Jack White Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operativesof varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead them to happily kill Jack. Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close friends or family members. I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%). I find this resolution in the following: THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock BROTHERS, by David Talbot Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes): -LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON -J. EDGAR HOOVER -WILLIAM K. HARVEY -DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS -DAVID MORALES -E. HOWARD HUNT -FRANK STURGIS -GERRY P. HEMMING -ED LANDSDALE -EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER -GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY -JOSEPH MILTEER -HL HUNT -NELSON BUNKER HUNT -BOBBY BAKER -JACK RUBY -DAVID FERRIE -CLAY SHAW -GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH -EMERY ROBERTS -JOHNNY ROSELLI -JIMMY HOFFA -RAY HARGRAVES -PENTAGON -CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES -FBI -DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT -JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY -SECRET SERVICE Possible perps: -Clint Murchison -Richard Nixon -John Rousselot -J.D. Tippit -Roscoe White -Cord Meyer -James Angleton -William Pawley -John McCloy -Allen Dulles -Earle Cabell -SA Kellerman -SA Greer -Lamar Hunt -Jesse Curry -Bill Decker -Carlos Marcello -Charles Nicoletti -Sam Giancana -Eugene Hale Brading -Ted Shackley -Lucien E. Conein -Alfredo Duran -Rip Robertson -John O'Hare -Danny Arce -Boris Pash -Orlando Bosch (I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.) ...The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba. A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the patsy was captured alive. How come they couldn't go ahead and blame Cuba & invade after Ruby killed Oswald? In spite of having to log in again just to send a message... EXCELLENT LIST OF PERPS. Some of them are very underinvestigated...particularly for instance: George Herbert Walker Bush J. D. Tippit Roscoe White I have reason to believe that Roscoe was much more involved than what is generally known. I think he was CIA, and placed on the DPD to do certain assignments related to framing LHO. I believe Tippit's activities and death are a key to what really happened. If we knew WHAT REALLY HAPPENED at Tenth and Patton, we might understand the plot. I believe Bush Elder was involved, but he has always been in a position to keep everything hidden. The people behind GHWB are the people behind the plot. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operativesof varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead them to happily kill Jack. Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close friends or family members. I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%). I find this resolution in the following: THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock BROTHERS, by David Talbot Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes): -LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON -J. EDGAR HOOVER -WILLIAM K. HARVEY -DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS -DAVID MORALES -E. HOWARD HUNT -FRANK STURGIS -GERRY P. HEMMING -ED LANDSDALE -EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER -GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY -JOSEPH MILTEER -HL HUNT -NELSON BUNKER HUNT -BOBBY BAKER -JACK RUBY -DAVID FERRIE -CLAY SHAW -GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH -EMERY ROBERTS -JOHNNY ROSELLI -JIMMY HOFFA -RAY HARGRAVES -PENTAGON -CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES -FBI -DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT -JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY -SECRET SERVICE Possible perps: -Clint Murchison -Richard Nixon -John Rousselot -J.D. Tippit -Roscoe White -Cord Meyer -James Angleton -William Pawley -John McCloy -Allen Dulles -Earle Cabell -SA Kellerman -SA Greer -Lamar Hunt -Jesse Curry -Bill Decker -Carlos Marcello -Charles Nicoletti -Sam Giancana -Eugene Hale Brading -Ted Shackley -Lucien E. Conein -Alfredo Duran -Rip Robertson -John O'Hare -Danny Arce -Boris Pash -Orlando Bosch (I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.) ...The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba. A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the patsy was captured alive. How come they couldn't go ahead and blame Cuba & invade after Ruby killed Oswald? In spite of having to log in again just to send a message... EXCELLENT LIST OF PERPS. Some of them are very underinvestigated...particularly for instance: George Herbert Walker Bush J. D. Tippit Roscoe White I have reason to believe that Roscoe was much more involved than what is generally known. I think he was CIA, and placed on the DPD to do certain assignments related to framing LHO. I believe Tippit's activities and death are a key to what really happened. If we knew WHAT REALLY HAPPENED at Tenth and Patton, we might understand the plot. I believe Bush Elder was involved, but he has always been in a position to keep everything hidden. The people behind GHWB are the people behind the plot. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operativesof varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead them to happily kill Jack. Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close friends or family members. I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%). I find this resolution in the following: THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock BROTHERS, by David Talbot Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes): -LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON -J. EDGAR HOOVER -WILLIAM K. HARVEY -DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS -DAVID MORALES -E. HOWARD HUNT -FRANK STURGIS -GERRY P. HEMMING -ED LANDSDALE -EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER -GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY -JOSEPH MILTEER -HL HUNT -NELSON BUNKER HUNT -BOBBY BAKER -JACK RUBY -DAVID FERRIE -CLAY SHAW -GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH -EMERY ROBERTS -JOHNNY ROSELLI -JIMMY HOFFA -RAY HARGRAVES -PENTAGON -CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES -FBI -DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT -JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY -SECRET SERVICE Possible perps: -Clint Murchison -Richard Nixon -John Rousselot -J.D. Tippit -Roscoe White -Cord Meyer -James Angleton -William Pawley -John McCloy -Allen Dulles -Earle Cabell -SA Kellerman -SA Greer -Lamar Hunt -Jesse Curry -Bill Decker -Carlos Marcello -Charles Nicoletti -Sam Giancana -Eugene Hale Brading -Ted Shackley -Lucien E. Conein -Alfredo Duran -Rip Robertson -John O'Hare -Danny Arce -Boris Pash -Orlando Bosch (I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.) ...The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba. A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the patsy was captured alive. How come they couldn't go ahead and blame Cuba & invade after Ruby killed Oswald? In spite of having to log in again just to send a message... EXCELLENT LIST OF PERPS. Indeed. Interesting how we all come up with the same names. There are going to be minor variations on the list -- I'd include the back-up patsies E. Howard Hunt, Charles Harrelson, Jack Lawrence. If I say it once, I'll say it again -- the biggest mystery in the JFK case is why we should consider it a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operativesof varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead them to happily kill Jack. Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close friends or family members. I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%). I find this resolution in the following: THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock BROTHERS, by David Talbot Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes): -LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON -J. EDGAR HOOVER -WILLIAM K. HARVEY -DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS -DAVID MORALES -E. HOWARD HUNT -FRANK STURGIS -GERRY P. HEMMING -ED LANDSDALE -EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER -GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY -JOSEPH MILTEER -HL HUNT -NELSON BUNKER HUNT -BOBBY BAKER -JACK RUBY -DAVID FERRIE -CLAY SHAW -GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH -EMERY ROBERTS -JOHNNY ROSELLI -JIMMY HOFFA -RAY HARGRAVES -PENTAGON -CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES -FBI -DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT -JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY -SECRET SERVICE Possible perps: -Clint Murchison -Richard Nixon -John Rousselot -J.D. Tippit -Roscoe White -Cord Meyer -James Angleton -William Pawley -John McCloy -Allen Dulles -Earle Cabell -SA Kellerman -SA Greer -Lamar Hunt -Jesse Curry -Bill Decker -Carlos Marcello -Charles Nicoletti -Sam Giancana -Eugene Hale Brading -Ted Shackley -Lucien E. Conein -Alfredo Duran -Rip Robertson -John O'Hare -Danny Arce -Boris Pash -Orlando Bosch (I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.) ...The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba. A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the patsy was captured alive. How come they couldn't go ahead and blame Cuba & invade after Ruby killed Oswald? In spite of having to log in again just to send a message... EXCELLENT LIST OF PERPS. Indeed. Interesting how we all come up with the same names. There are going to be minor variations on the list -- I'd include the back-up patsies E. Howard Hunt, Charles Harrelson, Jack Lawrence. ... Harrelson, of course. Should be on the list. So you think he was patsy fodder eh Cliff? Jack Lawrence is new to me so I'm reading about him at Spartacus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 EXCELLENT LIST OF PERPS. Indeed. Interesting how we all come up with the same names.There are going to be minor variations on the list -- I'd include the back-up patsies E. Howard Hunt, Charles Harrelson, Jack Lawrence. ... Harrelson, of course. Should be on the list.So you think he was patsy fodder eh Cliff? Jack Lawrence is new to me so I'm reading about him at Spartacus. I think Charles Harrelson was a career patsy. Went to prison for a crime he didn't commit. I think the plotters allowed for a contingency wherein JFK's murder was to be blamed on the John Birch Society, and I'd speculate Harrelson was sheep-dipped to play the part of a right wing killer, just as Oswald was framed as an agent of Fidel. However, the afternoon of 11/22/63, the "official" decision was one lone nut and three shots. I think this photograph captures the moment "Ed Lansdale" signaled to E. Howard Hunt that all was well, in spite of the police escort. Note that Old Tramp approaches the man Gen. Victor Krulak fingers as Ed Lansdale totally hidden behind the short tramp. http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/LastScan58.jpg http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html Like Harrelson, E. Howard Hunt was groomed to take the fall for something eventually. Not only did Everett do time for Watergate, it appears he lost his wife as part of the bargain as well. If the JFK assassination had gone seriously awry and somebody at CIA had to go down -- it would have been Howard. Didn't Nixon pin the JFK assassination on him, essentially? "Bad for Hunt, bad for the CIA, bad for the country"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Is "Lansdale" wearing eyeglasses? I think so; with this in mind, can we look closely at as my post-shooting DP photos as possible in the effort to find this person before and/or after the tramp photo? Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 EXCELLENT LIST OF PERPS. Indeed. Interesting how we all come up with the same names.There are going to be minor variations on the list -- I'd include the back-up patsies E. Howard Hunt, Charles Harrelson, Jack Lawrence. ... Harrelson, of course. Should be on the list.So you think he was patsy fodder eh Cliff? Jack Lawrence is new to me so I'm reading about him at Spartacus. I think Charles Harrelson was a career patsy. Went to prison for a crime he didn't commit. I think the plotters allowed for a contingency wherein JFK's murder was to be blamed on the John Birch Society, and I'd speculate Harrelson was sheep-dipped to play the part of a right wing killer, just as Oswald was framed as an agent of Fidel. However, the afternoon of 11/22/63, the "official" decision was one lone nut and three shots. I think this photograph captures the moment "Ed Lansdale" signaled to E. Howard Hunt that all was well, in spite of the police escort. Note that Old Tramp approaches the man Gen. Victor Krulak fingers as Ed Lansdale totally hidden behind the short tramp. http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/LastScan58.jpg http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html Like Harrelson, E. Howard Hunt was groomed to take the fall for something eventually. Not only did Everett do time for Watergate, it appears he lost his wife as part of the bargain as well. If the JFK assassination had gone seriously awry and somebody at CIA had to go down -- it would have been Howard. Didn't Nixon pin the JFK assassination on him, essentially? "Bad for Hunt, bad for the CIA, bad for the country"... Thanks for sharing your thoughts Cliff. The subject of patsies is a really interesting one to me, and one that I think is under researched (aside from Lee Oswald of course). Given that the murder was first planned for Chicago and then Miami, there obviously had to be patsies for those cities. In fact I think I recall reading the Chicago patsy's name recently, maybe here... argh. Don't remember. But given how complex and long-term the Oswald frame was, patsy processing for the various patsy candidates around the country (world?) must have been a huge operation. And that's just for the JFK murder. Then there were the patsies for RFK, MLK, John Lennon, George Wallace, etc. It seems like patsies were a mix of CIA employees and non-CIA, MKULTRA and non-MK-ULTRA, for example: CIA, non-MKULTRA: Oswald CIA?, MKULTRA: Mark David Chapman Non-CIA, MKULTRA: Sirhan Non-CIA, non-MKULTRA: James Earl Ray Then again I think the FBI took the lead on the MLK and Malcolm X murders so they probably didn't have access to the CIA MKULTRA tool. And the Malcolm X murder had a very different MO; the FBI infiltrated his bodyguards I believe. Tho' some chump did go to prison ultimately. So you think the right wing patsies were plan B, huh? I would think so because having a left wing patsy suits the perps agenda much better, ideally giving them an excuse to invade Cuba and further demonize Commies (i.e., labor unions). In fact I'd think they'd be very reluctant to use a right wing patsy and waste such a golden opportunity. The John Birch Society is yet another interesting subject. I consider them guilty as a group. And many individual members are guilty for sure IMO: HL Hunt, Nelson Bunker Hunt, Edwin Walker. Then again again, a patsy is not necessarily innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Just ask Ms. Kensit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Just ask Ms. Kensit. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 (edited) Sorry. Patsy Kensit. Brit actress. Played Daisy Buchanan's daughter in the Coppola Gatsby, Mel Gibson's love interest in the second Lethal Weapon, and a bisexual killer in How's Your Father (or something). My attempt at a little joke ... a mini haha, so to speak. Charles Edited June 24, 2007 by Charles Drago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 EXCELLENT LIST OF PERPS. Indeed. Interesting how we all come up with the same names.There are going to be minor variations on the list -- I'd include the back-up patsies E. Howard Hunt, Charles Harrelson, Jack Lawrence. ... Harrelson, of course. Should be on the list.So you think he was patsy fodder eh Cliff? Jack Lawrence is new to me so I'm reading about him at Spartacus. I think Charles Harrelson was a career patsy. Went to prison for a crime he didn't commit. I think the plotters allowed for a contingency wherein JFK's murder was to be blamed on the John Birch Society, and I'd speculate Harrelson was sheep-dipped to play the part of a right wing killer, just as Oswald was framed as an agent of Fidel. However, the afternoon of 11/22/63, the "official" decision was one lone nut and three shots. I think this photograph captures the moment "Ed Lansdale" signaled to E. Howard Hunt that all was well, in spite of the police escort. Note that Old Tramp approaches the man Gen. Victor Krulak fingers as Ed Lansdale totally hidden behind the short tramp. http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/LastScan58.jpg http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html Like Harrelson, E. Howard Hunt was groomed to take the fall for something eventually. Not only did Everett do time for Watergate, it appears he lost his wife as part of the bargain as well. If the JFK assassination had gone seriously awry and somebody at CIA had to go down -- it would have been Howard. Didn't Nixon pin the JFK assassination on him, essentially? "Bad for Hunt, bad for the CIA, bad for the country"... Thanks for sharing your thoughts Cliff. The subject of patsies is a really interesting one to me, and one that I think is under researched (aside from Lee Oswald of course). Given that the murder was first planned for Chicago and then Miami, there obviously had to be patsies for those cities. In fact I think I recall reading the Chicago patsy's name recently, maybe here... argh. Don't remember. But given how complex and long-term the Oswald frame was, patsy processing for the various patsy candidates around the country (world?) must have been a huge operation. And that's just for the JFK murder. Then there were the patsies for RFK, MLK, John Lennon, George Wallace, etc. It seems like patsies were a mix of CIA employees and non-CIA, MKULTRA and non-MK-ULTRA, for example: CIA, non-MKULTRA: Oswald CIA?, MKULTRA: Mark David Chapman Non-CIA, MKULTRA: Sirhan Non-CIA, non-MKULTRA: James Earl Ray Then again I think the FBI took the lead on the MLK and Malcolm X murders so they probably didn't have access to the CIA MKULTRA tool. And the Malcolm X murder had a very different MO; the FBI infiltrated his bodyguards I believe. Tho' some chump did go to prison ultimately. So you think the right wing patsies were plan B, huh? More like Plan C. Plan A -- frame Oswald as an agent of Fidel. Plan B -- frame Oswald as a Lone Nut Plan C -- blame the John Birch Society. When Nixon called Hoover late that afternoon, Nixon asked, "Was it the right wing nuts?" Jack Ruby also went on and on about the John Birch Society in his Warren Comm. interview. I would think so because having a left wing patsy suits the perps agenda much better, ideally giving them an excuse to invade Cuba and further demonize Commies (i.e., labor unions). In fact I'd think they'd be very reluctant to use a right wing patsy and waste such a golden opportunity.The John Birch Society is yet another interesting subject. I consider them guilty as a group. And many individual members are guilty for sure IMO: HL Hunt, Nelson Bunker Hunt, Edwin Walker. Then again again, a patsy is not necessarily innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 (edited) http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...piracy_Believer Good one, Gaeton. Now, if we can get everyone to respond to Bugliosi's bs, maybe we can get a few media types to take notice. "Good one, Gaeton"...?? Fonzi demolished your T1 back wound theory, Pat. Did you miss his observation of "tightly tailored clothing"? JFK wore slender-cut European style suits -- his tucked in shirt only needed a fraction of an inch of slack for him to look good and move comfortably. This is what Fonzi demonstrated to Arlen Specter back in 1966. Like Arlen, you ignore this evidence, Pat. In fact, you put the back wound in the exact same place Bugliosi does. No where in RECLAIMING HISTORY does Bugliosi refer to it as