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Who says they're done charging him? It's not uncommon for the feds to charge someone to see what they do and then pile on more charges. The fact that they came calling early is no surprise to me. I think it would be stupid not to. Stone would destroy anything he could if they allowed him to report IMO.
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On 1/23/2019 at 2:43 PM, Cory Santos said:
Exactly, how would LHO have one?
I don't know but he also had a $180 Stereo Realist in his possessions apparently. Since the Minox is kind of an icon of trade craft of the era (from movies, TV shows and yes they did use them) I think it's easy to apply "spook" to its significance but it could just be he collected cameras or swiped them from Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall . Of course added to other evidence it could very well be he was given these.
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1 hour ago, Tony Krome said:
No controversy, if you read the above posts, you will see where Dave commented on the last few seconds of the video clip where it shows a man next to Ruby handling an object. Those few seconds on their own do not determine if the object is a camera or not, but what appears to be the same man seen earlier in the clip at the 50sec mark is holding what seems to be the same object to his face, like a camera.
The camera may belong to that man or may not, we don't know.
As far as the Minox relevance and similarity of the camera, here is Detective Gus Rose on property from the Paine household;
"We found this camera and of course, we brought it and a whole lot of other property in, as possible evidence in the case. And, uh, while we were marking the evidence for later identification by us to be used in evidence we did, Stowall and I, did take a close look at this Minox miniature camera and it did have a roll of film in it. As time passed and after the Warren Commission was appointed, uh, a couple of F.B.I. agents made three different trips to our office to talk to me about this camera. They said that after they had received all the property they found that I had made a mistake, and that really wasn't a camera, it was a Minox light meter. However, as I told them at the time, I was sure that I had not made a mistake, it definitely was a camera and definitely did have film in it. However, they wanted me to change that in our property invoice to read Minox light meter and not read Minox camera. We never did change it. Uh, Captain Fritz instructed me if I was sure I was right not to make any changes in any reports, to stay with what was right."
Yeah not cheap I suppose but not out of reach either. Thanks for the memory prompt!
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1 hour ago, Tony Krome said:
No controversy, if you read the above posts, you will see where Dave commented on the last few seconds of the video clip where it shows a man next to Ruby handling an object. Those few seconds on their own do not determine if the object is a camera or not, but what appears to be the same man seen earlier in the clip at the 50sec mark is holding what seems to be the same object to his face, like a camera.
The camera may belong to that man or may not, we don't know.
As far as the Minox relevance and similarity of the camera, here is Detective Gus Rose on property from the Paine household;
"We found this camera and of course, we brought it and a whole lot of other property in, as possible evidence in the case. And, uh, while we were marking the evidence for later identification by us to be used in evidence we did, Stowall and I, did take a close look at this Minox miniature camera and it did have a roll of film in it. As time passed and after the Warren Commission was appointed, uh, a couple of F.B.I. agents made three different trips to our office to talk to me about this camera. They said that after they had received all the property they found that I had made a mistake, and that really wasn't a camera, it was a Minox light meter. However, as I told them at the time, I was sure that I had not made a mistake, it definitely was a camera and definitely did have film in it. However, they wanted me to change that in our property invoice to read Minox light meter and not read Minox camera. We never did change it. Uh, Captain Fritz instructed me if I was sure I was right not to make any changes in any reports, to stay with what was right."
Ah. Seems like there are a few of the same people in the shot at :50 and 1:15 aside from Minox guy. Interesting but Minox cameras weren't that unusual when I was a kid and not that expensive if I recall. But that was late 60s. Maybe my memory fails me...
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45 minutes ago, Tony Krome said:
He holds it like a camera, definitely not a harmonica, too high on the face
Is whether that is a camera or not controversial? He's holding the case.
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For anyone who is interested and may not have access this is an early history of BOB written by Dana Durand which has a lot of interesting information in it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4ep15i2H_PLWWI5RDJJSUlVclk/view?usp=sharing
If you'd like to see BOB it's still standing and located here:
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More than you'd ever want to know about the Jedburghs and lots of other stuff here:
Ike Skelton Combined Arms Research Library (CARL) Digital Library
http://cgsc.cdmhost.com/cdm/search/searchterm/jedburghs/order/nosort
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21 hours ago, David Josephs said:
President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.
FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -
- denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
- on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
- having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.
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14 hours ago, David Josephs said:
What makes you say that Bob?
I'm not disagreeing at all btw... The BLOCK letters of his name and address at the bottom was more like the writing of LEE that we knew...
