5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Johnny Cairns is one of our most important contributors.

First his six part series, then his commentary on Ruth Paine and Thomas Mallon and now his expose of the latest MSM  attempt to revive the Warren Commission.

They never stop do they. 

Thanks Johnny.

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/deanne-stillman-s-american-confidential-exposed

 

 

Nothing is certain except death, taxes, and that the legacy-establishment media, or other CIA plants, will savage anyone who thinks elements of the US security state were involved in the JFKA, whether they be candidates, or media figures.

And illegally suppressing the JFK Records is never a news story. 

15 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

If you'd listen to Steven Sund's story I think you would understand why he didn't believe the resignations of the Sergeants at Arms would address the problems he experienced before and after J6. You would also understand why I hold the view about it that I do, despite the fact that I am at the entire opposite end of the political spectrum as MAGAs (in 1980 I was what was at the time considered to be a traditional pro-free speech, anti-war Democrat; but the Democratic party started leaving me about the time Bill Clinton was elected [See "How The Democratic Party BETRAYED Workers & Its Base - THOMAS FRANK Interview Part 1"   https://youtu.be/M9u2aR19P3g?si=cYF0iczRfisPj9LE ]) :

 

 

KE--

Keep on truckin'.

The Capitol Police acted so oddly on Jan. 6...it reminds one of the Watergate burglars...could anyone truly be so heroically incompetent? This makes Keystone Kops look deft and valiant. 

If awards were handed for bungling, rather than valor...or was this an intentional flop on the part of the Capitol Police? 

----

"Despite employing 1,879 sworn officers as of September 2020, a congressional inquiry forced USCP to admit that on January 6th, only 195 officers were deployed to interior or exterior posts at the U.S. Capitol and 276 more were assigned to the Department’s seven civil disturbance unit platoons."

"USCP documents show that at 2pm on that day, only 1,214 officers were “on site” across the Capitol complex of buildings [there are other large buildings, such as Russell or Longworth, in addition to the Capitol]. Congressional investigators concluded, however, that USCP could only account for 417 officers and could not account for the whereabouts of the remaining 797 officers."

The head of Civil Disturbance Unit (CDU, aka riot squads) was at home making meatloaf during the Jan. 6 scrum, according to the WaPo. 

https://www.rules.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Jan 6 HSGAC Rules Report.pdf

And that is how Mr. Buffalo Horns breached the Capitol, entered the Senate chambers, and then was sentenced to prison for 41 months. 

From WaPo:

"About 1:30 p.m., Capt. Carneysha Mendoza, a 19-year veteran of the Capitol Police, was at home in suburban Maryland. She had just pulled meatloaf from the oven and sat down with her 10-year-old son, Christian, before he was to spend the rest of the day with babysitters. The commander for a Capitol Police civil disturbance unit, Mendoza was about to head into work for her shift in the Capitol starting at 3 p.m.

But sitting at the table, Mendoza’s phone rang. It was a fellow captain. Things were bad. A few minutes later, another call: “You better come in.” Mendoza left in her workout clothes and started driving up Pennsylvania Avenue."

---30---

https://archive.is/xlwyj#selection-4283.0-4313.226

The Commander of the Capitol Police civil disturbance unit (CDU) was at home making meatloaf when the Jan. 6 scrum broke out? 

The one time in decades when the commander of the CDU absolutely had to be on duty? 

Nevertheless, the WaPo lionized Commander Mendoza for "battling"  rioters that day. 

So it goes. 

4 hours ago, Lori Spencer said:

Watch this Maverick News special presentation marking the 55th anniversary of Sirhan’s murder trial. 
 

We welcome back as our guest once again the always interesting author/assassination historian Jim DiEugenio! 
 

Tune in at 9 PM Eastern! 
 

 

Lori Spencer--

Thanks for posting. 

We spend a lot of time on the JFKA, and the RFKA, just as compelling in its own way, deserves more attention. 

More from Pat Speer's excellent website:

And internal FBI memo regarding paraffin casts...

"He (Guinn, running tests on paraffin casts) advised that there appears that triple firing of this rifle will leave unambiguous positive tests every time on the paraffin casts. It further appears that washing the casts with diphenylbenzidine does remove one of the characteristic elements (barium) but such washings do not remove all of the other characteristic element in powder residues (antimony). Further be advised that the tests to date indicate that powder residues are deposited on both cheeks of the shooter after the rifle is fired either one time or three times. It appears, he added, that these results can be obtained even if the paraffin casts are made 2 1/2 hours after shooting the rifle providing that the skin of the shooter has not been washed in the meantime.

Really. 

This is not adding up for "LHO is proved innocent." 

1. The paraffin cast was placed on LHO's cheek more than eight hours after the JFKA, not 2 1/2 hours. This memo seems to suggest some sort of time limit at two to three hours.

2. "providing that the skin of the shooter has not been washed."  LHO may have washed his face at his rooming house, or the Texas Theater. He also may have perspired, which is also known to remove GSRs. 

3. LHO may have fired only once on 11/22, not three times. I suspect this, as most earwitnesses descrive the first shot as different in pitch and volume from the succeeding shot. 

18 minutes ago, Keven Hofeling said:

Purely evidence based. Didn't you listen to the testimony of the Ex-Chief of Capital Police? It's not possible to understand evidence-based people if you confine yourself to labels and headlines. If you'd have made it past the first headline you would have seen my take on Trump's illegal false elector conspiracy. The world is not black and white the way it looks through those partisan political lenses...

https://sashastone.substack.com/p/how-i-knew-the-democrats-and-the

Interesting take on Jan. 6. Written one year ago. 

Sasha Stone predicted they would take down Carlson...and they did. She did not mention JFKA, though. My guess is Carlson's JFKA-CIA coverage was a part of what did him in.

I don't really know much about Sasha Stone, but she got 350 comments on this story. I guess she is in that group of people considered "social media influencers." 

3 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

Matt Taibbi: Intel Blob COOKED THE BOOKS In 2016 Probe; Russians Wanted HILLARY, Not Trump

The Hill | Feb 27, 2024 | https://youtu.be/uHt5ZF9i8qg?si=QJq6UFASWVWIgG1w

 

Keven H.--

I have really enjoyed Matt Taibbi's reporting for the last many years. 

He really avoids the bandwagons, having cleansed himself of party affiliations, and then also ideological/clique affiliations, in recent years. 

He has also avoided the creepy tendency of certain alt-left elements to valorize terrorists, or present Putin as the good guy. Nor does Taibbi demonize Christians, or any particular racial group. 

For me, Taibbi is just about the last man standing in DC. I may not agree with him on everything, but I think he remains earnest, unaffiliated, and avoids intellectual fads.

