Rick McTague

15 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Daniel,

I don't believe the back of Kennedy's head is blacked out in the Moorman photo we are talking about. Because apparently this photo was sent on the wire services to news outlets not long after the assassination. Seems there would not have been time for chicanery.

But then, perhaps this Moorman shot was taken before the gunshot to the head. In which case there would be no need for blacking out.

 

Sandy,

Wasn't the Moorman photo taken by some authority (FBI?) on the scene and when it was returned it was marred by the thumbprint partially obscuring the motorcycle cops?  Couldn't it have been altered during that time?  What is the actual provenance of the Moorman photo?

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I would like to add Sherry Fiester to the list for her incredible work on trajectories.  Being on site, standing near (~15' in the picture below I took in February 2019) the south end of the walkway over the triple underpass makes shot(s) coming from there as she posits in her book really come to life.

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1 hour ago, Andrej Stancak said:

Dennis:

there was a surgery to John Kennedy's head, namely the top of the head, which was reported by Commander Humes at the start of the autopsy (0800) and recorded by FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil. Besides their statement in their November 26 report, there is a comparatively new testimony of Dr James Jenkins corroborating David's finding of a surgery to President's head prior to the autopsy. As documented in Best Evidence and  mentioned by other researchers, there was a staggering difference between the wounds as described by all of Parkland doctors and nurses who saw Kennedy's head wound and Dr Boswell's chart of the head wound and the official autopsy protocol (and the autopsy photograph showing the back of Kennedy head intact) which do not show any wound in the occipital region. These pieces of evidence are enough to accept the basic premise of Best Evidence that President Kennedy's body was tampered with to obfuscate or even suppress the occipital wound.

I may have slight doubts about the  interpretation of the back wound and while finding good logic in BE hypothesis that the perpetrators of illegal surgery did not know about the entry wound in the throat, this my doubt is about one of possible scenarios but it does not question the presence of a pre-autopsy surgery to the head and neck. 

It is very simple: if President was shot at least once from the front, the autopsy findings should show evidence of a frontal shot but they do not. However, there was at least one frontal shot (e.g., HSCA acoustic evidence) and therefore if the autopsy report does not show it, it worked with an altered  body. This is the minimum what Best Evidence says. Later analyses of X-rays (Dr Mantik) and photographs (Tom Wilson) clearly demonstrated the presence of manipulations in the right occipital and posterior parietal region suggesting additional photographic alterations to suppress the occipital head wound.

Is this not enough of best evidence?

Andrej,

I might add to your fine assessment above, two items: 

1. The condition of the body before it left Parkland hospital vs. the condition of the body upon arrival at Bethesda.  At Parkland, the only damage noted to the brain was the occipital fist-sized blowout vs. a cavity you could fit both hands into, with no brain present, at Bethesda per Paul O'Connor.  The body was wrapped in sheets at Parkland and placed on top of a plastic sheet inside the ornamental bronze casket vs. the body received at Bethesda in a standard body bag, not wrapped except for the head, inside a pink shipping casket.
2. The evidence of multiple casket entries at Bethesda, which has been discussed at length here and in great detail in BE.

Someone had to cause these differences.  The body alterations are not "absurd" but rather events that occurred.  

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On 2/8/2020 at 12:46 PM, Chris Davidson said:

That appears to be correct:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lw1JHLVGVeKCF5pWtPbLuahN9ZK6aggQ/view?usp=sharing

Chris,

Watching that video from an angle that is rarely shown (usually, it's the video from another camera angle that shows LHO and not the police car), it has always struck me that the timing is ever so close when the car hits Ruby in his left leg/knee just after he shoots LHO.  If it had arrived a second sooner, Ruby would have been hit harder before shooting and who knows if he could have still made the shot.

In addition, at :16, you can see LHO's head really bounce hard against the ground, something I hadn't noticed before.

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Rick

FYI here is another thread here on EF that focuses on Mr. Capehart.

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William,

This post is intriguing, could you please fix the picture links?

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1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Talk about disillusionment!

Jim Lehrer, Bill Moyers, and Dan Rather have always been three of my favorite television "journalists."

