For those interested, Glenn Greenwald asks interesting questions about 1.6:

None of the 600 rioters arrested on Jan. 6 appears to have any conspiratorial connections, and that is based on charges levelled at them by federal prosecutors working for the Biden Administration. 

1.6 appears very much to have been a scrum, unless there were federal assets in the crowd, or assets that enabled participants to get to Washington. 

Why the Capitol Police were so undermanned on Jan. 6---with the Commander of the Civil Disturbance Unit in suburban Maryland making meatloaf in the afternoon, by the WaPo account---remains a question. 

It is curious the the top guys at Oathkeepers and Patriot Boys, a Stewart Rhodes and Enrique Tarrio, are suspected of being federal assets, and Tarrio is a confirmed asset in the past.  

M$M has a narrative on 1.6, but it is looking dubious. 

6 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Well, I can only shake my head about the credulity of Benjamin Cole and the Trumpsters here.  Critical thinking?  Huh?

First Trump advertised his Russia-gate cover up scenario as, "Obama-gate," then it was "Spy-gate," then he presented his carefully contrived, "Nunes Memo."  They were all debunked as nothing burgers.

The available evidence has clearly shown that the 2016 Trump campaign had extensive contacts with Kremlin officials, and that Putin meddled in our election to put Trump in the White House-- as Felix Sater foretold in 2015.  Paul Manafort repeatedly committed perjury during the Mueller investigation, but knew all along that Trump would pardon him if he stonewalled the investigation-- in a blatant case of witness tampering and obstruction of justice by a sitting President.

Next, Barr was appointed as AG in a dubious 53 Senate party-line vote, and promptly aborted the Mueller investigation, presenting a false summary of the results, while withholding the unredacted Report from Congress and tying it up in the courts-- to this day! 

Lastly, Barr appointed Durham to cook another Russia-gate Denial nothing burger for public consumption.

So, when do we finally get to read the Barr-aborted, heavily-redacted Mueller Report?

Similarly, Trump is now aggressively trying to block access to the records of his involvement in the January 6th coup attempt.

And I'm still waiting for Benjamin Cole to answer my old question about how an alleged Deep State "false flag" January 6th attack on Congress could have conceivably benefited anyone but Donald Trump.

Perhaps Ben could apply his critical thinking skills to answering that question.

W.-

Please try to keep the conversation, well, conversational.  If we disagree on issues and perceptions, that's fine. You have your views, and I have mine. 

Why not express your views, but respect the views of others, and leave it at that?

That is the art of civil discourse. 

19 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Well said, Kirk.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Redneck has just posted his review of Tucker Carlson's Patriot Purge in his inimitable style.

I love this guy.  I hope he doesn't pull a Glenn Greenwald and start working for Fox... 🤪

January 6th Wasn't A False Flag

Trae Crowder blasts the conspiracy theory that January 6th was a false flag.

 

Meh.

The Liberal Redneck guy has not seen the Tucker Carlson three-part series, nor appears to  understand the heavy federal asset infiltration of Muslim, or "right-wing" and other non-mainstream groups. 

At the Intercept, they say the whole Gov. Whitmer kidnap plot would have never happened but for the involvement of federal assets. That is worth pondering. 

Sure is funny how federal prosecutors have laid off of Stewart Rhodes, top guy at the Oathkeepers. But they threw Mr. Buffalo Horns in jail and left him there.  Some suspect Rhodes is a federal asset, as was the Afro-Cuban Enrique Tarrio of the Proud Boys. 

The only other person I can think of whose films and documentaries are bashed even before they are released  is Oliver Stone. 

The M$M 1.6 narrative is looking dubious. But then, what else is new? 

24 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

One thing many miss on here is; it matters not who made the statement, only whether it has validity or not. 
It would be great to see a renaissance of critical thinking. 

Man, you said it. 

Right now, groups and individuals affiliate with, indeed worship, narratives, not journalism.

The NYT, WaPo, and yes Fox, deliver narratives, and they have their cocooned followers. 

