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Cliff Varnell

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  1. Impeccable! Here's Myers, emphasis added: http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/concl2.htm The President's clothing confirmed the path of the bullet: a small hole in the back of his suit coat (threads pushed inward) approximately 5.3 inches below the top of the collar and 1.96 inches to the right of the middle seam (7HSCA83), a corresponding hole in the President's shirt located 5.75 inches below the collar and 1.3 inches to the right of the midline (CD205, p.153-54) (photographs taken seconds before the shooting show the suit coat had shifted upward on the President's back, accounting for the discrepancy between the wounds in the body and the holes in the clothing), a slit-like bullet hole in the front of the shirt (threads pushed outward), and a tear on the left side of the tie knot where the exiting bullet grazed the tie knot. (ARRB MD28) </q> The bullet hole in the shirt is 4" below the bottom of the collar; the defect in the jacket 4 &1/8" below the bottom of the collar. The jacket was elevated 1/8". Elm St photos show JFK with a normal amount of shirt collar visible at the back of his neck, indicating the bottom of the jacket collar was in a normal position just above the base of his neck. Can Myers or any of the other LN cultists replicate 2+" of shirt and 2+" of jacket elevated entirely above the top of the back without pushing up on the jacket collar right above the base of the neck? Isn't such a claim utterly, obviously idiotic? Anyone afflicted with that degree of confirmation bias is a danger only to themselves.
  2. Allen and John Foster Dulles were Harriman's lawyers before they went into Gov't., according to Rudy Abramson's biography of Harriman Spanning the Century.
  3. The place to start with that imho is the fact that Prescott and George HW Bush were proteges of W. Averell Harriman, as were Robert Lovett, McGeorge Bundy, and Richard Bissell. They all got their starts with Harriman projects: Lovett and Prescott with Union Bank, GHWB with Dresser Industries, Bissell and Bundy on the Harriman-run Marshall Plan.
  4. Allen Dulles knowingly set up the daughter-in-law of his girlfriend Mary Bancroft's close friend Ruth Paine? Which is why I think these guys were assigned to the cover-up, the course of which was determined by the fate of Lee Harvey Oswald. The architects of the Oswald Assassination didn't need to know that much about the Kennedy Assassination other than time and place. Neither Lansdale nor Phillips had ever planned the ambush of a slow moving, well armed caravan, had they? On paper, the man for that job would have been AMWORLD's Carl Jenkins, who had trained the Thai Border Police how to interdict slow moving, well armed opium caravans (and taught the Kuomintang how to protect their opium caravans from interdiction.) https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_The_Wheaton_Lead.html Before the CIA tapped Bill Harvey for ZRRIFLE they offered the assassin-wrangler gig to Charles Siragusa of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Siragusa turned them down. He continued as a liaison between the FBN and CIA while also working with the CIA Technical Services Division -- the same outfit who had civilians working for the US Army develop blood soluble paralytics and toxins used under cover by the CIA. On paper, Siragusa would have been the best man to put together a shooter team. He wouldn't have necessarily known who it was for.
  5. Opium and the Indonesian Revolution https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248690366_Opium_and_the_Indonesian_Revolution
  6. No law had been broken. It isn't against the law to use a private server, although it might leave one more vulnerable to hacking. The GOP successfully ginned up the optics of corruption where none existed. It's pretty straightforward. Clinton was demonized the way Saddam, Khadafy, Diem, or Noriega were demonized prior to regime change. You're doing fine. I'm of the view Trump 2020 can't be understood outside Trump 2016. He used the same media strategy -- flood the airwaves with fresh daily outrage, thrill his supporters by pissing everyone else off. Comparing the media coverage of Biden 2020 and Trump 2020 isn't apples-to-apples. It isn't apples-to-oranges. It's more like apples-to-dumpster-fires. '68 was a toss-up. This is Bernie Sanders on Oct.13, 2015: "The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails!" I'll admit that it's a very good thing that Iran didn't fall for Trump's gambit and go to war. As far as saving lives go -- Trump's response to the covid killed hundreds of thousands. Which is why I suspect the Deep State installed him, knowing he'd make the Plandemic worse rather than better. And he's projecting his own snowflake nature. Snowflakes get triggered into thinking there's a cabal of pedophile cannibals operating out of a pizzeria basement. A lot of right wing snowflakes in the world. I've never found that waving a gun around makes a guy tough. The right wing lost it's mind when Obama wore a tan suit. Recently they lost their mind when Biden wore a mask on a Zoom call. Last year there were over 10,000 peaceful George Floyd protests, marching against police violence. On 1/6 triggered Trumpers sacked the Capitol Building over nothing. Out of that dozen girls how many were "feminist types"? All of them? Half of them? I'll guess half which means when it comes to being overly politically correct it's only one out of seven feminist girls. 6 to 1 has always been good odds. I can't remember many threads that didn't veer off-topic. It's no thing.