IMHO, Taibbi's takes on Russiagate and Jan. 6 are about as good as one is going to get. 

12 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

Good information in these videos, although it was disconcerting to see right wing political prostitute Dinesh D'Souza (who I can't stand) in the second one.

I'm convinced that there was a massive FBI cointelpro operation in play for the events of J6 at the U.S. Capital, and find the testimony of former US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund very compelling in this regard. 

"A leaked interview between ex-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund and former Fox News host Tucker Carlson revealed that Sund believed officials were aware of the January 6 U.S. Capitol insurrection before it happened and covered it up....

...The actions, or lack thereof, taken by the government leading up to the January 6, 2021, riot led Sund to believe that intelligence officials in power were aware of the attack in advance and covered it up by failing to disseminate the information to those who needed it. After facing mounting pressure from Congress and the union representing the Capitol Police, Sund resigned from his position shortly after the riot.

"If I was allowed to do my job as a chief, we wouldn't be here," Sund said in the interview with Carlson. "This didn't have to happen. Everything appears to be a cover-up."

However, Carlson's interview with Sund never aired. Newsweek reached out to Fox News by email for comment.

In the leaked footage, Sund goes on to say that he's "not a conspiracy theorist" but said it was concerning the way the January 6 attack played out. Sund explained that he was denied National Guard service in advance of the attack and was denied access to National Guard troops for 71 minutes during the attack.

"You're in a fight, a fight for a couple of minutes wears you out," he said. "Let me tell you, it wears you out."

Sund made the request for National Guard troops at approximately 1 p.m. on January 6. However, he did not hear back until 71 minutes later. It took more than three hours after Sund's request for 1,100 National Guard soldiers to be mobilized, according to a report by NPR.

Trump allegedly made zero effort to deploy the National Guard and instead spoke at a rally in Washington, D.C., on the day of the riot. Vice President Mike Pence was the one who attempted to order deployment of the National Guard troops, according to a report by the Military Times.

Sund criticized government officials for not delivering intelligence on the attack to the people who needed it. He believed that the officials knew in advance that the riot would happen. Weeks before the attack, Trump mentioned a protest occurring on January 6, 2021, that would be "wild"...."

Ex-Capitol Police Chief Sounds Alarm That Jan. 6 Was 'Cover-Up'
By Anna Skinner | Newsweek | Published Aug 03, 2023 at 1:16 PM EDT | https://www.newsweek.com/ex-capitol-police-chief-sounds-alarm-jan-6-cover-1817365

Tucker Carlson conducted a second interview of ex-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund which was published on August 10, 2023, and Sund convincingly made the case that there was a massive conspiracy calculated to deny his ability to adequately defend the Capital both in advance and during the riot:

Tucker Interviews Former Capitol Police Chief About What REALLY Happened On January 6th

TheDC Shorts | Aug 10, 2023 | https://youtu.be/W9R9oysRLK4?si=JR4JZhgu1zSnvBGc

Tucker interviewed the former Capitol police chief about what really happened on January 6th

 

However, I don't agree with Donald Trump's apparent position that the FBI cointelpro operation justifies the J6 riot (though I do think attorneys for the rioters should present evidence of entrapment, where applicable), nor that it vitiates the very real conspiracy that Trump was attempting to orchestrate that day to disrupt the electoral count in the hopes of getting the House of Representatives to decide the election and put in play the counterfeit slates of electors he had engineered to substitute for the legitimate electors. Trump should definitely be put on trial for that conspiracy. 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/28/politics/recordings-trump-team-fake-elector-ballots/index.html

Exclusive: Recordings, emails show how Trump team flew fake elector ballots to DC in final push to overturn 2020 election

   

By Marshall Cohen, Zachary Cohen, Jeremy Herb and Katelyn Polantz, CNN

 11 minute read 

Updated 4:47 PM EST, Thu December 28, 2023

 

CNN — 

Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.

So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.

The operatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files reached Washington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according to emails and recordings obtained by CNN.

The new details provide a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the chaotic last-minute effort to keep Donald Trump in office. The fake electors scheme features prominently in special counsel Jack Smith’s criminal indictment against the former president, and some of the officials who were involved have spoken to Smith’s investigators.

The emails and recordings also indicate that a top Trump campaign lawyer was part of 11th-hour discussions about delivering the fake elector certificates to Pence, potentially undercutting his testimony to the House select committee that investigated January 6 that he had passed off responsibility and didn’t want to put the former vice president in a difficult spot.

These details largely come from pro-Trump attorney Kenneth Chesebro, who was an architect of the fake electors plot and is now a key cooperator in several state probes into the scheme. Chesebro pleaded guilty in October to a felony conspiracy charge in Georgia in connection with the electors’ plan, and has met with prosecutors in Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsin, who are investigating the sham GOP electors in their own states.

Kenneth Chesebro speaks to Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee during a hearing where Chesebro accepted a plea deal from the Fulton County District Atorney at the Fulton County Courthouse October 20 in Atlanta. 

Alyssa Pointer/Getty Images

Chesebro is an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal election interference indictment against Trump.

Trump campaign lawyer ‘freaked out’ about missing elector ballots, Chesebro says

Michigan investigators ask pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro about the role of the Trump campaign in the fake electors plot. Chesebro tells them that top Trump campaign lawyers were alarmed that the sham certificates might not make it to the nation’s capital before the January 6, 2021, certification proceeding in Congress.

Source: Obtained by CNN

CNN has obtained audio of Chesebro’s recent interview with Michigan investigators, and exclusively reported earlier this month that he also told them about a December 2020 Oval Office meeting where he briefed Trump about the fake electors plan and how it ties into January 6.

An attorney for Chesebro declined to comment. A spokesman for the special counsel’s office did not reply to a request for comment for this story.

‘A high-level decision’

Emails obtained by CNN corroborate what Chesebro told Michigan prosecutors: He communicated with the top Trump campaign lawyer, Matt Morgan, and another campaign official, Mike Roman, to ferry the documents to Washington on January 5.

From there, Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and a Pennsylvania congressman assisted in the effort to get the documents into Pence’s hands.

“This is a high-level decision to get the Michigan and Wisconsin votes there,” Chesebro told Michigan prosecutors. “And they had to enlist, you know, a US senator to try to expedite it, to get it to Pence in time.”

Trump campaign considered chartering jet to fly ballots to DC, Chesebro says

Pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, an architect of the fake electors plan, tells Michigan prosecutors that top Trump campaign lawyers considered chartering a private jet to bring the fake elector ballots to the nation’s capital in time for the January 6, 2021, certification proceeding in Congress.

