Tony Krome

2 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Once again I didn't say there was!  Can you read? 

Didn't you write this?

 I think you can see a door under the fire escape in this photo.  It is very vague.  It appears to be under the fire escape.

40 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

In 1996 Tanenbaum testified at an ARRB hearing in Los Angeles by saying, "the Attorney General of Texas, Henry Wade the District Attorney and Leon Jaworsky counsel to the Attorney General, on the transcript spoke to the Chief Justice and said in substance, as I recall, that they had information from unimpeachable sources that Lee Harvey Oswald was a contract employee of the CIA and the FBI."

Do you know of any other persons that simultaneously worked for both agencies?

Do you believe that each agency knew that Oswald was working for the other?

4 minutes ago, John Butler said:

I didn't say there was.  This would be the exit to Houston Street.

BTW, What evidence do you use to say that what Carr said about two men and the picket fence is wrong and did not happen?

There is no door under the fire escape

When Carr said;

"I saw these people come out from behind the School Book Depository and I am going to try to make this clear to you so where you can understand it, from where I was at I could not tell whether they came out this side entrance here, there is a side entrance to the School Book Depository, or whether they came from behind it, but they came either from the side entrance or they came from behind it, and got into this station wagon."

If in fact Carr saw the same two men run from the picket fence to Houston, he would be certain that they ran around the rear of the TSBD and onto Houston. In the above, he is uncertain as to whether they were actually inside the building or not when they appeared on Houston.

I can't imagine two baddies entering the west side of the TSBD from the picket fence, run through the building to exit the side entrance to appear on Houston

11 minutes ago, John Butler said:

I think you can see a door under the fire escape in this photo.  It is very vague.  It appears to be under the fire escape.  This could be the entrance Carr talks about.  I can't see providing the company bosses a fire escape exit without also providing one on the 1st floor.

There is no entrance to the basement under the fire escape

9 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Oswald was surely a CIA agent of some sort, but we’ve also known since 1965 that he had been on the FBI payroll and still was the day JFK was murdered.  The source of this information was none other than WC member and future U.S. President Gerald Ford:

The Texas officials slipped into the nation’s capital with complete anonymity.  They met with Lee Rankin and other members of the staff and told what they knew. The information was that Lee Oswald was actually hired by the FBI; that he was assigned the undercover-agent number 179; that he was on the FBI payroll at two hundred dollars a month starting in September 1962 and that he was still on their payroll the day he was apprehended in the Texas Theatre after having gunned down Officer J.D. Tippit!

--Gerald Ford and John Styles, Portrait of the Assassin, p. 14, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1965

Who were the "Texas officials" ?

Q. What would be the best way to blow one's cover as an FBI informant? 

A. Ask for a an FBI agent to roll up at a Police Station to speak with him.

Q. How did Oswald react to FBI presence on the 22nd November?

A, With hostility

Q. Who was Oswald and family associating with in Dallas during 1963? Were they linked more so to the FBI or the CIA??

A. Not the FBI

3 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Thanks again to Bart for that important Garrison doc apparently dictated by Penn Jones, but I'm getting confused.  Why is there no mention of anyone behind a wooden fence in Carr's testimony at the Shaw trial prosecuted by Garrison? 

Because he never saw that;

Shaw Trial;

Carr: "I saw these people come out from behind the School Book Depository and I am going to try to make this clear to you so where you can understand it, from where I was at I could not tell whether they came out this side entrance here, there is a side entrance to the School Book Depository, or whether they came from behind it, but they came either from the side entrance or they came from behind it, and got into this station wagon."

I'd say Penn misinterpreted

On 4/4/2019 at 8:39 PM, Jim Hargrove said:

My bet is that as soon as he began to realize what he was up against, he started singing.  “Hey, I’m a U.S. intelligence agent, and I’m on the FBI payroll.  Just call Mr. [fill in the blank].

Maybe he should have yelled that out to the press instead of his famous "patsy" line

44 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

7 hours ago, Ray Mitcham said:

The cop shown in Altgens5 is Edgar Leon Smith. According to Officer Barnett, he was standing in front of the South East corner of the TSBD. The other cop also named Smith was standing at the corner in front of the Daltex building.

This is what I have. A little complex but it was tough getting all 3 corners and cops into one scene

Click on the image for more detail, it's a big file

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

He does resemble Milteer.  But the pictures seem to be of a different aged man.  One picture is well blurred, the other a good bit clearer.  Then the balding vs hair, parted.  Maybe he was wearing a toupee in the second picture.  I've long thought it was him between the resemblance and his "from an office building with a high powered rifle" advance statement.  He had prior knowledge somehow, hated JFK, and wanted to be there to see it.  JMO. 

Yep, hair is different, although my hair disappeared within a few years : (

Tough call and unprovable either way ... I think I'll sit on the fence

3 minutes ago, Cory Santos said:

Your analysis, while interesting, still is not proof its not him.  Is it your research or did you read it somewhere?

Not mine, that's from McAdams who attempts to debunk the claim. I think he resembles Milteer

46 minutes ago, Cory Santos said:

Hey, it Enrique Palazzo...

Oh wait, no its Milteer.

