Tony Krome

16 hours ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

After reading 39 year old James Romack's testimony before the Warren Commission, I am persuaded that the general gist of what Romack alleged in the FBI document is correct.

5 minutes ago, Ray Mitcham said:

Probably, because he was safely holding his toddler son with his right hand, Tony.

Maybe, but still he said temple. If you read this whole thread, there is a couple of doctors and one priest that mention the left temple.

I just watched the very first interview with witness Bill Newman, and he points to his left temple

"hit the President in the side of his temple"

1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

Lawrence Orlov:

Steve, 

I'm looking into this guy as we speak, all info unverified, more research req.

Served during WW2 at Kelly Field, San Antonio

Also knew J Walton Moore (CIA)

Buried at Indiantown Gap National Cemetery, near Fort Indiantown Gap which was headquarters for Psychological Battalions (unknown if Orlov was directly connected but apparently his son William was possibly stationed there)

Siblings were into dress-making (Zapruder??) aka LeGon

Interview with Edward Jay Epstein;

Q. De Mohrenshildt became a good friend of Oswald's after Oswald returned from Russia. What did he tell you about him?

A. He arranged a good part of Oswald's life after Oswald returned from the Soviet Union in 1962, but said he never would have done so had he not been encouraged by a CIA officer in Dallas named J. Walter Moore.

So was the encouragement prior to meeting Oswald?

George De Mohrenshildt shot himself after the second day of a prearranged four-day interview with Epstein.

34 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

I do believe the Russians in this case had become "Americanized".  

One of which spoke to the Oswalds in Russian, the other with an obvious Russian surname.

I wonder if Oswald thought ... "Hey, these might be the guys the FBI warned me about the other day"

Mrs. OSWALD. The FBI visited us in Fort Worth when we lived on Mercedes Street.
Mr. RANKIN. Was that in August 1962?
Mrs. OSWALD. Probably.

Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know to what extent this was true, but Lee said that the FBI had told him that in the event some Russians might visit him and would try to recruit him to work for them, he should notify the FBI agents. 

Along comes a Russian born person;

Mr. JENNER. Where were you born? 
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. A town called Mozyr. 
Mr. JENNER. What country? 
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Russia; Czarist Russia. 

Mr. JENNER. Now, this brings us to the summer of 1962. 
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. 
Mr. JENNER. Now, in due course you met Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald. 
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. 

Who was with De MOHRENSCHILDT when he first met the Oswalds?

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Lawrence Orlov--he is an American, but he has a Russian name for some reason--maybe his great- grandfather came from Russia.

Are these guys the "Russians" the FBI warned Oswald about?

In any case, soon after, Oswald scored a cool job at JAGGERS-CHILES-STOVALL

23 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

There is evidence that Harvey briefly attended Antioch College in Ohio. Ruth Paine attended the same school, but earlier.  Both were probably associated with the CIA.   John believes that the story of when Harvey Oswald met Ruth Paine is a lie.  He thinks he knew her probably since the mid-1950s.  John thinks Harvey had his paycheck sent to the Paine residence in Irving.

So what you are saying is that when Oswald wrote a letter to Leslie Welding, the letter contained the address of Ruth Paine??

It follows that when Ruth Paine received Oswald's pay check in the mail, she knew that Leslie Welding had a written record of her address.

So the Central Intelligence Agency ran the risk that Bargas would not reveal that document before the WC??

11 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Geeminy...that sure does look like a young Dubya.

It appears that teenage person has emerged from TSBD main entry area.

5 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

We know Oswald’s residence for most of this time frame, and it wasn’t in Irving.

Please nominate the date range you believe relates to Irving (1962)

Mr. JENNER. And how long have you been employed or associated with Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall?
Mr. GRAEF. About 10 or 11 years; perhaps a little longer.

Mr. JENNER. Looking at Commission Exhibit No. 427 again, would you identify the handwriting and block printing on this Exhibit 427, if you can?
There appears the word "terminated" with the date 4-6-63, which I assume is April 6, 1963?
Mr. GRAEF. Yes.

"501 Elm is place that processed photo" ... Not sure where that came from

15 minutes ago, Stephanie Goldberg said:

You're right, of course.  He left Dallas before the assassination.  But Nixon was in Dallas that day, and many people consider him to be a nefarious character.  

And, yes, it is wild how many presidents (including future ones, of course) were in Dallas that day.

And a future President (Gerald Ford) was appointed to the Warren Commission by LBJ, who, on the 11/22/63, was also a future President and President in Dallas that day

If Bargas is correct, it's looking like the missing address below is somewhere in Irving;

Mrs. OSWALD. I know that for---at first, for some time he stayed at the YMCA, but later he rented an apartment, but I don't know at what address. Because in the letters which he wrote me, the return address was a post office box.

Mr. RANKIN. Can you give us any more exact account of where your husband stayed in the period between October 10 and November 18, 1962?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember his exact address. This was a period when I did not live with him.
 

1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:

Bush was not nefarious.  So if the standard is a nefarious simply in Dallas, ok, go research .. you start with a list of all prisoners in Dallas.  Its not really relevant but....

You may not think Bush was nefarious, but Robert Wheeler who posted his name thinks so. I see Richard Nixon is on the list too ...

Nefarious;

adjective [usually ADJECTIVE noun]

If you describe an activity as nefarious, you mean that it is wicked and immoral.

In a sentence;

No wonder British journalists resort to nefarious means to get information that in other countries is freely available.Times, Sunday Times (2006)

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/nefarious

3 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

Who was the copper going there?