And, yet, they all colluded in the BIG LIE about JFK's murder-- for 56 years!

 

When Dan Rather dies, the MSM will of course laud him like all the others, and leave out the fake news he helped perpetrate (how JFK moved violently forward in the limo from the head shot, how he was busted over George Bush's Vietnam era National Guard military record, etc.).  If you sing the government's tune, you'll get a great career and protected by the whole gang.

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W.,

Welcome to Texas!  Having been to DP several times (I go once a year), I avoid the Museum and the multiple vendors.  I try to go on a sunny Friday.  East of DP on Elm, there is a tiny little joint where you can get incredible diner burgers around lunch time which is when I usually go.  Then, I walk it off in DP.  I always walk down the Elm street extension in front of the TSBD building, behind the pergola and behind the picket fence in the parking lot (where Lee Bowers saw all the automobile activity) and to the triple underpass walkway.  Walking south over the TUP, you get a great perspective (ala Sam Holland and his coworkers) of the entire area.  I always go clear to the south end, near the south knoll which you cannot access but you can see how the cars coming down Elm curve and you can get Sherry Fiester's trajectories in perspective.

As you look down about 20' from the end of the walkway, you will see where James Tague was standing.  I then go back to the north, and you can get better ideas of how cars coming down Elm line up and also how they line up with the TSBD 6th floor.  I walk slowly behind the length of the picket fence, keeping the marked locations on Elm in view.  Realize that the trees are 56 years older than they were back then.  I stand near Zapruder's position (once I climbed up there that was cool) and take video/pics.  

You won't be alone!  Sadly, there will be idiots running into traffic on Elm and SMILING as they get their pics taken on the "X" spots.

I would note the storm drain on Elm on the south curb where Roger Craig was standing and a slug (.45 acp?) was found and confiscated.  I have also tried to get to James Altgen's position on the south side of Elm to align back to the TSBD ala Altgens 6.  Try to place the yellow painted curbs in the kill zone on Elm also.

It's a darkly fascinating place; I park on Elm in a lot near the diner I mentioned and then drive straight down in the center lane just like the limo did after the turn off Houston.  

The other places of note in this thread are also excellent ideas.

Take a lot of pics - I always do.  

Hope this helps!

Thanks and enjoy your trip!

Agent Hill seems to be the only one doing his job - who is his SS counterpart on the passenger side, who was supposed to be protecting JFK in the same manner?  Certainly he would have seen the same four circumstances that Hill did that made him get on the rear bumper of the limo.  That he was frozen in place makes me think he was ordered to stay there (I may have recalled reading that, maybe from Vincent Palamara's book), like the agent was ordered to stay at Love Field (which you can see in news coverage of that day).  Were they both ordered to stand down by the same SS agent in charge?  There are just crickets from JFK's side of the limo from an SS perspective which to me increases their culpability.

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On 10/27/2019 at 6:40 AM, Joseph McBride said:

"The President is in a grave situation, and he does not know how to get out of it. We are under very severe stress. In fact we are under pressure from our military to use force against Cuba. . . . Even though the President himself is very much against starting a war over Cuba, an irreversible chain of events could occur against his will. That is why the President is appealing directly to Chairman Khrushchev for his help in liquidating this conflict. If the situation continues much longer, the President is not sure that the military will not overthrow him and seize power. The American army could get out of control."

If this isn't as clear a statement of motive and what happened on and after 11/22/63, I don't know what is.  The day after he died, the army and Joint Chiefs of Staff got the power and the escalated war they wanted.  LBJ enabled it all.

Jim,

In the interest of completeness, I think the evidence Sandy Larsen uncovered a while back regarding the difference in the LHO historical dental records and the dental evidence of the disinterred body in the 80's is some of the strongest evidence of two Oswald's.  I don't have pictures but this is the thread where it was discussed.  Excellent work by both you and Sandy!

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1 hour ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

The question is, who told William Greer to slow down the limo on Elm Street in front of the concrete pergola?

Who could have possibly told to him to do so?  When was he told to do so? 