The script writing can invariably be credited to the man Ruby killed....
Hi David,
I'm by no means an expert on this but it seems LHO suffered from dyslexia and this is a much sharper letter than I would expect from him. Maybe I'm all wrong but that was my first impression. IIRC the samples I had seen of his writing were more like the block in the corner but I never delved into it much...
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Who wrote the letter? Seems to me it wasn't LHO...
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It's is a bit over the top to headline the piece "Direct influence and supervision by the DoD" by good ol red-pill Tyler Durden. To be sure they've had a heavy hand in some but a lot of the time it's a permission thing or they don't want to be involved with a script because of appropriateness or whatever. These days producers don't have to have the Navy allow them onto an aircraft carrier because it's easier to do digitally.
The interesting thing to find out would be how many scripts get their financing killed before they get made...
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I believe Abt was interviewed and said he was out of town at the time, possibly on vacation.
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All the usual names and then some surrounding the CIA hit on Scientist Frank Olson.
QuoteIronically, at the same time that the various relationships began to crumble, Saracco and Bibb were finally making headway in nailing down the identities of two mysterious men who sources had told them were in the Statler's Room 1018A at the time of Olson's death. The two prosecutors were able to track one of these men to his last known place of residence in New England, but there the trail grew cold. A query from the district attorney's office to the CIA about the man's relationship with the government brought the reply that the agency was unable to locate any records concerning the man. Inquiries from New York to other agencies, including the FBI, produced responses that records concerning the man were still classified due to his connections to other cases including the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Said Saracco to the author, "Something instinctively told me all along that this case would hook up to bigger things."
Crime Magazine article by HP Albareli Jr.
http://crimemagazine.com/part-one-mysterious-death-cia-scientist-frank-olson?page=7
I'd really like to know about that. It's a long article and very involved. Seems like there's a small world of covert operators. I haven't read much about Sheffield Edwards who seems to be the guy everyone went to for cleaning up inconvenient people and subjects.
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My point is that until something better is devised NATO has worked for several decades to LARGELY bring stability to Europe. Bumping up payments is fine but not required IMO. To suggest the UN could handle the differences that always arise in that region is about the same as turning it over to a barnyard full of sheep. A lot of bleeting and dashing about. The best chance I suppose would have been a successful EU but that's not on top of Putin's list either.
Re Trump I want you to know that I've soloed an airplane which makes me more qualified to fly your next airline trip than Trump is qualified to run a democratic republic. The nonsense about bringing a new "perspective" to the job may be okay for advisers but I think we're better off without mobbed-up, narcissistic, sociopaths running the country. It showed in Helsinki as Putin, the professional, made the President look completely idiotic and out-classed. I shutter to think what went on behind closed doors...
I hope the Trump apologists don't jump to defend him if he somehow sits down with a professional interrogator(s) like Mueller and his team. I've been in that position and those people are unbelievable at extracting information and probing testimony. I doubt he'd survive his presidency.
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Jim:
I'd imagine there are some people in Crimea that wished Ukraine was part of NATO. I realize the Russian "Citizens" who were retroactively granted passports (in the time honored European tradition) may not feel that way. I well understand why Putin/Russia are testy about "NATO-creep" but the fact is they've brought it on themselves. They got it the old fashioned way by earning it.
Europe also includes Russia, Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Albania, The Ukraine etc (Warsaw Pact not strictly Eastern Bloc-splitting hairs I spose) and the specific charter of NATO was for a collective defense of the war torn allies. But that also included a proviso that any NATO member would be defended by the others, regardless of the aggressor. Either way, our presence there has stabilized the continent for the most part and my guess is that the investment has paid off nicely. Could they pay more? Sure. I'm not sure we're better off the way it is though (I admit it's debatable).
After a decade or so of US hijinks Europe has done well in the last 30-40 years and it's not because of the former Soviet Union or Russia. Much of it has to do with the US playing the nanny I'm afraid.
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22 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:
OMG. I have to agree with Cliff. Trump's behavior towards Russia has been a disaster.
Trump didn't have to meet with Putin at all. The U.S. at this point is ten times as powerful as Russia. And yet, Trump travels half-way round the world to stand by Putin in the middle of a bi-partisan investigation of Putin's purported attack on our democracy, and then denounces this investigation. No president has ever done anything like this. It's fruit loops.
