Bill Fite

44 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Alexei Navalny sentenced to nine years in the Gulag-- after surviving a KGB assassination attempt by poisoning.

Remember when Trump insisted that any investigation of Navalny's poisoning needed to be conducted by Russia?

 

yep.... remember this?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4485932/user-clip-bush-trusts-putin

16 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

 

Anyone here hunters? Can they weigh in whether shots to the heads of their game targets replicated to any similar degree the dynamics of JFK's head shot?

Not a hunter, but I've been watching  World War 2 documentaries on YouTube.

Some have horrific films of executions and/or mass executions.

In all cases I've seen, when victims are shot in the back of the head they fall forward.

German soldiers lined up kneeling victims facing massed graves then shot them in the back of the head and they fall forward into the grave, not backwards onto the executioner's boots from a jet effect.

Are there any other murder / attempted murder cases where a private agent was allowed to purchase and hold  original evidence (films, photos, weapons, forensic evidence, etc.) while the investigation was ongoing?

6 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

After the assassination Sirhan's defence lawyer was Grant Cooper who coincidently was also representing mobster Johnny Roselli.  Sirhan's other defence lawyer Russell Parsons was a noted mob attorney who had once been investigated by RFK back in the McClennan Rackets Committee days.  This same Committee in March '59  smelled a rat in the relationship between the LAPD & Mickey Cohen.  Little wonder that Sirhan's original defence team never questioned LAPD's claim that Sirhan shot RFK & never used the autopsy/ballistic/eye-witness evidence in court to challenge the charges.

This is mind-boggling to me.

2 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

Why would the masterminds have gone to all this trouble? They would surely have worked out a far more obvious and straightforward way to achieve their goal:

1. Of the millions of US servicemen who possessed a genuine American background, we'll find one with a talent for learning languages.
2. We'll allow him to learn Russian to the required level, and provide whatever tuition is necessary.

That's it.

(1) It's not just finding one serviceman with a talent for learning languages.  It has to be one with that talent and willing to defect and passing security checks, etc.  That would cut the millions down to some significantly lower number. Guessing it would be lower than 100.

(2) Russian is not as easy to learn as French, Spanish, Italian etc. It has a different alphabet and pronunciations.  In fact, isn't it one of the most difficult to learn? This also makes the recruitment more difficult and the pool smaller.

(3) I remember seeing an old 60 minutes show, back in the 70s or 80s, where it was stated that languages are most easily learned by children.  The difficulty learning a new language increases significantly after the age of 12.  I remember this because we didn't start until age 16 in high school and I remember how difficult it was.  

(4) I assume that the eligible population of servicemen would probably be also limited by the number of career service members who would be ruled out so the original millions would probably be down to the 100Ks or so on their first enlistment.  It would be an easier sell as a defector than a career person.

(5) Assuming we find a handful of candidates from the reduced pool:

• It takes 48 weeks of intensive instruction for Russian
• https://www.dliflc.edu/about/languages-at-dliflc/
• Some might drop out or flunk out

So it seems to me it would be a lot more difficult to do this way than implied by - all we have to do is find one from the 3 million service members and not so obvious or straightforward.

1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:

To Bill's question,  in 1962 there was an abortive effort to set up a training camp in Louisiana,  Sturgis and David Ferrie and others were involved but that plan fell apart after the missile crisis and with the administration crackdown on exile missions.  In the summer of 1962 there was a minor effort to take some volunteers to a place outside New Orleans and give them some minimal training before shipping them out to Central America...that camp collapsed following an FBI raid on a McClaney farm in the same area where explosives and other materials were being collected for a very separate bombing mission against Cuba.  The two 1963 activities are often confabulated into one "camp" but the details on all three "camps" are in my books.

While in jail in New Orleans Oswald did request to meed with a specific, subversive activities division FBI officer but instead a regular staff person was sent to meet with him.

As to Chicago, way to long to go into here but the "Lee" aspect was investigated and found to have no validity by the HSCA....one man, Vallee, was reported as a  threat by someone he made hostile remarks to about JFK while eating breakfast at a bowling alley diner; the second threat was apparently routed to the Secret Service by the FBI in regard to people they felt might be hostile to JFK and who were traveling to Chicago.  People were picked up and questioned but beyond that they were not arrested, no weapons were seized and they were released within 24 hours.

Thanks for the info!

Somewhere along the line... I remember reading the following among other things:

• Sometime in the 1960s LHO was seen at an Anti-Castro Training Camp in LA
• The FBI raided the camp and shut it down
• After being arrested in New Orleans, LHO met with an FBI agent while in jail
• Someone who identified himself as 'Lee' tipped off the SS to the Chicago plot

Not sure of the timeline above.

