Cliff Varnell

As a creative force I put Debbie Harry (Blondie) in the late 20th Century (post-1970) along with Patti Smith, Exene Cervenka (X), Penelope Houston (The Avengers), Siouxsie Sioux (Siouxsie and the Banshees), Pauline Murray (Penetration), Dolores O’Riordan (The Cranberries), Salt ‘n’ Pepa, MC Lyte, Patti LaBelle, Aretha Franklin, the A Girls in ABBA, Dolly Parton, Tina Turner, Linda Ronstadt...off the top of my head. Joan Jett probably belongs in this category but her influence on modern female rockers burns bright.

You’re asking me to prove a negative? Okay. JFK emerged from behind the Stemmons freeway sign with his fists balled in front of his throat. You claim that was unrelated to the throat shot. So what was he doing — smelling the back of his hands? From the HSCA report: Evaluation of the pre-autopsy film shows that there is some subcutaneous or interstitial air overlying the right C7 and T1 transverse processes. There is disruption of the integrity of the transverse process of T1, which, in comparison with its mate on the opposite side and also with the previously taken film, mentioned above, indicates that there has been a fracture in that area. There is some soft tissue density overlying the apex of the right lung which may be hematoma in that region or other soft tissue swelling. Evaluation of the post-autopsy film shows that there is subcutaneous or interstitial air overlying C7 and T1. The same disruption of T1 right transverse process is still present. </q> So according to your scenario this .22 round made an 180 degree turn up two inches immediately prior to exit or an 180 degree turn down two inches immediately after entrance without striking hard bone. Your claim, the burden of proof is on you.

I know a guy who used to post that with his avatar...thanks Joe!

If ever there was a thread that begged to be hijacked... My Top Ten List of Rock/Pop/R&B Goddesses Active in the 21st Century Not Named Beyoncé or Madonna (too obvious!) Alphabetical order: Brody Dalle (The Distillers), Doja Cat, Joan Jett, Karen O (Yeah Yeah Yeahs), Kathleen Hanna (Bikini Kill, Le Tigre), Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Pink, Rihanna, Shirley Manson (Garbage)

Don’t know don’t care. Years ago I asked James Gordon to model the trajectory of a bullet following the angle of T1 to C7 — it pointed directly to the damaged trachea.

Multiple shots to the head.

And this accounts for the hairline fracture at T1, the air pocket overlaying C7/T1, and JFK holding his fists in front of his throat 6 seconds before the head shot(s)? T1 is a couple of inches below the hairline. For all we know JFK may have taken three shots to the head.

Go Niners! I like Miley Cyrus way better anyway.

The hairline fracture of the right T1 transverse process could only have been caused by a throat entrance. That’s a given. We need to move beyond the obvious and deal with the root facts: (1) JFK suffered an entrance wound in the soft tissue of his back, with no exit and no bullet recovered during the autopsy. (2) He suffered a wound of entrance in the soft tissue of his throat, with no exit and no bullet recovered during autopsy. This wound pattern is inconsistent with conventional firearms. This is where I depart. I find discussion of the head wound(s) futile.

Hate to tell you, Cory — a lot of nonsense can’t be stopped.

According to Pat Speer, fourteen throat entrance wound witnesses and sixteen low back wound witnesses all got it wrong. How does that impact calculations?

This subject merits two threads?

According to Bennett, the bullet holes in the clothes, Willis 5, Betzner 6, and 55 other “bang...bang-bang” ear witnesses. So he reacted to a back shot by holding his fists in front of his throat? Other than the product of your imagination, there is no proof of this at all. His account is heavily corroborated, and was initially recorded in writing a few hours after the killing. You can produce no evidence supporting what you think. There is no way a pet theorist will get off the scenarios they’ve married.

From the official statement of Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett: About thirty minutes after leaving Love Field about 12:25 P.M., the Motorcade entered an intersection and then proceeded down a grade. At this point the well-wishers numbered but a few; the motorcade continued down this grade enroute to the Trade Mart. At this point I heard what sounded like a fire-cracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head. </q> The back shot occurred “immediately” before the head shot(s). Bennett’s account is corroborated by the location of the holes in the clothes (4 inches below the bottom of the collars, to the right of midline), Willis 5 @ Z201 (Bennett turned to the right), Altgens 6 @ Z255 (Bennett still facing right but with blurred features, indicating movement), and 55 other “bang...bang-bang” ear witnesses. Utterly absurd. A short shot traveled roughly 90 yards in swirling wind and missed the head by inches? Complete nonsense. More nonsense. Bennett’s account debunks such a scenario.

I must respectfully disagree, Sandy. In my view the Skull & Bones crew (Harriman, Bundy, Daddy Bush and his boy George) pulled the plug on the Commies-Did-It Scenario only because the designated patsy was captured and not killed.

The President Has Been Shot, Charles Roberts (p. 141) A reporter for Newsweek, Roberts was on AFI and met McGeorge Bundy at Andrews. <quote on, emphasis added> I remember looking at (McGeorge) Bundy because I was wondering if he had any word of what had happened in the world while we were in transit, whether this assassination was part of a plot. And he told me later that what he reported to the president during that flight back was that the whole world was stunned, but there was no evidence of a conspiracy at all. <quote off>

Thank you Sandy, but I need to emphasize the fact it was the autopsists who proposed this scenario with the body in front of them.

A short shot which traveled 90 yards thru swirling wind and missed the target by inches. Riiiiiiiiiiight...🥺

From his knowledge of human anatomy gained in medical school.

This again? The top of the back is never 4 inches below the bottom of anyone’s clothing collars. The claim otherwise is fallacious. Sure, as long as we have JFKA Experts like Pat Speer to micro-analyze the evidence and argue endlessly with Lone Nutters. Acknowledging the T3 back wound is hard on the Expert Class because it renders so many discussions moot.

Good to see Sandy Larsen and Ron Bulman agree with the autopsists about the possibility of a high tech hit on JFK. The resistance to this scenario has long puzzled me. It’s as if the JFKA Critical Community can’t take CIA-Conspiracy for an answer.

Check. HSCA: These densities are felt to be artifact, partly because of their marked density, because there is a similar artifact overlying the body of C7, and because these metallic-like densities were not present on the previous, pre-autopsy film. Therefore, I assume that these are screen artifacts from debris present in the cassette at the time that this film was exposed. </q> Other than the Stare-of-Death autopsy photo what’s the proof there was a “greatly enlarged tracheotomy? I’m not challenging the point, just curious. Glass shows up on x-ray. Check.

And the same with the back shot, another shallow wound in soft tissue?

No challenge of the hairline fracture of the T1 transverse process. There’s only so much smoke they could blow denying the shot from the front.