The copper is Barnett

Right now, I don't believe a word of that Romack document. Barnett does not mention talking to or seeing anyone when he ran up Houston to the north/east corner of the TSBD. Even more damning for Romack is that Barnett beleived no-one else was watching the building;

Mr. LIEBELER - So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire escape? 
Mr. BARNETT - I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up. I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the building. 

Mr. BARNETT - Yes; but there was no sign they were going into the building or watching the building, so I decided I was the only one watching the building. 

3 minutes ago, Cory Santos said:

Bush was in Dallas that morning.  He left Dallas to attend a speech.  I have yet to see any evidence he was in Dealey at the time of assassination.  Lets stick to provable facts.

The topic title is;

List Of Nefarious Characters Possibly Present In Dallas on 11,22,1963

Nothing in the first topic post mentions Dealey Plaza or the time of the assassination, so Bush fits the criteria

31 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

I wanted to have him further away, because a rifle for him was not a very good toy---a toy that was too enticing.

So we took the rifle down to New Orleans .....

McClelland was told before he stood at the head of the table;

McClelland; Dr. Jenkins, when I came in the room, told me as I walked by to come up to the head of the table and he said , Bob, there's a wound in the left temple there.

Jenkins has the left temple in mind;

Dr. JENKINS to Specter; I asked you a little bit ago if there was a wound in the left temporal area, right above the zygomatic bone in the hairline because there was blood there and I thought there might have been a wound there (indicating).

So McClelland sees Jenkin's finger over the temporal area, which may be the left as mentioned above;

Dr. JENKINS to Dr. John Lattimer; Dr. Robert N. McClelland, a member of the surgical staff who arrived in the trauma room after resuscitation efforts were well under way, asked me what were the President's injuries. Evidently, just as I answered, '...and a gunshot wound to his head,' I moved my left hand so as to place my left middle finger on the President's temporal artery in feeling for a pulse. Dr. McClelland tells me he thought I moved my hand there and with a finger indicated the site of a bullet entrance

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

No such wound was observed at Parkland, Ron. I've studied all the statements of all the Parkland doctors, and none of them said they saw a small entrance wound by the temple. 

My notes from years back;

Dr. Robert McClelland told the ARRB that Dr. Marion Thomas "Pepper" Jenkins told him; "Bob, there's a wound in the left temple"

McClelland reported a gunshot wound to the left temple;

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=551&tab=page

McClelland then recounts a later conversation with "Pepper" Jenkins;

I said Pepper, don't you remember?

No, I never said that, Bob, and I never said the cerebellum fell out.

Well, yes, you did, too

Also;

Dr. Ronald Coy Jones told the ARRB that Neurosurgeon Lito Puerto told him in reference to a shot in the left temple "I put my finger in the hole"

44 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Pretty amazing ain't it?  Read earlier that Martello was (one of) Bannister's informants on the New Orleans Police Department.  Interesting. 

Wasn't Bannister former FBI? 

So the alleged FBI informant Oswald hands out flyers that reveals 544 Camp St, a building that Bannister also worked in. That was August 9th 1963, the day of Oswald's arrest

Sounds like an anti-FBI thing to do

25 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Carr clearly talks about a door on the side of the building.  Doesn't seem to be one.  Isn't the loading dock on the north face of the TSBD?   

Carr does not mention a TSBD side door in the Shaw Trial testimony, he said side entrance. There are steps on the Houston side of the TSBD that lead to the loading dock entrance. From where he was looking, it would appear to be a side entrance.

43 minutes ago, John Butler said:

I really don't see any doors at all on any floor.  I guess if there was a fire they would just crawl out the window.  That's really cheap.

This puts the kibosh on Richard Carr and a side door unless they crawled out a window.  The back of the TSBD looks better as the escape route for the conspirators.  Speculation often leads to useful information.  The important point is the eventual truth.

I might ask if one had this type of information why wasn't it shown earlier?  And, what is its source? 

Carr would have been referring to the loading dock side entrance further north

"why wasn't it shown earlier?"

You might be in a different time zone. I looked for the file after I woke up, then uploaded it. I was posting earlier from memory

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

"I'm trying to help".  Really?

I have looked at all the photos of the TSBD, Houston Street side, I can locate, and this is the only image that has anything like a door in the glass block décor that is shown on the Elm and Houston Street sides.  There are no doors shown on the 1st floor plan in Truly's or Shelley's offices.  They do show the fire escape in Truly's office at the mid-window position.  This is about where the door image is in this photo. 

There appears to be a door there.  If that's just an illusion then Richard Carr's statement about men leaving from a side door on Houston Street won't hold water.  It could be the lower part of the fire escape structure there.  Others say the steps on the fire escape were not lowered.  The Hughes film may show the fire escape stairs lowered to Houston Street.

But, there appears to be a door there.  For the time being I am going to go with a door and Richard Carr's statements.  I don't mind changing my mind if clearer evidence is shown to indicate there is no door there.

2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

 

Memorandum

 

jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/.../Item%2006.pdf

 

 

Quigley waited until February of 1964 to ask Martello why he thought Oswald wanted to talk to an FBI agent?

Steve Thomas

 

An arrested person asks for the FBI and the cop doesn't ask why? 

4 hours ago, John Butler said:

Or, if Richard Carr can be trusted out through the fire escape door from the middle office (Roy Truly?) on the 1st floor to the sidewalk on Houston Street.

I've been trying to help you, there is no door on the first floor, east side, under the fire escape, No exits from Truly or Shelley's office to the Houston St side.

Access to the fire escape appears to be from the 2nd floor to the 7th floor only