To be sure, no one is perfect, but head and shoulders above the rest are Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, and Aaron Mate. Saagar Enjeti is really good too. Krystal Ball is pretty good, and fun to look at.  The Hill Rising puts on an interesting show. 

I still have not seen Tucker Carlson's three-part series on 1.6, so I am withholding judgement. It is getting the Oliver Stone treatment, so it may be worth watching...

10 hours ago, Richard Price said:

Ben, I would take it to mean that she was working the 3pm to ? shift.  You do realize none of the police were on a 24 hour shift don't you?

Yes. 

On the other hand, I would expect the vast bulk of the 3,600-officer Capitol Police department to be on duty on Jan. 6--and especially the commander of the civil disturbance unit.

(Not that I would want anyone to...oh, you know, do anything extreme like show up outside of their scheduled shift.) 

The WaPo has been shrieking for months about the tsunami of evidence that trouble was brewing on Jan. 6.  Why, WaPo says federal authorities must censor Facebook, so aboveground and obvious was the planning for the Jan. 6 "insurrection."  

So Jan 6 comes...and the Capitol Police had 10 officers on some entrances to the Capitol (by WaPo reporting).  Commanders were making meatloaf in Maryland suburbs on the afternoon of Jan. 6! (And that is by softball WaPo reporting, which has routinely demonized police officers nationwide, but now is lionizing the Capitol officers.)

Egads. And where were the 2,300 officers of the DC Metropolitan police? They get a pass too. 

So...(again by WaPo reporting) phone calls were made to suburban police districts, and the FBI, and they sent some guys down and moved the crowd out the Capitol onto the lawns, an arrested everybody. 

The national insurrection was thus bravely quelled. 

Well, interesting story. 

BTW, I think the 'Phants are just as awful as the Donks.

But as of now, the Donks-Deep State-M$M are aligned, while the 'Phants seem to have the WSJ and not much more. 

Another oddity: No one at WaPo seems to have been at the Capitol on Jan. 6. I keep reading, but not coming across first-person accounts by a WaPo reporter. Maybe I missed it, and I have not read the whole piece. 

Reminds me of M$M post-JFKA narratives.

That is one reason to study the JFKA---to learn how to look for political or authoritarian narratives, as opposed to journalism. 

From the WaPo report on 1.6:

"About 1:30 p.m., Capt. Carneysha Mendoza, a 19-year veteran of the Capitol Police, was at home in suburban Maryland. She had just pulled meatloaf from the oven and sat down with her 10-year-old son, Christian, before he was to spend the rest of the day with babysitters. The commander for a Capitol Police civil disturbance unit, Mendoza was about to head into work for her shift in the Capitol starting at 3 p.m."

Really.

On the afternoon of 1.6, the commander of Capitol Police civil disturbance unit was at home making meatloaf.  In suburban Maryland. Planned to go into work at 3 pm. 

Reminder: The 3,600-officer Capitol Police department reports to the legislative Donk-controlled branch, not to the executive branch. 

Vince Palamara has reported here recently that rooftops were guarded in many cities JFK visited...but not Dallas. Some take that as a sign protection was limited in Dallas, by design. 

When the commander at the Capitol Police department civil disturbance unit is home cooking on 1.6....what to take away from that? 

About 1:30 p.murban Maryland. She had just pulled meatloaf from the oven and sat down with her 10-year-old son, Christian, before he was to spend the rest of the day with babysitters. The commander for a Capitol Police civil disturbance unit, Mendoza was about to head into work for her shift in the Capitol starting at 3 p.m.

9 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

A review of Patriot Purge in the The Atlantic today...

Tucker Carlson Is Stirring Up Hatred of America
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/patriot-purge-tucker-carlson-documentary/620589/

November 3, 2021

Excerpt

      ..."To comprehend the full scope of the conspiracy, viewers will have to watch all three episodes. But even in the first episode, the goals of this project are already clear. The point is to describe the events of January 6 as a false-flag operation cooked up inside the deepest layers of the American deep state—and thus to cast doubt on everything that will come out of Congress’s January 6 hearings, everything revealed by every Washington Post or network-television investigation, everything turned up by the FBI. For Fox viewers, this will come as an enormous relief. If all the disturbing facts can be ignored, then no lessons need be learned. Republicans in Congress and the Trump White House need never be blamed for their assault on the Constitution. The people who supported them need never question that support."