Are these points correct?

Could LHO have been not only a convenient patsy, but an actual secondary target? - killing 2 birds w one stone?

11 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

BTW, this is the best review of JFK:Revisited I have read yet.  Morley's dismissal is Alecia Long is especially trenchant. 

 

I especially liked this line and section:

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A Straw Man 

In a sustained attack on Stone in the Washington Post, professor Alecia Longargued that Garrison’s investigation was motivated by homophobia. Shaw was a closeted gay man and Garrison used his private life to smear him, she contends in a new book. Long’s unsubtle implication is that anyone who believes Kennedy was killed by his enemies is an ignorant bigot prone to QAnon-type fantasies.

If Long thinks that Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Charles De Gaulle and Fidel Castro were deluded fabulists driven by homophobia, her argument is unconvincing, if not totally wrong.

The truth that Long and other critics are loathe to acknowledge is that plenty of serious political observers rejected the Warren Commission’s conclusion, not because they were ignorant or misinformed or hateful but because they knew more than the investigators and the general public.

 

6 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

I agree. They are the last of the ills we need to worry about. It astounds me that some citizens believe this was the day the USA almost lost democracy. Nobody can explain how that rabble was to take over the army, navy, airforce, cia, fbi, national guard, nsa etc etc. It’s a fantasy that is born of fear and propaganda. 
 

If we really want to know when democracy was lost, it was probably:

22 Nov 63 or between the 20th and 30th Nov 1910. 

I disagree Jan 6 was significant and far from the least of the things to worry about. It was an attempted coup by Trump. The mob were only pieces in the plan. They didn't have to take over the armed forces, just subvert the Constitutional process of certifying the election then in the chaos that would follow take their chances on the outcome, a Supreme Court decision in their favor or a military action supporting them.

23 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

The average age of a Covid death in the UK is 82.5. The average mortality age in general is 81 (UK).

Sorry to ask - but what's the point of these 2 averages?

8 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Bill F.

Gadzooks, your commentary is frightening. But perhaps not for the reasons you think.

It sounds like the CIA-national security state is ginning up reasons to declare martial law in the US, and take control of all media!

"Barbara F. Walter, a political science professor at the University of California at San Diego and a member of the CIA’s Political Instability Task Force, says America is dangerously close to civil war."

And what is the upshot of this? Well, obviously, if one contemplates a bona-fide civil war, and deaths to make C19 look like a picnic, then control of the M$M and social media is warranted. And lots of police-state actions and troops on the street. 

And why would there be "lethal chaos" inside the US military, following the 2024 election? If our military can be turned into "lethal chaos" by a national election...egads, we should all move offshore (I already have, but for other reasons). 

I will say this: The conditions that create anger in the US started 50-60 years ago, when the US sold the employee class down the river, with de facto open borders for people and goods.

The goal of the globalists, which was achieved, was to make labor cheap (I love everybody, and understand why desperate people want to come to US.)

Believe me, the same thing happens in Singapore, Thailand and Malaysia. There are huge latex glove factories in Malaysia, where workers live in barracks-dorms and put in 12 hours a day, and are imported from Burma, or Pakistan. 

When C19 hit and borders were closed, the Malaysian factory owners whined "no one wants to do the work."  Globalization is the path to lower wages. 

There are other problems in the US, such as property zoning and consequent housing shortages, or $1.2 trillion annually to pay for a hyper-mobilized, mercenary global guard service for multinationals.

The Biden Administration is going to pass an all-time record high Department of Defense bill. 

You think those 600 half-wits who occupied the Capitol are the problem? That is what M$M wants you to think.  Fine, send the Trumpers packing. 

You will have knocked a pilot fish off the shark....

 

 

to answer your question -

You think those 600 half-wits who occupied the Capitol are the problem?  

No, I don't.  I think there are multiple causes of today's problems.

meanwhile -- from https://www.blueridgemuse.com/node/62540

With a week left before Christmas, we face a time when COVID-19 is surging again, along with increases in hospitalizations and deaths. Mother Nature is laying waste to parts of America, particularly in the Midwest, and now we are now learning America is closer than ever to civil war.

Say what? Say three retired generals of our armed forces. They warn that the military must prepare for a massive, violent insurrection in 2024.

In a newspaper OpEd, retired Army major generals Paul D. Eaton, Antonio M. Taguva, and brigadier general Steven Anderson write:

As we approach the first anniversary of the deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, we — all of us former senior military officials — are increasingly concerned about the aftermath of the 2024 presidential election and the potential for lethal chaos inside our military, which would put all Americans at severe risk.

In short: We are chilled to our bones at the thought of a coup succeeding next time.