  7. Post the links and we'll go from there. Getting bent out of shape over a guy reading from notes at press conference is what I call a snowflake. Most right wingers are snowflakes. They get triggered by the most mundane things. Oh really? What tune did the Mighty Wurlitzer play over the last 11 days of the 2016 election? Hillary E-mails exclusively for 11 days. I thought you were a media expert. What tune did the Mighty Wurlitzer play over the last 11 days of the 2016 election? Hillary E-mails exclusively for 11 days. That's true for you maybe but I binge-watched 3-4 thousand hours of cable news coverage in 2015-6 -- and I know what tune the Mighty Wurlitzer plays when they're out to get someone. How many news cycles did the Russia-hacked-the-DNC story make over the last 5 months of the '16 campaign? Two, but nothing over the last 70 days. How many news cycles did the Steele Dossier get leading up to the election? Zero. His father played a large part in his career and early Presidency. They knew the e-mails were duplicates. Nothing. Comey openly slanted the field of the 2016 election. Okay, that'll work.
  8. C - You brought it up. Go ahead and do the research and we can discuss it. You didn't think you were issuing a homework assignment, did you? I could only take the guy for 3 minutes. All the eye-bugging and air quoting because Biden brought notes to a press conference. Typical snowflake behavior. Chris, how much US cable news have you watched over the past 6 years? The overwhelming reason Trump got bad press was because he said and did bad things in order to dominate every news cycle for 5 and a half years. He wanted to keep over half the country in a constant state of outrage. Not so fast. That's all you have to say about Trump's installation in the White House? Why do you suppose the Deep State wanted Trump in the White House instead of their girl Hill? It's one thing to have blackmail material and it's another making it the focus of the cable news cycle for 11 straight days. In the case of Hillary, it was e-mails the FBI had already reviewed. You aren't addressing that question to me, I hope.
  9. I'm looking forward to your research in this area. Keeping Iran from getting a nuke for at least 15 years was a bad deal? What about Obama's famous "red line" in Syria in 2013? Assad was accused of gassing his own people and Obama said we couldn't let him cross that red line but before US troops were committed Obama threw it over to Congress where the military option was voted down. Obama then negotiated with Putin to remove 93% of Syria's chem warfare capability. Biden must have learned his lesson if he opposed the Libya intervention. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/joe-biden-libya-wrong-224595 Okay, Chris, now we are at the heart of our main disagreement. Trump brought all of his troubles on himself by being a transparently fascist hyper-narcissist. Trump's genius was to turn US cable news into a reality TV Show. If one didn't watch copious amounts of the Donald J Trump Show in 2016 they really don't get American politics. On October 28, 2016 the US intel community had embarrassing material on both Clinton and Trump. They found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner the sex pervert hundreds of thousands of Hillary's e-mails because his wife was a top Clinton aide; they had the Steele Dossier with its urinating prostitutes and Russian collusion. The Hillary Clinton E-Mail Show dominated American cable news for 11 straight days, right up to election day. Nothing on TV about the Steele Dossier. That should tell you who was the preferred choice of the Deep State. I don't get it. This seems to be an incredible over-reaction to a 78-year old guy using notes. That's the big knock on Biden -- he has to use notes? Let's reject false equivalencies with the same energy we reject false dichotomies.
