Ron Ecker Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) Candidate Dennis Kucinich was recently excluded from a Democratic debate. Now the Republicans (aka FoxNews) are excluding Ron Paul. America's one party at work. Link Edited December 31, 2007 by Ron Ecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Hall Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Candidate Dennis Kucinich was recently excluded from a Democratic debate. Now the Republicans (aka FoxNews) are excluding Ron Paul. America's one party at work.Link I agree, as long as the one party to which you refer is the lobbying industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 (edited) Judge Orders MSNBC To Allow Kucinich To DebateIn other campaign news, a Nevada judge has ordered MSNBC to include Congressman Dennis Kucinich in tonight’s Democratic debate. Kucinich sued MSNBC after it disinvited him just two days after it announced that he had met the criteria to take part in the debate. The judge said he would issue an injunction stopping the debate if Kucinich is excluded. MSNBC has announced plans to file an appeal in the case. Kucinich no longer (as if he ever had) has any chance of becoming the Dem nominee, why waste the debate time? Edited January 15, 2008 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Hall Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 NBC Rescinds Nevada Debate Invitation to KucinichDemocratic presidential contender Dennis Kucinich is considering taking legal action after NBC News rescinded an invitation for him to participate in Tuesday’s presidential debate in Nevada. On Jan. 9, NBC told Kucinich that he had met the criteria for the debate. Then less than two days later, NBC changed the criteria and declared that Kucinich no longer qualified. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Clinton Allies in Nevada Sue to Stop Caucuses in Vegas Hotels Meanwhile supporters of Hillary Clinton are being accused of trying to disenfranchise some Democratic voters in Nevada ahead of the state’s caucus on Saturday. Six Nevada Democrats and the Nevada State Education Association teachers’ union have filed a lawsuit to block the Democratic Party from holding caucuses inside Las Vegas strip hotels in order to allow casino and hotel workers a chance to take part in the caucus process. The suit was filed just days after the influential Nevada Culinary Workers’ Union endorsed Barack Obama. The teachers union has not endorsed a candidate but the union’s deputy executive director–Debbie Cahill–is a member of Clinton’s Nevada Women’s Leadership Council. Thanks for picking up on this, Peter. I certainly haven't seen anything in the news or on blogs/news aggregators yet. The mendacity of the Clintons is beyond comparison, but this is, by all means, consistent with their scorched earth history (e.g. siccing the IRS on Paula Jones, who made $20,000 per year at the time of her lawsuit against WJC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 NBC Rescinds Nevada Debate Invitation to KucinichDemocratic presidential contender Dennis Kucinich is considering taking legal action after NBC News rescinded an invitation for him to participate in Tuesday’s presidential debate in Nevada. On Jan. 9, NBC told Kucinich that he had met the criteria for the debate. Then less than two days later, NBC changed the criteria and declared that Kucinich no longer qualified. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Clinton Allies in Nevada Sue to Stop Caucuses in Vegas Hotels Meanwhile supporters of Hillary Clinton are being accused of trying to disenfranchise some Democratic voters in Nevada ahead of the state’s caucus on Saturday. Six Nevada Democrats and the Nevada State Education Association teachers’ union have filed a lawsuit to block the Democratic Party from holding caucuses inside Las Vegas strip hotels in order to allow casino and hotel workers a chance to take part in the caucus process. The suit was filed just days after the influential Nevada Culinary Workers’ Union endorsed Barack Obama. The teachers union has not endorsed a candidate but the union’s deputy executive director–Debbie Cahill–is a member of Clinton’s Nevada Women’s Leadership Council. Thanks for picking up on this, Peter. I certainly haven't seen anything in the news or on blogs/news aggregators yet. The mendacity of the Clintons is beyond comparison, but this is, by all means, consistent with their scorched earth history (e.g. siccing the IRS on Paula Jones, who made $20,000 per year at the time of her lawsuit against WJC). I've seen and read a few articles about both of these issues in the MSM. Both stories were headline stories on the online MSNBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Meredith Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Judge Orders MSNBC To Allow Kucinich To DebateIn other campaign news, a Nevada judge has ordered MSNBC to include Congressman Dennis Kucinich in tonight’s Democratic debate. Kucinich sued MSNBC after it disinvited him just two days after it announced that he had met the criteria to take part in the debate. The judge said he would issue an injunction stopping the debate if Kucinich is excluded. MSNBC has announced plans to file an appeal in the case. Kucinich no longer (as if he ever had) has any chance of becoming the Dem nominee, why waste the debate time? Ya, Craig, why even bother to hold an election at all? Dawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Judge Orders MSNBC To Allow Kucinich To DebateIn other campaign news, a Nevada judge has ordered MSNBC to include Congressman Dennis Kucinich in tonight’s Democratic debate. Kucinich sued MSNBC after it disinvited him just two days after it announced that he had met the criteria to take part in the debate. The judge said he would issue an injunction stopping the debate if Kucinich is excluded. MSNBC has announced plans to file an appeal in the case. Kucinich no longer (as if he ever had) has any chance of becoming the Dem nominee, why waste the debate time? Ya, Craig, why even bother to hold an election at all? Dawn Excuse me? The reason he's toast is because the voters don't want him. You think another debate will put him in contention? Look how well he did in Michigan .... I think the voters know exactly who he is and what he stands for and they are NOT voting for him in droves. Like it or not there comes a time to cut the wheat from the chaff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Judge Orders MSNBC To Allow Kucinich To DebateIn other campaign news, a Nevada judge has ordered MSNBC to include Congressman Dennis Kucinich in tonight’s Democratic debate. Kucinich sued MSNBC after it disinvited him just two days after it announced that he had met the criteria to take part in the debate. The judge said he would issue an injunction stopping the debate if Kucinich is excluded. MSNBC has announced plans to file an appeal in the case. Kucinich no longer (as if he ever had) has any chance of becoming the Dem