 

W.-

I keep saying to Tucker Carlson and to The Atlantic, and the rest of M$M: Show some primary evidence, some e-mails, texts or recorded phone calls proving out your case. 

I have not seen Carlson's show yet. If he has proof that federal agitators caused the 1.6 scrum, I would like to see it.

Ditto, if the The Atlantic has proof of Trump Administration officials covertly instigating the occupation of the Capitol, such as texts or recorded phone conversations, then bring it on. 

Glenn Greenwald is airing programs worth watching and you can see them on Youtube (at least for now, until they get banned too).

On 11/2/2021 at 1:58 AM, James DiEugenio said:

Alecia Long is a history professor at LSU. She obviously knows how to play the game of academia on the JFK case.  She is the soul sister of Fred Litwin. They both thought that Oliver's upcoming documentary would be about my book on New Orleans.  Its not. He only used the title for the long version. So her and Fred both came out with these hatchet jobs in advance.

As I note, with Long, the material she leaves out would make a much better book than what is in there. Both writers have an aversion to what the ARRB revealed about New Orleans. Which leaves them wide open to what I do below.  BTW, Paul Hoch thought this was a really good book.

 

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/alecia-long-lays-an-egg

Yes, it is "woke" to bash Jim Garrison as a repressed homophobe, and thus the JFKA  was as the Warren Commission said. 

Long's book is beneath contempt. James DiEugenio is made of stronger stuff than I if he can read this M$M tripe without first downing a quart of gin. 

Garrison was onto something, he knew it, and he couldn't let go. 

Decades later, someone is still paying money (to Long in this case) to destroy Jim Garrison. 

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

I think you are reaching, and making a few assumptions along the way that are incorrect. If 600 people were eventually arrested that doesn’t mean that was the sum total. You keep repeating that number as if it indicates the press that filmed it purposely exaggerated the numbers. You view the national security state and media as a monolith. Why? Are there not any number of journalists and Congresspeople that don’t fit that mold? I have only watched a tiny amount of coverage, but when I do I’m struck with how much fear there was inside, and among the DC cops who stayed and tried to protect Congress. Trump has moved with his lawyers to block his communications, so how can you assert there was no planning beforehand? It seems obvious that there was. 

 

 

Paul--

Fair questions. 

Unfortunately, yes, I find M$M and the Deep State-national security state increasingly monolithic.  

What we saw for 50 years after the JFKA...is now the norm, but on steroids, regarding any news event. The narrative is what matters, not the facts.  

There are some rare exceptions in journalism, but not in the M$M, such as Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald and Aaron Mate, and, of course, Oliver Stone.

On occasion, M$M'er Tucker Carlson takes a potshot at the national security state, but no real reporting.  

Yes, there was a larger crowd than 600 outside the Capitol on 1.6, and those that remained outside the Capitol were exercising their right to protest, and that is fine.  I hope you accept the right of people to protest.

Those that entered the Capitol were breaking the law, and should have been arrested and were. 

The 600 who entered the Capitol might be suspected of trying to foment an insurrection, however meager the chances were that the vast apparatus of the federal government would go along with their lunatic plan. 

So...the national security state can seize all texts, e-mails and phone records of anybody they want to, and have proven as much by seizing texts of people inside the Capitol sent out on 1.6 (with full and immediate cooperation of the people who run our communication networks). 

There is no evidence anyone inside the Capitol was operating on instructions from anyone inside the Trump Administration. No texts, no e-mails, no phone records. 

On the other hand, AG Merrick Garland has refused to answer questions on how many federal agents were in the scrum on 1.6. 

I would say based on the above, the 1.6 event was a nothingburger. There is "no there there," based on the people arrested inside the Capitol. 

OK, you have suspicions, and I have suspicions. 