a neck wound -- always "upper back," i.e. T1. You and Bugliosi pimp the same bs, Pat. Good one, Gaeton, indeed. Edited June 25, 2007 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 EXCELLENT LIST OF PERPS. Indeed. Interesting how we all come up with the same names.There are going to be minor variations on the list -- I'd include the back-up patsies E. Howard Hunt, Charles Harrelson, Jack Lawrence. ... Harrelson, of course. Should be on the list.So you think he was patsy fodder eh Cliff? Jack Lawrence is new to me so I'm reading about him at Spartacus. I think Charles Harrelson was a career patsy. Went to prison for a crime he didn't commit. I think the plotters allowed for a contingency wherein JFK's murder was to be blamed on the John Birch Society, and I'd speculate Harrelson was sheep-dipped to play the part of a right wing killer, just as Oswald was framed as an agent of Fidel. However, the afternoon of 11/22/63, the "official" decision was one lone nut and three shots. I think this photograph captures the moment "Ed Lansdale" signaled to E. Howard Hunt that all was well, in spite of the police escort. Note that Old Tramp approaches the man Gen. Victor Krulak fingers as Ed Lansdale totally hidden behind the short tramp. http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/LastScan58.jpg http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html Like Harrelson, E. Howard Hunt was groomed to take the fall for something eventually. Not only did Everett do time for Watergate, it appears he lost his wife as part of the bargain as well. If the JFK assassination had gone seriously awry and somebody at CIA had to go down -- it would have been Howard. Didn't Nixon pin the JFK assassination on him, essentially? "Bad for Hunt, bad for the CIA, bad for the country"... Thanks for sharing your thoughts Cliff. The subject of patsies is a really interesting one to me, and one that I think is under researched (aside from Lee Oswald of course). Given that the murder was first planned for Chicago and then Miami, there obviously had to be patsies for those cities. In fact I think I recall reading the Chicago patsy's name recently, maybe here... argh. Don't remember. But given how complex and long-term the Oswald frame was, patsy processing for the various patsy candidates around the country (world?) must have been a huge operation. And that's just for the JFK murder. Then there were the patsies for RFK, MLK, John Lennon, George Wallace, etc. It seems like patsies were a mix of CIA employees and non-CIA, MKULTRA and non-MK-ULTRA, for example: CIA, non-MKULTRA: Oswald CIA?, MKULTRA: Mark David Chapman Non-CIA, MKULTRA: Sirhan Non-CIA, non-MKULTRA: James Earl Ray Then again I think the FBI took the lead on the MLK and Malcolm X murders so they probably didn't have access to the CIA MKULTRA tool. And the Malcolm X murder had a very different MO; the FBI infiltrated his bodyguards I believe. Tho' some chump did go to prison ultimately. So you think the right wing patsies were plan B, huh? More like Plan C. Plan A -- frame Oswald as an agent of Fidel. Plan B -- frame Oswald as a Lone Nut Plan C -- blame the John Birch Society. When Nixon called Hoover late that afternoon, Nixon asked, "Was it the right wing nuts?" Jack Ruby also went on and on about the John Birch Society in his Warren Comm. interview. I tend to think Ruby was telling the truth to the Warren Commission Cliff, not that they wanted to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 (edited) I tend to think Ruby was telling the truth to the Warren Commission Cliff, not that they wanted to hear it. Ruby was telling as much of the truth as he could and still avoid dying in jail...oops! He talked too much, mayhaps... Myra, a book I'd recommend for you is the James Ellroy novel, AMERICAN TABLOID. I don't buy into Ellroy's vision of the assassination itself (limited "rogue" CIA involvement), but he captures a terrific sense of the sheer treachery at work between mobsters, anti-Castro operatives, right wing zealots, crooked Feds. A good member of the John Birch Society like H. L. Hunt wouldn't think twice about framing up any number of right-wing riflemen as patsies if he thought it would help protect his interests. Edited June 25, 2007 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I tend to think Ruby was telling the truth to the Warren Commission Cliff, not that they wanted to hear it. Ruby was telling as much of the truth as he could and still avoid dying in jail...oops! He talked too much, mayhaps... Myra, a book I'd recommend for you is the James Ellroy novel, AMERICAN TABLOID. ... Thanks for the recommendation Cliff; I'll check it out. ...A good member of the John Birch Society like H. L. Hunt wouldn't think twice about framing up any number of right-wing riflemen as patsies if he thought it would help protect his interests. It seem like every list of suspects/perps should include HL Hunt. But not every list I see here does. Don't understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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