Derek Thibeault

The redirect link is fine, brings you to the story. What a terribly written news article including using the name Farris and Ferris. I guess they don't have editors. Also, what's the point of the article? Is there a revolution to change the plaque and remove "allegedly"? I praise the historical commission that they actually are not definitive and shocked that the word is on the plaque. But that news story is garbage.

Did Marina sign the petition? She would be a big name.

Ok, Maybe I overreacted. I should assume positive intent.

I just saw in the Facebook group Fair Play for JFK that DVP copied the link to this particular forum on this topic. Is that appropriate? What's the point of doing that? That group seems more appropriate for his views on the assassination anyway so why be here? Just to gunk up further learning and thoughtful discussion?

I think it depends where you live. As a teen in the 80's I somehow(can't remember how)  got a copy of Henry Hurt's Reasonable Doubt and did a social studies report on how Oswald was innocent. Now my kids can take a Vietnam War course in High School, something I never had a chance to take. The offerings in our small city high school are surprisingly good, now they would never have an assassination class. The other issue is my kids won't take a class like that. College look at more of the science, math, English classes. they look at history classes as easy blow off classes. Which I do not agree with.

Alex Jones being on our side is a problem. He is just a performance artist/conman. He is everything wrong with the conspiracy community. People think we are nuts because of that. I think TV or film is the best medium to push it back into the nation's conscience by scholarly people.

We need a Netflix Documentary series. This could go on many seasons, each episode diving into different aspects of the case with debate from multiple angles, providing evidence and scholars. The Tippet case alone could be one full season. Netflix shows are hot and streaming is the big thing. Netflix and chill.

Clay Shaw.

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

I thought you posted this already Doug.  Am I wrong?

Yeah, I had posted the video. But now we have the link to some of the files. Pretty cool stuff. Thanks, Anthony for finding the link.

The Tippett case would make a great doc...focusing on it only. If Netflix can do 4 hours on Ted Bundy....it would be fantastic. Of course if done well.

40 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

Good! More worthless liars and scumbags!

In James DiEugenio's fantasy world, it was The World Vs. The Patsy.

Obligatory ------->

 

The DPD was corrupt. There are many examples including the doc The Thin Blue Line. Do you disagree?

Tippit being out of place and being nervous, stopping to make a call are the key items. Who was on the phone and why was he flustered? 

I need to find a copy of Joe's book. Leavelle seems like a bad guy.

Much cleaner with no Oswald. It tidies everything up, imagine the spotlight that case would have put on Dallas, would have been the trial of the century. Clears up the Tippett trial as well. DPD off the hook.

The combination of Will Fritz and DA Henry Wade made for the most corrupt system of justice may be in all of the US at that time. I'm not even sure they were working with the "killers" or "planners", this is just the way they ran Dallas. I wonder if they have living family and what they have said since. Sometimes what is said in the family is the truth. Wonder what they know. The killers picked the right city and the right police force.

15 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

This was the highest rated article at Kennedys and King last year.  And on Dave Giglio's Our Hidden History it has 35,000 views.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-tippit-case-in-the-new-millennium

I take no credit for any original work in that essay.  The lion's share goes to Joe McBride's book.

Great article, Reasonable Doubt was the first Kennedy Assassination book I read and it started me down this obsession with the case. Is Henry Hurt still alive? Has anyone discovered what happened to Clemmons? Did she truly just fall off the face of the earth, does she have living relatives?

Is the Tippett case always connected to the Kennedy Assassination when the cases are relooked at? Has there ever been an independent opening of this case only? If tried in court they would be separate.

LBJ was going to be dropped from the ticket. I wonder more it's what Hoover had on him that they could use against him. Hoover was probably getting fired as well. Harry Connick Jr. may have a great voice but I heard he has a temper, I know he got into some trouble with a gun or something a few years back.

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

A lot of this information is interesting.  But there are a couple of mistakes.

John says he does not know if Ted Cruz dad was named Miguel. Cruz' father is named Rafael not Miguel.

That picture at 8:37 is Shaw, it might be Ferrie, but it is not Oswald. 

The Federal Reserve Order was not what people say it was.  It was only a technical correction.  But Kennedy was trying to loosen up the flow of money, bypassing the Fed, through his currency comptroller James Saxon.

If Garrison told John that LBJ reversed Kennedy's Indochina policy within 48 hours that is amazing.  Because that did not come out until many years later.  And according to John Judge's mother, who worked at the Pentagon, the order to crank up troop deployments did come through very quickly after JFK's death.  I was not aware of that one. 

Where are these files going to be held at?  Baylor?  Rex Bradford?

 

Yeah surprised he got that wrong about Cruz's dad. I didn't think he was saying the picture was Oswald but I know in a lot of other places people say it is him but the picture is not even close to Oswald. I don't understand if he has access to these files why is he just doing mini videos and not getting them out for people to review. Or will he? Does this mean Destiny Betrayed 3rd edition will be on its way?

Not sure if anyone saw this video from John Barbour yesterday. He is talking about some released Garrison Files. Interesting video and I think John does a great job with his films on the case.

How did Frazier fare when analyzed with the PSE  from the book The Assassination Tapes? I know Oswald fared well, as in he was not determined to be lying.

How about answering why Sheilds stated that Frazier told him he dropped LHO off? Was that a lie?

