Jump to content
The Education Forum

Gaeton Fonzi Response to Bugliosi


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 39
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

1600 pages and Bugliosi never attempts to reconcile the

Single Bullet Theory with the location of the bullet holes

in JFK's clothes.

Fonzi knows that the clothing evidence is the Achilles Heel of the LN.

He'd destroy Bugliosi in any debate.

Go Fonzi! Go!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1600 pages and Bugliosi never attempts to reconcile the

Single Bullet Theory with the location of the bullet holes

in JFK's clothes.

Fonzi knows that the clothing evidence is the Achilles Heel of the LN.

He'd destroy Bugliosi in any debate.

Go Fonzi! Go!

The clothing evidence and the body itself.

Even the post mortem plastic surgery couldn't obliterate the fact of the back and neck wounds.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1600 pages and Bugliosi never attempts to reconcile the

Single Bullet Theory with the location of the bullet holes

in JFK's clothes.

Fonzi knows that the clothing evidence is the Achilles Heel of the LN.

He'd destroy Bugliosi in any debate.

Go Fonzi! Go!

The clothing evidence and the body itself.

Even the post mortem plastic surgery couldn't obliterate the fact of the back and neck wounds.

And the body itself.

Thank you, Myra.

I find the case simple to trace.

Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operatives

of varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead

them to happily kill Jack.

Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close

friends or family members.

I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%).

I find this resolution in the following:

THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi

BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight

SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock

BROTHERS, by David Talbot

Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html

The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag

attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba.

A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary

objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the

patsy was captured alive.

IOW, the biggest mystery left this case -- even bigger than the names of the

shooters -- is why we should continue to regard the JFK assassination as a

mystery at all.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operatives

of varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead

them to happily kill Jack.

Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close

friends or family members.

I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%).

I find this resolution in the following:

THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi

BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight

SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock

BROTHERS, by David Talbot

Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html

A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes):

-LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON

-J. EDGAR HOOVER

-WILLIAM K. HARVEY

-DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS

-DAVID MORALES

-E. HOWARD HUNT

-FRANK STURGIS

-GERRY P. HEMMING

-ED LANDSDALE

-EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER

-GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY

-JOSEPH MILTEER

-HL HUNT

-NELSON BUNKER HUNT

-BOBBY BAKER

-JACK RUBY

-DAVID FERRIE

-CLAY SHAW

-GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

-EMERY ROBERTS

-JOHNNY ROSELLI

-JIMMY HOFFA

-RAY HARGRAVES

-PENTAGON

-CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES

-FBI

-DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT

-JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY

-SECRET SERVICE

Possible perps:

-Clint Murchison

-Richard Nixon

-John Rousselot

-J.D. Tippit

-Roscoe White

-Cord Meyer

-James Angleton

-William Pawley

-John McCloy

-Allen Dulles

-Earle Cabell

-SA Kellerman

-SA Greer

-Lamar Hunt

-Jesse Curry

-Bill Decker

-Carlos Marcello

-Charles Nicoletti

-Sam Giancana

-Eugene Hale Brading

-Ted Shackley

-Lucien E. Conein

-Alfredo Duran

-Rip Robertson

-John O'Hare

-Danny Arce

-Boris Pash

-Orlando Bosch

(I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.)

...

The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag

attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba.

A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary

objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the

patsy was captured alive.

How come they couldn't go ahead and blame Cuba & invade after Ruby killed Oswald?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes):

-LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON

-J. EDGAR HOOVER

-WILLIAM K. HARVEY

-DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS

-DAVID MORALES

-E. HOWARD HUNT

-FRANK STURGIS

-GERRY P. HEMMING

-ED LANDSDALE

-EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER

-GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY

-JOSEPH MILTEER

-HL HUNT

-NELSON BUNKER HUNT

-BOBBY BAKER

-JACK RUBY

-DAVID FERRIE

-CLAY SHAW

-GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

-EMERY ROBERTS

-JOHNNY ROSELLI

-JIMMY HOFFA

-RAY HARGRAVES

-PENTAGON

-CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES

-FBI

-DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT

-JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY

-SECRET SERVICE

Possible perps:

-Clint Murchison

-Richard Nixon

-John Rousselot

-J.D. Tippit

-Roscoe White

-Cord Meyer

-James Angleton

-William Pawley

-John McCloy

-Allen Dulles

-Earle Cabell

-SA Kellerman

-SA Greer

-Lamar Hunt

-Jesse Curry

-Bill Decker

-Carlos Marcello

-Charles Nicoletti

-Sam Giancana

-Eugene Hale Brading

-Ted Shackley

-Lucien E. Conein

-Alfredo Duran

-Rip Robertson

-John O'Hare

-Danny Arce

-Boris Pash

-Orlando Bosch

(I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.)

You have missed it Carl E. Jenkins, Chi Chi Quintero and Irving Davidson.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes):

-LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON

-J. EDGAR HOOVER

-WILLIAM K. HARVEY

-DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS

-DAVID MORALES

-E. HOWARD HUNT

-FRANK STURGIS

-GERRY P. HEMMING

-ED LANDSDALE

-EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER

-GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY

-JOSEPH MILTEER

-HL HUNT

-NELSON BUNKER HUNT

-BOBBY BAKER

-JACK RUBY

-DAVID FERRIE

-CLAY SHAW

-GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

-EMERY ROBERTS

-JOHNNY ROSELLI

-JIMMY HOFFA

-RAY HARGRAVES

-PENTAGON

-CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES

-FBI

-DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT

-JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY

-SECRET SERVICE

Possible perps:

-Clint Murchison

-Richard Nixon

-John Rousselot

-J.D. Tippit

-Roscoe White

-Cord Meyer

-James Angleton

-William Pawley

-John McCloy

-Allen Dulles

-Earle Cabell

-SA Kellerman

-SA Greer

-Lamar Hunt

-Jesse Curry

-Bill Decker

-Carlos Marcello

-Charles Nicoletti

-Sam Giancana

-Eugene Hale Brading

-Ted Shackley

-Lucien E. Conein

-Alfredo Duran

-Rip Robertson

-John O'Hare

-Danny Arce

-Boris Pash

-Orlando Bosch

(I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.)

You have missed it Carl E. Jenkins, Chi Chi Quintero and Irving Davidson.

Thanks John.

Are those names are in addition to the ones I listed, or instead of the ones I listed?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks John.

Are those names are in addition to the ones I listed, or instead of the ones I listed?

My list of those involved in the plot would include the following:

David Sanchez Morales

Rip Robertison

Ted Shackley

Carl E. Jenkins

Chi Chi Quintero

Herminio Diaz Garcia

Tony Cuesta

Irving Davidson

John Martino

William Pawley

Bernardo De Torres

Eladio del Valle

Steve Wilson

David Atlee Phillips

Felipe Vidal Santiago

Robert Emmett Johnson

Gerry P. Hemming

Henry Hecksher

Roy Hargraves

Tony Cuesta

Ed Collins

Ted Shackley

Some of these people only had small roles such as moving weapons and money to the right people. Three of these men are still alive (Jenkins, Davidson and Hemming).

I have biographies of them all here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Gary Loughran
Thanks John.

Are those names are in addition to the ones I listed, or instead of the ones I listed?

My list of those involved in the plot would include the following:

David Sanchez Morales

Rip Robertison

Ted Shackley

Carl E. Jenkins

Chi Chi Quintero

Herminio Diaz Garcia

Tony Cuesta

Irving Davidson

John Martino

William Pawley

Bernardo De Torres

Eladio del Valle

Steve Wilson

David Atlee Phillips

Felipe Vidal Santiago

Robert Emmett Johnson

Gerry P. Hemming

Henry Hecksher

Roy Hargraves

Tony Cuesta

Ed Collins

Ted Shackley

Some of these people only had small roles such as moving weapons and money to the right people. Three of these men are still alive (Jenkins, Davidson and Hemming).

I have biographies of them all here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm

Ted Shackley, so bad you named him twice :)

Rosselli, Trafficante, Izquierdo, Tony Po???