Our suspicions are...well, only suspicions 

4 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Kirk - good post. I have little hope that Congress will get tough. We are currently learning that Trump and his people were in cahoots with the insurrectionists, after months of hearings, ignored subpoenas and the like. But wait - didn’t we know that within a few days of Jan 6th? Sadly it seems that they don’t have the stomach to fight back, even with the law on their side. Garland could order Bannon’s arrest. Will he? If not, why not? And what would have come of it had Bannon obeyed the subpoena? Nothing. The people, us, have pretty much given up on mass demonstrations. We prefer petitions and wishful thinking. We can’t even protect our elections. And we ‘liberals’ are being divided against ourselves with cancel culture, wokeness, cultural appropriation, Critical Race Theory. It’s a slow moving but well conceived coup, one that began in the 1960’s and really got going in the late 1970’s.

Paul-

What evidence do you have that the 600 occupants of the Capitol on Jan. 6 were taking instructions from Trump Administration officials or employees? 

Are there any texts, e-mails or phone calls indicating such?

Any primary evidence? 

Remember, the modern-day national security state is a panopticon. They have all your e-mails, texts and phone calls, and mine too. And of anyone reading this. 

Yet...not one arrestee charged with cooperating or conspiring with the Trump Administration! 

Not one! 

Why is that?

Could it be a total lack of evidence? 

7 hours ago, Andrew Prutsok said:

Do you know how many people were charged with treason after the Civil War?

Yes, but President Abraham Lincoln wanted to bind wounds, not put salt on them.  With horrendous carnage everywhere, it was probably the right decision. 

In contrast today....

We know what actors within federal government think about the 600 people arrested in the Capitol occupation. The occupants are deeply unpopular with the DC establishment. 

We know the national security state has access to all texts and e-mails, phone calls---a panopticon.  

But not one Capitol event arrestee has been charged with conspiring with Trump Administration officials or employees. 

So...where are the connections between the 600 lulus in the Capitol, and the Trump Administration? 

Can you cite a single text, e-mail or phone call? Any primary evidence? 

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

Your first sentence kind of stuns me.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

These are cases against the 600 people arrested either for being inside or near the Capitol building on 1.6. 

If the federal government wants to charge any of these people with with conspiracy, that is, conspiring with Trump Administration officials, they can. 

So...where are the charges? 

Moreover, accusations and charges are not the same as guilt.

I prefer the standard "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law." 

8 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

 

Ben,

      Here's the latest (archived) WaPo "1.6.21 narrative" about Trump's deliberate inaction during the protracted, violent attack on the Capitol by his fired up supporters.*  October 31, 2021.  No paywall.

      Congressman Mo Brooks told the mob to, "Go down to the Capitol and kick some ass!"  

      Frankly, you can't "both sides" this one.  I don't see anything at all here about Donks-- just 'Phants...  🤥 

      Not sure what Rupert Murdoch and his employees, Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson, will have to say about this damning evidence, but I'm guessing that they'll say as little as possible.

     And I'm still waiting for you (and Tucker Carlson) to answer to my old question.   How could the failure of Christopher Wray's FBI to help prepare heightened Capitol security on 1/6 have conceivably benefited anyone but Donald Trump?  Please explain.

      Let's recall that Wray was Trump's own choice to run the FBI, after he fired both James Comey and Andrew McCabe for refusing to abort the FBI investigation of Michael Flynn's December 2016 phone calls with Sergei Lavrov.

*  https://archive.ph/9btTd#selection-495.0-503.65

Bloodshed

For 187 harrowing minutes, the president watched his
supporters attack the Capitol — and resisted pleas to stop them.

Bloodshed

For 187 harrowing minutes, the president watched his
supporters attack the Capitol — and resisted pleas to stop them.

     

W.--

I just do not see any connections between the 600-odd people arrested for being inside the Capitol and the Trump Administration. 

Those arrested appear to be lulus, largely.

This I get from reading primary materials and arrest reports, and prosecutions, and real-time texts and NOT reading M$M, including that fount of disinformation (see the JFKA) the WaPo. 