30 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

You just made that up. Nothing you just said is true.

It's funny how many people are said to be LIARS in this case by CTers----EXCEPT Lee Harvey Oswald. He's a beacon of truth and honesty, per many CTers.

It's ridiculous.

It's my opinion based on what I have read...most of the evidence comes from 2 sources Frazier and Randle...I dont believe them. No one else saw Oswald with the bag.

Frazier dropped Oswald off in the front with his sack lunch, then he parked the car. No rifle. No walk in together with Oswald way out in front.

22 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Paul:

No one can review this book.  It is simply not possible to do so.

Mike LeFlem tried.  I tried.  And, going back over 20 years, no one has reviewed more books in this field than I have.  

The reason one cannot review this book is the same reason that Barr McClellan's book Blood Money and Power is almost unreviewable. Because, like that book, this is not a work of history, or to use a broader term, non-fiction. As Walt Brown said about the McClellan book, its a work of "faction".

For any responsible critic to deal with a book like this, it would take up so much time that it would not justify in any real way the value of this book.  But beyond that, the author deals with many key instances where the people involved are dead so they cannot be checked up on.

For instance, if one recalls, about 25 years ago there was the famous General Lebed in Russia.  Well, guess what? Fulton puts him in this book. He happens to meet him in Russia and what does Lebed wanted to talk to him about?  Sit down before I tell you.

Lebed wants to talk about the thesis of Ultimate Sacrifice--yep Juan Almeida and the coup in Cuba that Lamar Waldron and Tom Hartmann said the Kennedys were preparing.  (See p. 62)  Except Lebed makes up a different excuse for that whole wild C- Day scenario.  Wanna hear it?  Well, after the Missile Crisis, the Soviets left about a hundred tactical nukes on Cuba and Almeida was a way to go ahead and secure Cuba without atomic war. No joke.

Now,  I thought I would never hear something more bizarre than Ultimate Sacrifice. But, in just a few pages, Fulton manages to actually go beyond Waldron and Hartmann. The Waldron-Hartmann original thesis was so specious on its face that no one bought into it. And for good reason.  (Click here for my review https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/ultimate-sacrifice) But we are to think that Lebed did. Conveniently for Fulton Lebed passed on in 2002. 

This device is used throughout the book. For instance, there is a meeting earlier where  Robert White--who I knew--meets with former president Ronald Reagan alone. (pp. 20-23) Reagan goes on and on about the ARRB, about the Kennedys, about Oliver Stone and his movie and even more stuff that I don't even want to mention. He is a combination briefer and investigator.  Again, how convenient for Fulton that neither White nor Reagan are around today so no one can cross check it.

A large percentage of the book is like this.  There is simply no way to check on rather unusual events--or it would be very difficult to do so. There is a document section at the rear of the book but there is nothing there that certifies these kinds of meetings  described in the text.  And Bill Kelly is correct about the whole conversation with Bouck.  This one goes on for about four pages.  And the book has Bouck saying stuff in there that is simply wrong. Like the SS had possession of all the evidence on the night of the 22nd. ( p. 113) This is not accurate.  We know from Vince Drain that Hoover had shipped much of the evidence that night to the Bureau and the rest was held by the DPD. Fulton also has Bouck  say that RFK controlled the JFK autopsy.  Again, this is false.  (See Gary Aguilar's essay in Trauma Room One, pp 177-86) Need I add that Bouck died in 2004.

Robert White had what was probably the most extensive and valuable collection of Kennedy memorabilia ever assembled by one individual.  He spent a lot of time and a lot of money gathering these items, and I personally saw that memorabilia on more than one occasion.  The ARRB would quite naturally have been interested in interviewing him and in parts of his collection. 

The proliferation of books on the JFK case published in the last 20 years worries me.  There is a surfeit of them since today its easy to do. Hard for anyone to separate the wheat from the chaff. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with your last statement,  I rely on reviews to determine what is worthy to read. I don't want to read a book with the same info I already know. I had thought about picking this one up but it sounds like it's a no go. There is so many out there and only so much time. I am going to focus on getting Lisa's book and Joseph McBride's. Both respected and authorities on each of their subjects. I wish I would have read reviews on Mary's Mosiac, although it was a good read even if the info may be suspect.

2 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

In my book INTO THE NIGHTMARE, I quote my 1988 interview with Sen. Ralph Yarborough (D-Texas),

who was riding in the back seat of the convertible with LBJ and Lady Bird Johnson right behind

the Queen Mary. Among other things, Yarborough told me that Secret Service Agent Rufus Youngblood

did not jump over the seat, as LBJ later claimed, and that while the shots were fired, LBJ was crouching

to listen to Youngblood's walkie-talkie, which he wore on a strap over his shoulder in the front seat. Yarborough

said this about his reactions on hearing the shots, an account at variance with the extant version of the Zapruder film:

"The first shot I heard I thought was a rifle shot. The second shot, the motorcade almost came to a halt. They said later that the president‘s car slowed to something like five miles an hour. I wondered what the hell they were stopping for when somebody is shooting. People were jumping out of the car in front of me [the Secret Service followup car] and running to the president‘s car. I thought maybe somebody had thrown a bomb in there. The third shot I heard was a rifle shot."

 

Thanks Joe...I need to pick up a copy.