Source: Obtained by CNN

Chesebro also discussed the episode with Wisconsin investigators last week when he sat for an interview with the attorney general’s office as part of a separate state probe into the fake electors plot, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.

Wisconsin prosecutors asked about the episode “extensively,” the source said, noting Chesebro discussed how a Wisconsin GOP staffer flew the certificate from Milwaukee to Washington and then handed it off to Chesebro.

The firsthand account from Chesebro’s perspective helps fill in the narrative behind the effort to hand-deliver elector slates to Pence, which is vaguely referenced in Smith’s federal indictment.

Trump pleaded not guilty to the charges, which include conspiring with Chesebro and others to obstruct the January 6 certification proceeding. Before Chesebro’s guilty plea in Georgia, his attorneys reached out to Smith’s team. As of this week, he has not heard back from federal prosecutors, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.

Federal investigators have spoken with several individuals involved in the scramble with the phony elector certificates, according to a source familiar with the matter. This includes interviews with Trump staffers who were tapped to fly the papers to DC, and some fake electors who knew of the planning.

A spokesperson for the Trump campaign did not reply to a request for comment.

Asked about the episode, a spokesperson for Johnson pointed to his previous comments, where he said, “my involvement in that attempt to deliver spanned the course of a couple seconds,” and that, “in the end, those electors were not delivered.”

‘Day-by-day’ coordination

According to the recordings of Chesebro’s sit-down with Michigan prosecutors, he explained how a legal memo he wrote for Wisconsin transformed into a nationwide operation, where Trump lawyers were “day-by-day coordinating the efforts of more than a dozen people with the GOP and with the Trump campaign.”

On January 4, 2021, Morgan sent an email to Chesebro and Roman asking for confirmation that all of the Trump elector slates had been received by Congress, according to the documents obtained by CNN.

Matt Morgan participates in a news conference at the Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington, DC, in November 2020. 

Michael Reynolds/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock

Roman responded that the Michigan certificate had been mailed on December 15 but was still “in transit” at a US Postal Service facility in DC. Wisconsin’s certificate also had apparently not arrived.

Chesebro told prosecutors that Morgan was “freaked out” when the campaign realized the phony certificates from Michigan were still in the mail.

That same day, Morgan weighed in over email asking Chesebro and Roman to rethink how they would deliver the certificates to Pence.

“As I thought about this more, a courier will not be able to access the Capitol to deliver a sealed package,” Morgan wrote on January 4, according to emails obtained by CNN “You will probably need to enlist the help of a legislator who can deliver to the appropriate place(s). I strongly recommend you guys discuss a revised delivery plan with Rudy (Giuliani) to make sure this gets done the way he wants.”

‘Can we charter a flight?’

Roman was concerned the Wisconsin documents wouldn’t reach Washington in time.

“Can we charter a flight? The only available commercial from MKE (Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport) to DCA (Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport) arrives at 2130 tomorrow night,” Roman wrote to Chesebro on January 4 at 11:24 p.m.

The job of physically flying the elector documents to Washington fell to two people: A Trump campaign staffer and a Wisconsin GOP official, according to the emails and what Chesebro told prosecutors.

The Wisconsin GOP official who had that state’s elector documents landed after 10 a.m. on January 5 at Baltimore-Washington International Airport, according to the emails.

Trump campaign aide Michael Brown flew with the Michigan certificates to Washington National Airport with a scheduled arrival around 1 p.m., according to emails obtained by CNN.  A source familiar with the matter told CNN that Brown flew to DC from Atlanta, because the Trump staffers who had custody of the Michigan ballots were in Georgia for the Senate runoffs.

The campaign booked and paid for Brown’s flight on Southwest Airlines, the source said. Federal campaign finance records indicate that a pro-Trump super PAC paid the airline on the day of Brown’s flight for travel related to election “recount” efforts.

Trump Hotel meetup

The emails show that Brown and the Wisconsin GOP official were instructed to meet Chesebro at the Trump International Hotel in downtown Washington to hand off the fake elector certificates. Chesebro said in an email that he’d keep the ballots in his hotel room safe until it was time to pass them along.

Barricades outside the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC, on January 17, 2021. 

Pete Kiehart/Bloomberg/Getty Images

Wisconsin Republican Party officials were annoyed at the request to courier the fake elector certificates to Washington. “Freaking trump idiots want someone to fly original elector papers to the senate President,” a Wisconsin GOP official wrote to then-state party chairman Andrew Hitt on January 4, according to the January 6 committee report.

Hitt – who has provided information to federal investigators about the efforts to get the fake elector certificates to Washington, according to a source familiar with the matter – told the January 6 committee that the couriering ended up being overkill, because the original documents that the state party had mailed to Washington actually made it in time.

Getting the certificates inside the Capitol

The documents still had to be hand-delivered to Pence’s Senate office in the Capitol.

The electors plot – as envisioned by Chesebro and other Trump allies – was that Pence could reject Biden’s legitimate electors and recognize Trump’s “alternate electors” on January 6, while lawmakers tallied the electoral votes from each state. Per federal law, the certificates need to be physically presented on the floor of Congress during the joint session, while lawmakers tally the electoral votes.

Chesebro told investigators that Roman connected him with an aide for a Pennsylvania GOP lawmaker that he believed was Rep. Scott Perry to turn over the documents. Chesebro wasn’t certain which congressman the staffer worked for – and the January 6 report says a staffer for a different Pennsylvania Republican, Rep. Mike Kelly, helped shuttle the documents that day.

“I had the Wisconsin stuff. [Trump campaign aide] Mike Brown had the Michigan stuff. We walked to the Longworth Office Building, and the guy with Perry, or whatever his name is, and some other fellow, that were like staff members of the House, took them and said, ‘We’re going to walk them over to the Senate and give it to a Senate staffer,’” Chesebro told Michigan prosecutors, according to the audio obtained by CNN.

“I don’t know why logistically we didn’t take it directly to Johnson. But that’s how we did it,” he added.

Chesebro describes role of two GOP lawmakers in electors scheme

Pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, an architect of the fake electors plan, tells Michigan prosecutors about how Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson and Pennsylvania Rep. Scott Perry, both Republicans, helped get the fake elector ballots to the Capitol floor for the January 6, 2021, certification proceeding.

Source: Obtained by CNN

Kelly and Perry’s offices did not respond to CNN’s requests for comment.

Brown did not comment for this story. CNN previously reported that he testified in June to Smith’s grand jury in the Trump election subversion probe.

CNN previously reported that Roman sat for a proffer interview with Smith’s team before Trump was indicted.  He was also indicted in the sweeping Georgia election racketeering case, in connection with the fake electors scheme, and has pleaded not guilty.