Not one arrestee has said they were taking covert orders from anyone in the Trump Administration. 

Some arrestees have pled they took encouragement from statements made in public by President Trump. But Trump also advised people to protest peacefully on Jan. 6. 

On the other hand, there is mounting evidence there were many, many federal infiltrators in Oathkeepers, the Patriot Boys and in the "Wolverine Watchman," the group that plotted (we are told by federal informants and assets, who were the majority of the group) to kidnap Governor Whitmer and "storm the (Michigan) Capitol."  That rhymes, no? 

Have you some primary-material type evidence of covert instructions between the 600 arrestees and Trump? 

I am open to read any and all primary materials. 

In terms of PR, 1.6.21 was a huge coup for the Deep State-media blob, much like 9.11.

Trump was the loser from 1.6.

I cry not for the detestable Trump, but that the M$M is so deeply corrupted by the national security-Deep State.

Remember, Brian Sicknick was bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher and murdered by racist Trump supporters, who were also heavily armed. 

(Actually, only one of those arrested on 1.6 carried a firearm...and who mysteriously was released on his own recognizance on 1.7, and prosecution against him appears to have been stopped or seriously stalled. That is Christopher Alberts.  Read the primary materials and please explain this situation to me. A federal plant? 

However, I will read the archived copy you suggest, and keep an open mind...as I recommend to all. 

And I recommend reading primary materials, rather than press accounts. Think about the JFKA---would you read primary materials or watch the CBS Special for info? 

9 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

There's an easier way through this.

It's called transparency.

That appears to be a huge problem with a certain individual/s who uses the same M.O. for all the sh__t they don't want revealed.

Does the fight for the release of income taxes sound familiar?

https://mynorthwest.com/3192674/trump-files-lawsuit-to-block-release-of-jan-6-documents/

I'm quite sure that clown believes if he can delay it long enough, he'll be back in the presidency again and the 1-6 events- insurrection investigation will miraculously disappear.

 

 

 

I dearly hope the GOP finds a candidate with some of Trump's virtues---his takes on China, "free trade" and illegal immigration control---but minus Trump's awful personality and character. 

BTW, in the US they keep talking about "labor shortages"---a wonderful thing for anyone who works for a living. It's a positive, not a negative, for 90% of the workforce. 

Under Biden, illegal immigration has soared. Keep in mind, the most aggressive immigrationists in US history were...the slavers. 

That's the new Donk Party. Tight with Silicon Valley, the globalists, the national security-Deep State, Wall Street and media.  They want more cheap labor in the US. 

It is possible to have three truths: Trump was a bad president, the Donks and 'Phants are completely corrupted by money, and the 1.6.21 narrative is hyperbole on steroids shot to the moon.  

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Knowingly denying the fact that an act of insurrection is in fact such, is that not insurrection itself? 

11.22.63 was an insurrection, but the M$M said it was a lone nut.

1.6.21 was some nuts, but the M$M said it was an insurrection. 

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

What’s your theory?

Paul-

Hello. I guess you mean me. 

To soon to tell.  Keep in mind that WaPo is deeply embedded into the Deep State and the Donk Party. And the GOP is no better. 

1. Theory No 1: Just a scrum, got out of hand. Capitol Police, Metro Police, and National Guard, despite huge forces, just bady, badly bungled the response, and seemed to stand down. Some Trumpers may have made phone calls or had meetings, but so what. You are talking about 600 lulus in the Capitol. This was a takeover of the federal government? Within hours the occupiers are moved to the Capitol lawn and arrested. In real life, a nothingburger.

But great narratives for the Deep State to promulgate---remember, always be afraid of domestic subversives and foreign invaders-interlopers.

The FBI says they have uncovered no plots. The NYT says embedded assets say there were no plots. So where are the plots? 

Theory No. 2. The reason the FBI nows says it uncovered no plots is because federal assets were the prime movers behind the small number of semi-organized groups that did show up--Oathkeepers and Patriot Boys, in particular. It was federal instigators that prompted the occupation of the Capitol, as they had tried to do with the Michigan Capitol. A replay of the Governor Whitmer kidnap narrative.  This follows the same pattern as FBI assets arresting halfwit Muslims in plots fabricated by the FBI, and saying they were terrorists. 

