Rick McTague

On 9/14/2022 at 2:23 PM, Roger Odisio said:

What do you think Dulles was doing that crucial first weekend at the Farm as Oswald was murdered and the coverup began?

He was managing the manipulation of the evidence to assure a single shooter from the rear.  This would include coordinating the activities at Skunkworks and the NPIC that Doug Horne documented so well.  Maybe telephone records from that location would help?

I believe there are no coincidences.  There were too many "odd" characters and events in the precise location of the assassination to have them ALL happen simply by chance, with the UM and DCM at the top of this list, which I'm sure is incomplete:

- UM (signalling by moving the umbrella up and down)

- DCM (signalling by pumping his fist up and down and possibly by radio)

- The older man (overcoat and hat) and older woman (dress, overcoat with purse) filmed strolling casually EAST up Elm away from the gunshots and confusion and while a mass of people is running towards the GK; these two haven't been investigated and are deeply suspicious (I'm not sure what film they are in)

- The seizure event / ambulance at Elm and Houston a few minutes before the assassination

- The yellow painted stripes on the curbs of Elm just at the location of the headshot - no where else

- Drunk male at Elm and Houston who was considered a suspect as I recall 

- Power outage(s) in TSBD

Just a few, I'm sure there are more; no way all these are simply coincidences.

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On 5/18/2022 at 3:03 PM, Jim Hargrove said:

Back in 1996, Peter Dale Scott prepared a list of References to “Harvey Lee Oswald.”  It was forwarded to John A. and can be read in it’s entirety at the link below to Baylor University’s JFK/John Armstrong Collection.

This is a lengthy PDF file and Mr. Scott’s list appears on pp. 28-36, although there are a number of other interesting documents in the file.

Probably the easiest way to read this is to download the whole “Harv or Harvey” file.  Just click the DOWNLOAD button, select “Full Asset,” and click Download again.

CLICK HERE FOR ACCESS

 

Jim,

I'm not sure which was arrested by the police at the Texas Theater, Harvey or Lee, while other was led out of the back of the theater.  If the back of the theater Oswald was "Harvey", does his trail end with the Robert Vinson story?  Do you have any info on his ("Harvey's") trail from the back of the theater, to the makeshift field near the Trinity River where Vinson's encounter begins, and afterwards?  

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13 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Does anybody know if Doug Horne believes that somebody hit Kennedy's head with a hammer? Or any other nefarious thing (like "surgery" to the head) prior to the autopsy?

I ask because it surprises me that he thought the body was snatched only to keep it from Texas authorities. I thought it was snatched in order to do nefarious things to it.

 

Has anyone tried to correlate the provenance of JFK's body, being moved from the ornate casket on AF1, the journey it took all the way to the start of the official autopsy at 8:00 ET with the actions and story of John Liggett?  I haven't seen  the modification of JFK's body pre-autopsy mapped and coordinated with Liggett's possible involvement.

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On 5/9/2022 at 9:07 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Thanks, Andrej.  I've never seen the black patch quite this clearly.  As Paul Bacon asks, where did you find it?  As Horne notes, it's no wonder film experts find it not only altered, but poorly altered.

 

I think it is very important to note two alterations here: one being the black blob to conceal the occipital exit wound that was seen by many at Parkland, and two being the huge red - orange flap added to the right temple area which NO ONE saw at Parkland.

On 4/22/2022 at 10:34 PM, Ron Bulman said:

CIA director John Mc Cone called the director of the National Photographic Interpretation Center and ordered two, two pannel briefing boards.  The NPIC director called in Dino Brugioni and a team.  Two agents arrived with the 8 mm original un split film.  They all viewed it, repeatedly, the agents had not yet seen it.  All were shocked.  Yet they picked out frames that Dino had enlarged and put on the boards.  The agents took the film and boards.

Sunday evening 11/24, the NPIC received a copy, believed to be the original, in a split 16mm format.  They were asked for three sets of four panel briefing boards.  A different team processed them from the copy.  A copy of that is what we see on the internet today.  Each generation loses quality.

 

Ron,

Just for accuracy's sake, the film Dino received on 11/23 was an "8mm slit film" (the developers had to slit the 16mm film in half to develop it).  The film received on Sunday was an "16mm unslit film", according to Doug Horne.

When the developed original was sent to Hawkeyeworks, it was an 8mm slit film, as were the 3 copies, ready for projection.  The 16mm unslit film could only have been manufactured in Hawkeyeworks which was not able to be projected.  The camera original 16mm unslit film was slit in Dallas by Kodak to develop the 4 (1 original and 3 copies) 8mm films.

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As long as the topic is airplanes - maybe it would be beneficial to include the research around Robert Vinson's experience: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25901-two-oswalds-in-the-texas-theater/page/30/#comment-406900

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Link to the .pdfs

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jfk-assassination-national-archives-releases-nearly-1500-confidential-documents

Looking forward to the analysis from the leading experts on this forum!
 