Roman’s attorney did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

The details from Chesebro put a finer point on how members of Congress, including a sitting US senator, were involved in making sure the electoral certificates for Trump ended up in Pence’s hands.

The January 6 committee first revealed last year Johnson’s involvement in trying unsuccessfully to deliver the fake elector certificates to Pence, who announced on the morning of the joint session that it would be unconstitutional to do what Trump wanted and unilaterally overturn the election results.

The committee revealed text messages during their hearings last year that Johnson aide Sean Riley sent to Pence aide Chris Hodgson, saying that Johnson “needs to hand something to VPOTUS please advise.”

“What is it?” Hodgson asked.

“Alternate slates of electors for MI and WI because archivist didn’t receive them,” Riley responded.

“Do not give that to him,” Hodgson said.

‘F**k these guys’

In his Michigan interview, Chesebro also dished on some of the internal disagreements among the Trump lawyers, campaign officials and other allies, who clashed over the purpose of the electors’ plan and how far to take things on January 6.

Chesebro has maintained – then, and now – that the plan was a lawful move to preserve Trump’s legal rights.

Even before the Trump electors met in their state capitals on December 14, 2020, to cast their fake ballots and sign the certificates, Chesebro heard about concerns from some of the electors about possible legal jeopardy, according to emails and text messages reported by the Detroit News and obtained by CNN.

Chesebro added hedging language for the faux certificates from Pennsylvania and New Mexico in response to those concerns. He proposed to Roman and Morgan that they add the contingency caveats to the paperwork for all seven states in the plan. But Roman rejected the idea, according to the emails.

“F**k these guys,” Roman texted Chesebro on December 12, 2020.

Trump campaign staff member Michael Roman in his booking photo at the Fulton County Jail on August 25 in Atlanta. 

Fulton County Sheriff's Office

By this time, the Trump campaign had essentially cleaved in two. Top officials who had managed day-to-day activity for Trump up to the election, including in court, say they ceded responsibility to Rudy Giuliani and others, such as Chesebro, according to congressional testimony transcripts. Roman effectively switched teams to work under Giuliani’s structure, according to the testimony from Morgan and others.

A spokesperson for Giuliani did not reply to a request for comment.

‘It really went south on me’

Chesebro told Michigan investigators that his own emails show that Morgan remained deeply involved, including in the final hours before January 6, to ensure that the certificates reached DC.

“I don’t have a really warm feeling toward, at least, the top Trump lawyers that did this, hid from me what they were doing and then lied to Congress about me. So, it’s been really difficult,” Chesebro said.

Chesebro describes role of GOP lawmakers in electors scheme

Pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, an architect of the fake electors plan, tells Michigan prosecutors about how Congressional staffers helped get the fake elector ballots to the Capitol floor for the January 6, 2021, certification proceeding. (Chesebro says a staffer from Rep. Scott Perry’s office was involved, but the January 6 report says it was someone from Rep. Mike Kelly’s office.)

Chesebro further describes the fallout from his involvement the attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

Source: Obtained by CNN

In his congressional testimony, Morgan said he knew of the elector plan but wanted to distance himself from the effort, delegating the work to others, including those under Giuliani.

Morgan told the January 6 committee last year that he initially believed the electors were only meant to be used as a contingency. The electors, he believed, should meet in their state capitals and cast their electoral votes but “not necessarily submit” the certificates to Congress unless “we prevailed” in court.

Morgan told the committee that the plan changed in December, saying it morphed from a “cast-and-hold” operation and had “shifted to cast-and-send.” And that’s when Morgan told the committee that he backed out, testifying that he directed an aide to “email Mr. Chesebro politely to say, ‘this is your task. You are responsible for the Electoral College issues moving forward.’”

“This was my way of taking that responsibility to zero,” Morgan told the committee, later adding that he “moved on” after that email was sent.

Morgan explained that he was concerned that the new plan to try to count the fake electors on January 6 “would make the Vice President’s life harder, and I didn’t want to be a part of that.”

“Mr. Morgan stands by his congressional testimony,” his defense attorneys told CNN in response to his emails and Chesebro’s statements to investigators.

Ultimately, on the eve of the joint session of Congress, Morgan helped get the ballots in place, according to the emails and according to Chesebro, who blamed his legal troubles squarely on the Trump campaign’s legal team.

“I could have avoided all this,” Chesebro vented to Michigan prosecutors. “It’s been a real lesson in not working with people that you don’t know and are not sure you can trust, because it really went south on me.”

 

KE-

Keep on truckin'.

Yes, Trump could have been playing dirty too---that's the point.

You can have side-by-side "covert operations" going on.

There are possibly Trump's somewhat feeble, clumsy and far-fetched plans, which were unconnected to the Jan. 6 scrum (I will let the courts decide what Trump did). 

But there are also literally dozens, and perhaps more than 100-200 federal assets embedded in the crowd on Jan. 6, and then the mysterious decision of the Capitol Police to stand down. 

The use of provocateurs is hardly unknown, and such provocateurs in the Whitmer case...raise serious questions. 

The strange behavior of Ray Epps of the Oath Keepers, his role in triggering the first entrance to the Capitol, his non-prosecution, and then his lionization by the NYT is very odd. 

The odd and non-viable pipe bombs placed outside DNC and RNC HQ, which resulted in the Capitol being largely evacuated before the Jan. 6 scrum. 

The whole inexplicable Jacob Chansley episode. 

And the dearth of legacy media reporting on all of the above---akin to the JFKA post-WC scenario. 

I agree with you on Dinesh D'Souza being a right-wing wheeze-bag, although I am keeping an open mind on his report on the use of "mules" and ballot harvesting to tilt elections.

The same thing one major party did in Ohio in 2004, btw, swinging that state and national election back then to the President known as "W." 

Just for fun, see this https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/magazine/election-security-crisis-midterms.html

In 2018 the NYT screamed that there was a "crisis" in election security, that voting machines can be hacked, rigged, etc. Nothing really changed since then, but the NYT declared the 2020 election solid as a rock. 

So it goes. 

When the Sunnis massacre the Shiites and vice-versa, you can try to rationalize and put white hats on one side. 

When the two major parties tussle in the US......

2 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Keep reading. The controls were washed as well. 

That's interesting. Still, a bit loosey-goosey for my comfort. 

But...the chain of evidence problem too...the time delay to test on cheek...LHO's knowledge of spycraft and possible methods to foil tests...

Hey, I am a CT'er. Maybe LHO did not fire a weapon that day, or maybe only a handgun. Maybe neither. 

My take is that if there was a CIA-linked JFKA that day...and we had CIA-asset LHO in the TSBD, from which shots were fired...but LHO was totally uninvolved? And, almost immediately, LHO figures out he is the patsy, and takes a taxi home, arms himself....