They are not alone. Barbara F. Walter, a political science professor at the University of California at San Diego and a member of the CIA’s Political Instability Task Force, says America is dangerously close to civil war.

She adds:

We are closer to civil war than any of us would like to believe. No one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline, or headed toward war, but, if you were an analyst in a foreign country looking at events in America — the same way you’d look at events in Ukraine or the Ivory Coast or Venezuela — you would go down a checklist, assessing each of the conditions that make civil war likely. And what you would find is that the United States, a democracy founded more than two centuries ago, has entered very dangerous territory.

Walter’s book, How Civil Wars Start is considered a “must-read” by those who study and monitor instability around the world. In her career, she has studied conflicts in Syria, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Rwanda, Angola, Nicaragua and other hot spots and concludes that the same conditions that brought civil wars there are flourishing in today’s America.

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Bill,

   I don't think I've ever met a Democrat who wanted to be a Republican.  Have you?

well W, that was back in the 80s.

I'd say now - a lot of them have made the transition to 80s Republicanism, while the Republicans have moved way farther over there to the right.

But that's just my opinion.

14 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

W.-

 

I think Noam Chomsky is a bit of an academic, without leavening experience in working in government and in the private sector. 

But he is a smart guy. Here is what he says:

In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population.

Noam Chomsky

I always liked another smart guy's summary of the 2 parties:

"The Republicans stand for nothing but unmitigated greed and evil wrapped in the American flag.

The Democrats stand for nothing but wanting to be Republicans"

That guy was the late great Frank Zappa.

Thanks for posting this..  Really interesting.

https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1447609571103567873?s=20

30 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Let's not forget that they were major cheerleaders for our misguided invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

Speaking of major cheerleaders - let's not forget "Afghanistan Day" when Ronnie feted his "freedom fighters" in the WhiteHouse.  Any of these guys look familiar?

The first time I heard this I looked on YouTube for examples of modern guns smoking since I've only fired weapons in the Army a long time ago. So, the first few seconds should suffice as examples or go to 1:42.  Unless the ammunition was. specially set up to smoke .   

Lots of smoke from rifles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIhrUNdPFls

Thanks for this - the two people I wish were still around to hear what they think and their commentary are Thompson and Zappa.

There's an interesting interview on YouTube - Zappa the Lost Interview where he comments on US history, the assassinations in the 60s among other topics.

I watched JFK's news conferences with my grandmother after  school when he was president.  He was incredibly impressive to me.

I was 10 almost 11 when JFK was murdered.

I read the Life magazine articles and must have read something saying it was a conspiracy.  I was ridiculed by some in school for saying so the next year.

Later, I started to think that maybe it was just a case of a lucky shot or shots.

In the 1980s I went to Dallas for a professional conference.  There was a post registration cocktail in the Reunion? Tower.  I looked out the window and felt a sick feeling then realized I was looking down on Dealey Plaza.  Same feeling when I drove through it the first time not knowing until I saw the triple overpass that I was in the Plaza.

When the 50th anniversary of the murder came around I decided to look into it as I was traveling on a weekly basis and needed something to read.  Several of the books and the 50 Reasons for 50 Years series from Len Osanic have convinced me that more than 1 person was involved.

I then participated in a discussion on the Film discussion boards of the StL Post Dispatch, where the late Joe Williams had turned a discussion about the movie JFK into a long running discussion about the murder which reinforced my belief in the probability of conspiracy through researching claims and answers to questions on the net.

there's also a report from the Dallas Morning News of the warning:

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The Dallas Morning News reported that a man had run alongside Kennedy’s limousine a few minutes before the assassination, shouting a warning before being tackled by Secret Service agents from the followup car to Vice President Johnson’s vehicle,

McBride, Joseph. Into the Nightmare: My Search for the Killers of President John F. Kennedy and Officer J. D. Tippit (p. 524). Hightower Press. Kindle Edition. 

I always wondered why no one searched for this man.

Interesting article... thanks

Here's one from France with the key sentence translated.

from 74e Festival de Cannes - Oliver Stone revisite son «JFK» revisité: «Si Kennedy n’avait pas été assassiné, le monde vivrait plus en paix»

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Oliver Stone redétricote le rapport de la commission Warren mise sur pied à l’époque et démontre toutes ses incohérences, toutes ses contradictions, tous ses oublis aussi. Et conclut, plus convaincu que jamais, au complot de la CIA.

translated:

Oliver Stone unravels the WC report from the beginning of the epoch and demonstrates all its incoherencies, contradictions and omissions.  And concludes more convinced than ever that it was a CIA plot.

Thanks for posting the review, Joe.

I've always wondered about the 2 men LHO said were in the lunch room when he was eating his lunch there.  Did they ever say anything one way or another?