Michaleen Kilroy

4 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Just for fun, you might get a kick out this "Face the Nation" with Richard Russell, 

A great time capsule, but also note Russell's rather honest assessment of Vietnam and his puzzlement at Cuba. 

Remember, Russell was chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee from 1951 to 1969, and considered a serious fellow (also, unfortunately, a racist).  And he is saying he does not understand what happened on Cuba, in this interview. 

Whatever happened in Dallas, Cuba was dropped like a hot potato after that. 

 

Yes that’s a lot of honest appraisal rarely seen these days for a politician of any stripe. I’ve always wondered the same thing - it was Cuba, Cuba, Cuba until JFK’s death then it wasn’t no more. And any POTUS who even dipped a toe in it got burned. So they stayed away.

2 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

The idea that those "above" simply wanted to get rid of JFK and certainly not start a war with Cuba or Russia for that matter and had a separate agenda than those in the tactical part of the attack has come up from a couple of sources.

 

I’ve been thinking about this scenario as well. The CIA agents on the ground saw the anger from the more militant anti-Castro Cubans, possibly fed them the info about JFK’s initial attempt to normalize relations with Cuba, and suggested this was their last chance to save their homeland.

tbh I can see this line of persuasion working. I grew up with Irish grandparents who ‘passed the hat’ at pubs and church events for the early IRA that ended up succeeding in partially kicking out the Brits. They were fully supportive of action to take the rest of Ireland the rest of their lives.

Wondering where the Odio story fits into this? I tend to believe the sisters but it seems like an awful security breach for anything by professionals. But possibly the head honchos felt there were so many complex layers between them and the Cuban conspirators on the ground, it would be too difficult to make a direct connection.

5 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

OK, since we are speculating, let's go with Larry Hancock's premise that the JFKA was planned to provoke a war or invasion, or other very serious effort against the Castro regime. 

In most regards, then, JFKA was a CIA rogue action, in that JFK would not sanction such an action against himself.

1. Would the Miami hit-men undertake such an action without higher-up say-so?

2. Would this explain the sudden loss of interest in Cuba after the JFKA? Even Sen. Richard Russell commented publicly, and wonderingly, on the sudden vacuum on Cuba, while everything became Vietnam overnight in 1964. 

So...speculating, the senior ranks of officialdom suspected the purpose of the JFKA, and could not "validate" such an action. A message had to be sent to the perps, that assassinating a US president will not result in a preferred policy.

Well, as I said, speculation....

It always seemed to me that whoever was behind JFKA wanted war with Cuba and/or Russia. And it easily could’ve turned out that way.

But the minute someone from LBJ’s admin called DA Wade’s office to tell them to stop the ‘communist conspiracy’ talk, that possibility ended. But that also ended ANY conspiracy talk/direction/investigation as far as LBJ was concerned, and that’s how the FBI was directed, igniting the massive, grotesque coverup and letting all suspected perps, including CIA and Mafia, off the hook.

The government coverup resulted in citizen researchers still trying to figure this case out 60 years later.

And the only thing I know for certain is the evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt there was more than one shooter.

11 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

 

1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:

Actually I was thinking about his wedding band, which he left on a cup on the dresser when he left that day without saying goodby.  That seemed fort of definite.

On the Marine ring, I think Oswald was proud of it and of his service.  Actually he never considered himself a communist per se, socialist would be more like it but at the core he never rejected the US...

Thanks, Larry.

Yes and my understanding was he couldn’t wear his wedding ring when he wore the MC ring. It was recommended to be worn on the wedding ring finger. He couldn’t wear the two rings on the same finger, as I understand.

in other words, LHO leaving his ring with Marina as a sign he was moving on ‘might’ be a canard.

FYI I got Tipping Point when it came out. Excellent book.

25 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

A couple of thoughts/questions,  given Oswald as a false flag, missed shot shooter knowing this all is to be blamed on Castro.

Oswald does know he has been to Russia, he certainly knows he is associated with Castro and there has been considerable media coverage of that.   Unless he has an outstanding alibi such as being seen by multiple people during the shooting he has to know he will be grilled...he would know he would be  a suspect regardless so best have an iron clad alibi. Which of course is a trick if he is doing the shooting.

Still, he would have to stay in place at work and look totally innocent and calm after the shooting even if its a false flag with nobody hit or injured.  On that point note that he leaves well before he learned that the attack was real. Actually he leaves before anybody in the area is really clear on what just happened.

Certainly a couple of things he appears to have done make it look like he was planning on leaving town that day - examples being the ring and money left with Marina being an example.  How does it mesh with his not staying at work. Or having done something more obvious to show he has no plans to leave, like set up a visit to the Paines that weekend?

And on a side note, who is briefing Oswald and giving him all those assurances...somebody he must have some connection to and really trust, someone who has given him assignments before and built up some level of confidence that things work as he promises?

 

 

 

 

Larry - 

I’ve read somewhere that the WC played up the money LHO left behind but Marina later said it was their savings to rent an apartment at some point. 