I can't prove my version of the JFKA...but certainly is plausible LHO was involved in some way in the JFKA, perhaps unwittingly. 

So it goes....

15 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

The paraffin tests were not considered reliable, even in 1963. The NAA tests are considered reliable, even today. 

But, as to your larger point, yes, you are correct. The tests were performed too late to be conclusive. But there was plenty of gsr on his hands, and he was not believed to have washed his face, so the negative result for antimony on his cheek is undoubtedly suggestive of his innocence. 

When one takes into account, moreover, that the cheek casts ended up with more barium on the control side of the cheek cast than the side that had been applied to his face, the suspicion someone tried to rig the tests is justified. 

PS--

This is from your website .You are a solid researcher.

"Another memo on this transfer notes further that (the LHO) paraffin casts were normally thrown out by the Dallas Police Department after testing, and that Louie Anderson, who'd analyzed the casts for the DPD, had washed them and taken them home, apparently as a souvenir."

https://www.patspeer.com/chapter4fcastsofcontention

Egads. So the LHO paraffin casts, in addition to having no verifiable chain of evidence, were "washed" before the NAA testing? 

It is not possible (likely?) that in addition to the paraffin tests having been conducted too many ours after the shooting event to be dispositive, the paraffin masks were then "washed," which would have further reduced GSR? Eliminated GSR? 

Of course, it is still possible LH simply shielded his face with paper while firing the M-L one time on 11/22. There was plenty of paper and tape around. 

Really, it seems a bit dicey to deduce much from this particular bit of evidence.

1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Bill Fite---

Thanks for your comment. 

You make a good point. Th literature seems to concur the NAA tests are sensitive. 

Unfortunately, the chain of evidence on the LHO paraffin mask...is non-existent. An ordinary  DPD officer took the paraffin mask home for several days or weeks, before the purported mask was sent on to Guinn, who ran the NAA tests. I think I remember something about the DPD officer washing the mask. Ask Pat Speer.

In other event, there is no assurance the mask tested by Guinn is, or is not, the true LHO mask. 

On top of that, LHO may have simply covered his cheek with paper or saran wrap while firing. 

If we assume LHO was a CIA asset, and very interested in and trained in spycraft...he may have used techniques to foil detection. 

Which leads to a stray thought....suppose you were to shoot someone with a .38 revolver, and then throw onto the ground .38 "auto" shells before running off?  Then if you were arrested later, the "auto" shells would appear to be evidence you were not the shooter. 

Just wondering if someone shot Tippit with a revolver and tossed "auto" shells on the ground nearby... 

Endless inquiries...that is the JFKA....

Thanks for your collegial commentary. 

BTW, from Pat Speer's formidable website:

"Another memo on this transfer notes further that (LHO's) paraffin casts were normally thrown out by the Dallas Police Department after testing, and that Louie Anderson, who'd analyzed the casts for the DPD, had washed them and taken them home, apparently as a souvenir."

https://www.patspeer.com/chapter4fcastsofcontention

1 hour ago, Denny Zartman said:

You're going to have to produce some evidence for that. You can't just make it up out of thin air. Why do you do that?

DZ--

Thanks for your comment.

I noted, in my review of GSR literature, that gloves and face masks, used to during firing, are known to prevent traces of GSR on the skin.  

If LHO knew that gloves and masks can foil GDR tests---and as an CIA asset in operations, it is reasonable to assume he did---he might have taken steps to prevent GSR traces falling upon his skin. 

Some have asked, how then did GSR end up on LHO's hands?

1. He may have fired a revolver during the Tippit episode. He may have only handled his revolver, which had GSR on it from previous firings.  

2. He may have false positives on his hands after exposure to police cars and offices, where researchers have found GSR contaminants. 

3. He may have had contaminants on the outside of his hands, from his work, and failed to wash the outside of his hands after the JFKA. 

As I say, for many reasons, IMHO the LHO's cheek and hands GSR tests are too dicey to convict or exonerate LHO. 

BTW, this is from Pat Speer:

"Another memo on this transfer notes further that (the LHO) paraffin casts were normally thrown out by the Dallas Police Department after testing, and that Louie Anderson, who'd analyzed the casts for the DPD, had washed them and taken them home, apparently as a souvenir."

Egads! Talk about chain of evidence and tampering with evidence!  

Do you imagine if Louie Anderson had 'washed" the masks, he might have removed GSR from the masks before the neutron testing? 

57 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:

Like evading apprehension by sitting motionless in a public place?

DZ---

Thanks for your comment. 

I am unsure of the meaning of your comment. 

On 3/28/2024 at 4:54 AM, Keven Hofeling said:

Roger Odisio wrote:

No, no army of lawyers, this is just all familiar territory to me because I've been following Russiagate blow by blow since the Hillary Clinton campaign first unleashed it against Bernie Sanders in 2016 (who I was rooting for to get the Democratic nomination for President, prior to learning that the Clinton machine had rigged the primaries against him [See Democracy Lost: A Report on the Fatally Flawed 2016 Democratic Primaries:  https://cosmoso.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Democracy_Lost_Update1_EJUSA.pdf]). I have no particular talent, I've just been engaged in this debate on a Facebook group I started in 2015 since that time (and started a Facebook group on political assassinations the following year). I've assembled an enormous amount of information on both topics during the intervening years, and can deploy it very quickly, as is necessary with debates that take place in Facebook comments. It is said these days that I am on the left, although I am convinced that I am the equivalent of a typical 1980 era democrat who believes that free speech is just about the most important societal principal that there is, and understands the realities involved in the fact that the CIA and the military industrial complex effected a coup de tat over the democratically elected government in 1963. It's just that something strange has happened in the last forty years in which the role of the "traditional liberal" has somehow been coopted and transmuted into something unrecognizable to me. Liberals who support censorship, the CIA and war... WTF???

 

Roger, I recognize in your writing and convictions that you must have a similar story, particularly given your familiarity  with the involvement of NPIC and Hawkeyeworks with the camera-original Zapruder film, which is -- in addition to the medical evidence -- the JFKA subject that interests most interests me (as I believe that once there is mainstream knowledge of the photographic fraud, and clandestine surgical alteration of JFK's body, in conjunction with the fraudulent autopsy, a critical mass will be reached whereby the issue of high level government conspiracy will no longer be in question).

And with regard to Rachel Maddow's litigation defense that she does not present actual "news," the following is a Jimmy Dore video on the topic that I think you will be able to appreciate:

Rachel Maddow "Is Not News" Says Court Ruling!

The Jimmy Dore Show | Jul 1, 2021 | https://youtu.be/hDRoqIgUgEg?si=MRD7tNauRH0x1p-R

 

 

KE--

Keep on truckin'

IMHO, you, as an independent observer, will be subject to partisan detractors, and their commentary. 