  10. I love bashing Trump. I love pushing back on the Big Lies he's conned people into repeating. Defense spending nearly flat-lined under Obama before Trump accelerated it. U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2019 was $731.75B, a 7.22% increase from 2018. U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2018 was $682.49B, a 5.53% increase from 2017. U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2017 was $646.75B, a 1.08% increase from 2016. U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2016 was $639.86B, a 0.95% increase from 2015. What credible links challenge anything I've pointed out about Trump's foreign policy? Trump endorsed military action in Iraq in 2002 on the Howard Stern Show. Trump repeatedly encouraged military response in Libya. He pulled out of the Iran nuke deal, put severe sanctions on Iran, assassinated their #2 leader. He aided the Saudis in their war in Yemen, increased drone strikes in Somalia and elsewhere. What credible challenge to these facts? What massive journalistic push? Behind what? I don't hold the Democrats up as paragons of virtue except when it comes to Democratic politicians like Stacey Abrams fighting to give every citizen equal access to the ballot. It's an asymetrical struggle.
  11. Chris, Trump supported the 2nd Iraq War and spoke in favor of NATO intervention in Libya. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/in-2002-donald-trump-said-he-supported-invading-iraq-on-the https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/trump-claims-he-didnt-support-libya-intervention-but-he-did Trump significantly increased military spending. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget Trump tried to goad Iran into war by dropping out of the Iran nuke accord, slapping them with crippling sanctions, and assassinating their #2 leader. Trump gave advanced weaponry to Saudi Arabia for it's genocidal campaign in Yemen. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49106989 He quadrupled civilian deaths by drone strikes in Somalia. https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-ramped-up-drone-strikes-in-americas-shadow-wars Republican politicians pass laws that make it harder for Democrats to vote. https://www.salon.com/2021/02/12/in-2021-alone-gop-introduces-100-voter-suppression-bills-in-28-states_partner/ Voter fraud is virtually non-existent. Electoral fraud is the only way Republicans can win nationally.
  12. Because contempt is the only intellectually honest response to pathological lying. Same contempt I have for Holocaust deniers. You certainly do! You and Zircoff always have. I dealt with you guys for years on usenet. I know your fake-debate routine by heart. What pablum! Both of you have spent decades ignoring the First Day Evidence. You haven't earned any one's respect. Not around here, sonny jim.
  13. What information is forthcoming from people like you and Joe Zircon who pretend inconvenient evidence doesn't exist? There is no debate. It's just nutters in denial of physical reality, among other things.
  14. The Malignant Nature of Pseudo-Debate by E. Martin Schotz Perhaps many people think that engaging in pseudo-debate is a benign activity. That it simply means that people are debating something that is irrelevant. This is not the case. I say this because every debate rests on a premise to which the debaters must agree, or there is no debate. In the case of pseudo-debate the premise is a lie. So in the pseudo-debate we have the parties to the debate agreeing to purvey a lie to the public. And it is all the more malignant because it is subtle. The unsuspecting person who is witness to the pseudo-debate does not understand that he is being passed a lie. He is not even aware that he is being passed a premise. It is so subtle that the premise just passes into the person as if it were reality. This premise—that there is uncertainly to be resolved—seems so benign. It is as easy as drinking a glass of treated water. But the fact remains that there is no mystery except in the minds of those who are willing to drink this premise. The premise is a lie, and a society which agrees to drink such a lie ceases to perceive reality. This is what we mean by mass denial. That the entire establishment has been willing to join in this process of cover-up by confusion creates an extreme form of problem for anyone who would seek to utter the truth. For these civilian institutions—the media, the universities and the government—once they begin engaging in denial of knowledge of the identity of the assassins, once they are drawn into the cover-up, a secondary motivation develops for them. Now they are not only protecting the state, they are now protecting themselves, because to expose the obviousness of the assassination and the false debate would be to reveal the corrupt role of all these institutions. And there is no question that these institutions are masters in self protection. Thus anyone who would attempt to confront the true cover-up must be prepared to confront virtually the entire society. And in doing this, one is inevitably going to be marginalized.