3. Some Trumpers may have been stupid enough to think they could somehow halt the election and transfer of power to the Donks. They tried various ineffectual machinations, but if they though a bunch of halfwits inside the Capitol would do the trick...they were pretty deluded.

In any event, no one arrested at the Capitol yet has said they were taking covert instructions from the Trump camp. Not one shred of evidence in that regard.

Some occupiers say they interpreted Trump's speech as encouragement to occupy the Capitol--but not one person has said, "Yeah, I took orders from Bannon, and he said mass at the East gate. Check my phone if you don't believe me."  Not one. So...where is the plot, the conspiracy? 

Of course, a mix is possible---some Trumpers may have egged on some in the scrum (no evidence so far), while FBI assets were doing the same (some evidence so far). 

I still puzzle how 6,000 armed and trained police could not prevent 600 lulus from occupying the Capitol, many of whom texted they "were let in" in real time.

My best guess is Jan. 6 is a nothingburger, but a great PR narrative. 

Side note: The WaPo says they have devoted 75---75!---reporters to the Jan. 6 story. 

When Jefferson Morley worked at the WaPo, he told his editors he would like to look into the JFKA as part of his beat. They told him no.

So...the WaPo put 75 reporters onto Jan. 6 narrative, and never even one onto the JFKA story. 

But hey, the WaPo is woke. 

The Jan. 6 story belongs in National Aquarium, or a Star Kist tuna plant. Fishy. 

OK, I doubt anyone will change their minds ever on anything, but this discussion may be a good balance for many. The first 20 minutes can be skimmed over, and the discussion bogs down here or there but still well worth listening to. 

I did not realize, for example, that the majority of the Governor Whitmer plotters were actually federal assets, and that plans had been hatched to "storm the Michigan capitol." 

That rhymes, no?

It appears likely Stewart Rhodes, top man at the Oathkeepers is a federal asset, while the Afro-Cubano leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, has been a federal asset in the past, and may still be. 

Then as heavily infiltrated groups appeared at the Capitol, a few scrums at the gates...and the police melt away. 

Mr. Buffalo Horns, the penniless Phoenix gadfly who entered the Capitol after defenses had been abandoned, is arrested and put in prison ever since...but Stewart Rhodes has never even been charged, despite the fact that when the federal government charges other Oathkeepers, they cite Rhodes-authored literature as good reason for prosecution. 

This Jan. 6 story is not a story, it is a narrative. The narrative is getting fishier and fishier, and I smell a rat. 

8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Carlson?  Sounds like you've drank the koolaid.

Or coffee. 

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ben,

     False equivalence.

     The JFK assassination and 9/11 were black ops (and psy ops.)  January 6th was a ghastly Trump coup attempt.

     We now know for a fact that Trump and his advisors (including John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani, and Steve Bannon) were attempting to block the certification of the election results.  Eastman had mapped out a strategy to steal the election, and blamed Mike Pence for the failure of the plot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eastman-pence-email-riot-trump/2021/10/29/59373016-38c1-11ec-91dc-551d44733e2d_story.html

     We also know that Donald Trump, and some Republicans in Congress, actively mobilized their supporters to attack  the U.S. Congress on January 6th. 

     Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colorado) was texting Pelosi's location during the mob attack.

     Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Alabama) wore body armor to the Capitol on January 6th, and gave a fiery speech urging the Trump mob to, "Go down to the Capitol and kick some ass!"

     That's not a "false flag."  The people in the mob who assaulted the Capitol Police and desecrated the Capitol were Trump supporters, acting on directives from Trump and his Republican accomplices.  They weren't flying any "false flags."  They were flying Trump flags, Gadsen flags, and Confederate flags.

W.--

Even if what you say here is true...it does not rule out the possibility, now looking like a probability, that federal plants, instigators or provocateurs were in the scrum on Jan. 6.