The Jan. 6 committee was indisputably a political body, and conducted a politicized investigation. There was no adversarial process, or minority report---the same format as the Warren Commission, btw. 

How to explain the Jan. 6 committee censoring and suppressing the video of Jacob Chansley, aka Mr Buffalo Horns, being solicitously ushered around the Capitol, and even to the Senate chambers and gallery, by numerous Capitol Police officers who heavily outnumbered the docile and diminutive Chansley?

The numerous uniformed Capitol Police officers did not even remove Chansley's flag pole from him, later described as a "weapon" by federal prosecutors, adding to the charges against Chansley.

The Chansley video surfaced only after the other major political party gained control of House properties, and released the video. And only after Chansley was in prison. 

As I say, never trust a government investigation, and especially one from an overtly political body. 

Even an adversarial process might not reveal the truth...but might get you closer.

8 hours ago, Bill Fite said:

It's not just the paraffin test but the Neutron Activation Analysis tests performed on the Oswald paraffin and the paraffin tests on 7 FBI agents who test fired an MC rifle (the MC rifle).

The NAA would be much more sensitive than paraffin tests. 

LHO's result was negative.  All 7 FBI agents positive.

A summary can be found here - http://www.22november1963.org.uk/jfk-assassination-neutron-activation-analysis.

Pat Speer posted a really good explanation of this last week in this thread - 

 

 

Bill Fite---

Thanks for your comment. 

You make a good point. Th literature seems to concur the NAA tests are sensitive. 

Unfortunately, the chain of evidence on the LHO paraffin mask...is non-existent. An ordinary  DPD officer took the paraffin mask home for several days or weeks, before the purported mask was sent on to Guinn, who ran the NAA tests. I think I remember something about the DPD officer washing the mask. Ask Pat Speer.

In other event, there is no assurance the mask tested by Guinn is, or is not, the true LHO mask. 

On top of that, LHO may have simply covered his cheek with paper or saran wrap while firing. 

If we assume LHO was a CIA asset, and very interested in and trained in spycraft...he may have used techniques to foil detection. 

Which leads to a stray thought....suppose you were to shoot someone with a .38 revolver, and then throw onto the ground .38 "auto" shells before running off?  Then if you were arrested later, the "auto" shells would appear to be evidence you were not the shooter. 

Just wondering if someone shot Tippit with a revolver and tossed "auto" shells on the ground nearby... 

Endless inquiries...that is the JFKA....

Thanks for your collegial commentary. 

5 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Well, I wrote a book on this topic because, whether or not the tests prove Oswald's innocence, the DPD and FBI's behavior regarding these tests is proof THEY thought they were suggestive of Oswald's innocence, and were scared this would come out. 

As far as the paraffin (wax) casts, they were taken home by the DPD crime lab employee who'd conducted the tests, and brought back a few days later when the FBI expressed an interest in them. This makes their chain of custody better than average (for this case)...certainly better than the chain-of-custody for the shells.  

In other words, we have no evidence the paraffin cast sent to Guinn is, or is not, the actual paraffin mask used on LHO. 

48 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

The paraffin tests were not considered reliable, even in 1963. The NAA tests are considered reliable, even today. 

But, as to your larger point, yes, you are correct. The tests were performed too late to be conclusive. But there was plenty of gsr on his hands, and he was not believed to have washed his face, so the negative result for antimony on his cheek is undoubtedly suggestive of his innocence. 

When one takes into account, moreover, that the cheek casts ended up with more barium on the control side of the cheek cast than the side that had been applied to his face, the suspicion someone tried to rig the tests is justified. 

Yes, as I recall, the purported LHO plaster cast (not truly plaster but a waxy-type material?) fell into the hands of DPD officer for a while (many days or weeks?) before belatedly finding its way to a testing lab run by Guinn (the erstwhile bullet guy, as I recall).

I gather the DPD guy thought an LHO cast would be valuable as a souvenir. I wonder if it is the "real" LHO plaster cast. The chain of evidence was broken, as I recall. 

In addition, though you say there is no evidence LHO washed his face...it is certainly possible he did. 

Also, see my related post for all the ways in which a false negative can be had in testing for GSR. 

Franky, I do not know what to make of the FBI test-firing the M-C rifle and finding it left no GSR traces. 

Well, each to his own.

IMHO, I would not exonerate, or convict, LHO on the cheek evidence. 

Add on: Gloves will prevent GSR deposits, and so will covering the face while shooting. 

4 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

What a load of farcical nonsense!

I've presented you with an enormous amount of evidence, and at the same time made it clear that I am going to call you out for having no evidence at all in support your hollow narrative. You operate as if telling your little story of Russiagate is sufficient, but in the absence of any known evidence it certainly is not. Your MAGA fixation/obsession is no substitute for actual evidence, and it appears that somehow you have continued to operate as if there is some kind of value in the venomous rhetorical diatribe and vacuous partisan enmeshment in the cheap fixtures and imaginary fairytales of the likes of Rachel Maddow -- a thoroughly discredited imbecilic crackpot. If Rachel Maddow scripts are really all you have at your disposel, you should really consider calling it quits because contending with real verifiable facts supported by bona fide evidence can be an unforgiving ordeal for a thickheaded snake-oil salesman like those you seem to be attempting to emulate.

The evidence I am calling upon you to produce is much more than your stereotypical rant; I'd like to see you refer me to Court Orders, judicially admissible direct and testamentary evidence capable of withstanding standard legal objections, and the work of genuine investigative journalists (as opposed to sensationalist commentators like Rachel Maddow), such as all of those listed directly below. And I'd suggest that you engage in some actual research by evaluating the evidence they have produced, as it sets forth the standard that you are going to have to surpass, since their work soundly demolishes the Russiagate hoax that you have been so ineptly attempting to perpetrate upon us.

_____________

'MATT TALIBBI ON THE CJR STORY EXPOSING FAKE JOURNALISTS'

Usefulidiots | February 8, 2023 | https://youtu.be/QHCZE6S4LoA

With Matt Taibbi’s Twitter Files and Jeff Gerth’s new in-depth reporting for CJR exposing the years of lies spread by Russiagaters, bitter attacks from outed journalists are rolling in.

Gerth and Taibbi, who come from the old style of journalism where you fact check your work and don’t accept government officials’ claims on faith, have each shown clear, indisputable evidence of disinformation campaigns pushed by corporate reporters. And since the so-called journalists can’t argue the facts, they dig themselves a deeper hole with more lies and name-calling.