 

Keyvan,

Since Greer hadn't travelled that route before, he had 3 markers to tell / signal him when to slow down even more to an almost stop, when it goes against all SS protocols especially since shots had already been fired:

1. Umbrella Man moving the umbrella up and down

2. Dark Complected Man next to UM pumping his fist in the air, the military symbol for "form on me"

3. The yellow-painted sections of curb in the kill zone on Elm

I think all three were used together for Greer to slow to an almost stop and for the shooters to pour fire into the limo (a "flurry of shots" according to SS Agent Kellerman who sat next to Greer).  The behavior of the UM and DCM after the shots is very significant, sitting down on the curb enjoying the view of the chaos they helped orchestrate, while everyone is running / screaming.  A radio device can be seen in DCM's pants.  After this they casually stand up and walk in opposite directions east and west on Elm.  I can't imagine non-sinister reasons for any of this.

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3 hours ago, John Butler said:

Paul Bacon points out that the location of the photo is the Secret Service garage.  My memory is even fuzzier and I didn't want to make another mistake, but once he mentioned Harrison Livingston that was helpful.

Why would anyone stage this photo?  Well, in my opinion, it is due to the weakness of the Lone Nut/Single Bullet/Sniper's Nest shooter notions.  This photo would show the horror of the blood and gore in the limousine and help nullify any critical thinking.  Once one looks at the photos of Jackie Kennedy on that day and notice the lack of any significant bloodstains on her hips and the rear of her skirt one can easily say this was a setup and arranged later.

Mark Knight brings in Clint Hill.  I didn't think of Hill and it's a good point.  Hill would have to have sat in that blood and gore.  Nothing is said of his attire or how blood stained his suit was. 

Jackie Kennedy had time to clean the blood from her hair, legs, and outfit on the way back to Washington.  She could have possibly changed.  I think she said she wanted to show people what happened to her husband.  She wanted people to see how bad it was.

 

 

John,

I seem to recall pictures that show that Clint Hill, after pushing Jackie back down in the limo, sat more towards the top of the back of the seat on the way to Parkland, sort of in an elevated position on top of JFK and Jackie's positions.  As to the back of Jackie's skirt, I haven't seen any pictures from that angle to see whether it had blood on it, maybe someone can post those?

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On 8/4/2019 at 4:12 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Between what happened in El Paso and this, Trump has taken the art of riling up your base to a level not seen since George Wallace.

Jim,

Then by this measurement, who riled up the Dayton shooter, and the majority of other mass shooters who lean left?  Since Trump's base is largely pro- 2A, this just doesn't add up.  If legal firearm owners and users are "riled up" and commit the mass shootings, everyone would know it.  The (D) party with their rhetoric of violence against Trump and his supporters are the ones "riling up" their base, the direct result of which is Dayton and other shootings.

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2 hours ago, John Butler said:

Lee Oswald and UFOs?

From Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong:

“Late December-Lee Oswald at the Lake Mead Base

After Lee Oswald checked in at the large jet base at El Taro (NOT Santa Ana), there are indications he was immediately sent to the Lake Mead Marine base north of Las Vegas, Nevada. Gerald Hansen was stationed at the base in December, 1958 and told the FBI about a Marine that he believed was Lee Harvey Oswald. Prior to taking leave on December 26, 1958 Hanson witnessed an unusual incident during work. One of the supply clerks called out the name "Harvey" to a Marine who had the name "Benjamin" stencilled on his utility shirt. Curious as to why the clerk called the man "Harvey" when the name "Benjamin" was stencilled on his shirt, Hansen asked the supply clerk why he called the man by a different name. The supply clerk refused to answer and told Hansen to direct his question to Sergeant R. (Ronald) G. Ackerman. Sergeant Ackerman told Hansen that even though the name stencilled on the Marine's uniform was "Benjamin," he was using the name "Harvey." Akerman further explained that even though the man was using the name "Harvey," his real name was "Oswald" and he was from Texas. Hansen subsequently verified that the Marine was using the surname of "Harvey" when he heard the company commander, Captain Vernon S. Munsell, address the man as "Corporal Harvey." In addition, Hansen later saw the man wearing a utility shirt with the surname "Harvey" stamped on it.114 Needless to say, Gerald Hansen was not interviewed by the Warren Commission, but now we understand that Lee Oswald may have been briefly assigned to one of the most closely guarded bases in the US after returning to El Toro on December 22. 58-31132133