Trump COULD have visited Putin, and said he's awaiting judgement after the investigation has been completed. But no, he repeatedly said "All I can do is ask him if he did those bad things, mommie, and if he says no well I guess we gotta believe him" which makes the U.S. look ridiculous...and idiotic. What an embarrassment! I mean, it couldn't have been any worse if he'd peed his pants.
I know some people think the media's bias against Putin comes from his being a communist, or socialist, and that it's hip and cool to side with communists and socialists. But I don't see it that way at all. The days of Russian communism and socialism are long gone. It's clear to me Putin is little more than a corrupt and murderous thug ruling over a kleptocracy, and that Trump would love to follow in his footsteps.
Yup.
James DiEugenio BTW, I also agree with him on NATO. Why do we need to foot the bill for them if there is no USSR or Eastern Bloc anymore?How about because until 1945 the Europeans have been slaughtering each other for hundreds of years? Go back through maps of Europe say four or five hundred years .
If nothing else being there has kept us from having to pack our bags to go back again.
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1 minute ago, Cliff Varnell said:
That's the Fake Debate Machine spinning garbage in garbage out.
16 witnesses to the low back wound.
1) Dr. Admiral George Burkley, JFK's personal physician observed the body at Parkland and Bethesda, wrote on the Death Certificate that the back wound was "about the level of the third thoracic vertebra."
2) The autopsy face sheet diagram prepared by Dr. J. Thornton Boswell shows a wound location consistent with the holes in the clothes (4 inches below the bottom of the collars).
The diagram was filled out in pencil and signed off as "verified," also in pencil, also in accordance to proper autopsy protocol. The "14cm from the mastoid" notation was made in pen, which is a violation of proper autopsy protocol. Boswell signed off on three different "posterior" wound locations.
3) Dr. John Ebersole attended the autopsy and told David Mantik in a 1992 interview that the back wound was at T4. (Harrison Livingstone's KILLING THE TRUTH pg 721)
4) James Curtis Jenkins was a lab tech at the autopsy and made this statement to DavidLifton:
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I remember looking inside the chest cavity and I could see the probe...through the pleura [the lining of the chest cavity]...You could actually see where it was making an indentation...where it was pushing the skin up...There was no entry into the chest cavity...it would have been no way that that could have exited in the front because it was then low in the chest cavity...somewhere around the junction of the descending aorta [the main artery carrying blood from the heart] or the bronchus in the lungs.
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5) Chester H. Boyers was the chief Petty Officer in charge of the Pathology Department atBethesda November 1963. This is from Boyers signed affidavit:
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Another wound was located near the right shoulder blade, more specifically just under the scapula and next to it.
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The location just below the upper margin of the scapula is consistent with T3:
6) SSA Will Greer in his WC testimony (Vol 2 pg 127) placed the back wound “in the soft part of that shoulder,” consistent with the testimony of Boyers.
7) SSA Roy Kellerman testified before the WC (Vol. 2 pg 93) that the wound in the backwas “the hole that was in his shoulder.” Kellerman expanded on this for the HSCA witha diagram which placed the back wound in the vicinity of T-3.
😎 FBI SA Francis O'Neill said that the first location for the back wound that Humes gave was "below the shoulder." Here's O'Neill's HSCA wound diagram:
http://www.jfklancer.../md/oneill1.gif
9) FBI SA James Sibert also diagrammed a lower back wound:
http://www.jfklancer.../md/sibert1.gif
10) Autopsy photographer Floyd Reibe stated that the back wound was a lower marking on the Fox 5 autopsy photo (Harrison Livingstone's Killing the Truth, pg 721).
11) Parkland nurse Diana Bowron stated the same thing to Livingstone: the back wound was lower than the "official" wound in the autopsy photo (KTT, pg 183).
12) Bethesda lab assistant Jan Gail Rudnicki told Livingstone that he saw "what appeared tobe an entry wound several inches down on the back." (Livingstone's High Treason 2, pg 206). This consistent with T3.
13) Bethesda x-ray tech Edward Reed reported seeing a back wound "right between the scapula and the thoracic column," although he thought it was an exit (KTT, pg 720). This location is also consistent with T3.
14) Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett wrote in a note the afternoon of 11/22/63:
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I saw a shot hit the Boss about four inches down from the right shoulder.
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4 inches below the right shoulder. Fact: the bullet hole in JFK's shirt is 4" below the bottom of the collar. Glen Bennett nailed the back wound.
15) Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, tasked with bearing witness to the location of JFK's wounds, testified before the Warren Commission:
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...I saw an opening in the back, about 6 inches below the neckline to the right-hand side of the spinal column.