Also, there was an explanation for leaving the ring. He wore his Marine Corps ring that day (there’s a fairly clear photo when he’s handcuffed). Apparently that ring is traditionally worn on the wedding finger. 

It’s a big, clunky ring. I can’t imagine trying to work a trigger or bolt with it on, or try to put together the disassembled Carcano in close quarters with limited time.

Why would he wear his Marine Corps ring? One possible explanation is that he was feeling patriotic that day. That would be the likely answer If he wasn’t accused of the crime.

I read somewhere that Secret Service told LHO before he was led out to meet Ruby that they took his claims of innocence very seriously and would make sure he had legal representation before they discussed his story. LHO apparently gave a nod of approval.
 

True?

I’m of the opinion that LHO probably did kill Tippit, either following spook protocol when an operation was compromised or realizing as he had quickly surmised at the TSBD that he was a hunted man the minute shots rang out in Dealey. Even though no one could’ve possibly identified him from the sixth floor window even if he had been the assassin.

41 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

On that day,  they also were making the case for indictment against LBJ.

Michaleen:

But what a powder keg situation that was. What if LHO, either deranged or telling the truth, yelled that he was a paid Russian assassin - that could’ve immediately led to WWIII. Who in America could’ve stopped it?

He also could’ve said he was the proverbial spy left out in the cold by his own govt. Or that others were involved still at large. Or he could’ve yelled Viva Castro!

But he didn’t say any of these things.

Except that he was a patsy, which really isn't saying anything. But that's right, in his short press  conference LHO could have spilled a lot more beans if he had them, and actually serve to protect himself, as any group he would expose may now be more hesitant to draw attention to themselves by murdering him.

According to Lovell, Oswald was very confident  he was in no danger by going out to the public. Which could indicate he thought he was being protected by somebody.

Another strange thing…. According to DPD interview notes, LHO volunteered very little info EXCEPT he was happy to prattle on about his running the NO chapter of the FPCC.

Why?

13 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:

I know, right? Thank god we at least got that. So many telling things from that short appearance.

Listen to his voice crack when he says "the newspaper reporters in the hall asked me that question" He is shook. Seems genuinely upset about the death of the President. Outside of that he did a very thorough job of playing his cards close and not giving away anything.

Yes, caught the emotion in the voice in that moment as well of the unfeeling lone ‘sociopath.’

According to his brother when he looked in his eyes after saying ‘don’t believe all the so-called evidence,’ LHO said ‘there’s nothing there, brother.’

That line has always been used to show how supposedly soulless he was. LHO could’ve also meant he had no guilty knowledge of the assassination.

8 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Kilroy (was here):

I like to say there isn't single straight line in the entire JFKA.  I am working on a story regarding Connally's clothing from that day. A pulp fiction novel is more believable. By far. 

You know, Nov. 22, 1963 was strange altogether. 

The day writer Aldous Huxley died (Brave New World).

The day Dr. Who was set to premiere on BBC (it was postponed for a week).

The day I believe Carlos Marcello won his day in court in NO and could remain in the US.

Strangeness all around. 

I’m always amazed that DPD brought LHO out to talk to media, and the DA allowed it.

The DPD claimed they wanted to show their prisoner was not being mistreated. It was also a sure way to endanger his life.

But what a powder keg situation that was. What if LHO, either deranged or telling the truth, yelled that he was a paid Russian assassin - that could’ve immediately led to WWIII. Who in America could’ve stopped it?

He also could’ve said he was the proverbial spy left out in the cold by his own govt. Or that others were involved still at large. Or he could’ve yelled Viva Castro!

But he didn’t say any of these things. He stayed with his innocence. Despite a tremendously dangerous idea to bring him out for a frickin’ press conference, he doesn’t say anything but restate his innocence and ask for legal representation. And he looks pissed when a reporter tells him he HAS been charged for the assassination.

As always with this case, the closer you look, the weirder it gets.

Yeah well said, Jim.

28 minutes ago, Chris Bristow said:

There is a small mistake in your math. From frame 229 to 313 is 84 frames / 18 frames per second is  4.6 seconds.
I find Greer and Kellerman to be most reliable as they not only heard the muzzle blast and shock wave they heard the rounds come zinging into the car. Greer "The last shots were almost simultaneous." Kellerman "The last rounds came in as a flurry of shells".

Big time problem with my math. That’s why I should learn my lesson and stay away from it altogether!

I had this figured out at some point. But looking at Zfilm frame 289 it appears Connally is still unhurt. Hard to tell in the next few frames but by frame 294 he definitely appears in distress.

So if we say he’s hit in 292 that means 21 frames until 313, so just a hair over one second. 

https://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n2/zfilm/zframe289.html

16 minutes ago, Chris Bristow said:

Yes and I always thought their argument was about kinetic energy dispersed into the coat and causing the lapel to flap. Can that happen? If the front of his coat between the bullet exit and the lapel was tight against his chest at that second then the energy from the bullet into the coat could transfer along the tight portion and then Express that energy in the lapel which is free to move. Admittedly I'm reaching a bit.