Jeff Gerth has been working as a reporter for decades and published, in the very mainstream Columbia Journalism Review, a 20,000-word report on his findings, only to be called a liar and misdirecting magician in the most self-important article by Mother Jones’ David Corn (“The true media failure is that Trump got away with it and that articles like this one that you are now reading are still necessary.”) And possibly worse than that is the near complete silence from the rest of mainstream media who, as Gerth reported, refused to follow Bob Woodward’s pleas for introspection.

They’re not silent, however, about Matt Taibbi. These corporate stenographers, either angry that Taibbi called them out for lying or jealous that they didn’t get the Twitter Files story themselves, haven’t made any substantive arguments against his findings both because they can’t, but also because they know they don’t need to. Their audiences are trained to believe them.

_____________

'VETERAN NYT JOURNALIST JEFF GERTH EXPOSES US MEDIA'S RUSSIAGATE DEBACLE'

Pushback with Aaron Maté | The Grayzone | February 16, 2023 | https://youtu.be/fCkvD7gt89A

In a new four-part series for the Columbia Journalism Review, veteran journalist Jeff Gerth documents US media's journalistic malpractice in covering Russiagate. Guest: Jeff Gerth, journalist who spent three decades as an investigative reporter at the New York Times, where he won the 1999 Pulitzer Prize.

His new four-part series about US media’s Russiagate coverage in the “Columbia Journalism Review” is called “The press versus the president.”

_____________

On January 30, 2023, Gerth published in the Columbia Journalism Review what his editor called an "encyclopedic look at one of the most consequential moments in American media history," the U.S. media's coverage of Trump's alleged role in the proven Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.

_____________

'THE PRESS VERSUS THE PRESIDENT, PARTS ONE - FOUR' 

By Jeff Gerth | Columbia Journalism Review | January 30, 2023 |   https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php

EDITORS NOTE: https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-ed-note.php

Looking back on the coverage of Trump

JANUARY 30, 2023 By KYLE POPE

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Editor's Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four

Seven and a half years ago, journalism began a tortured dance with Donald Trump, the man who would be the country’s forty-fifth president—first dismissing him, then embracing him as a source of ratings and clicks, then going all in on efforts to catalogue Trump as a threat to the country (also a great source of ratings and clicks).

No narrative did more to shape Trump’s relations with the press than Russiagate. The story, which included the Steele dossier and the Mueller report among other totemic moments, resulted in Pulitzer Prizes as well as embarrassing retractions and damaged careers. For Trump, the press’s pursuit of the Russia story convinced him that any sort of normal relationship with the press was impossible.

For the past year and a half, CJR has been examining the American media’s coverage of Trump and Russia in granular detail, and what it means as the country enters a new political cycle. Investigative reporter Jeff Gerth interviewed dozens of people at the center of the story—editors and reporters, Trump himself, and others in his orbit.

The result is an encyclopedic look at one of the most consequential moments in American media history. Gerth’s findings aren’t always flattering, either for the press or for Trump and his team. Doubtless they’ll be debated and maybe even used as ammunition in the ongoing media war being waged in the country. But they are important, and worthy of deep reflection as the campaign for the presidency is about, once again, to begin.

Kyle Pope was the editor in chief and publisher of the Columbia Journalism Review. He is now executive director of strategic initiatives at Covering Climate Now.

 

KE--Keep truckin'

I like to see many points of view. That is what a forum is for. 

I actually stopped supporting Bernie Sanders when he caved into the wokesters, and said millions, even tens of millions of desperate illegal immigrants, did not pose a threat to US wages. 

He knows better (and said so for decades) but wanted the nomination.

I still admire the guy. Jeez, at his age he had a heart attack and kept campaigning.  Pardon the pun, his heart is in the right place. 

I wonder why so many old pols no longer retire. 

44 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

The possibility exists that Oswald washed his face at the rooming house, and that the gsr on his hands came from the Tippit shooting.

BUT... the housekeeper insisted he was in and out and had not visited the bathroom.

AND...despite constant claims of as much, it's clear the rifle was not wiped down for fingerprints.

Well...it makes little sense for Oswald--assuming he was the shooter--to not wipe down the rifle--when the study of fingerprints at crime scenes was common knowledge--and then turn around and wash his face to remove gsr--when the testing of cheeks for gsr was not nearly as commonplace or well-known--and he had no intentions of getting captured. 

So, perhaps he got "lucky" on two counts--he washed his face without realizing it might help him claim his innocence--AND no one noticed. 

 

LHO's landlady said she was glued to the TV (naturally enough) when LHO entered, and as I recall, she was in the living room in the front of house, by the front door. 

So, would she have noticed LHO taking one minute in the bathroom? Further down the hall. 

Or, there were bathrooms in the Texas Theater. 

Anyway see my related post. Even wiping ones face with a cloth can remove GSR. 

The GSR test strikes me as very iffy. Even perspiration can remove GSR, while shooting with the wind (as opposed into the wind) can limit exposure. 

Von Pein has links to tests that showed no doses of GSR using the M-L rifle. Yes, take with a grain of salt. 

"The Warren Commission Report, Pages 561-562....

"In a third experiment, performed after the assassination, an agent of the FBI, using the C2766 rifle, fired three rounds of Western 6.5-millimeter Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition in rapid succession. A paraffin test was then performed on both of his hands and his right cheek. Both of his hands and his cheek tested negative."

---30---

The cheek test was administered by the DPD past the number of hours it is considered conclusive. 

I would not declare LHO innocent or guilty based on a GSR test administered on LHO when it was, given all the variables. 

Here is some more:

"It is also important to note that the absence of GSR does not prove that a person did not fire a gun, since the residual chemicals can be removed by wiping, hand-washing, wind, rain, etc. See State v. Lambert, 341 N.C. 36 (1995) (“negative gunshot residue test could be explained by defendant's wringing of her hands and the use of her hands to wipe tears from her face”)."

https://ncpro.sog.unc.edu/manual/611-1

---30---

I think those of us in the CT side (includes me) have to release this contention, that the negative cheek test proves anything.

It should also be clear, LHO could have fired a rifle and gun that day in service of an intel agency, or perhaps was a flat-out patsy. 

1 hour ago, Matt Allison said:

Isn't there a "Weirdo MAGA" forum this thread belongs in?

Matt-

Do you think what HRC/DNC did to Bernie Sanders was justifiable? 