Nor are there answers to who enabled some participants to get to Washington ---who gave Mr Buffalo Horns the $500 to go to DC?

And why is Mr. Buffalo Horns still in prison while other individuals, seen in videos exhorting participants to enter the Capitol...are not even prosecuted? 

Also...why did the Capitol Police abandon their posts? Most protestors inside the Capitol say they were let in, and texted in real time that they entered the Capitol unmolested. That is primary evidence, not M$M narrative. 

You leave unanswered how the Capitol Police, and the Metropolitan Police, with 6,000 armed and trained officers, could not prevent an occupation of the Capitol by 600 unarmed, untrained protestors. Both those departments report to Donks. There were even several hundred National Guard already on DC streets on Jan. 6.

As my late great Uncle Jerry used to say, "This story gets fishier and fishier, and I smell a rat." 

This 1/6 M$M scaremongering is looking like another Russiagate hoax. 

Remember, the Deep State went after Julian Assange...and Carter Page. 

Trump is a buffoon. But that does not change the nature of the M$M and its lapdog Deep State narratives. 

You might watch Carlson's presentation first before dismissing it.

People treated Oliver Stone's movies the same way. Denigrate and dismiss even before even viewing. 

8 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Geez... Patriot Purge-- just in time for Halloween... 🤥

Apparently Tucker Carlson and Rupert Murdoch's Ministry of Trumpaganda intend to broadcast their new "documentary" blaming Trump's January 6th Reichstag fire on the opposition.

W.--The official-M$M versions of the 9/11 event or the JFKA...are not believable. 

Now, we have 1/6. 

I applaud those who seek alternative explanations of events, when there is so much power and overt bias going into constructing official-M$M narratives on 1/6. 

Also, I assume whatever Liz Cheney says is not the truth.  

Keep an open mind. Perhaps Carlson's narrative will be biased. Perhaps, like many JFKA alternative narratives, it will get some things right and some things wrong. Or, perhaps it will be fairly accurate.

I will wait to watch Carlson's narrative before drawing any conclusions. And even then, drawing conclusions when the news environment is totally poisoned by M$M is a bit of a mug's game. 

12 minutes ago, David Boylan said:

Ron,

I'm also easily confused. 🙂 You're not alone.

Confusion is my default state.

Although, to quote my late, great Uncle Jerry: "If you are not confused, then maybe you don't understand the situation." 

Egads. Funny how the breaks are always against Oliver Stone and his vital, insightful work on JFK. 

8 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Ben:Yes, the real-time observations of "nobodies" carry more weight with me than synthetic M$M news. 

Synthetic M$M news?, Believe your eyes. It's called live film.

Ben:and only one protestor carried a firearm

 

But they  searched practically no one. Oh, Ok, I know what you're thinking Ben.  In America firearms are everywhere!. But  people can actually conceal firearms so no one can see them. 

Ben. I already obliterated your argument on that one, with your own arrest records, that you didn't look at in any detail. There was almost nobody arrested at the Capitol, except the most foolhardy. The vast majority of them were arrested days, months later from photo evidence,  their own tweets, postings. other witnesses and being turned in by associates and family.

 

You know, as I've said before. I think when people are  good at predicting the future, it's usually because they have a very good grasp on the present. My experience has been when you're not relentlessly driving home stuff we already know, you haven't been right about anything yet. Which is not to say, you couldn't be in the future, I suppose. But I'm sure, like fellow Libertarian, Barry Goldwater,  in your heart, you will always be right!

heh heh

 

But it is true,  you did get me thinking about one thing. If I was to go off to Thailand,it would be in part to get some peace of mind from this contentious, everyday American life, but then.... I'm an American.

But then you made me realize, if you're from any other country than America  and you leave that country for any other country than America.

Then....what else is there to think about, but America. Right Ben?

 

I'm sure no one will accuse you of being a Buddhist!