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6 inches below the neckline. Fact: the bullet hole in JFK's shirt is 5 & 3/4" below the top of the collar. Clint Hill nailed the back wound.
16) In his notes mortician Tom Robinson wrote: "And wound 5-6 inches below the shoulder" .
So would you agree with the placement I've shown or disagree?
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23 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:
Or you could turn your head to the right, look down at your right shoulder-top, slowly raise your right arm and wave your right hand.
The fabric of your shirt will indent along your right shoulder-top.
What's the mystery?
None I suppose it's just that all of the animations and recreations I've run into over complicate the placement of the wound IMO.
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see below
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Just for drill I decided I'd map JFK's shirt onto the back of a model of a man in 3d. I think this is the best way to eliminate any arguments about bunched clothing and wound location. The reasons why are:
- By mapping the shirt onto his back I'm basically eliminating 90-95% of any errors introduced by adding additional models of a shirt and jacket.
- Under his jacket, his dress shirt would conform to his body very close to his skin and so by replacing the model's skin with the shirt the wound location should be within fractions of an inch of the actual location.
- The "control" portions of the shirt are the outer seams and base of the yoke and the collar (to a lesser degree). The yoke is the least distorted section of the image of the shirt I used. I don't think the collar is fully extended in the image so don't be deceived by that.
I rendered 3 different images - placement 1 is what I think is the most accurate but I moved the shirt both up and down for 2 other placements. The numbers and the white and red areas are registration images used to align the original shirt.
Let me know what you think - I'll probably mess around with it some more unless there's no interest in the effort haha.
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47 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:
Dale seems to guard his copyrighted material very closely. (You can't even right-click or copy-and-paste any text off of his main website.)
But he has every right to be protective of the material that rightfully belongs to him.
Heck, I'm still awaiting that DVD release of "Secrets Of A Homicide" that Dale's video trailer said was supposed to be coming out in 2003.
A stock 3d model of a man isn't his copyrighted material. It's somebody else's which he had permission to use but not copyright himself. The animation is but the animation isn't needed to check if the model was modified to fit his theory. In fact he could post a screen shot of the model and I can tell in 3/10's of a nano second if the model has been modified.
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Nosed around a bit and found out via Phillip Agee's book (Inside the Company) that Herbert was ex-FBI and as Deputy Director of WH/CIA covered for Ned Holman (his old FBI comrade) who was COS in Montevideo. Herbert may have been tied in with a Northwoods type project in Venezuela trying to frame up Cuba for supplying arms to rebels there just prior to the JFKA.
I don't think Herbert was a alias.
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45 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:
There can’t be much doubt about it. And the value of that commodity appreciates significantly when you add the value of denial to the Block to the value of exploitation by the West.
Agreed. Astronomical multiplier and I don't think that overstates it.
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15 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
JIm Lesar told me after I did a speech about JFK and the Congo that he found CIA documents which said that they had secretly hired Skorzeny to work with the Katanga leadership.
These were Top Secret, the CIA did not want anyone to know about it.
What Dulles and McCloy started with getting guys like Gehlen and Barbie out of Germany was sickening. And the results were simply awful.
Of course. Just follow the Uranium. Like Ron stated Katanga was the home of the largest and highest grade Uranium deposit on Earth and if I were in intelligence then, that fact would be of primary concern to me. Tshombe controlled Katanga and I would imagine the CIA would have backed whoever had control of those deposits regardless of their politics or affiliations...
The Nazi's allegiance was unquestioned when it came to the Russians and so "the enemy of my enemy is my friend etc.." If you add it all up the CIA had all the hallmark ingredients of a sales pitch to just about any right leaning decision maker like Eisenhower that would dovetail nicely with other self-serving interests that Dulles likely had in mind. Commies, nukes, regional stability and those sorts of bullet points were an easy sale then and still are (maybe switch out Commies for Terrorists).
I'm sure Kennedy and Hammarskjokd had a liberal sensibility toward elevating the situation and Congolese independence out of the nineteenth century. That could of have been successful as far as the Commies, nukes and stability goes but would produce major forehead slaps regarding everything else. They had to take him out before it was too late.
I suppose I'm stating the obvious but to sum up I really think the Uranium is the key...
New Film Footage of Jack Ruby Surfaces
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Oh I think we know who would but they could have been Payne's I suppose. I'm more interested in the film they found which I think vanished???