question his conclusions based in limited information from the govt - not a journalistic thing to do.

5 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

I think it was Barbie Zeilizer in her book who said that the JFK case illustrated the failure of the media to handle a complex subject.

 

I think she also added that it showed the first real crevice between the MSM and the public on a major issue.

I don’t think there was a major event covered like this in modern US history. The MSM acted more like accomplices. And still do.

My mantra these days is the JFKA is still a crime in progress.

Yeah this one’s a knee-slapper, too:

...the commission analyzed every issued in exhaustive, almost archeological detail....-Witnesses here and abroad testified to the most obscure points.

Except they neglected to interview the closest civilians to the shooting - the Newmans - who thought the final shot whizzed near their heads from the grassy knoll.

And they never deposed Dr. George Burkley, JFK’s personal physician and the only medically trained person at both Parkland and the autopsy. How could that ovsrsight have happened in such an unassailable investigation? He didn’t agree with the single bullet theory of course: 

http://22november1963.org.uk/richard-sprague-memo-dr-george-burkley

35 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

HA HA HA

BTW, at the 30th anniversary on Nightline, nut case David Belin said that he had seen every CIA file dealing with Oswald.

At a Chicago seminar that year, Eddie Lopez snickered as he repeated that.  Burt Griffin was there and he added, "Well, I tend to disagree with David myself sometimes."

 

Yeah it’s amazing to me how breathlessly the writer accepts every conclusion with nary a note of journalistic skepticism.  I think much of the media thought that their blind acceptance of the WR was in the best interests of the country. It wasn’t.

Just happened to come across this NY Times article on the day the Warren Report was released:

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0927.html#article

Thought it might be interesting to see how much it got wrong. I’ll start:

”The commission also rejected, after complete access to the files of the F.B.I. and the Central Intelligence Agency, the claim that Oswald may have been some kind of American undercover agent.

3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

pg. 186.  "According to ex-CIA official Barney Hildago, after the Cuban Missile Crisis "the word came down that Alpha 66 was not in the American best policies to work with.  Politically unstable, too many wildcats, hot heads, shoot-from-the hip types and they could get us in trouble by going out and committing assassinations.  Well, being an intelligence agent you should be able to go hog-wild , achieve your end by whatever means.  But unfortunately , the agency said no."

"Picking up his story, Veciana told me that Maurice Bishop organized a series of commando attacks against soviet merchant ships in Cuban harbors in early 1963.  As a result of the (Cuban) Missile Crisis, he believed that Kennedy and Khrushchev had made a secret pact to do nothing about Cuba.  Bishop kept saying Kennedy would have to be forced to make a decision.  The only way was to put him up against the wall.."

"Surveillance of the refugees intensified; certain Miami exiles, including Veciana, were forbidden to travel at all."  

The most frustrating part of following developments in JFKA research through the years is the lack of any real focus, consensus or at least narrowing down of suspects. 

But to my mind, surely the rage of groups like Alpha 66 had to be a key reason for the JFKA.  Ironically, as an Irish ‘Troubles’ buff, I can relate to the feeling of being told you won’t be allowed to fight for your homeland from as a trusted and immense a partner as the US. I could also see someone like Phillips encouraging and abetting this rage into something that would benefit the goals of the CIA.

Veciana was a CIA agent and US Army Intel asset. He identifies his CIA handler as meeting with LHO weeks before the JFKA. Surely that is the nexus of the conspiracy.

Again someone this involved and this trusted by high-level US Army personnel in essentially a state of war with an adversary should not and cannot be dismissed with his sighting of JFK’s alleged assassin with a top intel officer.  It should in fact be big news.

The Army’s documented faith in Veciana in the months prior to the assassination bolsters his claim of seeing Oswald in the company of Phillips for me.  This was not some low-level asset.  And the list of his Alpha 66 compatriots looks like a who’s who of Cuban and US operatives who wanted JFK dead and could pull it off.  Perhaps Veciana still knows more than what he’s saying? Like WHY was he meeting Phillips in Dallas?

And isn’t strange how RFK’s first suspicions fell upon the Cubans and CIA in the minutes following the assassination before Oswald had even been picked up? And LHO with connections to both.

I’ll always remember seeing the newly minted editor of The NY Times being interviewed and somehow the Kennedy assassination came up. He said:

”I always thought there was something fishy about that assassination.”

Did the interviewer follow up with more questions? Did the Times ever do an investigative piece or even look at any new evidence that challenged the WR?

Of course not.

Releasing the source that told authorities about a reporter calling Oswald in Russia would effect the ‘internal’ security of the US - WTH does that mean?

I think that’s a meeting ‘on’ Cuba Michael.

And Alpha 66. And directing the CIA.

And Bill Harvey, fhe insubordinate head of fhe ZR Rifle program, is also in the loop.

When you think about it, how b@llsy is it to declare your suspicions about the CIA and that your family ‘had a problem’ with the agency on national TV?  When your dad and uncle were major political figures that you think the CIA had a stealthy hand in their murders?

I’ve heard the Irish say ‘God hates a coward.’ Then the Almighty must be very pleased with RFk Jr right now.

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Here is a review of the RFK book American Values that we just posted at Kennedy and King.com

 

https://kennedysandking.com/reviews/robert-f-kennedy-jr-american-values-lessons-i-learned-from-my-family

Excerpt from review:

“...the book is imbued with the spirit of the eloquent, romantic Irish-Catholic rebels whose fighting spirit and jaunty demeanor the Kennedy family has exemplified. RFK, Jr. tells his tales in words that honor that literary and spiritual tradition.”

Bingo!

Maybe we are finally entering an era where the assassinations will receive honest analysis by the MSM rather than their lockstep agreement with the government first begun with their unquestioning support of the WR.  Maybe.