 

P.S. And about your brethren, your quotee Thomas Massey, whom I'm sure, as always  you thoroughly researched, and probably empathize with. He's sort of a pariah in Congress. He was the guy who called everybody in Congress to come back from their home states to get a quorum on the voting of the coronavirus relief package in Spring 2020. He did this so every member of Congress would have to publicly go on the record with their vote, because he was concerned that some Republicans like him, would lie about it later.  Which  on the surface could sound like a good thing. But the vote  turned out, like everything else to be almost straight down party lines anyway, so the net effect was that nobody later lied about their vote. He ended up just pissing off every other Congressman in both parties, and rendered himself completely ineffectual to the point that he'll forever be forced to follow because no one will work with him.

Finger on the Pulse, Good show Thomas!

 

Kirk--

I am curious about one aspect of your post.

Why did you switch typefaces half-way through? 

35 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

      Apparently, Tucker Carlson is planning to televise a new Fox documentary claiming that the January 6th attack on the U.S. Congress was some kind of Deep State false flag.

      But, as I asked Benjamin Cole in one of our old discussions on this very subject, cui bono?

      How did the January 6th attack on Congress, and the obvious security lapses, conceivably benefit anyone but Donald Trump and his Willard Hotel associates?

      I raised the question earlier about the FBI, apparently, having informants in the ranks of the Proud Boys and Roger Stone's Oath Keepers-- If the FBI had foreknowledge of the planned attack, why did their intelligence not result in heightened security to protect Congress and the election certification process?

    If anything, the implication is that the FBI was complicit in Trump's coup attempt.  Either that or FBI warnings were deliberately ignored by individuals in charge of Congressional security.

W.--

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/sep/26/fbi-mole-in-crowd-on-jan-6-files-show/

The NYT (see article above, which is NYT copy run by the Arkansas paper, but not behind a paywall) has already run stories to the effect that FBI informants/plants/assets informed the FBI that the right-wing groups had no plans to occupy the Capitol building. 

The Jan. 6 scrum was evidently spontaneous, or instigated by someone outside of the heavily infiltrated right-wing groups (indeed the Proud Boys leader has been an FBI informant and may still be). 

It could be federal assets instigated the Jan. 6 scrum. 

Yes, to your question, the Jan. 6 scrum has become a major PR victory for establishment Donks and 'Phants, and the fear-mongering Deep State.

Most of the public believes heavily armed rioters, who were white racist Trump supporters, sacked the Capitol and murdered Brian Sicknick, and planned a takeover of the entire federal government.  

Interesting parallel:

Tucker Carlson plans a special on the Jan. 6 scrum.

Establishment types are already calling for Tucker's special to not be broadcast or to be censored, or are denigrating and ridiculing the special before it has even aired.

This is what happened to Oliver Stone's "JFK" movie also, as well documented by James DiEugenio. 

I can tell you from reading primary materials, that people who occupied the Capitol texted in real time they were let in, as confirmed by their arrest reports. 

Curiously, the one fellow who was arrested carrying a firearm on Capitol grounds, Christopher Alberts, has disappeared off the map. This is what the feds say about Alberts now: 

"Status conference set for 9/8/21. Defendant remains free on personal recognizance."

That's it on Alberts. No word on what happened in the status conference. 

Another fellow, named Ray Epps, is in several videos exhorting protestors to enter the Capitol. He was on a most-wanted poster for a while, but then the federal government has lost interest in him. 

Meanwhile...Mr. Buffalo Horns, aka Jacob Angeli, aka Jacob Anthony, the Phoenix gadfly who merely stood inside the Capitol but became iconic, is still in prison.

"Plea agreement entered 9/3. Sentencing set for 11/17 at 10 am."

Add on: Neocon murderess Liz Cheney says Tucker's show---which again, has not even aired yet---is "lies."

Liz Cheney? Cheney is so, so concerned with the truth? 

You can't go wrong if you assume Cheney is lying, and proceed from that premise....

The "name tag" comment does seem funny, but perhaps it is referring to a caption on a photo (spoken language sometimes hops back and forth among topics).

Or maybe to the name "Oswald" in hand-drawn black ink on a helmet to indicate ownership, bunk rights, etc.