NOTE: The Lake Mead Base was a storage and transfer area for nuclear weapons which were tested at the Nevada Test Site. It is now known as Nellis Air Force Base Area II and is one of three Air Force nuclear storage areas in the United States. The base is on the northern outskirts of Las vegas, is visible from cars travelling on Interstate 15, and from aircraft approaching the Las vegas airport.”

Isn’t Nellis Air Force Base Area 51?  What was Lee Oswald doing there?  Becoming part of the “UFO” plot to kill Kennedy?  Did CIA agent Oswald meet Aliens?  Was he influenced by Aliens?  Did Aliens program Oswald to kill Kennedy? 

Can one build a ludicrous, but humorous Oswald and the Aliens theory?  It could make as much sense as some of the things I have read.  I’ve often thought that some of the Elsie Dorman films frames show round, shiny alien devices rather than water bubbles or marks.  Hmmm?  I wander what Jim Marrs would have thought?

It's also interesting that this same base is the very last place the second Oswald was seen, where a CIA plane - one that diverted over Nebraska, headed for Dallas, landed in the Trinity River bottoms, picked up an Oswald lookalike and a dark complected man (Morales?) 11/22 afternoon and flew to Nellis - landed.  Robert Vinson was the last guy who saw the second Oswald at Nellis who then disappeared into history after getting off the plane.

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On 7/25/2019 at 8:24 AM, Paul Jolliffe said:

The entire four minute Ron Reiland footage is well worth watching, but the most relevant part begins at the 1:10 mark - be sure to turn on your speakers!

 

At 1:23, the narrator says that the gun the officer is holding (a revolver) was the gun used to murder Tippitt.  He's holding the gun and the throw-down wallet.  This is the first I've heard of a gun being found at the Tippit murder scene.  What became of this gun?  How does that square with the non-functioning revolver found on LHO in the Texas Theater?  Was this first gun entered into evidence, and what became of it?  It boggles the mind that the shooter would discard 4 out of 6 rounds in the cylinder (something you have to really try to do) and then leave the partially empty murder weapon itself with prints, etc. all over it in the same location - along with the wallet.  If this wasn't a setup for framing LHO I don't know what else it could be!!

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2 hours ago, Ken Rheberg said:

By the way, I've noticed that Jim DiEugenio has now placed the "irrelevant" tag on Dan Rather in one of his posts.
 

 

Ken,

Rather made the "myth" quote about a side note he mentions that someone said he should just hit Zapruder and take the film and run, that was the "irrelevant" tale Jim mentions.

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On 7/14/2019 at 8:41 PM, Michaleen Kilroy said:

I'm not sure so I'll let the Dan the Man tell his story:  

 

at 4:00, he says "it's a nice myth, so why don't we just live with the myth.  If you're a news organization, you should try hard not to live with a myth, but that never happened".

Truer words were never spoken about the JFKA.

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4 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Anyway, I'm still here....

Now to have Mr. Hancock join us in a DP walkabout would be special and very informative indeed ... it's only a quick jaunt down I-35!

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On 6/30/2019 at 10:34 PM, Ron Bulman said:

 If you want to do a walkabout of Dealy Plaza some time PM me.  Rick McTauge (?) might be interested.

Ron, Thanks for thinking about me on the DP walkabout!

Darell, I'd be glad to meet up sometime down there and walk around, bounce ideas and thoughts off each other.  I tend to avoid it (DP) during the summer / fall months due to heat, but I'm down for anytime around November through Feb/March.  Please keep my name handy, I'll post here when I'm going down there and hopefully a few can join!  Meanwhile, you can do a search for my posts which include pictures I've taken quite recently.

Thanks - take care!