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks John.

Are those names are in addition to the ones I listed, or instead of the ones I listed?

My list of those involved in the plot would include the following:

David Sanchez Morales

Rip Robertison

Ted Shackley

Carl E. Jenkins

Chi Chi Quintero

Herminio Diaz Garcia

Tony Cuesta

Irving Davidson

John Martino

William Pawley

Bernardo De Torres

Eladio del Valle

Steve Wilson

David Atlee Phillips

Felipe Vidal Santiago

Robert Emmett Johnson

Gerry P. Hemming

Henry Hecksher

Roy Hargraves

Tony Cuesta

Ed Collins

Ted Shackley

Some of these people only had small roles such as moving weapons and money to the right people. Three of these men are still alive (Jenkins, Davidson and Hemming).

I have biographies of them all here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm

Thanks John.

Some of the names are new to me so I need to read up.

I do think the plot was wider than just the CIA/mob, so I'm also focusing on the right wing nutter faction and the pentagon--much overlap there of course.

And the Dallas police, secret service.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operatives

of varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead

them to happily kill Jack.

Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close

friends or family members.

I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%).

I find this resolution in the following:

THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi

BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight

SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock

BROTHERS, by David Talbot

Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html

A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes):

-LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON

-J. EDGAR HOOVER

-WILLIAM K. HARVEY

-DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS

-DAVID MORALES

-E. HOWARD HUNT

-FRANK STURGIS

-GERRY P. HEMMING

-ED LANDSDALE

-EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER

-GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY

-JOSEPH MILTEER

-HL HUNT

-NELSON BUNKER HUNT

-BOBBY BAKER

-JACK RUBY

-DAVID FERRIE

-CLAY SHAW

-GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

-EMERY ROBERTS

-JOHNNY ROSELLI

-JIMMY HOFFA

-RAY HARGRAVES

-PENTAGON

-CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES

-FBI

-DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT

-JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY

-SECRET SERVICE

Possible perps:

-Clint Murchison

-Richard Nixon

-John Rousselot

-J.D. Tippit

-Roscoe White

-Cord Meyer

-James Angleton

-William Pawley

-John McCloy

-Allen Dulles

-Earle Cabell

-SA Kellerman

-SA Greer

-Lamar Hunt

-Jesse Curry

-Bill Decker

-Carlos Marcello

-Charles Nicoletti

-Sam Giancana

-Eugene Hale Brading

-Ted Shackley

-Lucien E. Conein

-Alfredo Duran

-Rip Robertson

-John O'Hare

-Danny Arce

-Boris Pash

-Orlando Bosch

(I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.)

...

The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag

attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba.

A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary

objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the

patsy was captured alive.

How come they couldn't go ahead and blame Cuba & invade after Ruby killed Oswald?

Using a mobster to silence the innocence-proclaiming patsy put a gaping

hole in the frame job.

A memo from then-CJCS Lemnitzer in Feb. '62 establishes the critera the

super-hawks needed to meet for framing a successful pre-text to invade Cuba.

This is in reference to Operation Dirty Tricks, a contingency plan developed

by the Joint Chiefs to take advantage of John Glenn's 1962 flight should it

have exploded.

The objective is to provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURY

manned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba

[sic]....This to be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of

evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the

Cubans.

Operation Dirty Tricks came and went, so the Chiefs liked the

idea of mounting a false flag attack on Americans on American soil

(Operation Northwoods) -- and there had to be "irrevocable proof"

that the fault lay at the feet of Castro.

Had Oswald been shot the early afternoon of 11/22/63, he could have

been readily presented to the world as a Castro agent.

The FBI, the CIA, and military intel had the frame set. Oswald in Russia,

Cuba, Soviet and Cuban Embassies in Mexico City.

According to one account, Carlo Gambino blamed the CIA for

'Screwing up the Cuba thing. Screwing up the Kennedy thing."

I'd take that to mean the CIA had the ultimate responsibility to see

the frame through with Oswald's early demise -- and something went

awry.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...