It could also have been the wind - there seems to have been a slight breeze that day and a minor gust could’ve swirled through the plaza with all that activity.

Either way, it’s immaterial to the fact that Zapruder not only confirms the Connally’s story but also the sequence of the last two shots. The majority of witnesses - from Robert MacNeil to Wesley Frazier - said the last two shots were almost simultaneous.

Connally appears to be in hit by 229. JFK’s head shot is at 313. The Z film runs 18 frames per second, proving JFK was hit less than a second after Connally.

Case for conspiracy closed.

Whodunnit?

That’s obvious to me as well - the CIA spooks who lied and covered up evidence for decades: Phillips, Helms, Angleton, Harvey, Morales.

Motive, means, opportunity and plenty of incriminating evidence.

The key for me is in 224 Connally clearly has not been hit while JFK clearly has, exactly as Connally recounted from his hospital bed at Parkland until his death, supported by his wife as well.

That alone demolishes the WC and the lone nut theory. It was a conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt for me.

On 9/6/2021 at 4:00 PM, James DiEugenio said:

That is one way to do so.  So I wonder what the latest is on that?

 

 

Here’s the update from Ben:

Verily, after getting the nod from Blakey on 8/12, and being asked by him to draft up an op-ed, I did so.

I presented Blakey with two versions on 8/22. One version I wrote, and one version had additions by Mark E. Adamczyk, a lawyer with experience and interest in the issue. 

I sent a follow-on note to Blakey on 9/2.

So far, no response from Blakey.

Not sure it went farther than this. Blakey wanted someone to write a first draft: 

On 9/4/2021 at 11:38 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Let us hope so.  Man I wish someone could get to him.

 

Or maybe do an op ed in a high profile periodical.

I think Ben Cole was in conversation with Robert Blakey on an oped.

He’s declassifying 9-11 docs. Might be a good sign:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-orders-declassification-reviews-documents-related-sept-11-2021-09-03/

Great post, Ben, that makes the correct point in my view that Dealey was put together by professional tricksters so nothing can be taken at face value.  The fact that the shooters could make the ‘mistake’ of firing a dirty weapon that would give away their location seems Iike a prime one to reconsider to me.

Like Dylan sang: 

The day they blew out the brains of the king
Thousands were watchin', no one saw a thing
It happened so quickly, so quick, by surprise
Right there in front of everyone's eyes
Greatest magic trick ever under the sun
Perfectly executed, skillfully done

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Hello Michaleen:

 

Testimony before the HSCA:

"Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)"

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I should probably highlight this aspect of the Nov. 22 events a little more. Connally himself, and other witnesses, describe him as immediately incapacitated upon being shot.  Which makes sense of course. 

To state the obvious, if JBC had been shot at the same moment as the first shot to JFK, then we would expect to see JBC crumpling as he emerges from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, in the Z film.  Instead, he sits bolt upright, as if startled.  

This seems clear to me. 

There is another post coming on the strange path of Connally's shirt after the JFKA.  You can't make this stuff up. 

I am getting zero traction getting a publication to print my Connally-shirt-bullet hole story. Even with your sexy lede. So it goes....

 

That’s the name of the game. In PR we tell our clients it’s called ‘earned media’ for a reason. Very difficult but very valuable too. Hope someone accepts the article.

Yeah it’s amazing the USG got the American public to overlook that the testimony of the other guy shot in the limo completely contradicts the WC and its single bullet BS. Oh and he also happens to be the governor of Texas.

It’s like when they accepted the testimony of Ruby over reporter Seth Kantor who saw him at Parkland.

That’s some major propaganda achievement.

14 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

The Z film appears to show three shots hit occupants of the president limo, and in too-rapid succession to have been issued from a single-shot bolt action rifle. There may have been simultaneous shots striking JFK in frame 313.  Some shots may have missed.  

And the three shots hitting 3 times is confirmed by two of the car’s occupants - the Connally’s their entire lives.  And it was also the preferred shot sequence put forth by the FBI two weeks after the assassination initially embraced by the WC until Tague’s story got publicity.

I believe Tague was hit by debris from a first missed shot that JFK reacts to as well as the little girl in the white sweater running towards the limo in Z-film but less people heard it.

In any case, with your earlier post about the bullet entry into Connally’s coat resembling the entry in JFK’s, case closed on conspiracy for me - there were at least two shooters.  It’s obvious (now).

People understandably focused on JFK’s back and the left reaction to the head shot, but everyone overlooked the obvious when Z-film was finally released - Connally is unharmed as he turns to check on the president, just like he said he was. 

If you conclude that the assassination was overseen by spooks with their smoke and mirrors, well, here’s your literal smoke.  Mirrors might include the Oswald double seen fleeing the scene in the Nash Rambler.