Just looking at the photo of LHO passing out flyers above and considering this ‘lone nut’ was:

- promoting a group heavily infiltrated by CIA and FBI with a founder that wanted to turn CIA in ‘62 and officially did in ‘64  - which we just found out about in 2018

- promoting a group that would be  targeted by the CIA for a propaganda operation outside the US a few weeks later (with LHO heading for Mexico two days after the CIA alerts the FBI)

- only receiving publicity because he somehow found and provoked a response from the NO chapter of the DRE, a group that its founders had told Helms would not exist without continuing assistance from the CIA

- messing with an anti-Castro group that Helms, second in command of the CIA but ostensibly in bureaucratic control,  had re-committed the agency’s support of and hired a direct report - George Joannides - to manage it in Dec ‘62

- interfacing with a group that Helms, Joannides and others in the CIA would conspire to obstruct several federal investigations from learning about the agency’s sponsorship and control of the group. Later the agency would lie on paper to the records release board about having any knowledge of Joannides.

- not only interfacing with CIA assets but requested and received a one-on-one meeting with an FBI official - all in a single day

But the US intel community maintains to this day they had nothing to do with LHO but also didn’t see him as a threat, even though their DRE propaganda assets in NO stated that exact sentiment in a PRESS RELEASE shortly following their interactions with LHO.

Please. Just please.

How much horseshyte do they expect us to swallow?

Maybe America is waking from a dream...

Not even a scintilla of all the mayhem the CIA did has been revealed yet, IMO. The true history of the Cold War and the use of communism to reach these bastards’ imperial goals, and their control over American society and govt. remains to be written.

Now if the Post could investigate all the potential CIA suspects in the JFK case that RFK Jr. points to in his new book, that’d move the ball forward.

They can start with why Helms PROVABLY lied and obstructed justice with WC and HSCA.

Just now, Steve Thomas said:

David,

 

You're right, and that crossed my mind too. Why would the CIA, or FBI need Oswald when they were already burglarizing their offices and opening their mail, and like you said, 1/3 of their members were informants anyway.

They didn't.

They just let Oswald think he was important in that effort to infiltrate the organization. Someone once described Oswald as a "useful idiot". Another said, "Poor Oswald, he didn't know who he was working for."

Oswald was double crossed.

 

Steve Thomas

Ditto again, Steve. This is what makes the most sense to me as well.

4 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Paul,

 

I don't think that anything less than a successful assassination would have resulted in the invasion of Cuba. The removal of Castro was important, yes; but he was only a by-product. The Cubans would have just replaced him with someone else, like his brother. The ultimate goal was the invasion and occupation of the island itself.

Think geographically. Cuba is the gate to the the Caribbean and thus to the southern hemisphere.

 

Steve Thomas

Agree with this as well. I always felt whoever was behind the assassination wanted a war.

1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

If the intended patsy was going to be the FPCC, it would explain Oswald's New Orleans efforts in the Spring of 1963 to join and organize an FPCC presence there.

I think his alleged trip to Mexico City in an attempt to get to Cuba by flashing his FPCC credentials as bona fides, is a further example of this.

If there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, some people have asked when it was hatched. I used to think it was after JFK's speech at American University in June of 1963.

I now think it went back further than that, and believe that it was hatched after JFK's refusal to invade Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis in October, 1962.

This may also explain the missing two weeks in Oswald's chronology from October 19 to November 3, 1962. I think he was being trained or groomed to infiltrate the FPCC. He thought he was part of an effort to infiltrate and learn everything he could about that organization. In reality, he was being set up to take the fall when JFK was killed.

 

Steve Thomas

That’s the cleanest and clearest version of an assassination conspiracy I’ve seen. Makes so much sense considering who the conspirators likely were, the available evidence and who they wanted to blame it on.

It’s interesting to note that if you look at all of what we know LHO said in custody, the one thing he offered freely and repeatedly was his membership in the FPCC.  

It could be he felt if he stayed with the mission, he’d be OK.

1 hour ago, Rob Couteau said:

Yes, three cheers for our Italian partner, Paz! This is really excellent news. RFK Jr's book arrived in the mail today and I took a quick look in the index under "C": was pleasantly surprised by all the entries under "CIA".

It was mind-blowing for me to see RFK Jr point to all of my usual suspects - Helms, Harvey, Phillips, Morales - but really only report what they did and said, and how the CIA behaved overall before and after the assassination.  RFK Jr. never directly accuses anyone but they are in the book as blinking red warning lights to what looks much closer to the real story of the assassination than what the WC with all its blinders (self-imposed and otherwise) would ever know or relate to the American people.

Of course the media focuses on the more sensational news of RFK Jr.’s meeting with his father’s convicted assassin.  

What they ignore is what RFK Jr. makes clear in his new book - that the Kennedy family now agrees with longtime JFK assassination researchers on who the prime suspects are in the case - high-ranking CIA officials like Helms, DAP and Bill Harvey.

20 minutes ago, Rob Couteau said:

That's a major step forward. Now let's see what the MSM does with this.

Though objectively it should be big news, I ain’t holding my breath!

RFk Jr has an interesting new book out that cites many in the JFK assassination research community, giving credence and validation to a conspiracy. 

Jim, Larry, Lisa Pease, John Newman and others’ insights are included. He disparages Helms, Harvey and Phillips pointedly and even references a personal conversation with Veciana regarding his identification of LHO with DAE in Dallas.

Also includes some heartbreaking and intimate details from the Kennedy’s family POV in the aftermath of the assassination and much more about his dad, mom and his own struggles.

The book is called ‘American Values: Lessons I Learned from My Family.’

i haven’t read it all yet but you can check it out here:

https://www.amazon.com/American-Values-Lessons-Learned-Family/dp/0062845918