nominee, why waste the debate time? Ya, Craig, why even bother to hold an election at all? Dawn Excuse me? The reason he's toast is because the voters don't want him. You think another debate will put him in contention? Look how well he did in Michigan .... I think the voters know exactly who he is and what he stands for and they are NOT voting for him in droves. Like it or not there comes a time to cut the wheat from the chaff. I see both sides of this issue. While letting low-visibility candidates participate in debates might waste time better used getting to know the other candidates, they should not be excluded until at least, say 20% of the voters have been heard from. To exclude candidates based on poor performances in New Hampshire and Iowa is RIDICULOUS. Ron Paul has, to date, received far more votes than Giuliani and Thompson. FAUX News had no business excluding him from the debate. It was shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) I see both sides of this issue. While letting low-visibility candidates participate in debates might waste time better used getting to know the other candidates, they should not be excluded until at least, say 20% of the voters have been heard from.How do you decide when that has happened? To exclude candidates based on poor performances in New Hampshire and Iowa is RIDICULOUS. Ron Paul has, to date, received far more votes than Giuliani and Thompson. FAUX News had no business excluding him from the debate. It was shameful. Actually it WAS Fox's business, it was their debate, their choice. Edited January 17, 2008 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Not being familiar with the way US elections are held.... So if someone does not get their party nomination, can they still run for President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Not being familiar with the way US elections are held....So if someone does not get their party nomination, can they still run for President? Yes, if you have the money and people needed to get your name on the ballots in the different states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Hall Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 NBC Rescinds Nevada Debate Invitation to KucinichDemocratic presidential contender Dennis Kucinich is considering taking legal action after NBC News rescinded an invitation for him to participate in Tuesday’s presidential debate in Nevada. On Jan. 9, NBC told Kucinich that he had met the criteria for the debate. Then less than two days later, NBC changed the criteria and declared that Kucinich no longer qualified. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Clinton Allies in Nevada Sue to Stop Caucuses in Vegas Hotels Meanwhile supporters of Hillary Clinton are being accused of trying to disenfranchise some Democratic voters in Nevada ahead of the state’s caucus on Saturday. Six Nevada Democrats and the Nevada State Education Association teachers’ union have filed a lawsuit to block the Democratic Party from holding caucuses inside Las Vegas strip hotels in order to allow casino and hotel workers a chance to take part in the caucus process. The suit was filed just days after the influential Nevada Culinary Workers’ Union endorsed Barack Obama. The teachers union has not endorsed a candidate but the union’s deputy executive director–Debbie Cahill–is a member of Clinton’s Nevada Women’s Leadership Council. Thanks for picking up on this, Peter. I certainly haven't seen anything in the news or on blogs/news aggregators yet. The mendacity of the Clintons is beyond comparison, but this is, by all means, consistent with their scorched earth history (e.g. siccing the IRS on Paula Jones, who made $20,000 per year at the time of her lawsuit against WJC). I've seen and read a few articles about both of these issues in the MSM. Both stories were headline stories on the online MSNBC. So have I, now, and I am happy to see the story get some traction. I didn't see Peter's source, but I try to avoid the Peacock Network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Hall Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Judge Orders MSNBC To Allow Kucinich To DebateIn other campaign news, a Nevada judge has ordered MSNBC to include Congressman Dennis Kucinich in tonight’s Democratic debate. Kucinich sued MSNBC after it disinvited him just two days after it announced that he had met the criteria to take part in the debate. The judge said he would issue an injunction stopping the debate if Kucinich is excluded. MSNBC has announced plans to file an appeal in the case. Kucinich no longer (as if he ever had) has any chance of becoming the Dem nominee, why waste the debate time? Ya, Craig, why even bother to hold an election at all? Dawn Excuse me? The reason he's toast is because the voters don't want him. You think another debate will put him in contention? Look how well he did in Michigan .... I think the voters know exactly who he is and what he stands for and they are NOT voting for him in droves. Like it or not there comes a time to cut the wheat from the chaff. I see both sides of this issue. While letting low-visibility candidates participate in debates might waste time better used getting to know the other candidates, they should not be excluded until at least, say 20% of the voters have been heard from. To exclude candidates based on poor performances in New Hampshire and Iowa is RIDICULOUS. Ron Paul has, to date, received far more votes than Giuliani and Thompson. FAUX News had no business excluding him from the debate. It was shameful. Actually, the lower visibility candidates have nothing to lose and are, as a result, more apt to give honest answers and let the chips fall where they may. The front runners are so scripted, handled and made up that they have rehearsed answers to virtually any question. In most instances, they have a planned answer, irrespective of the particulars of the question. Not so with the lower tier candidates. They don't answer to the party powers that be, top flight political consultants and lobbyists. They can say whatever they want. They certainly create more drama and can provoke the front runners to more specifically address matters that they want to avoid. A candidate who is polling at 30% is typically concerned about dropping to 20% (as Rudy (remember him?)), but a candidate polling at 3% doesn't worry about dropping to 2%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 Now Kucinich can't even get on a primary ballot. In Texas, that is, where fascism still appears to be alive and well. He is excluded from the Texas ballot for refusing to sign a loyalty oath saying that he will support whoever the Democratic Party nominates. And the Supreme Court has upheld the right of Texas to make candidates sign a loyalty oath. Who would have thunk it? http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Supre...d_01182008.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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