2 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

Roger Odisio wrote:

No, no army of lawyers, this is just all familiar territory to me because I've been following Russiagate blow by blow since the Hillary Clinton campaign first unleashed it against Bernie Sanders in 2016 (who I was rooting for to get the Democratic nomination for President, prior to learning that the Clinton machine had rigged the primaries against him [See Democracy Lost: A Report on the Fatally Flawed 2016 Democratic Primaries:  https://cosmoso.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Democracy_Lost_Update1_EJUSA.pdf]). I have no particular talent, I've just been engaged in this debate on a Facebook group I started in 2015 since that time (and started a Facebook group on political assassinations the following year). I've assembled an enormous amount of information on both topics during the intervening years, and can deploy it very quickly, as is necessary with debates that take place in Facebook comments. It is said these days that I am on the left, although I am convinced that I am the equivalent of a typical 1980 era democrat who believes that free speech is just about the most important societal principal that there is, and understands the realities involved in the fact that the CIA and the military industrial complex effected a coup de tat over the democratically elected government in 1963. It's just that something strange has happened in the last forty years in which the role of the "traditional liberal" has somehow been coopted and transmuted into something unrecognizable to me. Liberals who support censorship, the CIA and war... WTF???

 

Roger, I recognize in your writing and convictions that you must have a similar story, particularly given your familiarity  with the involvement of NPIC and Hawkeyeworks with the camera-original Zapruder film, which is -- in addition to the medical evidence -- the JFKA subject that interests most interests me (as I believe that once there is mainstream knowledge of the photographic fraud, and clandestine surgical alteration of JFK's body, in conjunction with the fraudulent autopsy, a critical mass will be reached whereby the issue of high level government conspiracy will no longer be in question).

And with regard to Rachel Maddow's litigation defense that she does not present actual "news," the following is a Jimmy Dore video on the topic that I think you will be able to appreciate:

Rachel Maddow "Is Not News" Says Court Ruling!

The Jimmy Dore Show | Jul 1, 2021 | https://youtu.be/hDRoqIgUgEg?si=MRD7tNauRH0x1p-R

 

 

KH--

What HRC did to Bernie Sanders...oooof. 

Have you ever seen Liz Cheney and HRC in the same room at the same time? No one else has either. Is Liz Cheney really just HRC with glasses and wig?

You have added a great deal of balance and color to the EF-JFKA. 

I may disagree with you at times, but then that is what a forum is for...not to be a feculent darkened echo chamber, but a room open to sunshine and many points of view.  

"Keep truckin,'" as old guys say.

Of interest to the JFKA community has always been the "negative" GSR test on LHO's cheek, taken late 11/22/63.

One problem was that the GSR test was administered on LHO was done past the length of time such tests were considered informative. 

Then--

https://ncpro.sog.unc.edu/manual/611-1#:~:text=GSR tests results are considered,not recently fire a gun.

So, if LHO wiped his face with cloth, or rinsed his face off in a bathroom at his rooming house or the Texas Theater....

Then from my neighbors in the Philippines--

"National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) forensic chemist Leonora Vallado testified that excessive perspiration or washing of hands with the use of warm water or vinegar may remove gunpowder nitrates on the skin."

https://crimephilippines.wordpress.com/2009/04/19/gunshot-residue-analysis/

LHO was running around....

IMHO, the GSR test on LHO's cheek is not informative. 

In addition, LHO, if he was a CIA asset, may have known to simply cover his cheek with paper or saran wrap while firing. 

7 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I wonder how Oswald washed his face without also washing his hands. Or why he would keep his face clean but allow his hands to have residue on them.

Makes no sense.

But then, neither does it make sense for Oswald to purposely fake shoot at a president, in particular with live ammo.

 

Thanks for your question. 

There were two possible sources for what registers as gunshot residue (GSR).

Firing guns, but also working with print materials. 

In addition, in general, the GSR tests not the palms, but the outside of hands for GSR.

LHO may have had what registers as GSR on his hands from working in the TSBD, or possibly from firing a handgun at Tippit. 

If LHO washed his face with his palms (more of a rinsing of the face to freshen up) then the GSR would have been left on the outside of his hands. 

In addition, if he covered his cheek with paper while firing a rifle, then his hands might have been exposed, but not his face. 

If LHO was a CIA asset, as many of us suspect, he was likely aware that GSR on his hands was explainable by his work at the TSBD. But less explainable on his face. 

LHO taking an intentional missed shot at the President makes sense, if he was part of a false flag op to be blamed on Castro. 

Just IMHO.

(Some assert it was not LHO who confronted Tippit. It sure is a cloudy situation, with the usual muddled witness statements. The strange shells at the scene add to the confusion, as does the initial ID of the shells as "auto" when LHO carried a revolver.

In addition, it sure looks like LHO's wallet was planted at the scene. 

I keep an open mind, and wonder if LHO, having deduced he had been framed for JFK's murder, was approached by Tippit, and then shot Tippit. That would result on GSR on his hands.)

Add on:

GSR tests results are considered reliable, and should be admitted into evidence. Gunshot residue can be removed by actions such as washing hands, wiping clothing, or brushing it off, so the absence of residue does not prove that the person did not recently fire a gun.

https://ncpro.sog.unc.edu/manual/611-1#:~:text=GSR tests results are considered,not recently fire a gun.

Jeez, by wiping his face with a cloth, LHO might have removed GSR from his face. I have provided you with the source. 

I would say the GSR test on LHO's cheek is not conclusive of anything. 

Note to anyone: 

Perhaps the purported rifle was secreted into the TSBD the night before, and assembled. 

The telescopic sight was likely not used. 

If what I suspect is correct, LHO didn't need the scope, since he was intentionally missing on his single shot in the rough direction of the President. This may have been the Tague shot. 

Just IMHO, per usual.

2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

The reason you disagree with what has been proven, is because it is inconsistent with you pet theory.

Well, guess what...

Oswald had no gunshot residue on his cheeks. Which proves that he didn't fire a rifle that day.

Your theory, therefore, is kaput.

But you will disagree because -- despite all your calls for everyone to keep an open mind -- you've got one of the most closed minds of anyone on the forum.

But so it goes.

Keep an open mind.

 

Pat Speer did a pretty good job on LHO's cheek, and the gunshot residue test was administered too many hours after the event to be considered accurate.

In addition, upon researching, I found out that washing the face, or even perspiration, can remove the gunshot residue from the face. LHO may have washed his face at his rooming house, in a bathroom at the TSBD before leaving the building, or at the Texas Theater. If he was running around after the JFKA, maybe perspiration did the trick. 

Moreover, if LHO was a trained CIA asset, then covering the face with paper (in the TSBD, lots of it) or saran wrap before firing would also work, something he would know.

In addition, if the TSBD was "exhaling" when LHO fired the rifle, that may have blown residue outward from him. In the literature, there is discussion about firing into and away from the wind and getting no gunshot residue dose in the latter case.  

This is all IMHO. I respect your opinion on what happened to LHO on 11/22/63. It is just a different opinion than mine.