Rick

17 hours ago, Chris Bristow said:

Like many people I find it very hard to believe that Connally lost 4 inches of rib on his right side then turned that direction to see JFK. He said he turned as far as he could! According to Cyril Weicht, in addition to his wrist injury he also had the tendon to his right thumb severed. But he not only managed to hold on to his Stetson for 5 seconds, he articulated his wrist to bend downward in order to fit his Stetson between himself and the door as he turned. 
 Connally said he was hit as he turned back around but when JFK was hit in the head Connally had only turned half way back. That would mean the bullet that entered his back and exited under his nipple had to have come from somewhere like the  old courthouse. Could it have come from the East and changed direction upon striking the rib? I don't know.
 I have a vague memory of a CT about a gunman on the roof. wondering if anyone has thoughts on any of this.

Chris,

Your thread made me think of a topic covered in this thread several years back, about an A/C worker finding a 30.06 casing on the roof of the Dallas County Records Building (caddy-corner from the TSBD).  While other entries describe slugs and fragments being planted in DP over the years, the likelihood of an innocent explanation for one spent shell casing on top of a DP building with line of sight to the limo in 1963, and from a more easterly angle is what led me to post this reply.  I hope it leads to something.

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Aquarius (Netflix)

I happened onto this series a couple of years back, they have two seasons of it.  I'm not saying it did or did not adhere to facts but it does do an amazing job of portraying that late-60's LA scene from many classes of society, mainly from the POV of David Duchovney's character, a police detective.  The whole vibe was really well re-created, including the Manson family "compound" and the ethos there.  I liked that it showed how girls who were neglected by their fathers / parents could be easily taken in by the family, who gave them what they thought they needed: unconditional acceptance and love.

The back story is interesting too, flashbacks to the early 60's with a clean cut Manson homosexually involved with a LA big shot and others, a covered up murder and it all comes back around in the late 60's.  Not sure if any of that is factual...

It's worth viewing I think from doing a good job re-creating that time and place and events.

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1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Curious also is the condition of the magic bullet versus the one that struck JFK's skull.

The head bullet significantly fragmentized upon one strike impact into JFK's skull bone at 265 feet distance yet the magic bullet remained almost pristine after double impacting into Connally's rib and wrist bones at 150 feet?

 

Joe,

This point helps the conclusion that there is no logical way that LHO or anyone else could have, in one rifle with a magazine that held 6 rounds, load only 4, miss with the first shot (unknown bullet type but probably full metal jacket), then hit with another FMJ that penetrated and caused those 7 wounds then the third fragmented or hollow point bullet that sprayed through JFK's skull then leaving a 4th round in the chamber.  All of these intentionally loaded in the order that he needed to hit JFK - no way.  You never load multiple bullet types in a magazine, you never partially load a magazine, especially when you are trying to kill the President of the United States.  You would fully load with fragmenting / hollow point rounds for maximum damage, with at least another spare mag also fully loaded for follow up shots.  That, and the lack of any other rifle ammo for the MC besides those 4 rounds - it makes no sense at all.

Thoughts?

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14 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

So there was a wound in the right temple hairline, that was not examined during the autopsy.  Though Jenkins says Humes and Finck started to but were stooped by Burkley.

This sure doesn't sound like he saw the large orange blob wound that we see in the extant Z film - just like the Parkland medical professionals didn't see it either. 

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7 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

So, I think we need to be careful about our “model” for the shots to JFK's head, particularly as derived from the Zapruder Film frames, Parkland/autopsy observations, even eyewitness accounts.

 

Gene

Gene,

Like Joe, I have very little formal education in the area of physics and related areas of study.  Having said that, doesn't just plain common sense in viewing the back and to the left head snap of JFK, the many day one observations by Parkland health care professionals of his back of head wound, the evidence of spatter and brain matter impacting Officer Hargis and the Harper fragment all line up to a shot from the front entering the right temple area (as demonstrated by Kilduff) and exiting the rear lower/middle head of JFK?  

I mean, when you take it all together it seems like that is a logical conclusion.  In addition, those factors make the theory of a head shot behind and higher from the SE window of the 6th floor much less logical.

Thoughts?

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