  15. Those aren't contemporaneous accounts -- therefore irrelevant. No, you don't understand the problem. Only the evidence that came in before the Magic Bullet can logically be weighed. CE399 taints everything that followed. I don't cite any opinions. I cite the evidence you are incapable of processing -- the bullet holes in the clothes, the contemporaneous reports of witnesses in position of authority, the verified and authenticated medical evidence, robust consensus witness statements. Good old Joe Zircon -- throw the clothing evidence in his face and he'll say it's only an opinion. It's the opinions of the medical people in the first 24 hours that count. Both the Death Certificate and the autopsy face sheet were signed off as "verified." Those are the opinions that count.
  16. He didn't say anything about "the time of the shooting" - - more Joe Zircon fiction. It's a crime to lie to the FBI.
  17. No, all I have to do is inventory them and point out the redundancy. 6.5mm FMJ don't leave shallow wounds in soft tissue so your lone nut theory is idiotic on it's face. I don't have to make a case for anything. The evidence speaks for itself. Bullet holes in JFK's clothes 4 inches below the bottom of the collars are consistent with the contemporaneous written notes on the back wound by Bennett, Burkley, Jenkins, O'Neill, Sibert and Robinson. Dr. Ronald Jones and Dr. Charles Carrico wrote contemporaneous notes describing a throat entrance wound -- consistent with the shallow back wound which was too low to associate with the throat wound. The damage in the authenticated cervical x-ray is consistent with a throat shot from the front. The First Day Evidence File stands on it's own. 56 other ear witnesses to two or four shots? Really? All you can do is cherry pick the evidence you can fake debate about while ignoring the proven fact JFK was shot from two directions.
  18. 6.5mm Full Metal Jacket rounds don't leave shallow wounds in soft tissue. You won't get any fake debate out of me, Hank, only instruction. Your inability to address anything in the First Day Evidence File other than Hosty's notes tells us everything about your intellectual bankruptcy.
  19. So? The autopsy report used a moveable cranial landmark -- the mastoid process -- for a back wound they put in two different locations: T2 (just above the upper margin of the scapula) and a location below the mastoid process consistent with C7/T1. Non-contemporaneous report which registered three different violations of autopsy protocol. You have quite the propensity to make things up. I cited the First Day Evidence of the T3 back wound -- repeatedly. This isn't a debate -- it's a tutorial for slow students. I have no idea what you're talking about --do you?
  20. First Day Evidence: The bullet holes in the clothes; the contemporaneous written reports of Dr. Jones, Dr. Carrico, SS SA Glen Bennett, FBI SAs Sibert and O'Neill, and Mortician Thomas Robinson; the verified Death Certificate filled out by Admiral Burkley; the verified autopsy face sheet filled out by James Curtis Jenkins; the authenticated cervical x-ray; the 16 eye witnesses to the T3 back wound; the 14 eye witnesses to the throat entrance wound; the 56 ear-witnesses to a "bang...bang bang" shot pattern; the Elm St. photos and film showing a normal amount of shirt collar visible at the back of JFK's neck, debunking "bunch theory." See above.
  21. The wound in Kennedy's back was shallow, therefore could not have been created by the rifle found on the 6th Floor.
  22. Before kindergarten you should have learned that the back of your neck isn't four inches below the bottom of your shirt collar. That's a lesson you still haven't learned. He said of course he was in the building because he worked there. That was the context of his statement -- he worked in that building. There you go again, taking his comment out of context. Oswald didn't deny being on the steps. You're making that up because you can't touch anything else I've written. LNers dispute the location of the back of JFK's neck. I noticed that Hosty's notes are the only item in the First Day Evidence you took exception to.
  23. So right now we're supposed to convince historians 50 years in the future? Forget theories. Just follow the highly redundant First Day Evidence Pattern. A shallow wound in the back, no bullet found in the body; an entrance wound in the throat with no exit, no bullet found. Either elements of the Secret Service and/or the military conspired to remove the bullets prior to the autopsy -- or JFK was hit with a high tech weapon similar to the blood soluble flechettes developed for the CIA by the US Army at Fort Detrick, MD. Any legitimate investigation would commence with these root facts. These are not basic questions concerning the JFK assassination. These issues bear on the cover-up of the crime, not the crime itself. Given the degree of onanistic complexity fetishism that's no big surprise.
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