An LNer's perspective;

But the height of the spectator provided even more conclusive evidence:

The only available height record of Milteer gives his stature as 64 inches. This corresponds to about the seventh statural percentile of American males. That is, about 93 out of 100 adult American men would be taller than Milteer. Also, about 35 percent of adult American females would exceed Milteer's reported height. In contrast, the spectator alleged to be Milteer is taller than 4 of the 7 other males and all of the 16 females in the line of spectators shown in the motorcade photograph. Based upon Milteer's reported height, the probability of randomly selecting a group of Americans where so many are shorter than Milteer's reported height is .0000007. Moreover, an analysis based upon actual measurements of certain physical features shown in the photograph yields a height estimate for the spectator of about 70 inches — 6 inches taller than Milteer's reported stature. (HSCA Volume 6, pp. 242-257)

In short: the spectator wasn't Milteer. He didn't even particularly look like Milteer.

2 hours ago, John Butler said:

He altered the whole image of the presidential limousine by substituting an image of the presidential limousine from another circumstance. 

I always thought the reflection off the Limo trunk matched the pattern on the side of the building 

Doesn't that mean the Limo is actually there??

43 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Although hard to do, I have to agree with Ron Bulman.  What's your point?

I've been shown photo edited photos of the Altgens 5 tire.  I've been shown photos of tires.  I'll repeat, there is no way to get around the tire alteration seen in the Altgens 5 photo.

Have you forgotten the main point of this thread in your fascination with tires? 

Once again what is your point without short or long winded distractions?

I've been responding to a post you started regarding tyres;

BTW, I haven't photo edited any tyre, I've removed the shadow of the tyre caused by the sidewall bulge, so that the actual tyre shape can be seen. 

In the middle photo below, you can see a similar sidewall bulge shadow because the sun is in a similar angle to the tyre. On the left side photo, you can just make out a smaller sidewall bulge shadow caused by a different sun angle

Can you please explain why a photo editor would bother altering a tyre in the first place? Nothing happened on that corner, otherwise Hill would have reacted a hell of a lot sooner than halfway down Elm St.

1 hour ago, Ray Mitcham said:

Quite right, Tony. I wonder if it might have anything to do with the weight of the limo.😀

It's like my old man used to say after a puncture; "It's only flat on the bottom" ; )

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

Hmmm?  More photo editing.  That tire looks like it is out of round.  Looks kind of triangular in the rear part near the pavement.  Would it roll correctly looking like that. Would it go wrrr thump wrrr thump wrrr thump wrrr thump or something like that?

The Limo tyres do look out of round and show angular aspects near the pavement

8 hours ago, John Butler said:

The Altgens 7 crop (excluding shadows since this is on Elm Street) tire is what the Altgens 5 tire should look like.

 

Here's what I see;

12 hours ago, John Butler said:

 

The real problem of this photo is why alter it?   Everything else shows that there is no problems in this section of the intersection of Houston and Main.  I have no evidence other than this alteration to suggest something happened here.  No one believes the Muchmore or Williams statement of shooting there.  The crowds along Houston and Main are about as heavy as anywhere else shown in photos.  To have just two people of those groups of people reporting shooting there is suspect.     

Wasn't there a bunch of cops outside the Sheriff's office on Main/Houston including Roger Craig? 

Craig wasn't shy in stating what actually happened, so what do you make of that?

1 minute ago, Ray Mitcham said:

Thanks Tony. Won't make any difference to Mr Magoo, though. 

I had to research it, as it did look a little strange at first. I found quite a few tyres like it with the sun in that certain position, and it showed the same characteristics, so what I did was place my thumb over the "bulge" at the the bottom of the tyre, and then i could see the tyre as it should be. It was an optical illusion, so I simply removed the shadow to illustrate it

19 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Are you suggesting that no one was shooting from the TSBD?  Do you think Brennan, Euins, Jackson, Couch and undoubtedly others were lying about seeing a rifle in the window?  Do you think those witnesses riding in the same car who heard Dallas Times photographer Robert Jackson contemporaneously say to them that he saw a rifle in the sixth floor window were also lying?  And those guys on the fifth floor who heard the shots and the shells hitting the floor immediately above them were making it all up?

See those agents on the right side running board of the Queen Mary. How many feet were their ears away from any super sonic bullets?

The very first sound those ears would have heard, would have been the crack or whip of a bullet, a split second before the sound of the rifle itself. Below is that sound from downrange;

Doesn't sound like a cherry bomb or fireworks

In previous topics, I've suggested the shooter seen by witnesses on the 6th floor was there to be seen. I also believe he let off at least one round, but no where near the Limo

A professional sniper, in my opinion, would not have been witnessed by so many

8 hours ago, Ray Mitcham said:

This Roberdeaus' Dealey Plaza sketch showing the field of view of Altgens 6. (from the objects shown in the photo)Note that neither the Stemmons Street sign or the Thornton Sign are within the field of view shown. (The Stemmons Street sign has an arrow pointing to it.) Just click on to enlarge to see in more detail.

 

Hi Ray,

This might help

6 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

"Grab himself and lurch forward to the left."  Z film =  raising hands to grab at his throat, then leaning slightly forward from the back shot before back and to the left? 

Did any Parkland doctor mention a back wound?

10 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

Oh I am not sure any shots had actually hit him before the throat wound. It would seem that at least one shot was fired - and missed - before the throat wound. Of course, since the limo was out of Zapruder’s sight behind the sign for a moment, it is possible the president had already received his back wound by Z - 225, when it re- emerges. But that is just a possibility, not a certainty.

If you wish to use the Zapruder film as a reference, the first sound that Hill heard and the frontal neck shot occurred while the Limo was behind the Stemmons sign.