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Other two factors in the ammunition topic are these:

1. Why would the clip be partially loaded?  It holds 6 rounds, but only 4 are found.  With the most important target in the world, why would someone partially load the clip?
2. Why / how would someone be so sure of their target and where the bullets were going to hit to load in one clip - in reverse order - ammunition with the specific types of bullets based on their use: FMJ to penetrate both JFK and JBC and be found virtually intact (544) and then frangible / JHP ammo to expand into the cloud of fragments found in JFK's skull?  Being a firearm owner myself, every magazine is loaded with one and only one type of ammunition, 99% of the time from the same manufacturer.  This to me is strong evidence of multiple firearms being used. Similar question can be asked of the pistol and casings from the Tippet murder - multiple manufacturers.

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I have two comments on this.

1. The synchronization for the shooters/spotters was managed in real time by three signals: a) umbrella man moving the umbrella up and down  b) Voice/radios from DCM near umbrella man c) yellow-painted small sections of the Elm street curb.  

2. The different types of bullets used (short load for the shallow back wound, FMJ/penetrating round for the neck wound and one of the frontal head shots, Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP) or fragmentation bullets for the other head wounds) all implies multiple shooters / firearms.  There is NO WAY one rifle with a partially loaded magazine would have 3 different rounds pre-loaded that way, let alone to keep track of what round should hit at what place on which body.

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On 4/7/2021 at 3:06 PM, David Butler said:

I wasn't aware there was another JFK Files release ? The link doesn't work and the last release I can see on the Archives website is the one from April 26th 2018 ? 

Yep looks like it got taken down after I posted this, David.

On 12/2/2020 at 4:56 PM, Joseph McBride said:

The footage shows that the MDW team didn't carry the casket

off the plane and catering truck as they wanted and expected to do but were stopped twice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNpq3HbTB0M

Just like the extant Zapruder film, this supposed raw footage is filled with cuts, jumps and splices.  Just like when the limo is on Houston, you see the motorcycles then the limo is magically down Elm, this whole film seems to leap ahead in sequence in several places.  Why can't we be allowed to view unedited raw original film of ANY aspect of the JFK assassination?  The only reason film is edited is to tell the specific story the editors want it to tell - nothing more and nothing less.

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https://intel.securecomm.network/45files/JFK_FILES/

I hope that the fine researchers who are on this forum can make good use of these; I have no way of knowing if they were previously available before today.

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7 minutes ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

If I remember correctly Rather repeated his statement three times. Did he stress that the limo did not stop every time? Its seems a remark without purpose( Apart from obfuscation). The evidence is very strong that it did stop. I believe it stopped and it looks plausible that Rather was told to say it didn't. 

In the video of Dan Rather, around 4:30, Rather says "The car was moving all the time, the car never stopped."  This lines up with the extant film but goes against many witnesses who said the limo did in fact slow to a stop.

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There is so much about this that is inconsistent with the extant version of the Z Film today, a few observations:

- Around :35, Rather says a single Secret Service man was standing on the back bumper of the limo, not seen in the film today.

- Around 2:30, Rather demonstrates how JBC turned to his right with his arm outstretched towards President Kennedy, not seen in the film today.

- Around 2:39, Rather says JBC's white shirt is exposed and pointing "to the full view of the assassin's window", not seen in the film today (and virtually impossible given the curve in Elm away from the TSBD vantage point.

- Around 2:59, Rather says a shot clearly hit JBC while in this outstretched, white shirt visible position, not seen in the film today.

- Around 3:30, Rather says "his head went forward in a violent motion, pushing it down like this", and demonstrated by tucking his chin towards his chest, not seen in the film today.

- Around 4:30, Rather says "The car was moving all the time, the car never stopped."  This lines up with the extant film but goes against many witnesses who said the limo did in fact slow to a stop.

- Around 4:45, Rather says the Secret Service man had a phone in his hand, not seen in the film today.

- At 5:00, he sums up: "That's what the film of the assassination showed."  This is either a complete lie on these points, or he was honest and saw a completely different film.

There may be more anomalies, but these are what I noticed.

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Kevya,

Your compass orientation is off by 180 degrees.  Mr. Zapruder is at the west end of the pergola, the bench  in your picture is at the east end.  The entire northern knoll is (obviously) on the north side of Elm - your picture is facing north.

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Rick

I imagine LBJ would not have let the opportunity pass him by to dig at Bobby deeper than the experience already did. From what I've read LBJ had the personality, motive and opportunity to do so.  This to me is an extension of this not-so-famous post AF1 oath picture:

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On 10/21/2020 at 8:25 AM, John Butler said:

Thanks for the clarification Chris,

So, the South Knoll is your favored location for this windshield shot.  But, could that extend over to the railroad bridge, say above Commerce St.?

From a truck there in the parking lot shot could be made.  Unless the p. limo is placed perfectly I would say there would be a greater variance in direction of the lineup.

I'll try to find one of those illustrations by Specter of someone else showing an overhead view of the p. limo.    

John,

I live here in north Texas, and have taken several pics in and around DP.  Here is one pic I think is useful to your reply here that shows the whole area from above the Commerce Street section of the bridge over the TUP, just about directly above where James Tague was standing, about 15'-20' from the end of the bridge.  The 2nd maroon vehicle in the center lane is right over the first "X" in the street; the maroon car downhill from that one is over the "head shot" X.  

This picture is from the southern end of the walkway, right at the gate leading to the parking lot behind the southern knoll:

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Rick

A compelling list of books and documentaries in progress posted on 9/9/92020 by Bill Kelley: http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2020/09/works-in-progress-re-political.html

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For those who think the body alteration before the autopsy is far-fetched, please explain the multiple records and witnesses of the multiple casket entries, multiple caskets, multiple wrappings of JFK's body and multiple conditions of the wounds, particularly the head and brain.

Jim Jenkins, Paul O'connor, Jerrol Customer are completely credible and each present a very different story of the above than the "official" story.  How could Jerrol Custer be walking JFK x-rays through the lobby at Bethesda when he saw Jackie and RFK arrive in the ambulance from Andrews that was carrying the heavy bronze Dallas casket?  Either JFK's body was already present or it was in the caset in the ambulance.  If he was not in the ambulance, he had to be removed at some point and placed into the shipping casket which arrived at 6:30.

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Greg,

You mentioned this in your original post: "-- In this reconstruction, JFK's raising of his arms and elbows and appearing to be reaching both hands to his throat, of Zapruder, becomes a reaction not to the bullet of the rear occipital entrance and exiting through his throat--that shot has not happened yet--but rather is a reaction to the shot that hit JFK in the upper back."

I cannot see anyone reacting to being shot in the back with both hands coming up to hold his throat.  I could see his dominant hand reaching over his shoulder trying to get to his back like anyone would.  JFK's only reaction to the back shot was what Kellerman said JFK said: "My God, I've been hit!".  Which of course he could not have done had he been wounded in the throat at that time.  I do think it's possible that this bullet came out in the car or in the hospital at some point since it didn't penetrate deeply.

So, hit #1 on JFK was to his back, hit #2 was from the front, probably through the windshield into his throat (reference the list of medical professionals describing the throat would as an entrance in Cliff's reply on page 3 from Vincent Palamara's 2015 book "JFK: From Parkland To Bethesda" ).

Where did that throat wound bullet end up?  I personally believe removing that or other bullets and altering the trach wound in the throat into a large, message, jagged wound to make it look like an exit was part of the "pre-autopsy autopsy" conducted in the >1 hour time period between the multiple morgue entries.  It also had to be when the head wound was enlarged and the brain removed per Paul O'Connor, all before the third morgue entrance with the bronze casket.  The Z film showing the large orange blob/flap was in progress (ala Doug Horne's timeline with the NPIC events described by Dino B), and the body had to be changed to somewhat resemble the extant film. 

The Parkland doctors and medical professionals described nothing like what the Z film shows; the Z film shows nothing like what the Parkland doctors and medical professionals described.

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On 6/18/2020 at 3:09 PM, Jonathan Cohen said:

False. None of the Parkland doctors determined the extent of this flap because Mrs. Kennedy had essentially pushed it back together while holding JFK's head during the ride to the hospital. Upon arrival at the ER, the doctors were completely focused on the wound in the back of the head but even then did not know its true shape and extent.

Well - what is seen on the Zapruder film was not described by any of the medical professionals who had ample opportunity and expertise to examine the entirety of the president's skull; a huge blob like what is shown in the film would have been mentioned by at least one of them.  Your supposition that that very large blob / wound it was no longer observable because Jackie "pushed back together" just doesn't make any sense.

Conversely, what was observed by the medical professionals at Parkland is not seen in the extant Zapruder film: a single large defect at the back of the head.

What the Z film shows and what the doctors / nurses described at Parkland are too far apart to have any reasonable explanation.

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Rick

Equally fascinating to this frontal head shot evidence and observations is the total lack of anyone at Parkland describing anything close to the huge orange blob/flap shown in the extant Zapruder film.  So this is doubly convicting - JFK was shot twice from the front and the orange blob/flap was manufactured in the film.

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On 5/25/2020 at 8:55 AM, Chris Davidson said:

The shot from behind could have missed and the blob was added to give the impression of a rear shot at that moment.

 

 

Chris,

The fact that none of the Parkland medical personnel saw nor described anything like the blob on the extant Z film to me is the greatest evidence for it being added into the film at some point, ala Doug Horne's fine work on Dino and the NPIC events.  A close second is the fact that what the Parkland doctors DID see and describe is NOT seen in the extant Z film.

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